Why is Windows Display Scaling So Bad? 

Yep. It's why I came to watch this. I want to figure out why Windows STILL looks like 🐕💩 when compared even to "free" Linux distros like Ubuntu, Linux Mint, or KDE Plasma let alone macOS.

Yup, my windows 10 is updated and STILL has issues. Microsoft is a useless company.

@@redpillsatori3020 Fractional scaling on Linux is even worse... if only it was as good as windows. Wayland doesn't support it. Gnome doesn't support it. It only works on KDE with xorg. But then I plug in another monitor that I want with a different scale and it doesn't work...

​@@redpillsatori3020 lol that's what I like about the linux community: Being a paranoid extremist who hates everybody else if they don't use his dogpoop 0% marketshare os

So true.. literally almost 5 Years now and that issue still exists.. mind blowing

If you're using standard scaling, yes, you're right. I'm using custom scaling (125%) on my 15.6" laptop and it's actually pretty good. I don't remember when was the last time I saw a blurry window, so it's not that bad.

@@kosodrzewina3903 depends in which software you typically use though

My QHD 15.6 with recommended 250% scaling looks crisp.

@@kosodrzewina3903 lol we do the same trick

@@StankLip From what I read, your 15.6" would then be like using a 39" screen (250% scaling) and therefore, based on your resolution (QHD), the resulting PPI is just 75.31, down from 188.28 (if not scaled). So I am surprised it would be anywhere near QHD quality.

@Benji Asperheim Last time I checked Linux handled (fractional) scaling even worse. I can't comment on macOS.

@@GergiH I just watched a vid complaining about macOS either working with 110 ppi or 220ppi. The rest is done with rendering insane resolutions and downscaling, which sucks for performance. That's why I, a windows user came to this video to see whether windows is better.

Especially on Windows Forms.

@@GergiH macOS scaling is turbobad they hardcoded rasterizations

Mr IMBUS is your game resolution lower than your desktop res?

x1c3x i think its same (1080p)

no idea off the top of my head then, sry. Consider using one of those applications which save desktop icon position, until you figure it out. If you don't know what i mean, google something along the lines of "save desktop icon layout".

x1c3x thanks for help

Does win8.1 still got the "auto-arrange" option in the right click menu for the desktop? If it does, see if it is checked and try unchecking it to see if that helps.

In that case, maybe I should really get it 🤔

You know there’s a problem with your advertising when your ad takes up more of the video than the actual explanation.

What about Yogi Bear being able to properly scale between monitors ?

@@Br0adCastYourS3lf The Ranger didn't like it when he found out, Yogi.

seeing what they made by selling that fucker I ain't surprised

It actually looks really sharp... ;-)

Lol, and after he said crap about it.

Yea that’s what i was thinking, he just said it’s a terrible product and is now advertising it

Hes wearing it ironically

Well, that's a good thing. It means the watermark stays small.

O O F

Triggered

*THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL RESOLUTION*

Los Serpent gottem

*I S T H A T A M I C R O A G G R E S S I O N ?*

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I'm amazed how many times its worn

he lost a bet so has to wear it for all time ...jk idk

It's going to get memed into popularity.

exactly so why?

Wtf really? What weed are they smoking?

@I will steal your potatoes Give me back my potatoes, I'm supposed to make fries today!

@I will steal your potatoes You know, I never did make those fries yesterday..

@I will steal your potatoes Ha! Joke's on you. They were going to be baked. Although if you deep fry them, try a slice or two of onion added in to the fryer for spice.

@@BaronVonQuiply tf are you doing

No he just secretly loves the thing

my guess is they shot this video a while back when he first reviewed it?

Or Jibo pulled a #Thermalfake.

belleepoque777 The Illuminati

blackscatter mirror using di-single optimalized stability rendering, basically they re-generate the image from the side of whats looking at the camera using higher res, and then retake the image using the view port that the original camera would have had, its simple math that they teach kindergarden kids in asia.

belleepoque777 Movies are B.S.

Simon Johnny r/iamverysmart

Simon Johnny Do you work for the FBI?

uhh nope

linux is a kernel

still, when I use windows in mac's bootcamp, the scaling is a mess

@@ututkusumadhata9602 Doh? Windows scaling = terrible MacOS scaling = wonderful No matter what hardware you use it on.

Because Mac OS always used vector based graphics, while Windows uses bitmap.

Don't worry, it's you, not the video. Bahaha

@@rolandbion9510 nah, it's the video

That's good, actually. Your apps scale fine, or you don't have a 4K or higher display. This video will have a lot of gains for you once you hit that ONE application that renders 'fuzzy' or has jagged lines. I work in an industry that has a lot of quirky applications. The frame buffer can get very finicky if you render bitmaps when scaling.

lol right, tell me everything i already know except for how to fix the problem

@@acenorth7225 ?? This video was about explaining the issue not about how to fix it

Turbo Charged are you a windows fanboy I like all of them

@Turbo Charged You sound like someone who's never used linux before

@Turbo Charged I do use Windows, in a VM. But my bare hardware only gets to be touched by the glorious chad GNU/Linux. I don't have time to deal with a Malware\Windows peasant, as my kernel needs recompiling. You can choose to ascend to Chad\Linux or stick with Micro$oft's ATM\Operating System.

@Turbo Charged As much as I could debunk your claims with enough evidence that even your uninformed mind could comprehend that Linux is better, I don't have time to deal with the cancerous garbage that you call a point. I will say one thing though. RTFM. It helps even the most novice of users with anything on any OS.

@Turbo Charged Shame on you! Stop acting like a 5 year old! You actually need to have some knowledge to use linux fyi. Attacking other people because of their OS preference... Damn that is so childish.

BBBBBut does it :/? It changes resolution why scaling unfortunately to the HIDPI resolution divided by 2. Yes it scales correctly, but some loss of clarity is unavoidable with high ppi screens. But UI elements will look smooth always.

Cars Simplified Always get the same model. Not only scaling, matching color and white point can be problematic if you use two different displays.

I have 2 monitors and connect my TV to the pc for films etc, and I have never had any issues on Win7 - sounds like this could be more of a windows 10 issue

I have multiple systems that have multiple monitors. Macs & Linux work well. Windows is just garbage.

it's mostly a issue of large DPI differences. I use a shitty old dell as my second monitor, it's dpi is similar enough to my 32" 1080p screen that i don't notice any real issues (the secondary monitor is smaller, but also has a lower resolution) If you try to run a 4k 30" display beside a 1080p one, your likely going to have issues

Also if your main display is (like mine) 4K... there are some programs that don't play nice with scaling, so those tips are helpful for this.

Nick Tsif I'm pretty sure this is his channel too 😂 Edit: it is

Orbitz I can't tell if this is a joke or just really confused people cause Linus owns 3 channels.. lol

Technically 4 with LinusCatTips

This sounds like a sketchy bot xD

Welcome to LMG

Annnd have all your data stolen by some chinese guy

@@prodbyfaith you dont think there is already some chinese guy working for microsoft doing the same thing? ;-P

@@prodbyfaith cicciogamer89 x tutta la vita

The worldwide economy skipped a few heartbeats reading your comment. PS: I agree with you, it just I can't imagine any company pulling off that kind of huge conversion in an organized manner.

don't give microsoft another reason to try to kill win32 apps

Well, Windows 10 WAS a complete rewrite into a modular system

Microsoft did this before Apple. The old Windows based on DOS (up to Windows Me). Windows XP was the first consumer Windows based on the NT line. And NT is a modern OS.

@erik masterchef It was actually. Wheres your source?

Microsoft once owned well over 90% of the market. That decline ought to tell them, and Windows users, something.

Windows is still 85%. And, its growing again starting this year.

they dont.... they have the same exect problem...

Christopher Banacka except they solve way better.

I'm using a 2014 Macbook with a 1440 x 900 (scaled retina) resolution. It's connected to a Dell U3415W 34" widescreen with a resolution of 3840 x 1440 and a Dell U2713HM with a resolution of 2560 x 1440. Never had any scaling problems. Everything looks always sharp on each screen. Connecting my HP Zbook....the scaling problems begin ;)

you may be able to get around that issue by disabling "use my sign-in info to finish setting up devices after a restart" in settings -> user -> sign-in options in fact that option is causing a lot of issues, that make me wonder why is it enabled by default in the first place

Cvolton thanks! I'll give it a try

It's similar to the whole "Google doesn't know how to draw hamburger emojis" fiasco of a couple months ago. It's beyond comprehension how some companies play with time travel at the forefront but are somehow unable to cut the grass at their backyard.

Sometimes i wonder if MS's programmers use W10 or not, because W10 feels like it's made after a checklist instead of to make things easier/better/faster for the users in the long run Example: In Ubuntu, if you point at the volume icon and scroll with your mouse, _the volume changes,_ that feels like a "i want" feature, not a "modern design" feature

That was MS's whole plan with W10: Bury the dumpster fire that was W8 as quickly and inefficiently as possible, then hold everything together with duct tape and Bondo.

"Outdated."

Goran Vujovic sell your liver and buy all monitors in batch, same resolution, same size, no problem.

Everyone seems to be recommending Macs and Linux as the solution. Cause Micro$oft is like "Do we _have_ to fix it? I know, let s just release _incremental_ fixes." 03:30

Yeah. Use multiple screens in VR.

@@flameshana9 The problem is worse on Unix. Unix's solution is literally "buy the right hardware bro". That's what Apple Retina does by rigging their PPI so it can 2x scale to 125DPI

I haven't seen that bit, but I have a problem with Steam, after setting scaling up on Win7 it only will scroll in the upper left 1/4 of the screen like the app still thinks it's that size, and it's annoying as hell. I feel Taran's pain if he's had similar issues.

Because of Microsoft.

Because in the bad old days it wasn't necessary, and speed was more important than scaling. Fast forward and the hardware got powerful enough to support vector graphics at a speed that's acceptable and there were tens of thousands of programs written for the old model that would break in all matters of horrible ways if the OS suddenly would require everything to use vectors. And as there really wasn't that many really high DPI displays there wasn't many who thought it was important enough to worry about. So MS stuck their head in the sand and hoped for the best. And then truly high DPI displays came about at reasonable prices... MS has been working on the scaling, but compared to other operating systems they have far more baggage in the form of old software that people rely on to make a living. There are software using all kinds of weird tricks such as calling up menus and dialogs at coordinates far out from the areas you see on screen, and forcing pointer coordinates so they can "click" on buttons and select text fields to enter parameters while nothing is shown on screen where the user can see what the program is doing. Make to much changes to how the coordinate system works and things like that will break. The tile whatever system with apps is however new and should not come with any baggage in the form of archaic calls to strange panels and dialogs that hasn't been officially supported since Win3.11, and as such those apps should be much better at scaling. Don't know how true that is though as I absolutely hate that GUI and do my best to avoid seeing or using it.

Pixel based was the legacy way and it stayed for long because it's only now that high DPI are mainstream.

Ryan Martin at least they should make the bloody text vector based. It's not like the applications giving bitmaps for texts. Sure icons might be blurry but it's just incredibly ugly and stupid to make that behavior the same on texts too

Well, it wasn't just slow in the past, it was VERY slow. Like, a computer design from 1979 can render a 320x192 image, but I wouldn't count on it to draw more than maybe 1-2000 polygons in a second if you're extremely lucky, and even that's only if you can devote just about the entire CPU time of your system to drawing graphics, and nothing else. (in case you're wondering why that's relevant; vector graphics are 2d, but based on the same principles, and can in fact be even more complex shapes.) Now imagine that you want the UI to be somewhat responsive; So... You're going to want to keep graphics performance at something reasonable, like, 20 fps at a minimum. That means you're looking at between 300-600 vector elements onscreen at once. But everything is a vector; your window, all the buttons, the icons on those buttons, the text onscreen. (every letter when drawn using vectors would be a fairly complex shape, probably a 20 sided polygon or more.) You quickly run out of performance, and your framerate tanks, and everything becomes really unresponsive. And keep in mind you can only draw those 3-600 vectors if you're not doing anything else! In other words, the computer can't actually be computing anything! So... Performance is an understatement. And while computers did get more powerful into the 90's.... You're probably talking 1995, 1996 before they had enough power to be able to do vector graphics at a decent speed. By 2000ish you had decently powerful capabilities to do vector graphics. (conceptually, vector graphics and 3d rendering have a lot of overlap, and by that point you had systems that could draw many millions of polygons a second, which translates to being able to do 2d vector graphics at high speed as well.) Windows of course, by the year 2000 already had huge amounts of legacy code to deal with. Mac OS did too to some extent, but apple simply didn't care as much about breaking old software, and had more control over their hardware and software ecosystem as well, so things were more predictable.

This.

Dude thank you so much. God bless u man :)

When you have a 5 inch 720p screen and get this

When you are in your car turning the radio knob and all of a sudden get this :o

I'd wear it ironically too if they had it in white.

That works if you don't have a 4k display. Especially on a laptop.

gay

Only worry when you get you get the GSoD and you didn't sign up to be an insider

Got a similar reason to go for 2 smaller displays. Besides possible scaling issues, it is less taxing running games on a smaller resolution.

So, Microsoft cannot fix Windows even on their own hardware... round of applause.

gizmoguyar because Windows10 is a piece of crap

Eugene InLaw fuck off

To be fair here - it might just as well be that either your external display or your laptop are reporting garbage to the OS. You should double check using a Linux Live distribution for example.

gizmoguyar because Mac OS has a lot less applications then Windows especially when it comes to gaming and more than just one developer makes applications for Windows

Check what the EDID informations of both screens report. Besides the colorspace it also reports the size of the screen, both the amount of pixels and the physical size.

I remember Apple said they are shipping their Macs with Lion but users can upgrade them to Mountain Lion for free shortly.

I have the 2012 mbpr and I don’t have any issues.

iFone Fan, Yeah because apple fixed the issues almost immediately, which is amazing, but Microsoft put in zero effort

Microsoft office key

But in my Mac Pro mid 2012 with 4K display I have problem. The resolution is 3840x2160 but "looks like 1920x1080". The graphic card has support for 4K. You can manually choose 3840x2160 but then everything becomes incredibly tiny, impossible to have it so. MacOS doesn't seem to be any better...

was waiting for someone to comment about it :')

Yeah, me too.. but why, though?

What is this meme?

lenny

Jibo stfu

*chance nicely* The celery will be wrapped with hair and wear no gloves.

who says it was free

*Mayo taizou* Clean walnut spiders, that's who.

Yep, can confirm that. A country where one of the main known foods is Breakfast, should have it all day. My first meal is usually 1-2pm, so I never had the chance to try it...

Yes, and it is even worse, even after 4 years.

TheColonelK1LL ouch, I would honestly ditch the second monitor, I don’t know your budget but a second 1920/1080 monitor would be a nice purchase.

Ninja1inblack monitor 1 2560x1440 monitor 2 1920x1080 monitor 3 1400x900

Ok seriously, you cant get a 1080p monitor? They are dirt cheap nowadays, you can even get a used one to save money if that is your issue.

So true. Linux is an utter garbage when it comes to HiDPI. Seriously, for the first time in my life I must give Apple some credit, at least their desktop looks like it is supposed to, not like a total blurry/stretched/too small mess of Linux/Windows.

You mean the DE not the distro. KDE can scale perfectly. I use Kubuntu as my daily driver on a Full HD screen. Force Font DPI to 120 and it works great for me. Even the window icons scale along with the text since KDE uses SVGs. To be fair KDE has a scaling option but I've had mixed results with it on fractional scaling so I simply went for font DPI instead. Also, Unity can scale quite well. I've used Ubuntu 16.04 without any issues on FHD.

Kde and gnome scale fine but you cant have different scaling settings on two different monitors

Works just fine with KDE on Fedora

Yeah, scaling is soo much better on Ubuntu for me

Yeah, try to connect 24" 1080p to 15.6" 4k while saving scaling on either of them, xorg will shit himself and die

Name me a DE that properly scales a 3K 14 inch display, while keeping all the UI elements the correct size. The closest I've gotten is using GNOME with increased font size, but it's not even close to the way macOS handles HiDPI displays and scaling.

@@lucamateipintilie7006 i am new user on Linux cinnamon 19 now 2 days I already know how to do all that. I never learned that in windows. Windows are more busy watching you and bombard you with software updates that never works. No more windows for me

@@blaziken7673 like 2 commands in the terminal and it's done. But ight

you haven't tried all the programs on earth bro, one example that i use everyday is Mendeley. can't believe such a modern application couldn't keep up with hidpi. such a shame