@@toomuchtruth He even say's himself he's not a very intelligent person and he struggles, he's where he is from hard work and taking the time to pause and think. It comes out in his speech but it's hardly annoying when he's trying to give advice and knowing people are going to pick apart his wording so he's speaking carefully. More people should learn to do the same to be honest.
You're not only missing the point of the message of what this podcast Jocko Willink is explaining about. War is not a game. People physically die in war. Death and violence are the dark side of people. Respect, mercy, forgiveness, love, loyalty, fairness, honor, saving lives, helping people is inspirational.
I recently heard a doctor say the only thing they teach in med school is how to be minimally competent enough not to kill everyone u treat. Its the OTJ experience that makes u good.
Stop acting like Jocko is some superhuman if he was he would come up behind me and smash my face into my keyboardowheiejeho1iedjqoowjshdjwksnwuowndbdjwokavdheieivdjskwksjjd
T Loki haha if you would actually read his book you would know that he can’t talk about his missions he was on bc they are still classified. Not every Seal can talk about there jobs and missions bc of how classified they are. He also became a Navy recruiter for the Seals. For Goggins it wasn’t the job but a way for him to change, he loved the Seals but what he did and where he was at for missions may not be known for 15 years from now, or we’ll never know. Don’t trash someone if you haven’t actually read their book, even in podcasts he says he can’t talk about his deployments. You actually have to pay attention and use your ears.
Being a mechanic in the Navy for about a decade. It got really old having “BUDS duds”, tell me about their BUDS experience and why they didn’t like being mechanics.
Smokey Spur I’ve met guys who failed BUDS and then Aircrew school! I’m thankful they were in other commands. That’s some next level but hurt, they’d have to have.
Ever see a broken combat vehicle or machine fix itself? Me neither. Behind the scenes services are just as needed as the tip of the spear for the tip to be worth a damn. Thanks for your service, brother.
They were talking about it on twitter, David said that he respected jocko for being a great commander and jocko said they could figure it out. Guess they couldnt? No problem, each is it's own man and is fueled by something different, both have good lessons to teach.
@SSPspaz 100% and every time I comment that on a video (especially Rogan videos) people loose their shit. And wanna gush about hoe amazing he is. I always say the same thing, "have you ever heard a SEAL say anything good about him". And they can not comprehend that if youre healthy enough to run marathons and want everyday to be like BUDs then youre healthy enough to go on a combat deployment. But everyone who served with him will tell you he ducked out on combat deployments for "medical" reasons. These same people dont understand that there are SEALs with multiple deployments that never fired their weapon. (Mike Ritland always says this) but people wanna think every SEAL is a DEVGRU door kicker. Not to sound like a dick and MUCH RESPECT to our Military/SEALs?Spec Ops guys
Generally the easiest way to spot someone who hasn’t done anything yet or never did anything in their career is constant talk of their initial training.
Frank Palmer Goggins’ Seal team was stuck in Asia just doing training ops for most of the wars. He only had a little time in Iraq, and was having his heart problems then
Before going to Army Officer Candidate School, I asked a friend how hard it would be. He said "OCS is nothing. Wait till your first Combat Deployment trying to complete mission and get your Soldiers home. You'll think OCS was nothing". In reflection 10 years later, he gave me some of the best professional advice a Peer could provide. Good podcast.
Jocko surprises me at every turn. Because he looks a certain way, I was a victim of reading a book by its cover. I always expect him to say one thing, and then he talks... and it blows me away. I truly enjoy Jocko. I like what he's made of. I may not be pro war... but I am pro soldier! He's pretty solid in integrity and in his flexibility. I enjoy listening to him. I never thought I would. He's so smart (not that soldiers are not), but I've met life soldiers, who make full time careers out of the military. Theres a certain way about them(once again not stupid, just different). Jocko breaks the barriers, he is the man I would want making big decisions. Jocko wakes up and pisses excellence. I love it!
“Bushido is realized in the presence of death. This means choosing death whenever there is a choice between life and death. There is no other reasoning.” ― Yamamoto Tsunetomo, Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai
Being raised in a multi generational military family. With much experience in all facets of it. I was pretty much told the same thing While in the army It seems many of my natural abilities were noticed , and the urging began. Consulting numerous cousins , uncles and my one grandfather. I finished my enlistment and went to college. I can only appreciate what was discussed here. Too many people join for the wrong reason And recruiters will tell you whatever you want to hear to sign you up.
Thanks for saying that. I’m an electricians mate in the navy, my dad was a marine in desert storm. After watching this I realized I don’t have the willingness to kill or die but that’s ok. That’s not what I’m on this earth for. Still I pay my respects to these legends
I think the thought by many young men mostly is "I wanna do that training" but what they are leaving unsaid is "...to prove to myself or others I'm more then what they think or I think I am." I encounter this often in the sniper community. I get asked by guys what the trainings like because they want to go. I tell them there are two types of Snipers- One type loves the job and works hard at it. The other type just wants to be able to go to the bar and tell people he's a sniper.
I don’t need ur training or the military to be ready to kill or die if someone brought it. I grew up gay and different in the hood. enough said. I had it way before 18. that’s why I hate hearing people brag in public. if I hear them bragging I leave the area and no way I’d be friends with them. I do strength feat vids not for a following but just for fun and the trolls have no idea who they’re talking shit to . I think they’re finally getting it tho...all because I don’t wear how I really am on my sleeve. because I have humility and wasn’t raised like them . “ kill yourself “ “ go join ur dead mother in hell” blah blah blah ...u understand me ? I don’t care what people do as long as they stay out of my way . the end.
I always have wanted to be in the military specially in SF but my parents hate war and are also anti Americans so I do partially want to join SF because I can show I’m more powerful or more determined and motivated than they think I am
I'm active duty Navy, and this just seems like any Sailor in any rate that doesn't want to talk about their A-school. It's decent conversation for the first few weeks you arrive at your first command, but at some point you just move on. I can't imagine how irritating it is for a SEAL to be asked about their A-school so often, because it's a subject of public fascination. Or worse, a SEAL that wants to exploit that.
Jocko nailed this Question. It's harder to stay on a Spec Ops team than it is to go through the Initial training. The process to be a Green Beret and Seal is a long process too .
This is profound! I was in the Army years ago and we talked about going to Ranger school constantly. We had no idea of the battalion commitment. It's enough challenge just to hump in the regular freaking infantry. Thank you for this video. It's fantastic.
What some of the SF operators said about going through harsh selection courses, was that it was the hardest thing they ever did, up until that moment. The 18 months of training and career that followed was way harder.
There was never a need to compare selection training with anything else. It’s all part of your career and experience. Jocko is just dumping his baggage on us. But if I wanted to be disagreeable, then i could say your transition from civilian life to Navy life is just as significant as any other part of your career, if not more.
For you guys saying “he’s taking shots at Goggins” he’s not. Jocko doesn’t seem like the guy to send subliminal messages and Goggins speaks on way more than just his 3 BUDS experiences. I think those are the clips that just get the most views
David Goggins talks about it because it literally changed him mentally forever. Jocko doesn't like to about it because it has nothing to do about military or anything about how it's really like to be in the military. Two different points imo.
Totally fucking awesome, and very well said. During my entire time in service, or since, I have never heard someone so very well encapsulate the realities of military service better than you did in these 7 minutes. This is why you remain one of my most highly respected mentors.
Great insight, focusing on the eventual job, not the training. Few people say “I always dreamed of going to medical school.” It’s more about being a doctor. I’m more and more impressed with Mr. Willink the more I hear of him. Cheers.
@@berto316life4 c'mon man. He spoke on this before and stated that people who only talk about BUDS didn't have anything else going. There is no shortage of these full bearded former SEALs on RU-vid telling BUDs stories and spooning advice to make it through.
12jmlnv7 it’s a niche bro. Lots of guys in the last 20 years can talk about all sorts of funfights and blah blah blah. They’re selling fitness and training. It’s a niche. Chill.
Damn Jocko, I couldn't agree more with what you said! I myself went into training for this reason... And. I made it! and when i was in the teams after training i was totally lost and didnt know what to do with myself... I was so miserable, now i found my drive back and i'm currently trying to become an army P.A. and i'm loving it! I think most guys want to be in the spec ops teams because of being compentative and the Seals/ special forces are the highest of the high in their, and also my eyes at the time, but a word of advice for you still reading this. There are other ways to be just as competative! You dont have to succeed through these trainings to be 'the best' there are other fields you might enjoy way more and you can be just as competative in!
Jocko please keep doing what you're doing and we will always support you by however we can. Please don't stop. And I'm not being nice to you, it's just that you deserve it so much and way more. Salute hero!
I can't remember if it was 06 or 07 but I remember being at the shop on Shark base in Ramadi and the new team had just come in.I remember seeing Jocko setting his stuff down and was like "damn he looks like he means business"Just had the look about him. Just a passing by and didn't give it much thought after that.Here we are in 2020 and this same guy is popping up on my recommend vids and I see what kind of guy he is. Keep the vids coming brother,I like the message you're putting out.The best time of my life was supporting the teams.
I know BUDS is the entrance exam, but I think people focus on it because passing usually means you're exceptionally mentally tough and athletic. People need a baseline to shoot for to get to that next level.
When you see an injured soldier taking fire and you run into that street while your fellow soldiers cover you and bullets are whizzing by you to pull that soldier to safety. That's bravery and that willingness to die I think he means. That shit ain't easy no one truly know what thel do in that situation until your in that situation.I.give so much respect to people who have went to war its 100% more nerve racking then we see on TV and remembering your training and keeping your nerves under control is all you can do.Be confident and aggressive yet strategic fast and intelligent at the same time. Easier said then done and some people have that in them more then others for sure .Hearing the power and sound of powerful rifles and having the courage to shoot back and face that is another level of nerve control.Our Armed forces are Heroes.Taking plane and helicopter rides to another side of the world to possibly face evil and engage in combat. Insane.Tough as nails forsure.100% brave
He makes a good point. When I was joining the Chair Force I had one mission if you will when I went to the recruiter. I just wanted to work on Fighter Jets. He responded what if you cant get that AFSC. I said call me when I can and Ill be ready to go. It always amazed me when they were handing out the career fields that people would go in open. Having no clue what they wanted to do or cared what they got.
I was in the army cavarly scout platoon and what he explained in the end happened in my unit for combat badges and rank promotions jus regular army shit.... jus small holes on ur chest
Truth said. I love how he repeats the question so he has more time to think of the correct response. His pause, is conformation and more people, myself included. Need to THINK before we speak.
The same thing with the fire service. There is a rude awakening the first time they have to go on a call at 0300 for a patient covered in their own filth. Its more than throwing ladders and squirting water on the training ground.
If anyone honestly thinks lesser of David Goggins because of his frequent mentions of his BUDS experience, they clearly have not actually invested the time into reading about or listening to his story. He mentions it frequently because the mental trials that he went through changed him fundamentally at his core. Constant injuries and medical conditions hindered his success and forced him to undergo the training 3 times, circumstances that I am sure would have deterred many other men did not deter him. The resilience that he teaches is something that has changed the lives of many, just as Jocko has done with his constant discussions about discipline that no one here seems to have a problem with, and rightfully so. And, given that these questions are clearly handpicked and prepared for, I would have expected more of Jocko than to throw shade at a man (Clearly he is aware of what he is doing) that he won't even bring onto his podcast to discuss his views. Goggins said a long time ago on Twitter that he would love to be on, its Jocko that is holding out apparently.
@@sbnwnc Rightly or wrongly. Jocko’s whole paradigm of a warrior is a soldier who deals with life and death in combat. From that perspective, Goggins has nothing to offer. What is he going to offer? That he can run 50 miles? That he can swim in cold water? So what would say Jocko. He is interested in the stories of soldiers like Patton, like Carlos N. Hathcock II, like Audie Murphy - men who lived the life between saving their owns lives and the lives of their brothers while dealing a death blow to another man wearing a different uniform.
@@davidchico9574 if that was truly the case then why have people like Jordan Peterson on? By that logic he has nothing to offer either, yet he had in on the podcast and it was huge. I'd more safely chalk it up to Jocko just being proud, and not in the good way.
@@ricardoamaya2500 I mean it is different I guess. Jordan Peterson is a psychologist and one of the very best at that so he has several things to offer about society and people as a whole. David Goggins is one of the hardest people on the planet but he is not a philosopher or a psychologist or any one else. He has his own stories which are very good indeed but not the kind which Jocko may be seeking.
Thank you for this interesting input, Jocko. It gives me a new perspective on joining the Army Rangers. I always thought that I have the will to kill but I was never sure about having the will to die. Maybe that will change when I build a bond between the brothers I will serve with and I’ll be willing to die. But I feel like right now I may not have that will. I’m not saying I’m reconsidering my decision to joining the Rangers. I think what I’m trying to say is I should get into that mindset of willing to put my life on the line. It’s tough and never thought of it much until now. So thank you again for that input.
Atreus T you can’t say you have the will to kill until your reticle is on a fuckers chest and your finger is pressing down on your trigger. None of us can until we’re put in that decision making process. Never the less I commend you on wanting to be a ranger. RLTW. Don’t make your decision on these wills. You’ll find out once your there is that position saying you have the will to kill while never have being put in that decision is the ultimate easier safe then done. Go get some and hopefully you make Ranger battalion some day.
I’m glad I heard someone differentiate the training from the job. Wanting to challenge yourself isn’t the same as wanting to kill and being willing to die.
@Truth Lives You're incorrect. Jocko and Goggins had very different experiences as Seals. Jocko risked his neck for his brother and country. Goggins was a recruiter and athlete.
Same reason Marines don't sit around talking about Parris Island. It is only the proving grounds. I wanted to shoot machine guns and blow sh*t up, so every day as guys dropped like flies, I understood quick... this is what I have to go through to get where I want to be and I did it.
I was in the Army for 10 years. After a few years in, the thing that drove me insane is when anyone asks about basic training or tried telling me their basic stories. When I was the motor Sargent I made a rule(especially for new individuals) that no one was allowed to talk about basic or AIT at the shop lol.
Great angle really good insight, years ago I read Soldier "I" SAS and that book put across the reality... to my mind of being in the military. It's a book that has excitment but also points out the down sides.
Never any fluff with Jocko, never! Always goes to the essence of things or whats the most important! Was completely real about the will to kill and the will to die and how it transcends all the hardcore training! Went straight into the essence of the serious reality that all commandos/warriors have to face ! Jocko always goes deeper then the surface level! True Substance!!!
Literally 1 million videos on BUDs, I’d imagine he is “why bother” there’s a documentary on it, up to a set point I’d imagine some training is classified.
The first minute nails it, I'm British and at the AFCO (Armed Forces Careers Office) only talk about the 32 weeks of commando training. To the point where I got my green beret and was like, now what? There isn't enough of 'look at the actual job'. People get to wrapped up in the initial training. It's my belief that there are people who do it to test themselves in training, and not for the the job.
When I got my parachutist badge at Benning (1971) the Black hats pinned us that way. "These are your blood wings." It's an Airborne tradition. I joined to serve with honor.
It’s like sitting at a bar and hearing someone in their late 30s talk about how great of an athlete they were in high school and all the great things he did in high school.
This is the perfect response to what Goggins said. "I was a Navy seal and I was part of them, but I'll never be part of the brotherhood". But I do feel there is some underlying jealousy or anger towards him, whether Jocko wants to admit it or not.
@@PG-rt7os You have to understand that Goggins his mission was not to become a SEAL per se, he wanted to become the hardest motherf*cker on planet earth, and to see what he is made of. And he thought that the SEALS would be the hardest motherf*ckers on earth, which a lot of them are, but at least just as much are not as hard as they make out to be.
Jared Toner I stand corrected. But from my military experience he has completely assimilated into officer culture. Goggins still has that grunt E-1-E-5 mentality in him. Just look at this video. Jocko doesn’t want to talk about BUDs because essentially he wants to control your perception regarding its significance. That’s just weird politician type shit.