As an ex Military Personal I found myself Homeless after the Vietnam War, I got a job with a christian church in Seattle Washington Doing Maintenance on a Building they were Renovating for abused Women, Children and the Elderly. I was payed 5 Dollars a week, food with room and Board, When on my free time I went to the Seattle Library just down the Street, and immersed myself in the translations of the Greek words for the King James Bible. I found that the Greek words had more Shadows with so many different Meaning on the context of how you used the word in that Context. It Opened my eyes. I could of went to the Bar and drank my sorrows Away, The father son and Holy spirit Spoke to me in so many ways, Thank you Father for loving me first. RAM ON!.
I have been trying to explain to people when you study in Hebrew & Greek you get nuances that give you a deeper understanding than most people will ever get from the English translation.
In our culture, we tend to think of lust as inappropriate sexual desire. A friend of mine who is very knowledgeable about the Bible explained to me that in its biblical usage, lust refers to a strong desire that is beyond need.
@@YuckerBeats I don’t know what you think it means but I’m pretty sure it means to be sensible, not given to frivolity. Of course to be sure I would need to know what the original word or phrase it was translated from. For that I would use a concordance or an interlinear. I don’t have either of those handy right now. Maybe I’ll check back later.
@@thewhatsup That’s right. Lust is idolatry. Anything you put before God is idolatry. Oftentimes when the Bible mentions fornication or adultery it is talking about idolatry. God won’t play second fiddle in anyone’s life.
@@LetsCommentator It’s not necessarily wrong to think about sex. Everyone *(especially guys and most especially young single guys)* thinks about sex frequently. God made us with a sex drive. Lust is any strong desire that is beyond need. It’s not necessarily sexual desire. Sexual desire is normal. For instance if a guy was married and his wife was not depriving him of sex but he was constantly thinking and dwelling on having sex with another man’s wife *(or really any woman other than his wife but it’s worse if she’s married to someone else)* that would be wrong. It would be lust. If a guy is single and has no way to achieve sexual satisfaction and he wakes up horny with a boner and starts thinking about sex, that’s normal. You pretty much can’t help it. Lust isn’t necessarily sexual desire. For instance, let’s say that you already have three cars, a minivan for the wife and kids, a four wheel drive pickup for work, and a nice classic car like a 67 Camaro with a big block that you enjoy working on and taking to car shows but you’re still constantly drooling over every nice car that you see. That could be lust because your transportation and recreational needs are being met. It’s a strong desire that is beyond need so it’s lust. Lust and idolatry go hand in hand. Idolatry is anything you put before God. Let’s say that you have all these cars but instead of tithing *(A tithe is the first 10% that you owe God.)* you spend that money along with money that you should really use for bills on another car or on your Camaro. That would be idolatry because you put something before God in your life. Those are examples. I used those examples because they pertain to my life. It could be other things. It’s patterns of thought and behavior. Everyone’s situation is different. I hope that helps. Let me know if you have any more questions.
The word lust has changed over the last few hundred years. It use to mean the same thing as epithumia but its now associated with corrupted sexual desires.
"Wanderlust" as just one example of something being described with "lust" in the meaning. Anyone who pays attention to words and language would, somewhere down the line sooner or later, think about things like that.
@hawkofthereborn43 Yes and there are still other remnants of the original meaning of the word lust. For example the phrase "a lust for life" needs no explanation for the majority of English speakers, but when the lust verb is used with a person, the meaning completely changes.
@@davrocket5304 Did you read the part where I stated that the English word has changed over several hundred years? Here are part of the original archaic meanings. 1. (archaic) A general want or longing, not necessarily sexual. e.g. The boarders hide their lust to go home. 2. (archaic) A delightful cause of joy, pleasure. e.g. An ideal son is his father's lasting lust. ἐπιθυμία (epithumia) means is close to exactly the same as the old English meaning of lust. A great desire or longing, not just in a negative term, but it means positive too such as Paul's ἐπιθυμία to meet with the Church. Negative use of ἐπιθυμίᾳ 1 Thessalonians 4:5 (NIV 1984) not in passionate ἐπιθυμίᾳ ("lust") like the heathen, who do not know God; Positive use of ἐπιθυμίᾳ 1 Thessalonians 2:17 (NIV 1984) But, brothers, when we were torn away from you for a short time (in person, not in thought), out of our intense ἐπιθυμίᾳ ("longing") we made every effort to see you. Another example of a word that has changed meaning over time is the word "terrific", which used to mean a negative as a terrifying experience, but now it means a positive as a great experience.
Epithymia can as readily be referring to coveting, as in the commandant about coveting your neighbor's ox. This really illustrates how easily it could have nothing to do with sexual desire or lust in the sense that we use it, at all.
There are certainly ways to eliminate fleshly desire. Or rather to transmute selfish desire into a desire to serve others - to live by compassion, grace, truth. Buddhist philosophy gives much practical advice to this end, seeing (selfish) desire as the cause of suffering, which as Seneca said, exists in our minds and not in reality. The attainment of Christ consciousness, which is perhaps the highest spiritual state we can realize in this life, certainly involves the elimination of selfish desires and transmuting those desires to the service of others. This is the example of Christ. In Buddhism it is the way of bodhisattva. In Christianity it’s the narrow path. Other religions have other names for it, but it’s definitely necessary if one is to become fully human.
I am enjoying the clarifying common misunderstandings videos that you have been making recently. I especially enjoyed "Does the gift of prophecy exist today?" and the "John 3:16"! I would love to see more of these. One incredibly common interpretation especially among more theologically conservative missionally minded baptists and presberians regards παντα τα εθνη. This is commenly interpreted in light of an anthropological definition of "people group" rather than in light of the old testament backdrop of the table of nations, the Abrahamic blessing, and prophetic texts about gentile nations coming to Yahweh. I would be interested on your take on some of these interpretations; for me, I am happy to allow modern anthropology help inform how we understand culutres, languages, and how people groups would distinguish themselves from one another, but it feels like eisegesis to me when people claim that Jesus was calling us to reach all ethno-linguistic people groups. What are your thoughts? Side note: In one of your recent videos, you mentioned that you hold a futuristic view of the book of revelation! I would love to hear more on that as well!
John Owen has a great section in The Death of Death in The Death of Christ covering παντα in some detail that was very insightful for me! He is writing to exposit some verses in the universal redeemtion/ limited atonement converstation, but nonetheless, I found it well a good survey! @@bma
Whosever looketh upon a woman, to desire her, hath committed adultery with her in his heart. You're the first I've heard teach about "lust". Thank you. More word study about lust, "Woman": It means married female. You cannot "lust" after a maiden who is not engaged, for example. It's impossible. You can desire her; and that's great! Maybe you'll even wed her.
What are you talking about? It doesnt matter if its a married woman Or not, if you want to use someones body to extract pleasure from them, you are not honoring that person, they are not objects, there is no beauty in that, so you Lust over this woman Because you do not love her you are Just using her. The same with women to men
Woman does not just refer to a married female, but a female regardless of marital status. Genesis 2 22-23 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, “This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.” Woman is the opposite of Man, regardless of marriage. God bless you
@@daabstract6182 No, woman is not the opposite of man. She is a subset of man. There is no word "wife" anywhere in the bible (neither hebrew nor greek). There is only "woman". The Ten Commandments say "Do not covet your neighbor's woman". The first woman was already married even as she was being formed. She never became one flesh with Adam. She always had been his flesh. You need to stop trying to teach. Ignorance is not a grave sin. But, teaching while in ignorance of the Torah will be harshly punished.
One thing I noticed here is how the word "world" means something different depending on context. Suppose you're trying to talk to an atheist about this; "The world is passing away, but the ways of God are forever", they'd look at it on the cosmic scale, "the Earth is literally dying" and think "well yeah, but I'll die first, and I don't even know if God's real, so I'll just focus on enjoying my life here and now, to hell with the guilt-tripping." But if you rephrase it as "The desires of life are _always_ passing away one after the other, but the ways of God are forever", it suddenly reframes it. The verse isn't talking about planetary longevity that has nothing to do with you outside a hypothetical afterlife; the verse is saying "Everything you want is _always_ breaking, _always_ changing, _always_ outside of your control to preserve; the Earth isn't a place of permanence, everything's temporary. But the discipline and priorities God gives you will never fail." Suddenly that's not a vague future-promose; that's pragmatic life advice for right now this minute.
Interesting. Here is my two cents to contribute to the discussion you've launched with this thoughtful video. This seems to be a distinction without a difference. Using your example of 1 Pet. 2:11 in the NIV, the translation is "sinful desire." We have an English word that means sinful desire (or wrongful craving, or like you mentioned, "corrupted desire"), "lust." So, lust is a perfectly correct translation. The problem for today's reader may be that the word lust has been used so heavily in one context that it seems to be limited in use solely to the realm of sexual desire; thus the problem you are getting at, believers are then missing the point. People can lust for power, lust for material things, etc. @AndrewVirginia's reference in the LXX to covet may make that an even better word choice because it's tied to the language of the commandment. Either way, the focus should be on making sure people understand the broad range of meaning lust has in English, which is where the problem seems to lie. By the way, the NIV really made a mess of the translation of 1 Jn 2:16-17, translating ἐπιθυμία as lust in both places in v.16 and desire in v.17. So, translating this as desire in One additional thought, if "desire" is okay -- which I think we can all agree it is for all the reasons you identified here -- then using lust is a good means of dividing healthy desire from corrupted desire. So, in the 1 Jn passage, if the passage in 1 Jn were translated as desire in all three places, then the text would mean that ALL desire of the world of whatever form is bad and passing away. That could be the point, i.e., the "desire of the world," contrasted with the desire of things of the spirit, is passing away altogether. I'll think about that, but it seems too broad for the context of the passage. John is telling us not to love the world, which seems like an intensified from of desire, i.e., lust.
The question is: are you aligning your desire and its consequences with that which is spiritually productive (e.g. to reap an eternal result), or is that desire merely "treading water" (neither or nor cold) or in fact yielding the opposite result? The most conspicuous current example is the use of birth control to limit or eliminate children altogether. I say "current" example rather than "modern", because surprisingly - birth control also existed when the New Testament was written. Accordingly, scripture condemns it (Greek "pharmakai")...and usually condemns it in the same breath as adultery (a key occasion where birth-control is "desirable"). And no, by the way, I am not a Catholic...I am not even Christian. My observation comes from spiritual truth, not ecclesiastic doctrine.
Hey this is an eye opener. Thanks for sharing. This helps to put many “gospel” proposals in a proper light. Our desire to help others for example isn’t necessarily wrong, but it also isn’t necessarily the Spirit of God moving you to go there. It’s also kinda frightening because it broadens the sin problem a bit…..
Wait a minute...helping others is not the Spirit of God, you say..???? What God do You believe in??? If I were you, I'd get ready to get in line: soon we will all be there for a gallon of water...see you. I only have one gallon..sorry.
I don't know if using the world lust in a translation in and of itself is necessarily a bad thing. It comes down to the object of desire, the degree of desire and the goal of desire as to whether it progresses to being considered something bad. It then becomes helpful if we use the word desire for things that aren't necessarily wrong versus the overwhelming, obsessive desire that places hope for fulfillment in things that aren't worthy of such desire and that become idolatrous, using the word lust based on such context helps to delineate a difference.
The word lust finds its origin in old Germanic. In my native language Dutch, the word lust does not have a negative connotation. It refers to taste (ik lust dit niet means I don’t like the taste). Lust is about, taste and the pleasure associated with taste. Just as food can be desirable, tastes good: that is lust. Meanings of words evolve, hundred year ago gay just meant pleasant. But who even remembers that in the current controversy. In Greek, it is important to recognize the effect of the prefix, in this case epi in epithymeo. It accentuates the root word thymos (passion). We have this still in some words such as epicenter, epidermal etc.
This actually isn't a problem of language but of thought and reflection. I, and others I know, came to these same conclusions, and many teachers teach this, without appealing to semantic differences between Greek and English.
Oh wow! This also means desires themselves can either align with submission to Christ...or not. And that implies any desire could itself be sinful. The implications are enormous. Adds a whole new dimension to living Corum Deo that's for sure.
The point is that when we fail to override and overcome our self serving instincts, we will act to serve our animal flesh and act to make ourselves the object of worship.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 📜 *Translations of the Bible can significantly influence how we perceive concepts like desire and lust.* 01:09 💭 *The Greek word "epithumia" translated as "desire" has both positive and negative connotations, emphasizing the importance of context in interpretation.* 02:46 ❌ *Translating "epithumia" as "fleshly desires" clarifies its negative aspect, contrasting it with positive desires.* 04:57 🤔 *"Lust" as commonly understood in English may not fully capture the breadth of meaning conveyed by "epithumia," potentially leading to misunderstanding.* 06:01 🔍 *James 1:15 highlights how desires, even if not inherently sinful, can lead to sin in a fallen world.* 08:43 💡 *The key issue is not desire itself but corrupted desires, which lead to sinful actions.* 09:55 📏 *Understanding desires on a spectrum helps discern between objectively good and evil desires, guiding Christians toward godly desires.* 11:17 🛠️ *Studying biblical languages like Greek can aid in deeper understanding and interpretation of scripture.* Made with HARPA AI
Lust is desire. You can't say lust is a poor choice of translation when you are modern English speaker criticizing a very old English translation. Bloodlust. Lust for power. Etc. Lust is desire. It became something more about sexual desire later. At least that's how I perceive it. I might be wrong, but I am right about lust being a lot more flexible than you're giving it credit for. Edit: no. I am right. Look up the etymology of the word lust. It always meant desire. Not just sexual desire.
Yes 👍🏼 much easier … mistranslations of words language are hugely responsible for misunderstandings and misdirections… especially more when from one core language to another where approximate words are used where there is no equivalent in the translated.
What i see here is the word *lust* is being used as a strong descriptive word in an attempt to emphasize an idea/point bring spoken. Like, its one thing to desire something, but lust (in this context) would imply your fantasizing and drooling over whatever your desiring. Like a desire of a stronger form. Ive seen this with other words as well. Its very important that we carefully discern the message throughout scripture as a whole so that we can recognize "typos" in the modern translations like your doing right now. There are more than than this one. And as I learn more about the word, the more I see how specific the word is worded. And the more we mistranslate stuff, the more we run the risk of changing its message little by little. Which is dangerous. One other ive seen is the term "sin nature" being used in place of "flesh". We Christians don't have the sin nature anymore. We've had that circumcised from our hearts and given a new holy nature. However we do battle the flesh from time to time (Galatians 5 or 6). The flesh is not the sin nature. Related, yes. But not the same.
Absolutely correct. Additionally, the context of Matthew 5:27-28 is clearly about “adultery,” not a man who sexually desires a single woman who's available for marriage. Jesus is saying that if you “desire” or “covet” (the translation of ἐπιθυμία in Romans 7:7) another man's wife, you have already committed “adultery” with her in your heart by violating the tenth commandment: “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; *you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife* or his male slave or his female slave or his ox or his donkey *or anything that belongs to* your neighbor.” (Exodus 20:17) Moreover, I believe “covet” here is restricted to *unlawfully* desiring what belongs to your neighbor. For example, there’s no sin in coveting or desiring your neighbor’s possessions if he puts them up for sale. Nor is it sinful to covet or desire your neighbor’s wife if he dies, and she’s now a widow who’s available for marriage.
Yeshugn's desire was the fact that the last supper took place the day before the Passover Sedar. His desire was the knowing he wouldn't be there the next evening.
At 1:41 isn’t that a totally different use of the word , “desire”, vs saying, for example, I desire that car, to be with that girl (maybe girlfriend), to have my own business, to have a great physique. Or, actually I desire HIS car (coveting. A cousin to lust?), or to go to bed with her. His desire is to share time with people he cares about. Who could fault agape/filial love. So, what you’re doing is saying that we have generalized the word, making IT an issue, when it’s really…context/translation/corruption of desire. The book, “Think and Grow Rich” comes to my mind, as a book that might be questioned by some Christians. It’s cornerstone is “desire”. A want for a better life.
I believe the Bible is describing "Godly desires" vs. "sexual lusts/desires," which are evil in certain context; like sex outside marriage, adultery, prostitution. Yet, sex within the covenant of marriage is Godly - "womens desires will be for her husband."
I do not understand why the word "lust" is such a bad translation in many of these examples. Merriam-Websters has a definition for "lust" as "intense longing: craving." It is not always associated with lasciviousness. I think (off the top of my head) the word "lust" has almost exclusively negative conotations, and the said scriptures use "epithumia" negatively. If you have studied the Bible for some time, you already know that "lust" in these examples goes beyond sexual desire. God wants us in control of ourselves at all times, including our sexual relationships with our spouses. Give no open door to the enemy.
Great presentation! Having a lusty appetite is not a bad thing, if its controlled by temperance! Its all a matter of control and priorities, spiritual, but not ignoring a healthy appreciation of the physical!
It’s interesting that you are looking in deeper to look at a more appropriate meaning of the Greek “desire” in relation to the passages you mentioned because Matthew 5:28 in Shem Tov’s Hebrew Matthew has it as “desire” and not lust. This becomes even more profound when read in Matthew 5:28 in Hebrew because this now encompasses what the woman has or possesses. So if a married man “desires” the woman’s body, wealth, material posessions, influence stature over his wife…this becomes adultery in the eyes of Yeshua (aka Jesus).
I wonder how many religious people have imitated famous or praised 'good' people like Mother Teresa and others because they were envious of the praise ? The desire to obey the Father and only the Father consumed Jesus...He burned with that. "The zeal for Thy house consumes me..." Human praise is very dangerous and the celebrity culture in "good" people the most dangerous of all. When we die God will not say, "Why weren't you like Mother Teresa or John Wesley or Desmond Tutu ." but rather, "Why weren't you your true self?"
The Douay-Rheims translation just translate epithumia it by concupiscence, directly from the Vulgate "concupiscentia", that is "desire for something forbidden".
hi biblical mastery academy i have been curious about this for awhile now simply for understanding sake but polygamy was never denounced in the bible but the passage in peters declaration of what it takes to lead a church or a biblical body of believers talks about being a husband of one wife leading well their own family and i know theology just immediately tell you of course it means just one wife blah bah blah but no one ever looks at the translation and original language to tell me is that actually what it says or does it say like my friend says that you need to be a husband of at east one wife to show you can lead other people in a Godly way?
In the screenshot of the video...in the translation word, isnt one of the symbols used for pi? And i dont mean pie.... i mean pi as in 3.14529....i forget the rest.
Sexual desire is an abstraction. As a man you can a desire for your wife. You could also desire a woman who not your wife. Its not rocket science to figure which desire will lead to sin. The problem is the "purists" who forget they are alive on earth, and are in the flesh have need prostrate themselves just because they exist.
What? God's desires are nowhere, anywhere near man's lusts which are carnal selfish, and self-serving. It is what is in the heart and what comes out of a man that pollutes him.
So the closer you get to the original semantic intent of the Word, the more it resembles Greco-Buddhism, etc.. Weird. Buddhism opposes all desire in general, and idealizes the goal of ridding yourself of all desire of any type, in favor of asceticism as a path to enlightenment/etc.
I don't think this is the right way to characterize it. Desire is inherently good - God has desires. The problem is that we are corrupt, which means our desires are impure and mixed with rebellion against God.
@@bma That makes sense to me. I watched Bishop Barron right after this video speaking at Google on the difference between Buddhism and Christianity in terms of desire, and he said basically the same thing, bringing up the concept of a true self and a false self. (2 mins:) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9aLPiADfJ90.htmlsi=d8rECBQlPZXX4Nzp
@@dorcasmcleod9439thats your opinion, buddhist People would say other wise, Or Maybe they would say that there is no Absolute truth, which is more of a truth Than your idea that chriatianity is the word of god. Who are you to tell such lies.? You know nothing Just like everyone else
This is a really good video. Thank you for pointing out the way epithumia has been used - for desires that are good and desires that are bad. Even a good desire (like a desire to eat a delicious meal) can become a bad desire when it turns into gluttony, when we can't stop, when we want that more than obeying God.
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Crazy how much Catholic thought has influenced Christian thinking; in an explanation about Lust being essentially over-desire, one uses "Gluttony" to demonstrate a extreme. Is it natural that the Catholic sin and the definition of intense desire for food are synonymous? Perhaps, but I still uphold that too many Catholic definitions and influences plague Christianity.
What blew my mind was finding out the LXX uses this exact word "epithumeo" to translate "covet" from the tenth commandment both in Exodus and Deuteronomy. We see then that in Matthew 5 (the Greek word "gyne" here meaning woman or wife depending on context) Jesus is not saying "whoever looks at a woman with lust..." but rather "whoever looks at a wife with covetousness." This makes Jesus saying something strangely consistent with the law of Moses, surprise, surprise.
This is correct. Covetousness is the base issue. It is a violation of the spirit of the Law. Sexual sin begins with covetousness. Theft etc... The outward sin begins with the inward fallen heart. Like Eve in the Garden...
@@davidw.5185 well, if you're looking at the tenth commandment, it's a violation of the actual letter of the law. What Jesus is doing is drawing a connection between the seventh commandment and the tenth commandment. He is saying that the crime of adultery begins with another sin, the sin of coveting another man's wife. Even if it stops before getting to the point of adultery, it is the motivating force behind adultery and is therefore adultery of the heart.
@AndrewofVirginia Yes, we all violate the law both in Spirit and often in deed--inwardly and outwardly. But whatever the combination, even one violation is a sign of the inward sin nature and the wages of sin is death. Ultimately everything comes back to a violation of the first commandment to have no other gods. Are you out of the Reformed or Arminian branch of theology?
Greek speaker here: Epi = on that which it stands - Thimia = incense/smoke. Put together = The overarching smoke. Symbolically: a desire which resonates. The English word Lust = a desire for the wrong thing. When it comes to shreczual desire, why is it bad? 1. You have it toward someone that doesn't belong to you. "Thou shall not covet the neighbor's wife") 2. Which is the problem with pro sti stution. That person does not belong to you. Which is the problem with pr0n0gr4ph7. Your mind is bonding with a person that is not yours. That's all.
@@Lmaxk007 xa xa! File, einai to noima afto. O thimos sta nea Ellinika einai san na bganei kapnos apo to kefali sou. Sta palia Ellinika, Thimia simaine Thimiama (incense). Eivai symboliko oti to mialo sou kaiei mesa sou. Gia afto einai "Anger" = thymos tora.
"ἐπί" - a preposition that can also mean "upon" or "on." "θυμός" - a noun meaning "passion," "heart," or "desire." Therefore, "ἐπιθυμία" is translated as a strong desire or passion that comes upon or arises within an individual. Your symbolic interpretation is interesting, but nowhere is this taught lexically.
@@nikolasmakarios8344 Yes I'm not looking at it lexically. In the Koine Greek, "thymos" means incense. Now I'm not an expert in the Koine, but in modern Greek "thymos" means "anger". There is a clear etymology of the original word. In the modern Greek, we say "einai thymomenos" (he's angry). When tied to the original word, we could say "he's emanating something from his head, heat, incense, etc" . It's typical to draw people that are angry with their eyebrows slanted inward, and wavy lines going out of their head, for example. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but in Greek we use a lot of words that have double meanings. The days of the week: Deftera, Triti, Tertarti, Pemti, etc. I bet you don't think about them other than "Monday, Tuesday, Wed". But think for a second. Deftera is "the 2nd Day (Imera is feminine, hence defteri imera = deftera), the 3rd day is "triti" (the 3rd), etc etc. Why are they named like that? Because Kiriaki is the day of The Lord, kai deftera eina ti defteri mera meta tin imera tou Kiriou. Kai yiati einai Sabbato Sabbato? Einai yia metagrafi tou Sabbatou. Polles alles lexeis ehoun proelefsi sta palia Ellinika. Gia paradigma "Kolasi", simainai "Hell" sta nea Ellinika, alla sta palia Ellinika, "Kolasis" simanai timoria. I lexi einai pio basiki, kai mono sto syncrono plaisio simanai ti syntheti simasia pou echei tora :)
@@mywifesboyfriendisfire But they do have different ways of thinking. Every language you master makes you think in a different way. It has it's way of thinking not in the way of the language literally thinking, but in the way of the language possessing its own unique way of thinking that is forced upon you when using that language fluently.
@@KingArthurWs You may have studied linguistics however, you seem to have missed the lesson about understanding the written word. I did not write "become somewhat fluent". I have clearly written "master". You need to at the very least be able to think in that language without any issues - just like in your native tongue. People who master multiple languages will simply switch between them, sometimes even mid sentence, as certain concepts are simply easier to clarify in a different language. The choice of words, the meanings associated with those. All of them are different between the languages. For example - certain turns of phrases are considered polite in one language, and, when translated literally, rude in another. All of those change the way you think. Part of it is because when you learn a language - you are absorbing the culture it is used in. After all, the needs of that culture are what has molded the language into what it is today. If you are not surrounded by native speakers of a language, you seriously limit the proficiency level you can achieve in it. Oftentimes purely academic learning impairs your skill as you need to unlearn bad habits and dead vocabulary that you have acquired. As such, I don't know how much this applies to dead languages like Latin, where there are no native speakers and the cultural word associations are long since lost. If I had to guess, you are learning it together with your native tongue's way of thinking - thus making the two appear the same.
@@TelhiasThe Sapir-Whorf hypothesis that your thinking is defined by your language is pretty conclusively rejected as incorrect these days. Rather the opposite is true - language evolves in accord with thought, and this is precisely why new words are constantly coined. Your thoughts are influenced by the thoughts of others, but the linguistic aspect is essentially a transparent veil.
Lust is a covetous desire. Covetousness is violating others to satisfy yourself. I believe that is why Jesus uses the example of a man 'lusting' after a married woman having already committed adultery (not fornication) in his heart. He has a desire that violates another - particularly her husband but you could also say the marriage covenant that involves God.
Yes we can desire single people. There is nothing wrong with finding another human attractive and desiring them in various ways. I'm assuming we are talking opposite sex attraction - man/woman. The innocent and harmless desire becomes sin when it is aimed at something that is out of bounds for you ie, she is married and belongs to someone else (In Jesus day a wife was literally the property of her husband). Or the car you desire belongs to someone else. This is 'lust' or more accurately, covetousness which is the actual Commandment - thou shalt not covet. To covet something is to desire that which belongs to someone else - I want that mans car. It is not when you desire something that does not belong to you ie, you desire a single woman. @samirdoncic6395
@samirdoncic6395 This question was answered in the first 3 min of the video. Desire in itself is fine, what matters is the nature of your desire. Do you desire to know this person, to maybe marry them and create a family. Or are your desires more base and animalistic. More selfish? I think that's the point.
What is wrong with desire? Desiring more for yourself, desiring the best for your family or desiring a closer relationship with God. Desire can motivate you to actually take action to improve things, to change a bad situation to a better one. Most inventions were created out of a desire to improve the way we do things. God uses our desire to bring us closer to Him, so He can't then criticise something He uses Himself.
@@dhenderson1810 God isn't talking about those types of desire but of the desire of the flesh. What He is talking about would be corrupt desires. Not every desire is bad. It's the same with pride, not all pride is necessarily evil. For example Galatians 6:4 tells you you can be proud of the works that you did. You cannot tell me God doesn't want you to be proud of your kids when they get good grades for example. If you would not be proud of your kids you would be an awful parent. Which i don't belief God wants you to be. So how i see it is that not all desire is bad just the desire of the flesh that wants to pull you away from God, that includes lust.
The foolishness of this comment is astounding. You think a man who is deceiving you is revealing 'spiritual truths'. You could have debunked this video with a dictionary.
@@recsporteducation4594 A true follower of Christ Jesus has the Holy Spirit as their teacher. The Word of God is preserved in the scriptures, and the King James translation is an accurate and complete English translation. What is the key message? The gospel of Christ Jesus: the one way that man can gain everlasting life.
when i was a new christian i descovered sin ment making a mistake "missing the mark", it changed my understanding of my walk in so much significance its imesurable here. lerning lust is a weak word too, i see as equally freeing and believe today i have recieved the key to defeting the problems i have with food. thankyou for sharing
@@buddharocketyes but I think the point they are trying to make as one mistake is not as catastrophic as some might think and what that action particularly is might really be equal to the damage done. I’m not sure if I agree with the op as I’ve never heard this before but it is interesting to think on.
The only definition the Bible gives for sin is “transgression of the law”. I wouldn’t really worry about the wordings used to convey these topics so long as you understand that ANY sin must result in death. It’s why we need Jesus. Without his gift, we would be hopelessly lost and doomed to die. Luckily, if you accept the gift and let the Holy Spirit into you, you can reach a point of sanctification where you eventually stop sinning.
@@thebiggestpanda1 Hello. I'm glad that here on Earth, we don't punish every crime with a death sentence, and we allow ourselves to forgive each other without need for bloodshed atonement. I have to add, the punishment sinners face is mildly worse than death. They face eternal suffering and misery. A bit excessive for someone who occasionally thinks about food and sex. Sorry to butt in on a video and conversation that probably isn't for me. I hope you have a good start to a new year.
@@kalebkendall4786 Hi there! Yes, you are right, a fiery, never ending punishment does seem harsh! Good news! It isn't true! Unfortunately you've been taught by people who are quite ignorant of what the Scriptures say, nor do they have an understanding of the Character and Mercy of their God. The doctrine of "eternal hell", on the record, was conceived by selfish men to scare people into submission and cement their authority as the "church" by people who were "Christian" in name only. Such a horrible thought never even entered the Mind of God. He is much, much more Merciful and long suffering towards us than people realize. His desire is reconciliation, not damnation. He is not giving up on His Creation! He will have nothing less than total success! If you look at the Greek words translated as "eternal" and "everlasting", they do not mean "time without end". Aion and Aionian literally mean, "an age, with an unknown duration". So when Jesus says that separation is "eternal", what He really means is, "it lasts as long as it lasts". When one repents of their sins and gets back on the path, they move from "hell" back to "heaven". They are spiritual "states", you see. To be in "hell" means that you are disconnected from your Creator. You are aimless, without direction, full of uncertainty about yourself, what you should do, and what God thinks about you. It is NOT God's desire that you remain in that state. He came down to us as His Son, The Representation of His Character to show how one could walk properly before God in life and pass into "heaven" while still on Earth. All of mankind was created by God to be imperfect, to have unclean desires and fall short of His Law. He does not condemn us for being what we are created to be. He's lets us do our own thing for a while so that we may understand that we are capable of all sorts of evil, that we cannot help but do what is displeasing to Him. When people have exhausted themselves looking for fulfillment in their own power, He comes in as their Savior to start over, teaching them one by one, bit by bit, how to live properly, doing what is right before man and God, so that all are blessed.
It's funny that I've been catching myself using the word "lust" recently when referring to things I want outside of a sexual context, and trying to stop myself from using it that way. But, now I've stumbled upon this video and am rethinking things lol. Excellently explained, brother!
I wouldn’t fall into that mindset because you still have to consider how the common person receives your word. Understanding the denotation of the word “lust” is proper when reading and studying the Bible but in colloquial terminology the word lust will be perceived negatively regardless of what you try to explain. I don’t think anyone, even you, will find it enjoyable to have to explain yourself every time you use the word lust in substitution to a word like desire because it would be exhausting. So I wouldn’t use the word lust outside the common understanding when communicating on a daily basis bc it’ll just be a headache and could make it where people perceive you negatively.
@@petifogger2340 yeah I wouldn’t use it for anything in public, I guess I mean more when I’m alone and talking to myself. I sure would get some weird looks proclaiming my lust for potato chips in the snack aisle lol.
There’s a difference too between having an impulsive, natural, momentary thought and entertaining the thought. Looking at a woman to lust after her is not the same as having a lustful thought while you happen to be looking at a woman. The first requires an active participation. The second is only a problem if you choose to entertain the thought instead of taking it captive and making it obedient to Christ.
Sexual desire outside of marriage is a sin. It seems almost impossible to imagine those 1st century men walking in a modern waterpark with thousands of gals in bikini's and not desiring or just keeping their eyes shut...LoL
According to who? The Bible tells several stories of men and women engaging in sex outside of marriage with prostitutes, concubines, slaves, and even family members.
Who likes to eat always at the same restaurant? who likes to trap his feet always in the same stinky sneaker? Time changes the loveliness in a person, so it changes the possibility of being lovable and loved. Period.... And ....has anyone found yet the recipe to redirect the aim of a man's true drive? The little guy down in the zipper has a mind of its own, and there is no lipstick that can truly prevail....so..this is not a question of drive, this is a question of being in that narrow gap of life when we are loved and desired because we are lovable....God, Laws, and all the other timewasting interpretations cheat our entitlement to happiness in this only life we have. Instead of questioning words, we should apply the Laws of cleanliness ipon which all the Bible is based on, and seek only clean partners, because 80% of illness out thereb
“Sexual desire outside of marriage is a sin?” Wow! Do you Christians ever hear yourselves talking? So, a man whose wife has died, technically ending his marriage, sexually desiring her in loneliness, is “sinning? How about all the people, like slaves, who weren’t allowed to be married? Were they sinners? Your Jesus was caught in Gethsemane Garden in the wee hours of the morning, either a naked child: Mark 14:51-52 New International Version 51 A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52 he fled naked, leaving his garment behind. He also routinely had another man resting on his chest, SUS! John 13:23-38 New King James Version 23 Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24 Simon Peter therefore motioned to him to ask who it was of whom He spoke. 25 Then, leaning back on Jesus’ breast, he said to Him, “Lord, who is it?” So, TWICE John lays on Jesus’ chest. I don’t know of any man that lays on another man who isn’t GAY! In fact, early theologians argued whether Jesus was gay and or had a child fetish. This is fact! Religious people are truly everything wrong with this world. Your false doctrines and ridiculous theologies, mistranslations and yet, you’re trying to proselytize the world! No one’s anymore listening to the lies of Christianity, except Christians. Good luck with all that! And the Book of Phillip has Jesus kissing Mary Magdalene on the lips - OFTEN! You have no idea who Jesus is, which isn’t even his name! It’s ISHO!
Numbers 11:4-6 is a perfect illustration of this. It is an inner war between what God has purposed for us and what we want instead by our worldly myopic view of pleasure. We always seek the lesser love. Numbers 11:4-6 [4] Now the rabble that was among them had a strong craving. And the people of Israel also wept again and said, “Oh that we had meat to eat! [5] We remember the fish we ate in Egypt that cost nothing, the cucumbers, the melons, the leeks, the onions, and the garlic. [6] But now our strength is dried up, and there is nothing at all but this manna to look at.”
Can you do a video of the word "woman"? I ask because in the same way people confuse lust with desire the word woman in the verse where Jesus tells us not to lust after a woman the word actually means "married woman" when translated. Unfortunately people have been taught that having a sexual desire(lust) for a single female is a sin but since the 10 commandments God has always told us we shouldnt desire our neighbors wife aka woman.
In the OT translations the phrase "young man" is regularly used in reference to a servant or slave rather than according to age. This is how we get David, a "young man" who was yet described to Saul as a mighty warrior. Evidence from his life and interactions with his brothers give the impression that, as the youngest, he was treated more as a servant than as a beloved son. Also when Jonathan shot the arrows into the field he sent his "young man" after them, meaning this was not a child but a servant. This translation leads to faulty Sunday School images of a child of 10 or 12 throwing rocks at Goliath.
@@trevrockrock16An older teen or young man can sling a stone with the equivalent force of a .44 magnum. A ten year old can’t, their arms aren’t long enough with a stick sling.
Because in the chapter before the episode of Goliath we see David being introduced to Saul as "a mighty warrior". In the Levitical law a man could not be counted as a man of war under the age of 18 (16?). Therefore, taking scripture in the context of which it is written David must have been at least 18 (16?). Also even with a sling a 10 year old would not be able to generate enough force to kill, nor would he have the strength to use the sword of a 9 foot tall man to chop off his head.@@trevrockrock16
@@WisdomThumbs Yes, but God can strengthen a 10 year old David to make him hit harder than a PGM Hecate II... Nonetheless, David seems to be an adolescent at least if we read the Bible and analyze how he acted.
I noticed the issue of "lust" / "desire" many years back. The understanding made me wonder whether we were "setting the bar" differently than where it was intended. "I don't lust for my neighbors wife", but if he "desires" that his wife had the cooking abilities of his neighbor's wife, perhaps he is just as guilty? You asked for another inconsistent translations, and I found with an anomaly with the Hebrew word Chesed - which is variously translated as "Mercy", "Grace", "Lovingkindness", etc - very positive things. But, there is one exception where the translators render it as "DISgrace" or similar negative meanings. Leviticus 20:17 “’If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a DISGRACE. They are to be publicly removed from their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible." There is no modifier to suggest that Chesed should be rendered as a negative here. Though, obviously the context clearly indicates that a bad thing is going on here. It just seems weird that this be the one and only location where Chesed is a bad thing instead of a good thing.
Excellent point. I have noticed in some concordances (eg James Strong’s) that most entries for Hebrew words also include one possible negative translation of the word. This has always intrigued me. An explanation of this aspect of Hebrew would be very helpful.
You just helped me figure out a way to verbalize reprobate behaviors in a softer sounding way. They say it’s “love” but it is unclean, reprobate, sinful, wrong, but now we know it’s not love at all these sinners feel. They have disgraced desires continually.
@@kittycat8222 I‘m going to assume you’re talking about homosexuality? If so I‘d be very interested how you square your exclusionary definition of love with the fact that love and sexual desire are two different things and that even you believe that men can share a deep, loving bond (such as brothers, a father with his sons, long time friends, Jesus and his followers) and the same goes for women. Nothing has to change about a meaningful, strong emotional connection if you add sexual attraction, so why should the latter feeling delegitimize the former? Is it still love in your view if a man who‘s attracted to other men shares such a bond without ever acting on his sexual desires? What if the other person in that relationship feels no sexual attraction to other men but shares all the others feelings of affection? Do we now have a weird situation where you would describe the exact same feelings as love from one perspective and as “continual disgraced desires“ from the other? This seems contradictory to me and like the reason you were so quick to accept this new idea is just because it gives you further justification to hate your neighbor since it‘s “not *real* love“.
@@mekullag You explained yourself clearly and was not too hatful toward me so I guess all I can reply is, Sin is described at “missing the mark”. (GOD’s word) That would mean “trying but not quite making it”. “Almost getting it but still not there”. Maybe you would agree. It’s about the aim. It’s off the mark. Should siblings “love” like you imply? Parents aimed at children? That “kind of love”? No it’s miss aimed. Misses the mark- a sin. It’s about the desires of the heart. “Our hearts are lairs” (Bible)if we desire wicked things. If the men who claim to romantically love each other want (but CHOOSE NOT)to touch each other sexually, look at each other with lust/sexual excitement, or talk sexual or dirty (aimed at) to each other sure sure that can be a non homosexual partnership. Since the homosexual actions would be void. Homosexuality is a behavior. A label for an action/s. Not the way someone is born. Should I agree with and exalt the murderer for earning his label through actions? How about the arsonist? The thief? Should I expose their wickedness like God’s word says and not do those things? Right. Do I hate those arsonists and homosexuals personally? No. I feel sorrow for the lost. I love them and feel heartache for my lost brothers and sisters. Edit; and since they or you deleted my reply to your last post I will say unto you. I will pray for your deliverance. No art of wickedness could dazzle me away from the truth.
Great commentary here. In Psalm 16 it talks about pleasure in the presence of God. Some Christian’s think that taking away all pleasure is godly but that’s just will power. The thing is exchanging finding pleasure in the world with finding pleasure in the things of God.
Yes, lust is what I believe it to be, in accordance with the Word of God. It is an inordinate desire of the free will of man in direct contradiction to the desires of the Almighty for man. It is willful disobedience, when pursued for selfish reasons or vain glory.
@@NewsChannel-y4g Thank you, that's very kind of you. Pass it along if you think it will be a blessing to others. “Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.” (Psalms 27:14)
Is it a sin to have lustfull desires within the sanctity of marriage? These feelings are no different to the lustfull desire you have outside of marriage. Ie the emotion or thought doesn’t alter its state because it is aware you are involved with the object of your desire within the sanctity of marriage. These are the emotions God created after all. Seems to me that we as humans are all guilty of second guessing the will of God and sometimes use linguistic gymnastics to express our own thoughts and feelings on the matter then demand others do likewise.
Awesome video. I would say it’s possible that translators wanted to emphasize the negative effects of letting a desire run rampant. All these things we have in our lives are stumbling blocks if we allow them to be. We may desire them cleanly, but for some people, the cliff over which we may fall into the pit of a spoiled desire (lust, for example) is very slippery and easy to fall over.
@@trevrockrock16look into the story of the tower of Babylon. There used to be only one language, but God split mankind up so that we had to keep working hard in order to collaborate
@@trevrockrock16This is why I use the Scriptures Bible rather than other English translations solely because of how poorly done virtually all of them are from the original Greek, Aramaic, & Hebrew.
It seems to me that the problem with using the English word "lust" is not that lust is negative and (perhaps) extreme, but that we (I?) tend to limit it to a sexual context. As fallen human creatures, we have a variety of fleshly desires that can lead to sin -- perhaps related to any activity that produces endorphins.
Desire in itself is not bad. We can desire to know God. Desiring to see someone in pain however is not a good thing and points to evil in your own will. I see your point. It is pretty ridiculous that we cannot be honest concerning our desires. The Bible says anyone who claims to be without sin is a liar. I have fleshly desires that I struggle against by the grace of God. I also have desires given to me by the Holy Spirit, God Himself.
Indeed. The Spirit of the Law is broken internally before it is ever broken outwardly. Eve coveted the fruit of the tree, before she physically ate of it. Covetousness is a manifestation of the concupiscence--the fallen nature of the Old Adam.
Very comprehensive and distinctive discussion of the nuance of desire. Excellent contrast between "spiritual" and "fleshly" desires in a very centered fashion. Thank you so much. Marty
I came to the following realization some time ago: Seven cardinal sins are merely normal human desires, brought to an extreme. Without hunger, we would all go extinct. Same with the desire to procreate. Anger can be just, like when Christ throws the merchants out of the temple, and laziness can lead to great inventions, that make other people's lives easier. As long as these desires serve _you,_ I would say there's nothing inherently wrong with them. The problem begins when you start to serve _them._ Uncontrolled hunger turns into gluttony. Uncontrolled anger turns into a destructive wrath. When you allow laziness to take control over your life, it becomes a self-destructive sloth, same as lust. It was never about living an ascetic life, without _any_ pleasures. It was about practising pleasure in moderation, and not allowing the strong emotions to take complete hold over you.
I got into studying this topic one day reflecting on psalm 23: the Lord is my shepherd, i shall not want. I wanted to understand why "want" was negative in this context. It went through several avenues from desire and lust, to wanting more than God gives you... wanting more than God, even. In those studies, i began to understand the nature of lust and what it meant to our relationship with God and how it destroys that relationship. Eve wanted, though God had said no already. "I shall not want."
Επιθυμία, (=desire) in Greek language comes from two words :επι + θυμός... θυμός = Has to do with anger and frustration.... The kind od emotional state where we need to express but not to make any decisions or avoid say harsh words etc ..... But when we add the word επι + θυμός or επιθυμία, has a new meaning... It means that somehow I have made a concrete effort to find logic and discipline to anger, lust, lower emotional states, and bring the whole situation to a higher level of desire with kindness, wisdom, humanity.....a conscious approach..... Something like that anyway... Evi
Brother John Sheasby has been teaching on this for decades. He adds another dimension to it. Elsewhere in the comments you have spoken of desire being both orderly or disordered, and too strong or too weak. However, should I ever have an orderly desire for sex outside of heterosexual marriage? Or a weak desire for friendship? John Sheasby talks about our desires being stimulated by God or the world. Another commenter mentioned that a modern man would definitely lust if he walked through a Waterpark full of women in bikinis... but he chose to walk through it. This is an example of having to cut off anything that causes you to sin. Don't go there in the first place! Living and walking in the Spirit means being in communion with God and allowing Him to direct and guide you every day, as Jesus did. So if you walk in the Spirit you will not fulfill the "lusts of the flesh".
This really helped clear up some confusion I was having about 2Peter1:4. Reading it with the correct interpretation helps me see that the subject is about the old corrupted nature, evidenced by its desires, is in contrast to the divine nature we now have access to.
Such an excellent explanation! I would suspect the work koinonia could also be explored. Communion, fellowship, sharing as concepts that overlap but share (haha) some commonality.
Just wanted to say thanks for this comment. My struggle with wanting what isn't wanted. Is a strange one. For example during Christmas, Mom offered some cookies. And I know how much she enjoys cookies. And who doesn't want a cookie sometimes right? So initially the resistance was there. And was feeling guilty "Wanting a cookie" "That was offered" "Knowing she enjoys cookies" 😢😢 But when she said she didn't like that type of cookie. Guess who grabbed up those cookies? 😊 Just admitting there was a small amount of stress for this situation. And this comment made me feel better about my initial refusal. 😊 Thanks again. ❤ However funny thing is. When I could I did. So I'm a proved cookie coveter. Just glad for Jesus 😊
Amen. One of the things that changes when we change our focus from sin we commit to desires is we see how much we need Christ. He then becomes more sweet to us as we see that our corruption is much deeper than just what we do. Christ is sufficient to save us from all our sin - including our corrupted thoughts and desires!
@@JamesJones-mt9co There is a careful distinction between the two covet vs desire. Perhaps one "Desires a day off". Even if this the case perhaps they will work. If one covets a day off, the Phone call happens and action applied. Thus we can define covetousness as the Action starting a function that would give the effect of the desire. This is why I'm a cookie converter lol. I took those cookies and ate them hahaha.
@@Ordinal_Yoda I think it's a linguistic decision Greek-speakers had to make when attempting to render the meaning of a Hebrew word into their own language. All coveting is desire. Not all desire is coveting. To be specific, coveting means a particular kind of desire: the desire to have what rightfully belongs to another. It is essentially the desire that provides the motivation for theft, and theft is exactly what adultery was for an ancient Israelite. The Mosaic Law clearly presents it this way, as a matter of property right infringement, because in ancient patriarchal society women were given as wives or concubines by fathers to husbands. A breach of sexual exclusivity from the woman was a breach of the marriage contract, and thus a deprivation of the man's right of exclusivity to his wife. Of course the exclusivity was only a one-way understanding as far as adultery was concerned, as there is no prohibition on a man having multiple wives.
Add "examine our desires" ~Dr. Darryl Burling, with "examine what is well pleasing to the Lord" ~ Apostle Paul Eph 5;10, then we can get a clearer idea where everything fits on that spectrum Dr. Burling mentioned!
If our hearts are correctly ordered, we would think as God thinks, value what God values and desire what God desires. So considering what is pleasing to the Lord helps us to consider God's desires and thus evaluate our own thinking about the things that are really important. Thanks for your comment!
Same with word "hate" in scripture. That word was used to replace the original hebrew that mean, " Loved or liked them less". Also word "holy" replaced "set-apart," and "perfect " replaced "have integrity." Once you put the original words back, the scriptures make more sense.
Correct @homergilbert. Perfect example of this is Matthew 12:32 "For who ever speaks a word against the son of man, it shall be forgiven him but who ever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age or in the age to come." age/eon G 165 strong's The KJV has 'neither in this world or in the world to come.' Which totally changes the meaning of the text. "This age or in the age to come," Jesus is speaking of that current age of the 'mosaic law' which ended in 70 AD and the 'age to come' is Christ's 'messianic age', which is still current until the end of this world/kosmos at the resurrection of all and the great throne judgment. Then a new heaven and new earth for all eternity with His saints. With the proper understanding, it brings clarity.
@@RisenShine-zy7dn Thanks for clarifying. Can you help me understanding if is hell forever as in eternal? Because I'm struggling to understand for hell to be eternal suffering, those who suffer also in a sense has eternal life.
@@sontoshi25 You're welcome! All for God's glory. The KJV version had translated the 2 separate words 'hell & Gehenna' as the one word in all the early versions of the NT. Therefore giving a false understanding of the words and context. The word 'hell' is G 86 Strong's and is the; realm or abode of the dead / grave / death. It is mentioned 11 times in 4 unique forms. In Hades, is the jail cell of all unrepentant and lost souls who are awaiting the resurrection and the great white throne judgment and eventually their eternal state of death. This occurs at the end of this world and age/eon that has been existing for 2 millennia so far. Luke 12:58-59. The souls of those in Hades are still in torments and are aware that they are there until the day of judgment, The souls of the righteous are in heaven with Christ and also await the resurrection of there bodies for the eternal state of life. Upon Jesus' resurrection, He set the captives free who were in the bosom of Abraham, awaiting the promises of the Messiah. Luke 16:19-31 was before Christ's resurrection. Isaiah 61:1. Daniel 12:1-3 are after Christ's resurrection. Revelation 12:5-9, describe the heavenly scene. Revelation 20:4-6 "And I saw the souls of them...this is the first resurrection.... and they reign with Him for thousand/s years." The word 'Gehenna' is G 1067 and is the; Gehenna of fire and it's origin is Hebrew. It is mentioned 12 times in 3 unique forms. The Hebrew word 'Gehenna' was understood as an actual place in the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where it was a real rubbish dump of all things including dead animals and it's fire never ever went out. It has not been a perpetual fire for 2 millennia now. In all the scriptures God shows us that the earthly physical is a reflection of the true spiritual, so the earthly Gehenna was a reflection of the true spiritual and eternal Gehenna that is never ending. Jesus says in Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body but are not able to kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." Matthew 25:31-46 Jesus has been separating the sheep from the goats for 2000 years now as people live and die and the last and final state is then declared for all eternity. Revelation 20:10-15 is a very good description of the resurrection of everyone's bodies to there own souls to stand before God and be judged. Verse 14 "And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire, [Gehenna]. This is the second death." So death and Hades and the judged wicked [goats] are thrown into Gehenna of fire that is eternal and the wages and punishment is the second death. The second death is eternal. The wages of sin is death, not eternal life in torment, but they are in torment in [jail] in Hades awaiting their sentencing. That verdict is death of the soul & body together. And the book of Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ and not that of anti-christ.
@@RisenShine-zy7dn or he's referring to this world, as in this physical world, vs the world to come, as in the next world that will be created after the destruction of this edit: nvm im stupid and read past the first part of your comment
This approach doesn't work because it can lead one to apply his personal conviction to where his desire falls on a spectrum. For instance, every preacher who has ever fallen into adultery has imagined himself to be innocent for completely ridiculous reasons. I think a better approach is to view the sin of lust as the sin of coveting, as the 10th commandment says by including both material and sexual idolatry. Few Christians have a good understanding of this commandment, however the Jewish Orthodoxy is well versed in Mosaic law and has no problem explaining it. Admiring your neighbor's car or wife does not mean you have coveted. Rather, it is the intent to acquire your neighbor's property by some means, for example by theft, swindle, or seduction. Put simply, it is the motivation behind our desires that defines whether or not we have sinned or merely been tempted. I hope this helps someone. 🙏
I think the Bible defines meanings for us pretty clearly. though we don't have the linguistic definitions as of those from Greek & Hebrew; besides it's our senses & experiences in this case. Besides, food can be lust for one person but not for another in the same family. Awareness through communication, of course always helps. Thank God many are free.
The Bible doesn't need rewritten, it needs read. These textural critics have no Bible they trust, no Word of God. To them everything is just how ever they want to view the syntaxes and context, just like Satan in the garden he has tricked them to ask "has God thus said"?
This was really helpful for me because I just do not relate to the lust side of things since having a hysterectomy 10 years ago. After the surgery, I was left with no sexual desire (even though I'm on hormone replacement therapy). Aside from feeling guilt that I have no desire for my husband, I also felt like lots of the verses about lust just didn't apply to me and I just skimmed over.
There is a very real possibility that your provider doesn't have the necessary expertise to treat you optimally. Are you seeing a general practitioner, an endo, or gynecologist? A more important question to ask is: Does your provider treat you with a focus on bloodwork/ranges or symptom resolution? My wife and I are relatively knowledgeable about this area, and we CONSTANTLY see people being misinformed and mistreated in their HRT. Edit: Punchline...if you have no libido while on HRT this is clear evidence that either A) your treatment is lacking in quantitative ways, or B) your treatment is lacking in qualitative ways. Successful HRT, without fail, ALWAYS resolves symptoms. Without symptom resolution, your treatment cannot be considered appropriate let alone successful. If your symptoms are not resolved, it makes absolutely no difference what your labs/numbers are showing, your treatment protocols are in error.
I don't mean to sound rude, but if you truly are free of sexual desire, be grateful. Billions of men would kill to be where you are right now. Even though there is Godly sexuality, 99.9% of desire is sinful. If I were you, I'd thank God that this is one sin you don't have to worry about as much anymore.
@@joshualambert8346nah fam the devil is a liar. One man and one woman is a marriage. Perhaps God is using this experience to bring glory to Himself in a way only He knows.
@@joshualambert8346Sorry that I'm jumping in, but what?! Instead of offering sympathy, encouragement, or anything beneficial to this lady with a condition which is absolutely not her fault, you're telling her that she should tell her husband to have an affair? That's a horrible thing to say. I don't think that that's in Bible, is it?
The word lust, in English, has become nearly synonymous with the older, much more useful construction: "lust of concupiscence." The example of our Lord using the word lust was my favorite! By the way, if you get to know Christian people who don't speak English, especially if their first language is either Russian or Greek, you will notice that they think totally differently, about the matter of sexuality, because they don't read the scriptures through the prudish, distorted lens of British Protestantism.
British Protestantism brought Christianity to the world,and still does through the KJV.So, maybe you should show more respect,especially if you are a Christian. And if not,then don't criticize what you don't even follow as a religion.
@Dave-um7mw The differences are not in the language per se, as in theology and tradition, and concern the nature of Sin itself. Western Christianity and especially some forms of Protestantism tend to face Sin as a violation of the Divine Law, and the Divine Law as a Penal Code. God resembles to a just Judge, that judges every one of us, with the Devil in the role of the prosecutor and Jesus in the role of the lawyer and finally of the substitute for our pardon. Eastern Christianity on the other hand, while not denying the offensive nature of Sin, prefers to view it as a state of being. For instance, a person may have minimized his sexual desires, but what's the benefit if the price for this victory has been a constricted heart, if the defeated lust has turned to sorrow? Salvation above all, must be a way of healing of the inner being, of exiling the earthly passions from the center of the human heart. Of course, what seems nice on paper may prove to be the sugarcoating a bitter pill, or an excuse for spiritual laziness, and what seems harsh may prove to be the necessary process for founding a strong spiritual structure. In the end, "the pure in heart shall see God" and "every tree that doesn't bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire". Which fire? This is another troublesome story...
Is not sex outside of marriage sinful, no matter what country you're from? Do the Russian and Greek Churches think that it's okay to have sex outside of marriage?
I think the problem isn't with translation. Mostly. I think it's an issue with English moving the goalposts on everyone since it's inception, but it's particularly been a problem the last few generations. I think that's intentional. If we change the definition of all words slightly once a week for your entire life, you won't be able to think straight. You won't even know the words you are using or what people are trying to tell you. Or what your Lord's scripture has told you. Something like the King James Version makes more sense if you know how many phrases and words used to be used, for instance.
tbh the passage at 4:00 i would read as bodily desires. fleshly is most accurate but doesn't need lust added by interpreters as you rightly say. the key is, i believe, paul's distinguishing these desires from proper, higher goods that bring the soul into likeness with god. its a theme; paul was celibate and recommended that lifestyle as superior to marriage or fornication. its no wonder manicheaism and gnosticism arose soon after.
The good thing is that overcomplicating the scripture isn't necessary because we have the Spirit within guding us. You will suffer naturally and learn the way. 😊
Spot on. DESIRE is the word that should be used more often to convey both the problem and the solution. And I say this as one who knows the best-kept secret in this entire world of limitation: the precise reason WHY we are experiencing it! Irrational desire got us here....and rational desire is required in order to return to our limitless Home. This is what JC tells us in the New Testament, but almost no one understands. And that's why I was sent. (My mission is given, in HIGHLY symbolic form, in Revelation Chapter 11.)
I feel like you're trying to play at semantics to play a game to prove a difference ppl already know. Desire is neutral by itself, lust is bad. Reading the verses to be read the other way doesn't really change anything, except to make it weaker. Desire of the eye is worse and gets less of the idea across than lust of the eyes does. Lust doesn't equal only bad sexual desire, which you kind of sort of said and it's more like bad strong desire. Yes, many times used sexually, but definitely not always.
The Eastern Orthodox Church uses the term "passion" instead of lust or sinful/fleshly desire. This term appears in 1 Peter 2:11 in the ESV and RSV translations.
The issue is the direction of the επιθυμία (which can be aimed toward a vice or can also be [problematically] aimless / wandering / πλάνη). Essentially any time it is aimed at something apart from God it is “sin” (αμαρτία) which takes us off course / misses the goal.
@@digital0dayCan we aim at things that are neither a “passion” or clearly “of God”? Like what is the position on something that appears to be neutral? Such as writing music that isn’t specifically “Orthodox” but isn’t antichristian or totally worldly either?
I know God gives us free will to “choose him” but what about all the sorts of things where it isn’t so obvious what God would think of them? Does he want us to put those things aside and follow him in the exact way others have for 2000 years or is there room for exploration and creativity in a more loose sense where we aren’t 100% focused on God/Christ every single moment? I feel like there are men like St. Paisios who would say no, you must be focused on Christ always. Maybe there is a way to do that in every minor thing we do in life, I’m sure. But I dunno
Thanks for your comment. A few others have made similar comments. Passion is perhaps a little better because it can have positive connotations, but it still generally implies strong negative desires, and so I still don't think it is a great translation option. The issue is not merely the strength of the desire, nor is the issue the direction of desire. The issue is whether the desire is "inordinate" or disordered. The issue is whether our affections and desires are well ordered, which means they are appropriate in their strength (they can be too strong or too weak) and whether they are for the right objects (e.g. desire for my wife is ok, desire for another woman is not). But it is not an either or, it is both. Words like "lust" and "passion" tend to focus only on desires that are too strong. The word "desire" is better IMO because it causes us to ask a deeper question of ourselves before the Lord. Thanks for your comment!
