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Why let a library burn down? 

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@pallasproserpina4118
@pallasproserpina4118 11 месяцев назад
just a note: many of these talets are not being "baked a second time" by the fire as tom said, but actually baked a first time. clay tablets weren't usually baked intentionally unless they were *very* important. most were sunbaked but left unfired
@Ceruleanst
@Ceruleanst 11 месяцев назад
We only know about Ea-Nasir because either he chose to preserve his complaints as trophies, or angry customers burned his house down.
@trippydrew8492
@trippydrew8492 11 месяцев назад
So if they were sun baked, and the fire baked them too, then him saying "baked a second time" is correct.
@sponge1234ify
@sponge1234ify 11 месяцев назад
@@trippydrew8492 ehh, depends how pedantic you wanna be with the terminology; a sun-baked but unfired tablet can still be wiped clean with water.
@columbus8myhw
@columbus8myhw 6 месяцев назад
Although, if they were in a _library,_ they were probably pretty important already, right?
6 месяцев назад
Oooohhh that makes sense!
@random832
@random832 11 месяцев назад
Another fun fact about clay tablets is, in some regions they weren't ever deliberately fired in the era they were used in (so they could be recycled), but many of the best preserved examples are ones that were in accidental fires. So 'better condition than before' could be literal - even without a steam explosion, they might have been raw clay that would have disintegrated when wet, and even if they wouldn't have deliberately fired them (there's some debate on this), when given the choice between letting them burn or getting them wet it's obvious which one you'd pick even without the explosion risk.
@techno1561
@techno1561 7 месяцев назад
The fire might have also burned away any dust or anything on top, leaving the markings clearer.
@Crunch0r
@Crunch0r 11 месяцев назад
My mind immediately went to: it doesn't have to be paper documents. But I couldn't link it to clay. Cool lateral!
@Anolaana
@Anolaana 11 месяцев назад
My first thought would be like getting rid of rot or mould or bugs! But I didn't get to the material itself hardening either lol.
@dottie471
@dottie471 11 месяцев назад
I solved this one almost immediately. If I could have asked Tom a question it would have been, Would Dr Irving Finkel possibly handle these documents?
@korg47237
@korg47237 11 месяцев назад
same, starting to wonder if guests discuss the "obvious" answers to fill in time? pessimistic but maybe i am just being meta about the format at this point lol
@klassmagicker
@klassmagicker 11 месяцев назад
Oh that's a cheeky one! Maybe better yet, have someone you have played a board game with could have possibly handled these documents
@jannetteberends8730
@jannetteberends8730 11 месяцев назад
Was thinking exactly the same.
@dottie471
@dottie471 11 месяцев назад
@@jannetteberends8730 yay I was wondering if anyone else remembered the video with Dr Finkel
@jannetteberends8730
@jannetteberends8730 11 месяцев назад
@@dottie471 apparently a lot of us did. 😀 I knew dr. Finkel from his video about real the arc of Noah. Later I saw the. video with Tom.
@CMeeCraftGaming
@CMeeCraftGaming 11 месяцев назад
Clay tablets was the absolute first thing my mind went to after hearing "better condition." Fun episode.
@pallasproserpina4118
@pallasproserpina4118 11 месяцев назад
haha as an assyriologist my mind instantly went to clay tablets. we work with accidentally-fired documents all the time
@RossParker1877
@RossParker1877 11 месяцев назад
As a park bench viewer I thought of Cuneiform tablets. We love you Irving
@CheyenneRose
@CheyenneRose 11 месяцев назад
I got stuck thinking there was a trick in the question and didn't get it- now I've got to go look it up because what a fascinating story!
@carterlin1719
@carterlin1719 11 месяцев назад
The hint of "improved" gave me the lightbulb moment immediately. Was very pleased about it.
@Elated_Llama
@Elated_Llama 11 месяцев назад
Something they did not pick up on in the original question is "beg people" This hint suggested that this was in an era before firefighters.
@markwright3161
@markwright3161 8 месяцев назад
Well it could be that the local fire service were already aware of the museum's contents and knew not to act, whereas passionate museum visitors and good samaritans may not know and try to grab buckets of water, etc to put it out. I'm not a fire fighter, but I am on a farm with access to a slurry tanker and a stream. If something was on fire that shouldn't be on fire while I'm nearby, I'd try my best to put it out, or at least minimise it spreading, in the time between seeing it on fire and the fire service arriving. I hope I never have to act like that though as I know there's many reasons just dumping water on a fire can be bad and being near one extremely dangerous, especially farm fires where there could be hundreds of litres of diesel, etc, and I might be someone who just freezes in an emergency, so maybe I wouldn't be any use at all if the situation arose.
@88marome
@88marome 9 месяцев назад
I would never have guessed that. I kept thinking leather for some reason.
@cybergeek11235
@cybergeek11235 11 месяцев назад
I was guessing "seed library" based on the title, but that got shot as soon as the "actual" question was revealed. Cool thing to learn about though!
@thespankmyfrank
@thespankmyfrank 11 месяцев назад
I thought of a seed library too! I later did think of stone tablets, but somehow completely forgot about clay tablets...
@Qexilber
@Qexilber 11 месяцев назад
Man, clay tablets or prints on ceramic tiles were my first thoughts in the beginning but I stuck too much to the impression that the fire had to be an accident somehow (making bystanders want to extinguish the flames).
@caltheuntitled8021
@caltheuntitled8021 11 месяцев назад
It was an accident, but it would have made things worse if the fire was put out by water
@dan200smx7
@dan200smx7 11 месяцев назад
​@caltheuntitled8021 not just water, it's the rapid change in temperature that would make them explode
@mike7002
@mike7002 11 месяцев назад
I was all over a document store that was looking to dehumidify something like velum, so baking it would be ok, because the documents were in some fancy chamber, but water damage would be fatal...
@DeltaDemon1
@DeltaDemon1 11 месяцев назад
I rarely solve these things but I got it very quickly this time. Very cool.
@FrumiousBandersnatch42
@FrumiousBandersnatch42 11 месяцев назад
I almost immediately went for "are these clay tablets?"
@ambergris5705
@ambergris5705 11 месяцев назад
Is it me or is Bernadette Banner sitting in front of a bed? This has peak lockdown vibes even though it's 2023, and I am here for it
@SenshiSunPower
@SenshiSunPower 11 месяцев назад
I think that's her sewing table.
@sensei1991
@sensei1991 10 месяцев назад
I never heard of that earlier, and clay tablets came to my mind in a second.
@celivalg
@celivalg 11 месяцев назад
40 sec in, library in india that is made of idk how many stellas carved. the whole thing is supposed to be a single book if I remember correctly, but I suppose it could be split in 30000 documents edit: not quite then
@olivier2553
@olivier2553 11 месяцев назад
Clay tablets, Alexandria library...?
@wolfVFV
@wolfVFV 11 месяцев назад
My first thought was text metal plates, Water could rust them, fire cleans the plates? Not sure
@robertjarman3703
@robertjarman3703 11 месяцев назад
I got this almost immediately. I happen to be one of those history nerds who might think of clay. I also got the Julius Caesar one too.
@illexsquid
@illexsquid 11 месяцев назад
I mean, this is why we have all of Ea-Nasir's complaints.
@markwright3161
@markwright3161 8 месяцев назад
I was going to just watch and compare silently, but I think I'll leave my thoughts before I get any further (2:00). I was thinking about the water damage angle too, but then thought about the 'better condition'. I was thinking they're maybe in steel boxes and they had issues with damp, and the fire dried them out. I also thought about them being in plastic pockets in the steel boxes so the heat of the fire laminated them somehow :)
@xybergay8587
@xybergay8587 11 месяцев назад
My immediate thought was the library of Alexandria and water soluble clay but I don't know about about ancient libraries
@JelenaMajic
@JelenaMajic 8 месяцев назад
one of the rare ones I got really fast! although I was stuck thinking it was metal for a while lol
@sirgarberto
@sirgarberto 11 месяцев назад
Pausing right after the question to make a guess: they documents are clay. Fire will just make them into fired clay, while making them experience temperature change too quickly would make them explode (and yes, my mind went immediately to Discworld).
@AnimeSunglasses
@AnimeSunglasses 2 месяца назад
GOLEM RIGHTS!!!
@MarylandFarmer.
@MarylandFarmer. 11 месяцев назад
Sweet! I actually got this one with my first guess for once!
@Fabelaz
@Fabelaz 6 месяцев назад
My first question after a minute of listening was "is clay involved?"
@FoxDren
@FoxDren 11 месяцев назад
Now I want to go fond a video with Dr Finkle in it.
@dottie471
@dottie471 11 месяцев назад
Tom Scott, Matt Gray and Dr Irving Finkel ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zOwP0KUlnZg.htmlsi=AgoUmimNsl9XdfNW
@sandwich2473
@sandwich2473 11 месяцев назад
I thought of this one immediately
@VTimmoni
@VTimmoni 11 месяцев назад
I got this one! I'm so proud of me!
@nanardeurlambda
@nanardeurlambda 11 месяцев назад
0:26 I'm going to say clay tablets. this is a library from the cuneiform era. 4:51 YEAH GOT IT!!
@cloud_and_proud
@cloud_and_proud 11 месяцев назад
Haven't finished this yet but I'm immediately thinking like these are non-paper documents, like stone or whatever, and maybe water or foam would destroy this particular kind of stone
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 11 месяцев назад
They were all books from aliens titled "To Serve Man" We found out too late it was a cook book.
@gljames24
@gljames24 11 месяцев назад
I knew this one because I recently watched a video on the history of Assyria.
@syriuszb8611
@syriuszb8611 11 месяцев назад
My guess: they were clay tablets and they were just firing them.
@BananaWasTaken
@BananaWasTaken 11 месяцев назад
Same
@Rei-Rei
@Rei-Rei 11 месяцев назад
My immediate thought was that it's a museum of fire and it added new exhibits.
@JoFreddieRevDr
@JoFreddieRevDr 11 месяцев назад
My first thought was Cuneiform tablets
@epimorphism
@epimorphism 11 месяцев назад
My guess: the 30,000 documents are old clay tablets, like cuneiform tablets from mesopotamia. Using water to extinguish the fire would destroy them, but leaving them in the fire will be like putting them through a kiln.
@cameron3005
@cameron3005 11 месяцев назад
There’s gotta be a way to stop the top comment spoiling every single one of these
@MrTandtrollet
@MrTandtrollet 11 месяцев назад
Immidiate guess was some type of clay tablets.
@balaenopteramusculus
@balaenopteramusculus 9 месяцев назад
30 seconds in, I guess "clay tablets"
@psilorder86
@psilorder86 11 месяцев назад
Guess at 0:34 - they're iron-tablets and it helps with rust?
@jordanleighton6893
@jordanleighton6893 11 месяцев назад
Not having heard the answer yet, my guess is it’s kiln fired tablets?
@SharienGaming
@SharienGaming 11 месяцев назад
my mind went to something like some form of stone or metal document pretty fast (though i didnt think of clay) and yeah... all of those would be pretty head resistant.... but shock cooling them after heating might cause problems (in the case of clay, as tom said...they literally explode)
@openevents
@openevents 11 месяцев назад
Same... my first thought was correct.... ;)
@TheQueenOfStupidity
@TheQueenOfStupidity 9 месяцев назад
I LOVE this oooooonneeee!
@donaldasayers
@donaldasayers 11 месяцев назад
Too easy.
@bzqp2
@bzqp2 8 месяцев назад
No way they would expect them to get better. I assume many of them would crack and random building fire is far from the consistency of a normal clay firing furnace.
@TalasDD
@TalasDD 11 месяцев назад
30 seconds in. my thought: its a clay tablet library in the BC
@LucenProject
@LucenProject 11 месяцев назад
I thought stone. Didn't think clay.
@dietznuts8106
@dietznuts8106 3 месяца назад
at 1:38 and im guessing its like a metaphor for forest fires and like tree seeds?? edit: nvm i was so wrong🤣
@RoryGlynn
@RoryGlynn 11 месяцев назад
Is it a stone tablet that will crack if it suddenly changes temperature?
@michaelavanessian8558
@michaelavanessian8558 11 месяцев назад
I won't lie...my first instinct was that the documents were made of glass. The actual answer is definitely more clever, though
@ShOrt_RoUnD
@ShOrt_RoUnD 10 месяцев назад
"It's a kiln!"
@shaunhouse8469
@shaunhouse8469 11 месяцев назад
Are the documents on clay tablets?
@Orthus100
@Orthus100 11 месяцев назад
Instantly went to clay.
@peperoni_pepino
@peperoni_pepino 11 месяцев назад
Immediate guess: clay tablets? EDIT: Yes!
@S1AR_DUS1
@S1AR_DUS1 11 месяцев назад
First thoughts are they were stored on clay tablets
@saul8516
@saul8516 11 месяцев назад
This was a little frustrating to watch, I will not lie
@Ken.-
@Ken.- 11 месяцев назад
5:12 Who else read EXPLODE on the pennant behind her?
@jannetteberends8730
@jannetteberends8730 11 месяцев назад
All the followers of Tom knew almost immediately what this was about. Most of us are familiar with Irving Finkel.
@placeholdername0000
@placeholdername0000 11 месяцев назад
Guess: Clay or stone tablets.
@JohnDoe-tx8lq
@JohnDoe-tx8lq 11 месяцев назад
I like it! :D
@Vikrum_
@Vikrum_ 11 месяцев назад
Egyptian tablet library made of clay?
@Vikrum_
@Vikrum_ 11 месяцев назад
Ah Mesopotamia
@AbjectPermanence
@AbjectPermanence 11 месяцев назад
I didn't like the trick in this one. Antique clay isn't made better by exposing it to fire. That's not preservation. Changing the object's material properties with fire might be desirable for some purposes, but altering an antique in that kind of uncontrolled way does not make it better.
@lateralcast
@lateralcast 11 месяцев назад
It wasn't antique. The event was a long time ago, but the tablets were only 30 years old at the time.
@JohnDoe-ti2np
@JohnDoe-ti2np 5 месяцев назад
@@lateralcast So the part about the "staff looking after the library begging people not to extinguish the flames" is just a fictional invention? We surely have no records of what the staff at the time said.
@bigsarge2085
@bigsarge2085 11 месяцев назад
✌️
@aitehs
@aitehs 11 месяцев назад
Meow
@DavidSallge
@DavidSallge 11 месяцев назад
My mind went immediately to Irving Finkel...
@jakesapir
@jakesapir 11 месяцев назад
This feels like half lateral thinking and half trivia.
@Azrael_Rhinco
@Azrael_Rhinco 11 месяцев назад
5:29 No, Hot. Explicitly HOT!
@MichaelBerthelsen
@MichaelBerthelsen 11 месяцев назад
They're thinking WAY too modern, clueless about ancient history...?🤷🤦
@F41nt13
@F41nt13 11 месяцев назад
It is because you would think that ancient clay tablets would be in museums, not in libraries
@sponge1234ify
@sponge1234ify 11 месяцев назад
The question was _very deliberately_ phrased to mislead; As soon as Tom reiterates that it's 30k documents, "not papers", they pretty much got it immediately.
@ArifRWinandar
@ArifRWinandar 11 месяцев назад
@@F41nt13 A library is kind of like a museum for texts
@walkingpizza1796
@walkingpizza1796 11 месяцев назад
i wouldnt call that a library
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