Why it's Impossible for New Players to Learn Overwatch 2 in 2024 

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One time I heard my tank ask what the little yellow plus signs on his screen meant.....

“Bad positioning ult economy etc.” And awareness too lol I can’t believe they let you camp the same spot for so long

Holy shit watching this sombra gameplay at the start is criminal. Gold is wilderness

This video is spot on. I didn't know you could push sigma's barrier further by holding the button at first because no guides mentioned it. I kept wondering "How do people get so much value out of him? He sucks!"

keep in mind that gold is actually the average player so many don't care enoth to learn all that

This video reminds me of everytime I use zaria, I swear everytime I play, her beam reaches a kilometer longer than before.

took me 2+ years and being a Grandmaster player before I learned Ana's grenade amplifies healing received. It's really really difficult to teach new players, but keep in mind you don't have to know absolutely every detail about the game. Just spending a lot of time in the game and using trial and error you can learn the game quickly.

I've paid for coaching before cause the game felt so overwhelming to learn. Some really good advice my coach gave was to review your gameplay and pick one thing that you want to improve on. Literally can be anything, even the smallest thing like how you strafe or your pathing through the map. Focus on that one thing for about a week or 2 and otherwise play the game as you normally would. That thing will then feel normal and you wont have to think about it anymore so you can focus on something else. With a hero like Sombra for example I would check the replay and find out every ability and ultimate that is hackable and then spend a week just focusing on getting good hacks, like disabling mercy rez, junkrat ultimate, moira ultimate etc. I lost many games trying to find the perfect timing and such but the stuff I learned was totally worth it. Something you also may not realize is that Sombra is a high gamesense hero meaning you need to understand the game really well to get full value out of her kit. You need to know how all the abilities in the game interact with each other to get the good hacks off. Beginners might have an easier time with a simpler hero like Soldier or Cassidy where the game will feel more like CS or Call of duty. Lastly the game has thresholds in ranks where the game will play wildly differently and you have to pretty much relearn the game cause what you learned in that low rank wont work in the higher rank anymore. This causes a massive disconnect between game understanding for high and low rank players. For example Cassidy was the first hero I learned to play and I would always flank with him and wipe the whole enemy team with his ultimate, that completely stopped working at Plat 5 so I had to learn other ways to get value with his ult, like use it to zone out enemy ults and get value without even killing anything. In summary, its a slow process and you need to put lots of time into the game to get anywhere, keep playing the game only if you are having fun at whatever rank you are at.

Heya! As a veteran player of this game, I am always interested to know about new playes prespective and experience with the game I love. And guess what? I've been begging for better in-game tutorials/ability explainations on how heroes work or are supposed to be played for years. Since I mostly play a bunch of heroes, let's say I'm tired of that and wanna play something different, but on a starting level of knowledge so it doesn't look like I'm throwing and get called out for that (in quickplay, as sad as it is). Some content creators and youtubers do bring on the table short and useful videos in which they explain how to play around enemies and they abilities with a set hero and in all kind of match-ups. (Niandra, KarQ), but the kind of brief and perfect explaination you just did in the end of this one is exactly what's missing both in and out of the game. (You should make more and call it a series, not joking.) In brief: thank you. I just wish the OW team was less focused on greedy monetization and would make this game more new-user friendly, which I personally think is the only thing that's gonna save this game's life in the long term. Ow is almost 10 years old, now, an entire new generation of gamers is hitting the game as we speak or will in the next couple of years. Not the cool skins, not the lore, not the collabs or sick cinematic: polish the new user experience is what they need to avoid the void. But I'm sure OW devs have bigger brains than me working on this, I'm sure they're aware and the issue is somewhere else, in the chain. Let's hope for the best possible future :)

Something people forget, trying to learn the fundamentals if you are new to fps or even overwatch os difficult because you play against other bad players. Learning to use cover is extremely easy and highly effective, but its one of the hardeat things for bronzes to learn. Why? Because ppl in bronze dont hit enough shots, so if your standing out in the open, you dont get punished, at least not consistently. The amount of times i made misyakes when i was hardsruck bronze and i didnt have a clue they were mistakes, because i rarely got punished, or i couldnt see a correlation between my mistake and the result due to the result being inconsistent. Its the thing that kept me in bronze for the longest time. I actually believed i deserved plat, and went so far to prove it that i created an alt account and did my best to get the highest ranked placememts i could (this was like season 4). I got placed plat 5 and got quite literally obliterated, game after game 2/12, 1k damage. For some reason i got the luckest games ever and i was able to maintain a stable gold 3 (my team hardcaried while i played die out of spawn simulator) for a solid 20 more games. My ego was crushed, i knew i deserved bronze, and i made it my goal to try and do something in these gold games to improve. I naturally started using cover to avoid damage, i saved my dash to escape (im was and am a genji one trick), i stopped making the same stupid plays (since they weremt rewarding me) and stated experimenting with new things. My games started looking more like 7/13 at 3.5k damage, then more like 12/14 at 4.8k damage. Still throwing for my rank, but i was improving. I got sick of my alt account and went back to bronze 5 on my main and climbed to silver in 3 days (i already had 200 hours on genji and was hardstuck bronze). I learned that whatever rank i was in, i deserved it, stopped blaming teamates started learning what i could to improve my gameplay and i am proud to say that a month ago i hit plat for the first time ever (one tricking genji). Its not amazing, but i struggle a lot with competitive games so this is a big win for me. But like i said, the feedback loop is broken in low ranks and it makes it very hard to learn proper play.

In the example of "Sombra does 160 dps, but I don't know how much health each hero has," can be easily solved by taking a few minutes to load into the Practice Range and look. While tanks have -175 HP outside of QP and Comp Role Queue, you can see that almost every non-tank hero in the game has 250 HP, with a few exceptions. I don't think creators bear the responsibility of giving you this information. It is all very accessible, like on the Overwatch Wiki. Imagine how horribly tedious it would be for every single video to list out these extremely basic things when people can just look at the Overwatch Wiki. I think creators should maybe mention that the wiki exists, but they are not burdened to make their videos substantially worse to accommodate people who don't want to do a modicum of research.

You realize you’re asking for the impossible right? You want a short concise guide that doesn’t waste your time but you ALSO want it to tell you the things the creator would have no way of knowing whether or not you know because most of us learned it by playing the character for an hour or two? Both goals don’t coexist, and if you don’t weave in stuff of varying levels you lose viewers. Imagine spending months developing a comprehensive guide and most people click off the video after the first 30 seconds when you explain what armor does because “I already know that”

The issue is that in-game, the written descriptions for every ability are missing so much info for all of them

Started 2 months or so before ow2, maybe 40-50 hours total of playtime. And now, season 10 peaked top 98 and gm5 (season 8) with 700 hours. One thing I’d say to improve, is just watch better players. Don’t watch only one person or one hero, watch a variety. Every player and hero has a different play style, also copying the things that only one player does can be less beneficial than just playing normally. Make sure to mix up how and who you play. (Yes one-tricks, I’m looking at you.) If mechanics are your problem, simply warm up 15-30 minutes a day in an in-game workshop aim trainer. Of course, my main tip is just enjoy playing the game! Play with friends, play with music in the background etc. don’t rage queue, or continue playing if you aren’t having fun.

EMP can be interrupted, it has a casting time. you can be CCed out of EMP before it is cast

I think I understand the point you're trying to get across but, and do correct me if Im wrong, I feel like you're expecting to get everything spoon fed to you which I believe goes against the purpose of playing a game. For example, you talk about not realizing that reaper's shotguns had a fall off range of 25 meters which is understandable i never knew that either, but I think it is common intuition to think that the farther away you are from a shotgun character the less effective they will be. Another thing, you said you never knew that sombra was a decent midrange character until you saw someone saying that however, I feel like you should have learned this by playing the game itself. A lot of the problems you mentioned could just be solved by playing the game and rewatching your vods to see where you went wrong. Everything comes with practice and play time there isn't a cheat code to instantly get a higher rank, you have to grow and learn as you play the game. The game also helps you do this by putting you in matches with people of similar rank so it isn't like you're facing grandmasters. All in all I just feel like this is less of a video about how overwatch is impossible to learn but more like a video about how the information isn't given to you on a sliver platter.

I have been playing for a year and being a new player isn't a concept any one understands but I will tell you there alot of cool people who will do vod for you and let you know that helped me alot

8:04 I love it when I get shot out of stealth and become incredibly invulnerable.

I think you really nailed it by bringing up chaos theory, to know how exactly to play in a given situation you need to know all parameters or general advice can be completely incorrect in a given situation, and it takes a long time to even recognize those parameters in game, especially if you don't use guides, let alone how to react to them. This is probably why video reviews are so common, as the reviewer does have access to all the variables and can explain what they are and what they mean, and over time viewers learn the most common patterns of similar advice that improve their play even if they don't do it perfectly.

I feel like this video is just a setup for him to make a complete guide that every beginner goes too. However there is a creator named Karq that does in depth tips for every hero against every hero. He even gets other one tricks to come on and explain their heros.

I remember when I was trying to learn OW in 2020 and it seemed like the guides couldn't help me so much. My game sense was still trash and sometimes I couldn't understand why everyone around me was dying if I was healing them. It turned out that it was their own fault for not using abilities and playing braindead 😂 These things come with time, but with the addition of new characters, new passives, the increased importance of individual play and faster pace, it's no wonder someone could find it confusing and frustrating.

I'm a masters player, and have been playing since 2018. Alot of hero guides are really difficult because of how complex and diverse every interaction with every hero is. an example being If your playing dive your target is an Ana, but if they have a brig ana it changes to brig because its faster to kill her. Those interactions come with time of just trying new things. like i've said i've been playing for 6 years and am still learning different interactions because I've never had to interact with them before (and the roster is growing every 2 seasons). Improvement comes from the fundamentals. Corners, Angles, Space, and Timing are the only true ways to climb and improve (Its why people can do the unranked to gm on new characters the day they come out) I'd recommend A10 If you want to improve really fast, as he's my personal favorite streamer/ youtuber who has some of the best guides I've watched that helped me climb out of Diamond

The lack of information availability is an issue I've noticed in numerous games as of the last decade or so. It's difficult to teach a new player when they have to jump through numerous hoops to find the information. Like another game I've seen it in is a personal favorite, Warframe. One of the characters is essentially an interdimensional magician who can move himself, enemies and even allies between two different dimensions... With or without the other player's consent. When within that other dimension, that player cannot interact with any terminals or get kills on anything that isn't also in that same dimension, and this can be a massive issue if the player using the character doesn't know what they're doing, or does know what they're doing, and are trolling with it. Players can leave that dimension by just dodge rolling, and it pulls them out, but the game makes absolutely no mention of that anywhere in-game, neither do pretty much any character guides mention it at all. Players literally have to go to that specific character's wiki page and scour the ability page to learn that. **You'd think something that important would be something that should be communicated!...*

This video is actually pretty good. Im a new Overwatch player that only joined the game about a month and a half ago and was pretty confused when I first started playing aswell. I can agree that the game is very complicated and theres a lot you need to know and learn right from the start. It took me a very long time to learn the characters but I mostly learned through watching big content creators gameplay such as Emongg, Flats, Jay3, and more.

This video was sooooo good. Learned some more shit about my main on accident, and perfectly articulated my issue with overwatch that I didn't know how to put into words.

The biggest problem OW has is the mentality of too many players - “I’m just vibin’”, “it’s just QP”, “ur sweaty” etc. and a report system too open to abuse by stacks of children who think ANY input is an attack and mass report anyone who dares ask for a swap or better play no matter how politely asked. Too many players in a competitive game (even QP is a competitive game) who have no business in a FPS in the first place… and it’s not just QP, too many in comp who play it like QP and admit it. They don’t even bother to watch ONE video on how a character even works… or relative damage, so we see DVAs walking back and forth mindlessly shooting Reins shield for minutes on end hoping for one ultimate… the game SO desperately needs a clan system it’s ridiculous…. Then worst of all THEY complain the game is “bad” because THEY won’t put any effort into understanding it…

Ok. 7 years of experience here. I will make concise guides. Do you guys prefer RU-vid Shorts or just short RU-vid videos.

You literally learn the game just by playing it not by studying it, just like every other game

I started in early 2023 and became otp Dva, i peaked top 14 and now im climbing again to try to reach champion. I think learning the fundamentals first instead of the complex things is good in any competitive game. Good video man, lovr the game.

I wonder if you know that in the Control Setting for Sombra, you can actually change the translocator to freecam instead of directional when you throw it so that you will have a better view on your surroundings. Either way, good video 😁

Really sharp and insightful commentary. I'm a gold two Sombra. Stuck in gold for over a year. Not because of lack of trying. Just because I don't get to play enough hours (full time dad of 4 etc). You wouldn't believe how many people on my teams just don't know how to use their abilities correctly. Very frustrating for someone who doesn't have the technical skill to carry every single game but knows he should be higher rank.

2:30 if there were just answers for every scenario in overwatch, it wouldnt be "the most complex game out there right now"

This is so great, thanks for making this video! I've always wanted to make a video about overwatch and specifically Echo and Ashe since I've got hundreds of hours on both of them! ill be sure to make multiple levels "beginner" "amateur" "advanced" and "matchup's + maps" one important thing to know is im currently diamond 5 (hovering around there) and my guide will focus on silver to diamond i have simply no knowlage on how to play "masters echo"

Another thing that hurts the average and new players is that so many characters’ “best” or rather easiest control layout isn’t even set by default like sombra having a camera lock off to by default. So if you don’t know about these hidden control settings it just looks like you’re playing a different game in a mirror match.

i started playing overwatch in october of 2022 - i.e. the month overwatch 2 was released and became free to play. my only previous experience with shooters beforehand was playing pixel shooter on my little brother's phone. to say i was going in blind is an understatement. however, nearly two years later, i've been consistently at high gold and peaking plat across almost all roles (tank, support, open queue where i one trick ball), and i feel like i know a decent amount of things about the game. i'm not sure exactly how that happened, but i can mention some of the things that had a hand in helping me: 1) spending the first couple of hundred hours focusing on improving my mechanical skills - mostly by just playing a LOT of soldier 76 - and familiarizing myself with the maps and their objectives SOLELY in unranked, where my inexperience didn't matter. 2) believe it or not, being unnaturally dedicated to playing mystery heroes - both the unranked and competitve version - was probably one of the most helpful factors in teaching me how to play each and every hero. it discouraged me from sticking with comfort picks while forcing me to learn ones i otherwise wouldn't have glanced at, while ALSO keeping everyone else on the same ground. 3) watching (certain) OW content creators on youtube. NOT the unranked to GM bullshit, but rather their normal gameplay. obviously Top 500 gameplay is nowhere near the one found in gold lobbies, but there are plenty of useful stuff you DO learn. ml7's positioning and angles, the way kenzo aims, fitzy's sombra gameplay improving mine tenfold, even frogger's silly videos have taught me the way i used lucio as a healbot was wrong and that being aggressive helps my team much more. 4) similarly, those niche 'Overwatch Facts You Didn't Know!' usually have obscure tips and tricks you don't find in normal guides. 5) last but not least, and the one thing i know not everyone can do: spending way too much time playing the game gold isn't very impressive, i know, but it is impressive how much knowledge i've gained about the game's basics in the time i've been playing it. never before would i have thought that i would know, much less understand, what things like 'ult economy', 'game sense', 'regrouping', 'counters', etc even mean. however, one (of the many) thing(s) i feel like the dev team should have done was make Hero Mastery more about, you know, actually MASTERING the hero instead of a glorified speedrun, and had it released with OW2, when the influx of new players might have actually had some use from it.

Well... since you play sombra, i know a thing or two, translocator acts as a cleanse for status effects, and in some very specific situations where you might get hit with a sleep dart or somehow stunned, if you throw translocator just before it, it'll cleanse you and teleport/stealth as it usually doe. I get angry alot playing against sombra as Ana because of it.

I started playing apex in season 11 and got plat in my first season without any problem. I started playing overwatch recently (around 50h playtime) and am fighting for my life in gold 3. This game is hard.

honestly it just comes with time, most content creators in the sphere have been playing since early ow1 days, ive been playing since 2016 so i couldnt even imagine what the new player experience is like now. it is so difficult to find relevant advice since the game has changed so much. Only last season the game had a huge health overhaul and this season had many tank armour changes. i built my knowledge of the game was just picking a few characters i found fun and over time you just get a feel for how the interactions work and what each characters role is. I wouldnt worry too much about each characters 1v1 interactations, if you have any questions or tips id love to help u out :)

you learn the game by constantly stress testing what you can get away with applying some good old “lets try that” mentality , you will not be able to effectively access your options by having number values at hand, trust me. I know it’s frustrating but it’s like kids touching a burning oven and having that reflex for life, guidelines is all you will be able to get educationally because under it’s abilities, dmg numbers and ultimates overwatch is an incredibly free-flowing arena shooter at its core with some moba stuff to keep it from getting too out of hand, it’s definitely not the other way around. Keep it up hope you enjoy your learning journey

I try to tell ppl this game has more nuance then just the numbers on the screen. And they just call me trash and start telling me i dont understand the game then report me. "Tank diff" even though the dps will go five miles out from their team spam i need healing then die and put their team in a 4v5 or 3v5. But it's a "Tank diff" because i cant carry their weight. Tanks are not supposed to do everything for you. You have to win your own duels sometimes. Same with healers. I understand supports are not meant to be heal bots. But they don't understand when to heal and when to dps. Like we can be going rein v rein and enemy ana supports her tank in the tank fight with nad sleep dart heals and dps while my ana is busy trying to shoot the mercy that she cant hit then im dead. So i have to go Winston but then when i dive their supports and im talking i kill both of them and i turn around my team is dead. Like it really makes you feel no matter what you do. You have no impact. They'll scream stay with your team. Then when i do that and nothing changes and i flame them. Im the problem. Like what. I did what you wanted.

I agree with everything you said! And a video like this needs more attention. The problem I have now, is that nobody does, or can explain how to do a *Grapple Hook Shot* as *Widowmaker.* You'd think by now there would be a lot of information out there, but there isn't. It's like you are just left to find out everything on your own.

I started playing overwatch around 2-3 months ago. I grew up playing a lot of FPS and overall team games, and watched some tips&tricks videos so it wasn't that hard for me to catch on. On the other hand, one of my siblings (the person who introduced me to it) has almost 2k hours on Overwatch 2 but is unable to surpass bronze on roles. It's all about past experiences in gaming that will decide how easily you will be able to digest information in Overwatch

This is the problem with this game. They just don't want to add a basic tutorial on the modes to explain all those things and the basics of every character.

More people need to look at Awkward's unranked to GM series with a critical eye. That series ruins any low rated player it touches. "How to rank up as Bap is ignore your team, don't heal them until half health and, do damage, and use wall for yourself" The average silver player doesn't have the aim to make their most effective attribute their damage, they aren't tracking their team well enough to reactively heal players they've let get low, and can't either identify an excellent wall angle or clutch up on aim enough to make it more valuable than letting your DPS shoot through it. If they could do that, THEY WOULDN'T BE BRONZE OR SILVER. Brother at this point just go play DPS. You're not ranking up as a support anymore, you're ranking up as Bap76. If you can't keep a bronze team healed while taking a moment to focus down value targets with your aim, you're exactly at the rank you deserve to be. I absolutely hate Awkward's content.

Ow2 is also the first fps I really dug into. I have 1k+ hours and I am still fairly average. I know abilities and stuff but the big thing is clutch factor and i am not capable of carrying with essentially bots. I can play my comfort picks at the level of my rank but if I havd a Mercy one trick dying on cooldown... yeah gl.

For the most part, the sentiment in this video is well placed. I've always been curious about how new players approach Overwatch and their perception of it. Some things I don't quite agree with like having a video explain the reaper versus sombra matchup. In the grand scheme of things, something specific like reaper having 20m range versus sombra can overload new players with information that is better off learnt through playing the game. When you fight reaper as sombra you'll learn that "oh when I get close to the reaper he does tons of damage to me." It's information that for a portion of players is useful, but can be gleaned from going through that experience of playing the game. What do you think will stick with a player more? Getting information that reaper's gun is 20m and sombra's is 35m or dying to reaper again and again to learn how to adapt to fight him. Providing general concise information to a beginner player and allowing them to experience the game without overloading them with information that they will forget anyways imo is a much better option. From there, you can provide higher level theory and strategies, things that videos are great at. However, I will admit that this style of learning might not be for everyone, and that yes, content creators should do a better job of providing useful updated information especially to new players. If I want to know what the basics of a hero are and how what their basic playstyle is, there should be a concise video that explains it. Heroes that have been out since launch have outdated guides that while still helpful, contain information that is no longer relevant for new players. What's even more important, I think, is providing new players with a macro understanding of the game. Yes, knowing how to 1v1 a reaper is useful, don't get me wrong, but knowing when to engage with emp in tempo with your team being able to followup, tracking their ults to know what counters your emp or what you can counter with emp, knowing how your team composition favors what playstyle you should play on sombra. These are all specific things for sombra that rely on a greater understanding of the game. You'll never be a great sombra, or any other hero in Overwatch for that matter, without understanding the larger game. How to express this importance to beginner players? Well that's another question entirely. Edited for spacing.

This is the thing with such a complicated game, most of it is trial and error where new players are told to (for example) position better, or all the numbers and information about the heroes they play that most players in the lower ranks either don't know or don't really bother to learn themselves and just want to shoot at the next moving thing in front of them. Hell, I recently found out that Moira has a lifesteal to her secondary fire and it's an example of the trial an error I mentioned already, there really isn't much in the game itself that tells you about these little things to a hero as simple as Moira for example. enough yapping, this is a great video that many people, like myself currently, can relate to

I’ll add - three very good streamers who provide actual instruction are: Awkward, Niandra and the very, very underrated HolyShitKid who is so good he even convinced me to take up Mercy who I thought I would never want to play. Those three are a wealth of information.

ive been thinking about making a guide of sorts to friends of mine in lower elo, for the exact reasons you said on video. if you have any ideas on what i should do pls tell me

You're completely right, actually. Overwatch desperately needs new player content. Heck, I played OV 1 and recently jumped back into it and I need it as well. "Just play and you learn" doesn't really apply if the game has so many moving parts that you cannot isolate a vartiable to figure out if you do things right or wrong. I am also a working adult with a life, I simply do not have the time. This visdeo hits the nail on the head, well done.

I really appreciate this video. As a masters tank/support. My gold support main friends seeing stuff I assume is common knowledge is suprising. Like ones a ana main and they didnt know ana had a setting that makes it so you have to confirm nano. This guy has been playing since 20 18. But like this common thing just never made it's way to him.

Im curious. Do you know of the f1 key? Im not implying that its some magic button that solves are your complaints in this video. Im wondering if its something you have discovered yet.

Since we are all sharing easy to miss information, Bap's widow can amplify healing that goes through it. Idk if it applies to mercy/Moira/Lucio or if it's just projectile healing though.

idk, took me 5 seasons to hit diamond and i have average aim. the guides teaching you guidelines are what you should be listening to. for example, the best positioning is dynamic positioning, there are obviously some generally strong positions you can be stationed, but it will only work for so long until the game changes and it isn't a strong position anymore. there is no single way to play the game, if you really want to learn, watch somebody and take notes, in your case fitzy would be great

not gonna lie I think some lol did help me in overwatch and understanding its mechanics not saying im a average player still new but the tank basically assassin(tracer and sombra genji etc" and adc like solder helped me to position better as a support whose used to be one shot

It makes sense. The game encourages BAD GAMEPLAY. As soon as the game starts the characters you play say STOP THE PAYLOAD. So the players have developed bad habits as a result. Having ult charge gives you incentive to play in front of the doors as they open!! Causing risky plays that can results in deaths. Did you know that 80% of games are won by whoever gets the first pick!!! People are also so bad at teaching. It took years for me to find anyone saying shoot anyone but the tank!

The thing about ow2 is that it’s actually way less complex than ow1. They have added many things, like HARD COUNTERS (FUCK YOU BLIZZARD), and all-in-one supports, that the game has become so much more brain dead and rock paper scissors based.

I think you have a point but if let's say you make a comprehensive sombra guide with the fall off range and match up tips and whatnot this most likely will be outdated in the next 2 updates and i truly believe that nee players should focus on one character and with time they'd understand most abilities and if you don't want to wait just go to the practice range and check them out, the problem here is that the game doesn't actually describe the abilities in detail for example hanzo's storm arrows can bounce once it wasn't always able to bounce that was later added in a balance patch you'd also have to consider reworks and whatnot, overwatch definitely suffers from the same issues fighting games have since both don't explain too much.

Heya! Tysm for the vid! ^^ I've been playing this game on & off since release and it's *not* easy to get into; You are right regarding the fact that there isn't a lot of 'basic knowledge' content regarding overwatch, however, content creators are also right in saying that "everything is situational": To most of the questions you pose in this video as an example, there isn't a clear cut answer since the outcome is really dependent on map, playstyle, teamwork, ability cooldowns etc... Regarding 5 minute guides & specific hero matchup videos: It would be great if those videos existed even when the solution proposed to dealing with a certain hero doesn't *always* work; Those kind of videos would take weeks, months to make (see KarQ: 1 tip for dealing with every Hero) but if you'd decide to make those videos that'd be great; I'm sure some people in the OW community would be willing to help you with that if you pokle around a bit (This includes me). Regarding videos that are Hero AND Map specific: Those videos would, again, be great, even if each individual video might not have a big target audience: I can imagine it being incredibly hard to make a video for a certain hero, explaining where and how to position while keeping in mind each possible hero the enemy might be playing in any given situation. (Which is why there are *very* few videos like that out there- I think the most 'well known' ones are for Hammond & lucio rollouts. If you are however inclined to outlining each map overall: where the health packs are, what flank routes exist, common heroes used on this map, etc... that would probably be easier or rather.. more manageable to produce & might be the type of video people new to overwatch would be looking for since, as you pointed out, there isn't much content that is actually very 'newcomer freindly'. Now matter if you choose to make videos in that direction or not at all- I hope they stay as interesting as this one! Have a nice day

5v5 is why its tuff for newbs. 6v6 was more forgiving

I made a friend through vs ai and its so funny as someone who has played since season 2 of OW to see some of the new player mistakes. He would only play Orisa and stay on point, he thought defending the point meant being on the point lmao

i mean im no pro or amazing player but ive made quick progress im almost gold and in about 15-20 hours of playing supports and i was bronze dps prior. i feel like the one thing that helped me rank up was A- i got a routine i played the map code VAXTA to practice aiming B- i learned about the 3 characters i play and when to switch for example, kiriko is great all around and suzu is amazing but due to her difficulty in certain situations sometimes its better for me to play brig if theyre playing dive, due to venture hard countering almost every support its something i gotta remember is that i can always just play brig into fighting dive or if im having an off day, i play baptiste when im dealing with fliers or if my team is struggling with taking space i can assist damage from afar. instead of focusing who does the most protecting of my team i also consider how will i live longer to continue assisting and sometimes switching to a character more suited for my team actually helps alot. and C- i learned how to fight and punish different playstyles which i struggle with still sometimes but, i try to think about how i can heal and fight and when fighting how to win against different people what there habits are and how i can take advantage of them ive beaten teams i shouldnt have just because they did some really bad mistakes i took advantage of. No guides tell you how to learn or practice these things your always forced to learn it on your own. to be honest the only reason i could was cause of my prior experience with games like paladins tf2 cod fortnite and smash bros. So as a new player with maybe a more casual past experience i couldnt imagine the difficulty learning this stuff even now i struggle the most with enemy habits and punishing it but i still try. i completely understand your experience i wish people explained more how to learn certain things or focused more on the basics of neutral- advantage- disadvantage- game and how to use different characters and what theyre best suited for how to time shit ect ect.

from what it sounds like, most guides dont cater towards what you consider to be valuable information. I think that in general, a lot of your problems stem from the fact you expect these guides to ANSWER stuff when (i know you hate this) it really and truly is all situational. I think you have some AMAZING ideas, like a guide breaking down every hero's interaction with another at a basic level for noobs. The problem is drawing the line at where noob information stops and become intermediate/advanced knowledge. There's no way to know. I am very interested in the idea of making a series for every character that breaks down their basic interactions with every other hero. Maybe like a "How to Kill Every Hero in OW2 as _____".

I think some of the things that led to the projectile hitbox changes are the instant speeds that your character can change direction with (strafing) and just the fact that the exaggerated character animations are actually just purely fucking insane and are really difficult to track. Add that to the pile of bullshit that raises the skill floor

I say siege is more complicated, but overwatch is definitely still tougher than CSGO yeah.

3:56 why are we worried about damage ranges in a sombra vs reaper fight, but not studying and learning the health bars of characters? I think you might have your priorities wrong

I still maintain the sombra needs deleting or another rework, but i had no idea that Pharahad another mobility ability (my keys were remapped and had no idea it had been added)

who would want to master in a dead game. a real good player doesn’t need much knowledge to win

Yeah, 100%. I first started playing Overwatch right when I started college. I guess I started gaming IN GENERAL at that time too. It wasn't just about learning the heroes and the game, it was also about really "basic" gaming things that I just didn't know, because I had LITERALLY gone my entire life never playing a single video game, ever, other than Minecraft, which was mostly on an iPad growing up. The concepts I would say are really basic now... like... shotguns not doing damage across the map went over my head completely. I would walk right into enemy fire, not because I thought it was a good idea, but because I wasn't thinking much of it at all and I simply had no frame of reference for how I should move. I would assume defending the point meant standing slap on the objective while my team was fighting and obliviously wondering why they were leaving my squishy self to defend. 💀 I've had it for a bit now, and I'm still in mid-bronze, and not without effort. My low rank is kinda deserved, though. I can only reliably play ONE character. I believe I can play them well, but my rank reflects if my character is taken, because then I'm testing out what keys do what for a different character with negligible playtime in spawn in a comp game. I would like to learn more characters, but it's still an information overload to this day, and I'd like to get it hammered down on at least one hero before I move on.

I can't say for real what's the best or the worst about how to learn the game, since I've basically discovered by myself while playing and learning through patch notes. There is many ways get known about your character and I think that the first thing to do is: Read. Just a quick google "Overwatch 2 Sombra Skills" will do, read the Blizzard page and you'll know the basics, watch a game of someone playing sombra, and later watch a guide to understand why that youtuber played like this (Or at least try to). Its understandable how easily is to become overwhelmed with information, and the worst thing is trying to rush. If the person in question doens't understand what its was meant to do, then its worthless to explain the champion. Why to not play some games to understand what everything does and watch a guide later? Even if the scoreboard get some reds, its just normal to do so, but if "My board is 6W/12L, I wasted my time" is a thing, then I can't relate with anything, since I play for fun. (Yep, I can't stand on competitive, too much venom for my blood). Its like trying to play chess for the first time, even after watching guides, you won't be able to understand all the variables, only after playing and thinking that you'll get used to take decision.

I swear this platform is listening to my conversations in the background coz I was just teaching one of my friends how to get into Overwatch 🤣 I've been a Day 1 Ow1 player so a lot of things are just second nature to me but you really opened my mind to the newer player experience. I think the reason Content Creators don't focus on the kits and jump into how to play them is because their numbers are always bound to change through buffs, nerfs and reworks so you don't need to know what it does you just need to know how to use it. Like how they reverted the armour changes where it subtracts a flat 5 damage from your total damage but if a character does less than 10 per shot, it reduces the damage by 30%. And when you get into the nitty gritty of characters, it may become too overwhelming for a new player to follow along. However, I do see the point you're making and honestly, we do need a bit more "Kit Overview" type content (like what you did at the end) to ease players in to picking up the character. Well, thats enough rambling from me, have a wonderful day my friend!

Lovely rant. Gave me two good chuckles with the Mercy-Roadhog + 1:55 "What do the high ranking players do then? Well, if I could tell you I wouldn't be a Gold player." 😂 Though in all honesty, I've kinda been thinking about how I could make a noob friendly guide on "How to get out of the metal ranks as a TikTok Moira". I've been a tank player in the past, and it kinda gave me a new challenge on how to carry games as Moira, and it's not very intuitive what you have to do (because the game's psychological feedback rewards immediate healing or damage). I think it could be interesting since it's would be a guide on what I actually had to do to rank up, and how to approach Moira's kit.

It also doesn't help the fact that there's a lot of honestly elitist on this game, the second you say a "bronze opinion" you're already not worth listening to, like, I don't like how moira can get away with doing so many dumb shit but the second I say that people will just assume I am a dogshit Bronze/silver player, it's a worse version of dark soul's get good mentality, except people actually think it's a valid argument in overwatch

Well, no matter how complex OW became. No FPS will be harder to learn than R6 Siege. That's all i needed to say. Nice video

May i ask why the yellow color? JUst curious cause ive seen it commonly for the opposing team

this inspired to me to continue making 3 minute intro guides to heroes inspired by the 3 minute league videos, I made one for ashe that tells you everything about her kit. I don't know if these type of videos are useful for beginners because It can kinda just be like information dumping.

Knowing rate of fire and dmg per second is about as equal as knowing the range of characters. These are specific things you are actively looking for to learn and get better. The reason why people don't make full guides is because it would take hours just to cover map layouts. It would take even more hours to cover 1 character for every map layout, not taking into account who you're going against which changes your play style. The reason why there will always be a gap is because people choose to not seek the information, not that the guides aren't good. The wikis cover a lot of the specific numbers of every abilities, while guides cover general knowledge. Its nearly impossible to cover every single situation without the videos being over 20+ hours.

Ur making a lot of engagements without thinking

Bro you make how to videos for new players. you got this fam

Hmm, you make a good point my dude. I think there needs to be gold/plat level players that know a lot of surface level knowledge making content that is extremely basic for the new players, but is often skipped over in most guides b/c it's assumed that the viewer already knows. Maybe I'll start making that type of content myself. I'm a plat/diamond player, but I could def. teach that level of content.

i think knowing the basics and doing them consistently is enoth for most people akward's tracer unreankt to gm helped me climb to masters after one tricking tracer for a week it helped me because you see everything he does you can stop and think "ou man i would have done that and probably died" and he focuses on the basics very much + vod review you're self after a game You felt you did all you could and realise how you forgot to take highground there and were shooting tank for to long etc. maybe watch the pov of the enemy. i over analyse gm players gameplay sometimes to learn watching couching vid of you're rank helps to (Spilo couching)spilo does a good job with all that.

only blizzard would make a hero shooter and not post tutorials for the heroes

I litterly have like 10 hours of sombra And only today i knew that hey hacking skill could be Inturpted.

And then there's people like me who are stuck in Silver but feel like they know enough that they should be able to climb to a higher rank than they currently are... sometimes I wonder if I should just only play Soldier to force myself through Blizzard's stupid "forced 50-50" nonsense.

You need to think about overwatch like a fighting game. I mean really, think street fighter or smash bros, but 3d and 5v5. The general advice is actually good advice but if you're not familiar with the character you're using, it will be very hard to apply it because the way each character wants to go about the fundamentals is different. In these kinds of games, you need to stick with one character until they start making sense, and learning a character is also the best way to learn how to play against them. In this way, the game presents you with knowledge checks and skill checks simultaneously at a blistering pace. If you like being mentally stretched to your limit, overwatch is heaven due to the sheer amount of information you need to act on all at once, moment to moment. It's literally impossible to convey to a newcomer because the knowledge doesn't work for you until you've internalized it to the point of it becoming instinct. Just think about the number of potential team compositions in role que. It's tens of thousands, and not everyone plays each character the same way. That sort of thing can't simply be distilled and passed on. Its a numerical impossibility. You just have to put in the hours. You need to make mistakes and get good at learning from them.

Thats true my friends also said that they find overwatch also more match-up based compared to apex which is more skill based. Thats why they rather play apex than ow😅

The reason unranked to gms are so popular is because they get a lot of views and longform content pays off more due to algorithm changes these days, also sombras EMP deletes shields from existence, you showed in your footage it deleted the symmetra wall, it also works with things like mauga cage fight and i think regular hack can stop ults like sigma gravitic flux, little hard to do sometimes since sigma is usually high up in the air during his ult. I wish OW would just provide all the numbers in game instead of being om the wiki and stuff like that, i get new players wouldn't make much use out of it but for people that care and want that information would be nice to have it, also whenevr trying out a new char people need to check their specific control options cause some of them have stuff not turned on by default, i know backwards wallride for lucio wasn't turned on by default for a while.

I think your video has some conflicting ideas or requests. For example you want to know things like falloff distances, bullet spreads and indepth ability knowledge, but then you even say that you don't know what to do with all that information as a new player. I think you said something about knowing Reapers falloff range, but in reality it doesn't matter. Only that if he is in your face you'll get oneshot and beyond that he tickles you. You can't get this game solved for you in a nice 5 minute highly edited video. You can learn the absolute basics that way, but I've learnt the most from those 40+ min unedited videos, because the game is complicated, you need to take the time to understand the situation and the underlying problem. New players don't need this if they're just here to have fun. Higher ranked players just do everything slightly better than lower ranked players. There is not much to solve, it's just small things building up. 2:30 you described that video to have only situational tips, yet your next sentence is that you want specific situational tips? It's impossible to cover every unique situation. That's why general advice works better. I feel like you also did some of the same "mistakes" that you described others doing in your own Sombra guide section. You left out IMO pretty important parts like how EMP destroys barriers and some abilities or that the translocator cleanses you. This also gives no general goals, strength or weaknesses for Sombra on how to play her. That's what the 40+ min vod reviews are for. It's OK to not know everything instantly as efficiently as possible. It's OK to put some effort into learning and mastering something, because the game is hard.

i learned it to a high diamond level, only really starting to grind it in S3

Overwatch 2 is also just a chaotic game. So many little things happen all the time. As a player you need to figure out what's important in that chaos. Also the fact that every hero plays differently makes it a lot more difficult to build a solid foundational skillset as a player. The game also requires incredibly quick reactions in the heat of the moment. Like you said every single second matters in this game and a single mistake can lose you the match. Also i'd say movement is a VERY important factor in this game. It makes you harder to hit and improves your aim.

Tutorials for this game actually suck ass, its just information overload so a lot of the time I just learn stuff on my own and that's gotten me to plat and close to diamond but I always get stuck in support role q probably mostly for my mechanics and positioning but like a lot of ppl say a lot of the average folk are in gold and a lot of em don't care or try to learn their characters!

Thing is, I feel like I know a lot of 'tiny' and small shit about the game like the Moria orb, kiri cleanse, ana nade... like thats honestly basic knowledge you should be able to get while reading hero details im actually surprised people in high ranks dont know that shit and here I am in silver lol

What you are saying about short videos explaining how abilitis works is in the game in text form, in the first overwatch they also added videos, but it seemed useless to everyone, I think that's why they removed them at all

what bit rate are you recording in son?

I have played this game for 7 years, currently hovering around the bottom of top 500 tank. It's so hard to think about what the community would really need to learn because its literally just common knowledge to us. I think a guide just like the sombra one you did in the video could be so cool for people trying to learn new heroes. The content scene is made to mostly benefit the higher tier playerbase, and I never really thought about it.... for example, I can't watch flats gameplay as it actually hurts my soul, despite the fact he is a bit of a yappinator, he is not really very flashy and quite boring to watch, but flats is considered as a 'god' in the overwatch community, and in my opinion, gold players can resonate with what he is doing much more as they too are able to activate the principals in his gameplay. Just my take tho

Iam stuck in Gold cuz I also have to teach my brother and make calls for him while we play, its fun tho, and I definetly could get higher in solos but I wanna have this journey with him.

5:33 On top of that, Suzu also heals you, it increases the amount of healing you receive for a short time, while also making you non-physical, meaning a rein wil charge through you

I know how to fix OW2 and wide groups exposed it. Its not 5v5 or 6v6 either. The creators have been feeding you cope this whole time. The reason you don't see tutorials that work in OW 2 is because OW doesn't operate like a pvp competitive first person shooter. It operates like a "world first race" in an mmorpg done in first person mode.

some of this i actually thought was common knowledge..... im an OW vet though so I've been through all these changes that have happened and kept up with them, if i was coming from zero (or very old) knowledge, I'd probably be in the same position as you and not even realize it.