Why July 8th does not prove the Earth is flat 

Does the Earth have a strong enough gravity to bend light, accounting for some light wrap that's not only occlusion of the atmosphere? Or is the light past the circumference (from the sun's vantage point) only provided by occlusion?

Of course Earth isn't flat, it is a make believe ball of spin. close your eyes and imagine. that's right, a ball, now go on, give it a spin and send it off into space. there we go, weeeeeeeee!!!! mind them flying pigs.

@@evolutionCEO I can't tell if you're making fun of flerfs and how they typically respond to questions like mine, or if you're a flerf trying to make fun of me for believing in what has been proven time and again, for thousands of years, that the Earth is, in fact, a spheroid...

Typical POS that needs to lie to everyone about what other people believe to get them to hate them as much as he hates them because they believe in something he's afraid of. It's why you are dying and the more you do this the sooner it will come.

@SwitchRoomCafe have fun with people, yes. make fun of people, no. i don't do that. there does come a time, however, when you have to decide whether you want your beliefs upheld or whether you want to know the truth. i am an empirical scientist. that means i have to see first hand evidence amounting to a body of proof, before i accept that something is true. water at rest is flat and level. that is an empirically testable law of our universe. we are not moving, is another. however, there is no point testing these things if you cannot release yourself from the need to believe.

I wouldn't hold my breath for an answer, can't explain in so either ignore it or change the subject.

I believe the standard answer is "You're a NASA shill, baller! Checkmate! Now where'd I leave that pack of tasty crayons...."

Since the beginning of time humans have had to deal with flat earthers Oh and folk who still think the Sun goes around the Earth

Flerfs never provide proof or even arguments for a flat earth, all they can do is try to argue against earth being a spheroid.

Brilliant point! They keep debunking themselves. But I guess logical, critical thinking isn't their strong suit.

nailed it.

Exactly my thought.

They don't stop to think that dry land is not evenly distributed on the globe, and humans are not evenly distributed on the dry land, because they've already reached their conclusion: Erf be flaaat!

@@ziploc2000 yep. The level of ignorance is astounding.

​@@ziploc2000It's not a conclusion, it's prejudice.

​@@GrauenwolfIf they let the sun actually set instead of circling above the earth 100% of the people either see the sun or 100% don't. There's no in-between.

And totally missing that 99% of the people *not* seeing the sun 12 hours later is even more impossible on a flat Earth. EDIT: I made the comment before seeing that the 99% include twilight - nevertheless, even with a slightly lower percentage, the discepancy remains valid. (Come to think of it, I think that writing "even more impossible" instead of just "impossible" is something that can be justified only in connection with flat Earth)

​@@Grauenwolfseems that you are one of those idiots who think you can see forever.. And across thousands of miles. Take a lighter in the night and the longest flat field you can find. Give the burning lighter to a friend and tell him to move flat above the field. At one distance you won't be able to see the lighter anymore. Even if it's totally flat. The circle lighted Part you could see before won't be there anymore, of course. Imagine being an ant seeing the lighter will have daylight and night after this Experiment. And will also be not able to see the lighter anymore.

Molepeople 🤔

@@hijtohema You mean 50% not 100%. A flat earth has 2 sides. A sphere has "infinitely" many sides, or, more accurately, no "sides".

That was my first thought too😂

Asia must be where all those milk carton kids went.

There was a popular visualizer that took a map and place a small blue circle that encompassed parts of China and most of India. And that small circle alone contained most of the human population alive, with most of the world and even much of Asia excluded.

They’re not alone. They have each other! 👫

And that 90% of people are in the northern hemisphere. In northern summer, the northern hemisphere is tilted towards the sun.

According to their model the Sun simply gets to far to illuminate certain areas. And yet they conveniently make it so the Sun magically lights up 50% of the surface making it's light projection a big semi-circle instead of a full circle like it would be in reality... Basically, if this is impossible on a round Earth it would be on insane levels of fiction on a Flat Earth

@blankvision2771 Uh... yeah...

@@Grauenwolf Shows that those ancient civilizations weren't as stupid as flerfs make them out to be - they *did* see that the sun not only goes below the horizon, but that it would have to move in an arc from where it rises to where it sets. Since their "world" was quite small, they could indeed guess that it was flat. But at some point they realized that the world was much larger than they originally thought, and that it won't work if it is flat. They didn't have Internet, WWW and RU-vid back then, so they could actually see and think for themselves … 😁

Something something refraction something perspective something magnetism.

​@@cadekachelmeier7251you forgot the punchline: *conspiracy!!!*

Why else do you think that the British call the Atlantic a ‘pond.’

Vast swathes of the globe are uninhabited, the polar regions, central Australia for example. 99% of the people does not equal 99% of the planet's surface

@@Neil070 Exactly, and that confusion right there is what the flat earthers are relying on when they say "it's not possible for 99% of people to be in sunlight at once!"

Yeah exactly. The Pacific is chuffing enormous. There's bits of the Pacific where, if you were to drill a hole through the middle of the Earth from it, the place you would emerge on the other side would ALSO be in the Pacific ocean. Something about being a mahoosive stretch of water doesn't lend itself to being a major population centre, I wonder why that could be?

Fun fact: there are places in the Pacific Ocean where you can tunnel straight down, directly through the center of the earth, and come out the other side, and you'll still be in the Pacific Ocean.

Don't forget that the sun is a star, and there are plenty of those visible at night.

Moon light is sun light

Or if it’s cloudy out.

@@GGhostStudios Oh, yeah - I forgot about weather conditions 😅

Even during a new moon you might see other planets and satellites reflecting sunlight ;-)

Here is the PROOF that everyone says we don't give. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5ChhJPLU-sg.html

I like Dave's approach to explain things to flerfers, most other channels only laugh at them, but their explanations are insufficient.

@@nightmareTomek Here are our insufficient explanations.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5ChhJPLU-sg.html Enjoy

It debunks the globe.

@@liftingtheveil8361 where's your model?

I am always in awe just how poor their understanding of geometry and physics actually is. To be completely frank, I'm amazed they aren't choking on their cutlery. They are just so mind-numbingly ignorant and often come across as 'I can't handle geometry/physics/big numbers, so therefore those who use geometry/physics/big numbers must be liars/Nasa shills/paid actors." I will never understand that attitude.

near the equator twilight is very short, in the northern latitudes it can be very long. not explainable on a flat earth.

They tend to misunderstand light in general

Of course not, it’s like fiery steeds coming back to the East via the Netherworld.

"“demonstrable realists”" LOL, I think you mean "“demonstrable flat Earthers too scared to admit being flat Earthers”

Yep, it took me a second or two to sort out '99% of the population, not 99% of the surface'. After that, I immediately knew that it had something to do with the twilight zones being just right to include the big landmasses on the Northern Hemisphere on each side.

hovering in a geostationary orbit above the centre of the Pacific, the planet appears to be >95% covered with water

​@@givmi_more_w9251the real shocking thing is that australia is less than 1% of earth's population. You tell me 87%, amd I'll believe you. 95% and I'll ask to see the map. 99%? Thats gotta be impossible. What about 'stralia? Turns out my preconceived notions about population density were... off.

Like modern democrats constantly hunting trump is it’s no success Note: I’m not a republican, I’m a libertarian

it seems to me that the conspiracy obsession is more central to them than the (pseudo)science

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5ChhJPLU-sg.html

yup they wont explain how seasons are possible, or the moon phases, the eclipses, the Coriolis effect, the tides, time zones, or why the north pole is cold, or even the south pole for that matter, or how gravity works according to them... or can they explain why planes travel lines look curved on the maps, etc... I'm sure they can try to explain some of those things, but they are most likely going to contradict themselves trying to explain two or three at the same time. So instead they go ahead and call you names and say everyone is lying...

Tbh, I think most flat earthers are just trolls and don't actually believe that the earth is flat.

They couldn’t tell you..

Ah, we know they don't have a flat earth model.

@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 What a surprise.

@@creamwobbly Ramen

magnetic declanation obviously

They ignore the fact that this phenomena is impossible on a flat earth (like many other phenomena). They are so obsessed with finding things to disprove the globe that they don't realize those very things do not work on their inexistent model

This is the number 1 absolute proof that the earth isn't flat, and I can't believe more flat earthers don't look into this: on a flat earth, the sun will ALWAYS be visible. Regardless of size or distance, by definition if the earth is flat then the sun would always be above the horizon, making night time impossible anywhere. Even if the sun were so small as to be no larger than a city, if it's on the other side of the flat disc it would still appear as a point source of light above the horizon. But we don't ever see the sun as a point source above the horizon, it dips below it which completely annihilates the flat earth model. Whichever one you pick.

Well also, depending on the disproof of course, if one thing happens to be wrong or not make sense that wouldn't invalidate the globe nor prove flat earth. Flat earthers would still have to disprove most of the other phenomenon. They will never be able to though, obviously. And.. also just ignore that the moon and Mars are spherical. Oh wait, they will just ban you from their chat because those aren't real XD

Well they are never going to talk about the time that this is the opposite, not as ‘dramatic’ given the populations that live around India and China, where the summer is in the south. This is something that really doesn’t work on the AE map given that the whole edge has to be lit up while the middle has to be dark. This is why so many of them won’t commit to a map as they know no matter which one they pick it’s not going to work. So they resort to going to just word games.

@@glitch1182 The "best" attempts at explaining this are something about the sun being a "spot light" which weirdly looks circular regardless how high or low it is unless it starts to vanish behind the horizon and even more weird, never changes angular size OR some other special pleading why the sun gets to behave unlike any other source of light OR a "we don't know what it is". Of course, the fact that parts of the world can have sunlight for 24 hours while another part can have 24 hours of darkness, the change in the length of day etc would require the sun to change speeds and orbits to work. This is just the thing with any attempts at a flat earth model: You CAN explain one or two things at once but then everything else does not fit. So instead of thinking "well, we better should do some of this research and create a model that works" it's always "but whatabout this one thing I don't quite understand / misrepresent in the globe model, this must mean your model doesn't work so my idea must be correct!" That is like saying "my car isn't where it is supposed to be, I think my wife took it" "No, I think it developed wings and flew away" "Well, I called my wife, she didn't take it" "SEE! I was right, it flew away!"

If they went quiet, then they don't know how to flerf. The correct response is to complain about something else and declare victory because you didn't prerefute it

Are you Team Edward or Team Jacob?

@@muskyoxesit’s either silence or “nuh uhhhhhhh lalala can’t hear you evil NASA reptilian!” 😂

Really ??? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5ChhJPLU-sg.html Here is how quite we are.

It is not about the amount of people it is about the amount of the globe that would have to be in some sort of sunlight for this to happen. This video presentation proves that earth is not a sphere as otherwise the would happen every day of the year (only the very bottom of a globe would be in darkness as seen in the presentation) and it would be the same every day.

Yep! Gotta lie to flerf...

Since the beginning of time humans have had to deal with flat earthers Oh and folk who still think the Sun goes around the Earth

@@TheSandman. The modern phenomenon of flat earth is strictly an anglo-saxon creation, with the vast majority of its elements residing in America. Though you can still find a few individuals of the sect here and there, the rest of the world is virtually flat earth free. So it is not without some irony, that the more "evolved" (according to them) nation of the planet also contains the most idiotic of people. The flat earth phenomenon is borne out of the piss poor state of american education, that allows clueless kids to exit high-school and college dumber than when they went in, and still awards them a degree! Having said that, they do provide endless and copious amounts entertainment. 🤣

@@TheSandman. Take a photo of sun spots every hour from "sunrise" to "sunset" with a DSLR camera, arrange them in chronological order, then explain how the perspective movement view of the sun spots from your observation point throughout the day could possibly happen on a globe rotating in one direction at a constant speed considering they move slightly as it approaches including anti clockwise aswell as clockwise, make a clear circling rotation then move only slightly again as it moves further away and only a total of 90 degrees. Explain that on your ball earth.

@@craftinghome The sun is all the proof you need that the earth is flat.

I also relatively recently learned that. And to be honest, given that it's not really noticeable to the casual observer, I guess our ignorance can be forgiven. It's not like the night looks much brighter now that I'm in NRW compared to when I lived in Munich. Light pollution alone makes that impossible, anyway.

@@givmi_more_w9251 ha, I live in NRW, too🤣. But I lived on Wangerooge for the most part of my youth and it was a bit noticeable.

I grew up in Scotland, and I remember as a child noticing that the night sky only ever got dark blue in summer. Fortunately, I took the time to study astronomy to get the right explanation, rather than pulling one from whatever hole flat earthers get their ideas from.

It even happens in northern UK, When it's not raining that is.

They may call it "night", but it really feels like twilight for hours and hours on end when I visited Germany. Now I know how all the zombie movies filmed in England managed to have completely deserted city streets during the "day" (they filmed those broad city shots at 3am during twilight).

yep.... & it's not even 99% of Earth's surface, but 99%of the population.... it's just something else that they can't grasp.

@@jamescollins8397 exactly! The date matters because there aren’t any people in the middle of the gigantic pacific waters.

I thought grades 2 through 12 were what people like LEO missed.

LEO is NOT "missing" it. He is purposedly IGNORING it. Just like he has delete frames in a few videos,to match his claims. He's just another flat-earth conman...

People like LEO don't "miss" things like this, they deliberately ignore / misrepresent / lie about them.

FE're are good at three things... lying and counting

@@tjjones621 that implies that you're one

@@Rev_Erser I was quoting a fe'r. It's called a reverse troll. :)

​@@tjjones621They can only count to 20. Not sure why.

Don't forget Europe too, Afro-Eurasia has a population some 6.7 billion in total, 54% of the total landmass but 86% of the global population. Thus you hit that 86% with trivial ease pretty much every morning (UTC time) since that entire landmass is illuminated then. Well in the summer anyway in the winter portions of Northern Siberia don't get it when the rest does. But then that doesn't account for a lot of people as the population density up there is not exactly high as frozen Tundra is not the most productive land for farming and the infrastructure is lacking for many other sources of employment with the exception perhaps of mining.

​@@seraphina985and it also manages to get most of the Americas in twilight as well. Really the only large population centers in night are found in Australia and even some of it is in twilight.

It's less a matter of where the population *is*, and more a matter of where the population *isn't*. As pointed out, only a small fraction of the population lives in the Pacific Ocean, yet the Pacific Ocean is a massive portion of the Earth's surface area.

Larry Niven did the same thing in a short story, except it was Jupiter that got brighter.

@@kevinmccarthy2793 No it was the moon. The story was called Inconsistant Moon . The later brightening of Jupiter (after the delay caused by the distance involved) was confirmation.

thats a really fucking scary scenario... you got hours left to seek shelter for an unknwn time...

There's a Stephen Baxter novel that opens with Venus suddenly detonating into a ball of fusion-fire. It ends with humans colonizing the moon with the Earth as a second sun.

@@S1nwar The protagonist ends up having one last wild party.

In hindsight how good was their estimate of atmospheric thickness?

​@@vksasdgaming9472 From 'A Popular Introduction to Astronomy' by W. Jevons, Junr. Published 1847, Page 39, less than a year after the discovery of Neptune (for the discovery of which he has a devoted section). Quote: "The height of the atmosphere is approximately known from the duration of twilight, for twilight arises from the illumination of the higher regions of the atmosphere when the sun is below the horizon, and it is evident that the higher the atmosphere is, the lower may the sun be before we lose his light reflected from the upper strata. Now it is found that twilight begins and ceases when the sun is about 18 degrees below the horizon, which requires that the atmosphere should be about 50 miles high." end quote. On this page NASA lists the atmosphere as about 60 miles thick ( www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/atmosphere.html ), so they were pretty close 200 years ago with just observation and calculation. Cheers

so about 7 or 8 generations have been born, raised, and schooled since that book was published, and instead of a knowledgeable populace, we are still stuck with flerfers, anti-vaxxers etc

​@@DrWhomThat's is not solely the fault of the education system. In USA, for example, it's being systematically sabotaged, and have been for a long time, because intelligent educated people can make educated decisions about their future, which is bad for the late-stage capitalism. Also, some people may decide that scamming gullible people by pretending that Earth is flat is a good business model. As the saying goes, there are two kinds of flat earthers: t-shirt buyers, and t-shirts sellers.

@@theselectiveluddite The language of that NASA page is a bit sloppy, the 60 mile line is usually taken as the dividing line above which "space" starts, but it is not due to all air being below that line, it is just that above that line the air becomes that thin that no matter how fast it flies no airplane can generate enough lift to keep its altitude anymore. So anything above is out of reach of airplanes and can only be reached by rocket. But even the ISS at ca. 250 miles needs to get an extra rocket engine push every once in a while as it still gets slowed down by friction with the little air left at that altitude.

Well, NASA probably keeps it illuminated so the planes that pose as ISS have a safe emergency landing spot ... or something. Obviously, I'm joking, but I wouldn't be surprised if any of those crayon-eaters came up with something like that.

Reasons.

I've been to Antarctica in what Astronomers call "Austral summer" and it never got dark... strange... Also I did not see any wall or something, just a lot of ice where it should be...

Bjork.

They’ll just say Iceland has its own sun on a different circuit

Not left out but lit as if they were full daylight.

The dog ia actually the presenter and a very able ventriloquist. You’ll notice he rarely moves his lips. 🐕

Because long ago, the King decreed it so!

I know, right? He usually does a lot of research, demonstrates why his ideas are correct, boils down the complex maths to simple points that nearly everyone can understand, never lets his personal incredulity show. All around a stand-up guy, Adam. Also, I think day drinking is a great idea which is why I started about 6 hours before I wrote this post 🤣

It was not a full moon on the 8th of July this year, but interestingly the 4th of June the Sun is in exactly the same position (because it is as far before the solstice as july 8th is after the solstice), just at 11:08 instead of 11:25. On that day it was in fact a full moon. Well, technically it was a perfect full moon almost 12 hours earlier but it is as full a moon as people on the pacific hemisphere will see that month. I suppose that even when the moon is not full, people still see sunlight reflected, just a bit less of it.

@@michaeldamolsen the aim was to have it more or less opposite the sun, so it would be in the sky for people on the night side of the planet.

@@kenbrown2808 Yes, I understand. All I am saying is that the phenomenon explained in the video happens twice a year, not once. And on the other of those days (4th of June) it ALSO happened to be an exact full moon (within less than 12 hours). That doesn't happen every year by far. Next time the full moon is on one of these two special days is in 2036 when it happens on the 8th of July. After that it is 2042, etc.

I've yet to see any of them explain how their sun works on the December Solstice. For example: on Friday, December 22, 2023 at 08:26:00 UTC the southern tips of New Zealand and South America along with all of Africa, Australia, and their "ice wall" Antarctica can directly see the sun. Gleason's map certainly doesn't work in that case.

@@Tsudico Some say the dome reflects/refracts/bends (I don't know lol) the sun all around the edges, without lighting up the rest of the world (eye roll) and some deny it even happens 🤷‍♀

@@deborahcassidy3705 The problem flerfers/globe deniers have is that there is no map, model or explanation for anything that supports their nonsensical claims.

But then, why let FACTS get in the way of a good conspiracy...?

I don’t imagine that irony was lost on him. Maybe I’m too much of an optimist, but I refuse to believe people are that friggin’ dumb..

@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Well, then, depending how you want to look at it: Get out more to meet them OR, and you'll just have to take my word on it, don't because the presence of sufficient stupid can be physically painful 😂

But the animation LEO showed was wrong. It shows an Earth with more than 50% of the Earth in daylight, but with an extremely narrow band of twilight.

@@synthetic240 I think the Mercator projection by Time and Date is what the OP was indicating.

@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 I'm of the opinion that most of them know what shape the Earth is as well as I do. I think some of them are actually _that_ dumb though. I've no idea how many, but I think they are in the minority.

Nope. But some do and they use the numbers to misrepresent what is actually happening. It’s clear that they want to imply that more of the planet is seeing the sun than actually is. 99% of the people can see sunlight but only 50%(not true anyway seeing about 2/3 of the Earth population live around India and China) should be able to! Of course the amount of the Earth in direct sunlight is not the same thing but it means they can pretend otherwise. The most clever lie is to tell part of the truth first.

They also don't know the Earth is a sphere* *oblate sphereoid

They really don't know much about anything.

@@XtreeM_FaiL .... nailed it.

Nope. There's also a distinct group of conspiracy preachers trying to reassign all discoveries to people in Africa, claiming that's what was done when anything was attributed to anyone in the northern hemisphere, so they're just "correcting for bias".

yea but they didn't mention it so there is probalby a small difference (like 98.5% see and not 99%)

@@user-fp7jz4ot6f Yes, it is about 7 minutes earlier so maybe some people are still sleeping :) Seriously though, there are VERY small differences in how far the Sun is from the tropics at those days, so it theoretically could exclude a tiny amount of people. I plotted it on a high resolution Earth map (8192x4096 pixels) and zoomed in, but the maps of the two days look identical to me.

@@user-fp7jz4ot6f huh, i guess you missed the fact (shown at 7:17) that it's not "really" 99% even on july 8th, but 98.9%? 🤓 Wait, no, i retract that last part, that was change from previous census data. But doing a simple operation, that 52M-53M figure is _only 0.65%_ of world population, so there's plenty of leeway available for some more areas to be included in there. ... And a second correction. No idea what Dave was showing us, but the data from the original source (the timeanddate article about this) is saying there are 79.7 million that experience nighttime at that moment, which is 1.03% of the 7.7B that was the total world pop last year, when they did the math. So now i'm back to the "that 99% was already rounded, from 98.97%, so why not also allow rounding from something like 98.77%?" :-)

I’ve made the same observation travelling. I would be very curious to hear a flat explanation of this phenomenon. It’s extremely clear what’s happening on a globe model.

It's another of those little wrinkles that makes perfect sense on a globe but none on a flat surface, so the Flatties have to ignore it.

The sun circles between the tropics, the sun goes out of view as it moves further away. Take a photo of sun spots every hour from "sunrise" to "sunset" with a DSLR camera, arrange them in chronological order, the perspective movement view of the sun spots from your observation point throughout the day could not possibly happen on a globe rotating in one direction at a constant speed. From the UK the sun spots only move slightly including anticlockwise until around 11am, then make a clear rotation as the sun circles, then only move slightly including anti clockwise after late afternoon. They only rotate "perspectively" a total of 90 degrees. These observations are impossible if earth were a globe.

You just had to read the headline to get it. Flat earthers watch the whole video and still don't understand. There are flat earthers in this comment stream saying that it's wrong because the illuminates half of the sphere. They just don't read.

However, on that day, 99% of the world's fauna that can readily kill you is not seeing sunlight...because Australia...

@@aemrt5745 Armed penquins are not the only dangerous animals on earth. They are the only ones that can't see the sun that day.

For real. I read this and my instant thought was , well light refracts off the atmosphere so yeah

And the same when it comes to perspective

They doing this with everything, also their IDIOTIC claim how you suppose to constantly dive nose of plane to dont fly away from earth 😂😭😭 but in the same time they claim that you are not able to go in straight line on their idiotic pizza model so you constantly turning and go in circle because “pole” in the middle of pizza confusing you and its to big for you to recognize you are turning 🤦🏻‍♂️ 😂 Forget now about atmospheric density and that its impossible to fly away from earth without increasing speed constantly… just take to account size of earth where in globe its not big enaugh for them to dont recognize that you dont fly in straight line, but in their disabled pizza model its suddenly too big for any recognition

Flerfers... I might use this instead of Flat Earther, sounds funnier

Nor can they explain midnight sun in the Antarctica....

@@LassisvulgarisWhy explain when they can simply say “fake!”

@@jagheterbanan That’s how we know they aren’t really looking for the truth. Everything they don’t like is just dismissed.

@@jagheterbanan Of course. Why let FACTS get in the way of a good conspiracy...?

Happy birthday mate.

Happy birthday man!

except england, because there are always clouds :P

Thank you for the correction, I did write down degrees when I wrote the script - not sure how I managed to come up with % 🤦🏻‍♂️

since nighttime is 180° of the 360°, 36° wouldn't be more like 20% of the nighttime in twilight ?

@@DaveMcKeegan ...but you won't correct your 360% error. Would hate to look wrong to your followers. Now go ahead and block my comment.

@@JoeDaddyNV Why would he block your comment? If you pointed out a mistake, he will accept and correct it. Just look two comments above yours. Your comment has survived a full half hour now. 😂

@@JoeDaddyNV "Now go ahead and block my comment." Projecting what they do on Flat Earth channels?

SAD

It's easy to be frustrated with them, and understandable. But ultimately we have to see them as fellow humans who are just lost. There's all kinds of reasons people may believe false things, and they aren't usually malicious. Some degree of kindness is the best way to actually change peoples minds.

@@LoyaltotheNightsky You cannot change people's minds once they know the truth. If you want proof that the earth is flat observe sun spots over a one day period with a DSLR camera, take a photo every hour, you will see that earth could not possibly be a globe by their "perspective" movement throughout the day. It is the sun that is moving, not the earth.

People know that the earth is flat, the sun proves it.

​@@liftingtheveil8361 Nope, the earth is Globe

leo confuses his butthole for his mouth.

Only if you think logically.

They think that for some magical reason the sunlight just stops after a while and vanishes.

@@hmgrraarrpffrzz9763 Hey, isn't that what "vanishing point" means? :)

I think that, generally speaking, when most people talk about dusk and dawn, they just mean civil twilight.

The 7th is kinda mid ngl

According to scientists, Pacific Ocean is big and nobody lives there.

They don't have a model. At least not a working one. Or one they can all agree on.

@@M4RC90 The individuals do have a non-sensical model that they never bother examining critically.

My favourite twilight is when all the vampires and werewolves fight each other, but it all turns out to be a vision instead.

Cherrypicking....

@@Lassisvulgaris yeah, huge cognitive dissonance

Doesn't mean what they think it means? Inconceivable!

And most of that land is in the northern hemisphere as well, which is why the phenomenon occurs near the NH summer solstice and not the SH summer.

Funnily enough it is almost right if you look at the proportion of night (sun more than 18° below horizon) which should be 34,5 %, if I have not miscalculated.

@@Puukiuuki Indeed. The area of a spherical cap is 2*pi*r^2*(1-cos(phi)), where phi is the half angle of the cap. If we take phi as 180 we get the full sphere and the familiar 2*pi*r^2*(1-(-1)) = 4 * pi * r^2. Taking the ratio of the two, 2*pi*r^2 cancels out. Given the total night half-angle is 90-18 - 72, the ratio is (1-cos(72)) / 2 = 34.55%

Could you prove the rotating ball earth goofball? If yes, then bring me a real uncut video (no fisheye lens) from 3 to 40 km above ground where we can see the earth rotating at the equator with 1.35 supersonic speed = 1666 kmh. If you couldn't show a rotation as quick as a fighter jet or a 9mm machine pistol bullet - the spinning ball earth does not exist. And Please Show evidence that the rotating ball earth rotates simultaneously around the sun with the hypersonic speed of 108.000 km/h (one hundred and eight thousand km per hour). This is 30 km per second or nearly 65 times as quick as a 9 mm machinepistol bullet. Show simultaneously around the milky way with the hypersonic speed of nearly 800.000 km/h (eight hundred thousand km per hour). This is 222 km per second or nearly 480 times as quick as a fighter jet. Show evidence that the rotating ball earth rotates together with the sun simultaneously around the milky way with the hypersonic speed of nearly 800.000 km/h (eight hundred thousand km per hour). This is 555 km per second or nearly 1.200 times as quick as a fighter jet.

@@Nehner just another flerfer who fails to grasp a middle school physics concept of relative motion. Go read a textbook first.

@@UdarRusskihPudgei Go prove the rotating ball earth goofball If yes, then bring me a real uncut video (no fisheye lens) from 3 to 40 km above ground where we can see the earth rotating at the equator with 1.35 supersonic speed = 1666 kmh. If you couldn't show a rotation as quick as a fighter jet or a 9mm machine pistol bullet - the spinning ball earth does not exist. And Please Show evidence that the rotating ball earth rotates simultaneously around the sun with the hypersonic speed of 108.000 km/h (one hundred and eight thousand km per hour). This is 30 km per second or nearly 65 times as quick as a 9 mm machinepistol bullet. Show simultaneously around the milky way with the hypersonic speed of nearly 800.000 km/h (eight hundred thousand km per hour). This is 222 km per second or nearly 480 times as quick as a fighter jet. Show evidence that the rotating ball earth rotates together with the sun simultaneously around the milky way with the hypersonic speed of nearly 800.000 km/h (eight hundred thousand km per hour). This is 555 km per second or nearly 1.200 times as quick as a fighter jet.

@@UdarRusskihPudgei just another globidiot xassho without an exam

​@@NehnerNo intelligent person measures rotation using MpH.

That's correct. For example, consider any time around Christmas, when the Arctic is getting 24 hours of night and Antarctica is getting 24 hours of daylight. Take your flat earth map and plot out the parts experiencing night, and its an oval shape *in the middle* of the map, surrounded by daylight. No flashlight I know of could cast light like that!

Doesn’t their magic flying spotlight have a magic, shape shifting lamp shade? 😂

​@@David_Lee379 Indeed. And part of the magic of the lampshade is that it's invisible and doesn't affect the apparent shape of the Sun's disk.

Atmospheric lensing or something.

@@Nerazmus Wasn't this the "personal dome" or so? 😁

That place should be Antarctica in winter, during midnight sun....

Another benefit for them: Their science would be cutting edge for the time.

They just say there fake

Yep, if the sun sets due to light not being able to travel further as they claim, it would become pitch black immediately after it sets.

That’s right!

Australia actually did exist at one time but everybody fell off.

@@kdwaynec So many feasible notions. I wonder which is true.

Ahahahah I like it when they do that, it's a classic coming from those spineless flerfs

And will then repeat the same tripe expecting a different result.

Bullshit as always when a globidiot touchscreen the keyboard. There is no "earth curvature". It does not exist. On clear days you can see from the beach of the german North Sea island Wangerooge (1.60 m viewing height) the island of Helgoland 43.5 km away. According to the earth curvature calculator Helgoland should be hidden 115 m from Wangerooge beach. BUT IS NOT. There are thousands of examples like this. Please do not write bullshit like you forget 8 to 13% refraction. Or that was just a mirage. From the English west coast to the east coast it is about 480 km. Line Norwich - middle of the line approximately at the cities Warwick, Rugby, south Coventry - outermost tip of Wales. The stations on the English west and east coast are logically located almost at sea level, maximum a few meters above sea level. If both stations on the coast are at 10 meters above sea level, then the towns of Warwick or Rugby, which are located approximately in the middle of the line, should be at a height of about 4.1 km according to the earth curvature calculator (now without refraction and without considering a camera height of 1.60 m). But Warwick is only 74 m above sea level and Rubgy 95 m above sea level. The highest mountain of England is the Scafell Pike with 978 meters, the highest mountain of Scotland and Great Britain is the Ben Nevis with 1345 meters. Therefore, it is clear that the spherical earth is a fairy tale. The Suez Canal is 192 km long and connects the Red Sea with the Mediterranean Sea without a barrage. Since both the starting point and the end point are at sea level, there would have to be an approx. 700 m high mountain in the middle of the route at 96 km. That means the ships would have to go 1x uphill and 1x downhill. But they do not. Please don't bring any crazy stuff a la the altitude is measured from the (never proven) center of the earth or other globe fairytales. The engineer W. Winckler wrote in October 1883 in the Rundschau der Erde concerning the alleged curvature of the earth: He wrote...As an engineer of many years standing, I remark that this absurd rule is allowed only in school books. No engineer would dream of approving it. I have built many kilometers of rail network and even more kilometers of canals, and this rule has not even been thought of, let alone considered. The rule of curvature means 20 cm on the first 1.6 km of a canal, and multiplied by the square number of the distance in kilometers, that on a small navigable canal for boats, say 48 km long, a curvature of 183 m would have to be planned according to the above rule. Think about it, and please do not trust engineers to be such idiots. Nothing of this kind is considered. We do not think about observing a curvature of 183 m for a stretch of a canal or rails any more than we think about squaring the circle.

not one single solid proof of earth rotation ! Supposedly the earth rotates 1 time a day around its own axis. That would be 40000 km in 24 hours at the equator. Or 1666.66 km per hour. Or 465.3 meters per second. One should be able to measure see hear or feel that. The simplest proof that the earth is a rotating ball would be a genuine uncut video from 3 to 40 km height, on which we see the earth, how it rotates at the equator with 1.35 times the speed of sound = 1670 km per hour. Up to now this is missing. Instead one wants to measure and/or prove the earth rotation with any weak-minded things. Pendulum, red shift, parallax and other fake things. At the same time the earth is supposed to rotate around the sun with the hypersonic speed of 108.000 km/h (30 km per second). The rotating spherical earth is also supposed to rotate around the Milky Way together with the sun with the hypersonic speed of 800,000 km/h (eight hundred thousand km per hour). 800.000 km per hour are 222 km per second. That would be nearly 650 times faster than the speed of sound. In addition the rotating earth together with the sun and the Milky Way should circle at the same time with the hypersonic speed of nearly 2.000.000 km/h (2 million km/h) around the galaxy. That is 555 km per second or almost 1,620 times faster than the speed of sound. All of this is supposed to happen simultaneously. At different speeds. In different directions. Nobody ever has noticed some of these crazy speeds. And in the evening we see the same stars year after year. If you can present no plausible scientifically incontestable proofs to it I assume that these alleged phenomena do not exist and has never existed. And the earth therefore is flat and did not move.

​@Nehner Bob knodel proved rotation. Pendulum proves rotation. We don't see the same stars, old star charts show the changes. Care to explain why stars move?

​@Nehner we can fly new Zealand to South America. So why is there not a single flat earth map that has the correct distance, when anyone can confirm the distance traveled

@@byt4fse2 bullshit as always when schoolboys are stupid gamers Touch the keyboard