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Why Liverpool's £3.5bn Tidal Energy Project Matters. 

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Will the proposed River Mersey tidal scheme be a turning point for tidal should it go ahead?
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@pauladams1829
@pauladams1829 3 месяца назад
In a mix a of renewable energy sources, this would be a valuable addition far out weighing any negative impacts.
@ryanscott642
@ryanscott642 2 месяца назад
As we are in the process of removing dams, it seems like blocking the whole thing out, like a dam, is a step backwards.
@peterjol
@peterjol 3 месяца назад
In the bigger picture of ALL the various life we want to protect in the natural world I think the overall environmental impacts would be quite small.
@mitchellbarnow1709
@mitchellbarnow1709 Месяц назад
I imagine the incredible tidal energy at San Francisco’s Golden Gate, but also imagine the incredible environmental catastrophe. Did Singapore build dams across their ocean outlets to eventually convert what was salt water into fresh water from their huge amount of rain that falls on land? If San Francisco Bay was fresh, they wouldn’t have the drought problem. Huge channels with gates would have to be built for ships and sailboats to pass in and out of the narrow Golden Gate.
@teleroel
@teleroel 3 месяца назад
From the Netherlands: our "Deltawerken" (Delta Works) have changed the eco system in a negative way. Open systems are better, so a tidal system might work withouth disturbing the eco system. Interesting to see what's possible. And it's better than keep using fossil fuels.
@automateTec
@automateTec 2 месяца назад
A real-life perpetual motion machine!
@bpurkapi
@bpurkapi 3 месяца назад
Well done, and very interesting!
@jluke168
@jluke168 3 месяца назад
I read a fair bit about the servern one, and the price of the resulting electricity and the harm to the environment, meant it really didn't make sense, it probably doesn't make sense here either. The power will be less useful than a nuclear power plant. Some of the power will be compelety wasted as the tide changes at some low demand part of the day. If this thing made economic sense it would be being built by a private consortium without subsidy. What I suspect is really going to happen, is the local officials are going to get kickbacks from the construction companies, owned by their friends and business partners and the taxpayer will fund it way past the original budget. Whenever you see some large government funded project, that makes little economic sense, unless you literally paid some researchers to fudge a table of numbers in your favour, the real reason is corruption and kickbacks. And unfortunately the UK has an enormous amount of this kind of corruption and waste of taxpayer money.
@carlfrancis8565
@carlfrancis8565 2 месяца назад
Great video, well delivered. Of course we should because it's the lesser of two evils.
@peterjones6640
@peterjones6640 2 месяца назад
The U.K. has a number of sites very suitable for tidal energy and as part of an energy mix to include geothermal, wind, solar and nuclear power would make a useful energy mix so that we are not dependent on one form of power. However the problem with tidal energy at this site or any of the other half a dozen or so other suitable sites around the U.K. is the size of the infrastructure required. The risks and uncertain returns over the 100+ years of a tidal energy facility means that it is very unlikely any private company ( or consortium) would take the necessary risk to build. That leaves it down to the government and in recent decades the government of either party has not seen fit to invest in the power generation infrastructure. However this would seem to be the ideal project for government investment, once built it would provide a long term return for the investment made. It could also act as a catalyst for the construction of further tidal generation schemes in the U.K. Once the expertise has been developed on the first build then the learnings can be applied to further projects. If this was coupled with an industrial strategy which had the turbines and generating equipment manufactured in the U.K. together with the other equipment needed it could be a long term source of growth for the economy.
@sanjbansal9954
@sanjbansal9954 3 месяца назад
Nice video. Thanks
@robwashers
@robwashers 3 месяца назад
If we can work out how to make energy from rain the UK has it made - new global super power ? Disrupting an Estuary eco system would cost more long term to fix than the short term economic benefits. The Uk should be spear heading tidal wave and wind power and not trying to destroy our 155 Estuaries or covering our rural areas in solar.
@bowboysam
@bowboysam 2 месяца назад
The problem with uk clean energy production is that we have no battery storage, at the moment when it’s really windy/sunny and fossil fuel is at one or two percent of what’s needed, there is nowhere to store the extra electricity. Until this is dilemma is figured out, there’s no room for any more clean energy and the money men know this.
@peterjones6640
@peterjones6640 2 месяца назад
Actually the U.K. grid has 1.6GW of battery storage ( as at the end of 2023). However this generally to replace peaker plants. We also have some 4 GW of pumped storage. It is pumped storage that the government should have encouraged over the years as it is this which provides longer duration storage and there are a number of potential sites around the U.K. ( mainly Scotland and Wales) which could at least double this amount.
@JackdeDuCoeur
@JackdeDuCoeur 3 месяца назад
Nice work
@oliver90owner
@oliver90owner 2 месяца назад
The Swansea tidal lagoon project, at £1.3 billon and 320MW, would (superficially) appear to have been a more cost effective project. Pro rata, the cost for this 700MW should be more like 2.8, not 3.5 billion? But the Swansea forecast cost-estimates are now a few years old. If the Swansea project was not supported what makes anyone think this more expensive project will be accepted? IMO, the cheaper, but smaller, project should have been the first to be constructed. Perhaps both should be constructed. We certainly need as much renewable (and predictable) green energy as can be gleaned from nature.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 2 месяца назад
It's just like wave power such an obvious resource not being used, bascially due to no investment
@uggali
@uggali 2 месяца назад
Imo never sacrifice your local environment that’s your legacy for future generations. Maybe go with the lever tidal power design?
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 2 месяца назад
Tidal mills were invented in the medieval times, the fact that it has taken this long to even start looking at Tidal shows a deeply damaging inefficiency in the energy market and the reason it needs an overhaul.
@iareid8255
@iareid8255 3 месяца назад
The Upshift Don't you think there are very good reasons that they are not more common? Like all renewable generation types they fall down on not meeting the criteria for economical and effective generation. Cannot balance supply and dermand. Uncontrollable, as and when required. No inertia. In addition, expensive to build and maintain. That is why the Severn project was finally abaondoned. Just because it is possible, doesn't mean it is practical.
@higreentj
@higreentj 3 месяца назад
Liverpool is at risk from flooding so it should be built.
@user-qs3mh4pp3b
@user-qs3mh4pp3b 2 месяца назад
Excellent presentation about Tidal Energy projects. What is surprising me is that Hinkley Point C project has efficiency 89.2% and life 60 years, and on the West Somerset Lagoon the project comes with efficiency 29.7% and life 120 years.
@carlfrancis8565
@carlfrancis8565 2 месяца назад
Not to mention the Hinkley Point C project construction duration of 32 years and a projected cost to the consumer of £92/MWh at 2018 prices for 35 years from commissioning. Compare this with around £50/MWh and falling for wind power generation. Renewables will have pretty much displaced Hinkley before it's even commissioned. Did you know that combined, all the nuclear power plants in the UK produce about 18% of the country's power needs? This means for all the time & investment for Hinkley alone, it'll produce around just 3%.
@ScottDaviesProto
@ScottDaviesProto 3 месяца назад
Nice video, but get yourself a key light and raise your camera angle!
@domtweed7323
@domtweed7323 3 месяца назад
My only disagreement: Nuclear plants are often refurbished after their first 40 years of operation, doubling their lifespan and making them even more comparable to tidal projects.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 2 месяца назад
What makes you think Tidal cannot do the same... Hydro has been and it's not a little boost at the end of life like Nuclear in Hydro it's securing the future with little maintenance for close to 100 year in many cases.
@domtweed7323
@domtweed7323 2 месяца назад
@@Alex-cw3rz Hydro and tidal are great, but geographically limited. We're running out of cites to build them! The UK will get, at most, a few gigawatts of power from each (we use 30GW on average at the moment, and that'll have to go up to 100GW as we electrify everything). So we need something else as well.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 2 месяца назад
@@domtweed7323 firstly the fact they need to go to certain locations is not a revaltion and secondly talk about geographically limited and you support nuclear nuclear is steam power and therefore requires a large river, sea or lake to function. Where in the world did I say we should only do tidal and hydro? Let alone what you said is not true, firslty because the figures aren't correct and secondly we are right now in the midst of deals with Norway to use pumped storage there and power it through energy produced in the UK. Therefore we can have solar, wind, tidal, wave, hydro and nuclear as ridiculously expensive as that last option is and that will power the pumped storage in Norway.
@domtweed7323
@domtweed7323 2 месяца назад
@@Alex-cw3rz On nuclear: You can also cool it with sea water, so the entire coastline is suitable for nuclear sites (in theory, cause you'd only need a few dozen nuclear reactors to power the UK). On hydro: My point was that it's great, but our hydro resources I the UK are very small and mostly used up. And the tidal sites would also be used up quickly if we started using them (which we should!) Pumped hydro is great, but it's not a power source, it's just a big gravity battery. You need something to charge it up. Actually the first pumped hydro sites were built to support nuclear power stations, cause nuclear can't load balance well.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 2 месяца назад
I would point out that nuclear is one of the most expensive energy per KW sources on planet earth. So this isn't surprising.
@Robin-kr4eg
@Robin-kr4eg 3 месяца назад
Come on at least tell the truth, the project in France wholesale cost is 12cence/kWh verses 8.5cence/kWh for the average within the euro zone currently. So that plant is not proving cheap power, which is why they did not build loads more. Then the plant only works 24% of the time so you also need balancing generation, be that particularly polluting oil, gas or very expensive electricity storage on top of the 12 cense! Everyone and their dog has looked at this technology for well over 100 years and it always comes back to being wayyyyy to expensive to build and how do you balance generation against demand? This idea has been flogged to death. The only way the proposed project may work is if they are going to use it for flooding. But that just means that they will have to shut down generation during flooding periods which gets us back to the problem of balancing generation..... Face it tidal barrage has been flogged to death and no one can get a sane, repeatable projects out of it.
@carlfrancis8565
@carlfrancis8565 2 месяца назад
It sounds like you've never heard of batteries, which reduce in cost by approximately 90% every 15 years, or so.
@Robin-kr4eg
@Robin-kr4eg 2 месяца назад
@carlfrancis8565 Carl come on. If the power is too expensive as I say it does no matter if battery's were free the power would still be too expensive. As I say no one has been able to work this out even at the best sites, never mind what we would need for wide adoption. The 2nd problem is the cost of the battery's. Over the last 15 years chemistry have not moved on much, but manufacturing has scaled dramatically. Manufacturing costs have consequently dropped such that the cost is basically transparent. When you commercially buy a battery cell now it is almost completely material and transport costs, so scaling manufacture more is going to make very little difference. That means that we need to see massive changes to chemistry to drive the reduction. If you have been paying attention to the space you will know that there have been any number revolutionary chemistry's proposed and perhaps until later this year when a factory in China goes live no game changing successes have come about for quite some time (Tesla battery's were better because of a better battery management solution not chemistry). BTW I do hope that you are right on battery cost reduction as that would be good for the world. I found a report from the US Department of Energy on the predictions reduction of costs of grid storage, they reckon a 30% to 75% reduction in cost per kwh can be expected over 30 years from 2020 to 2050. So sadly battery's are not likely to reduce 90% every 15 years or so.
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