@@JohnnyQPublic001 I put that at 3 because I figure that’s where people who’ve had some amount of conversations with other riders has met one or two people who would fight tooth and nail to avoid wearing a helmet.
Driving home today 2 motorcyclist were already lane splitting on the freeway. It is not legal yet and not allowed on the freeway. Posted speed limit 45 mph or lower. Which sucks because bumper to bumper happens on the freeway too.
@@yupsir791 the interstate is a parking lot far too often, with very few reasons to be this way. I've been on road trips where i've seen no accidents for 10's of miles and yet people are not moving.
As a WA rider and testimony member for 5622, this video made me depressed I cheered myself up by hopping on my bike and riding into Seattle city limits where there's no enforcement and doing some satisfying filtering through gridlock
@@Enonymouse_ Step 1: get a bicycle Step 2: install a motorized 4-stroke kit while retaining functionality of the pedals (gets similar speeds to a 50cc scooter) Step 3: Use the motor do get around normally Step 4: if you approach gridlock, kill the engine and use the pedals to filter around all the traffic Step 5: at the red light, stop filtering and re-engage motor, take off with all the cars This is unironically what I would do if I had to commute every day in an area where scooters would be prosecuted for filtering
So in Hawaii when they passed that bill for lane splitting it was done for only posted areas which has never happened and it was only meant for the shoulder lane which is hilarious as the shoulder lane is littered with trash. All I know is the motorcycle cops do it constantly so I do it too. I have gopro footage of me lane splitting with a HPD motorcycle cop in front of me just in case they want to pull some crap. Lol great video though
IL here, Giving up one freedom for another is not a win. I do wear a helmet every ride, but I'd rather fight for an honest lane-splitting bill than give up something for something.
Considering that even in places like California where half helmets can be considered helmet, I'd rather just give up mandatory helmets so that the dumbnesses could die without including those pathetic excuses for a helmet in the statistics.
Thanks for the video and the amazing amount of research put into the subject. The most comprehensive I have seen... and a valuable tool and resource for the ongoing fight to make this legislative progress happen.
I don’t think it’ll ever be legal in Georgia. They “expanded” some interstates by shortening the width of the lanes. Didn’t even add any pavement so now semi trucks have about 6 inches on either side to work with on some highways
You can tell that there isn't a larger plan behind a lot of the traffic infrastructure beyond 'How can we increase bandwidth for cars' in many states, which only scales so far. They are shoving more cars on the same size road instead of investing in higher capacity, more economical forms of transportation, and they'll continue to do it until smarter people are voted in or shit literally crumbles.
Thank you at 10:45 Explain to me too? Texas always says same thing "I don't want to wear a helmet because I can judge on my own, but the option to lane split is SOO dangerous" Don't understand either? Hopefully we can push to make lane splitting legal, under certain conditions under a speed, nice for traffic on those scorching days rather than seeing everyone just ride the should so unsafely in traffic.. really pushing to get lane splitting legal in Texas.
In Idaho we (riders) can ignore red lights. Let me explain. If you are sitting at a red light but the light won't change to green because the sensors don't pick you up you can "run the red light" when it is safe to do, if you cause an accident it will be your fault.
I’m from Illinois, mostly boomers refuse to wear helmets anyone else including myself even if I go to the corner store I wear a helmet. I wonder what can I do In order to get it legalize lane filtering. I feel like in 2023 we can outnumber the no helmet generation.
This is wildly false. A helmet is the single most effect way to decrease the likelihood death in a motorcycle crash, and lane filtering decreases the likelihood of the most deadly crash for motorcycles. Even ignoring that there are studies which prove you wrong, it doesn't even make sense on the face.
@@nicolaslehman5934 so you rather get pinned between the car in front and back? Or rather be in the front where if someone gonna get hit it’ll be another car instead of you ?
@@nicolaslehman5934 there are studies that prove you wrong. I can find a study on google to support just about anything. Lane filtering becomes just as dangerous because cagers aren't expecting or looking for a bike to ride the line to pass them, nor would it be unexpected they would be disrespected by a bike passing them on line between two vehicles. Use your head for more than a helmet rack.
Kansas resident chiming in. The only states with even a bill in committee, say nothing of actually passing a law (with the weird exception of Montana), are those with major population centers of millions of people. We...are not. In most of the state, laws concerning tractors and horses on the road are more relevant. I think filtering would have to happen on a municipal level here, unless Missouri passes one and all the cross-state-line confusion in Kansas City forces our hand. Even then, I don't doubt the Wyandotte County Sheriff's Office welcomes the ticketing of Missouri riders in that situation and would lobby against Kansas legalizing.
As an Oregon resident who does not ride, or have any personal reason to give a s*** about lane-splitting, I was so incredibly livid when I heard that the Oregon bill was vetoed by Kate Brown. I couldn't believe that we had used so many resources so many resources to get a well thought out, bipartisan agreement on this bill and then she vetoed it. Lane splitting is better for traffic, motorcyclists, air-cooled bikes, and doesn't negatively affect car motorists. Motorcycles being able to filter to the front of traffic on California prevent them from being rear ended at stoplights and stopped traffic, and have little I'll effect. I'm glad it got so close, and I'm hopeful this goes through one day in my lovely state of Oregon.
As a UK biker, this seems ridiculous that there are laws against something that we take for granted, especially when you look at the width of your roads compared to ours. When its pissing down with rain (as it does often) we reserve the right to get home as quickly as possible!
Not every state has "dead red" laws in the books, which is a much larger problem than cutting through traffic, and is universally embraced by the motorcycle community, the same group that squashed the Illinois lane splitting law.😂
From what I have seen is if it’s so unsafe to do, then why do mc police do it any chance they get. I would assume an osha review of body cams on pd bikes with rider explanation as why they do it. Just saying us tax payers pay for that equipment so why does that equipment get used in an illegal way in “such a dangerous way.” Lane filtering is only as dangerous as the rider makes it. Just like passing on a two way road with a car it’s the operators risk for reward to do so or not.
The laws should read "splitting allowed when traffic is 50mph or less" not the speed limit of the road because jams on highways and interstates are where a lot of bikers will get rear ended and die when traffic is stop and go during rush hour. It blows my mind that lane splitting is still illegal in the U.S when it's been proven time and time again to reduce rear end fatalities of motorcyclists by over 30% and increase flow of traffic. The only reason it's illegal is because it's not fair, what's not fair is motorcyclists potentially losing their life because of laws created from emotion instead of safety.
live in illinois. most of the riders I see dont wear helmets or even any safety equipment. lot of those really big motorcycles too(the ones that with the wide fronts that look kind of comical?), so I feel like they would not have been able to even fit between cars. im not sure I really get the point of those big motorcycles, but I also dont get harleys so it just might be a me thing
I personally would not support a line splitting bill in Florida because our state has the craziest people and the worst drivers. So any action on the road that requires drivers to not be insane violence assholes is a bad idea.
Right on red traffic laws spread all across the USA in the 70's because the federal gov't required states to adopt it to get federal transportation assistance. Same for permitting motorcycles in HOV lanes. The federal gov't needs to require states to adopt lane splitting to keep receiving federal transportation money.
The hurdles enumerated in your video are sobering. Hard to get a majority to give one jot about the wishes of motorcyclists. In Virgina you can be thrown in jail for filtering past stalled traffic at 5 MPH but a car can legally blast past a bicycle in the same lane, the cyclist navigating the gravel broken glass, and sticks in the margin of the lane. Laws favor the car, king of the American road.
The more research I do, the more my thought process evolves on how to get to the end result I want. I used to think it was about 'Winning hearts and minds' of the average voter in a state, but that doesn't actually translate into direct actions, as far as getting laws proposed and passed. What works is finding a few lawmakers that are sympathetic to your cause, engaging with them relentlessly (Squeaky wheel), getting more people to pester their reps until there is at least a kindling of support burning. I feel for anyone in states that have never had a bill submitted (It was actually a shock to me how many states had never even had an attempt), as that is the hardest part, but like a snowball down a hill, the momentum builds and it does get easier as you go along.
I'm not a biker, but I enjoy many of your videos. I have to admit, as a driver, lane-splitting scares me. Maybe it's just too much going on? It's usually someone going way too fast & the noise alone is alarming. I worry about people's safety, since most drivers aren't expecting that. So I appreciate hearing your views on this. Maybe once it's legal & maybe more common it'll be something we car drivers can get used to?
Michigan passed a law making helmets optional a few years ago. I'm shocked how many people I see not wearing helmets - on city streets, freeways, rural areas, on motorcycles, bicycles, scooters. I suppose that's part of the reason lane-splitting scares me so much!
It's a matter of time. I my country , lane splitting and filtering is so normalized that you naturally check your blind spots for motorcycles as a reflex.
Bill still needs to be refined to incorporate concerns WSDOT had. Have a few more months before it can be reintroduced, but no confirmation anyone is doing the work.
I live in KY, it's illegal to cut lanes here. So if a car hits the biker while they are cutting lanes, it's always the bikers fault. How does that work in states where it's legal, who has the right of way?
Im from wisconsin and ive never heard of anyone ive met in real life carring about cutting between cars or not but i know more who complain about states with bucket laws then dont complain about helmets
Hey if you don’t hit my car I’m completely fine with it. If you do then I have to do paperwork and crap. Eather way nothing changes so like i don’t care nor do I see the issue with people doing that.
Committee, sub-committee, sub-sub--committee, legislative this, legislative that, insurance lobby - that's American problem. The way it goes, it will take another 100 years with questionable results.
I had some conversation with the head of a local ABATE chapter who told me that they were already talking to lawmakers about how to modify the bill to resolve the concerns that WSDOT had. Now I don't know confidently that is happening, and I don't know what specifically they are doing to get it changed, but that's what someone in an email told me, and I haven't followed up yet about it but I will. I think we need to operate like that is NOT going to happen, so we all need to read up on the analysis and testimony that was submitted, see how we can adjust the bill to solve some of those concerns, and then blast that out to all the people who signed onto this bill as sponsors. I know there were concerns about restricting it to highways or some other nuanced concern about road type, their might be more.
Realistically this would take dozens if not hundreds of persons showing up to testify, writing the governor's office and having a laser focus on the chair of the house. Writing them isn't enough by itself. That POS individual has regularly put this bill on hold despite bipartisan support during the creation of it. I would not be surprised if there are paid lobbyists on the opposing side. The majority of the persons who are asked to vote don't ride, and just hear buzz words in the prepared statement of the opposition. Once they hear it critical thinking stops, and they all go back to a cubicle mode way of thinking, 'if it's not in my cubicle then I don't care about it'. Whatever statement you have to make during testimony, keep it short, factual and to the point. You may only have less than 2 minutes to speak.
In regards to the Illinois lane splitting/helmet law, the mid-oughts was pretty much the prime-time of the Harley Davidson ridin, "on a waitlist for 2 years", leather pirate cosplay boomer dentist/lawyer douchebags, so the fact that it was killed because of the helmet aspect is not surprising. If they tried to pass it again in 2022 I doubt they'd get pushback on THAT part.
Well, they tried to do us dirty by sneaking in an amendment of having helmet laws in illinois. Some of us don't drive on the god damn highway. And just wanna enjoy riding the streets without having to barely breathe in a sweaty helmet.
My best guess for IL "killing" anti-helmet law is that's all they heard. They being the wider variety of "baggers", really safe conscious riders who like looking at stats and die by them about safety or prefer talking about mpg than the actual riding of their motorbikes, or just general cruiser guys that dislike the idea of taking their large bikes through truck/suv dense cities, when the outlying roads might be traffic free in the few months they could ride. Why would a 250 Sport guy care about wearing a helmet when he can save 15 mins splitting in rush hour congestion during the melting summer? Maybe he's glad it's in gov and thinks it's going well, why say again and again that it's supposed to continue support with the amendments? How active are voters after just getting that much knowledge that "it's getting worked on". -typed at 11;30 I'll have to get with you and others in the community and find out more for my state MO. My House rep is a member of the Transportation Committee but not my Senator rep. Overall, thanks for your time and thoughts with this video.
Good bills frequently die because it either doesn't generate good press, tax money or didn't have someone lining the pockets of politicians. A politician was caught taking bribe money to not attend the meeting they had scheduled with a pro-right to repair action group, so it's still happening.
when i heard my friend who rides a motorcycle say "I'm on a motorcycle I'm not gonna sit in traffic" that's when i knew that we didn't need lane splitting.
@@Tazytots you know you are right if the highway is backed up becuase of a crash im just gonna drive on the shoulder to where i want to be instead of waiting because i dont need to be there.
/ersonally dont care what the laws are gonna do what keeps this one alive, they can give this one a ticket will just fight it. alot of the times the local court will throw out tickets like these.. although in texas its now illegal lol, although did it infront of two cops and they didnt do shit lol, about two days ago
IF you're not allowed to lane split, what exactly is the point of owning a motorcycle? The whole reason I want one is to not have to be brutally stuck in traffic all the time.
That study is really interesting. It seems to say lane splitting drivers are less likely to be severely injured if their crash happened during a lane splitting event, but ALSO that lane splitting drivers were significantly younger and more likely to wear full helmets than their non-lane splitting counterparts. How much of the reduction in injury is a result of the situational differences between a lane splitting crash and a non lane splitting crash vs the younger people taking better hits with better protective gear? I skimmed it best I could to see if they controlled for it and they mention some differences in demographics but didn't see anything specific. Im here from your more LGBT focused vids and I'm not a rider. Never intend on being one outside of maybe a track setting if I had the chance. But as long as motorcycles are street legal at all it seems to me there's little reason to prevent riders from lane splitting. It's mostly their risk anyway, more power to ya.
"This study is not without limitations. The primary limitation is our lack of exposure data. To estimate how the risk of being involved in a collision changes when motorcyclists chose to lanesplit, we would require information on both the lane-splitting and non-lane-splitting riding that is done by some identifiable sample of motorcyclists. The collection of these data is fraught with problems, and the current study did not attempt to collect such data. The current data set cannot be used to compare the collision risks for lane-splitting or non-lane-splitting riders. The data that we do have enables us only to examine the collision, personal, and injury characteristics of the riders who were involved in traffic collisions and whose collisions occurred in the study jurisdictions. " - interesting caveat listed in the study
