Why MAGA abandoned democracy | Steven Levistky interview 

Yep!

Can't deny its the left that tries to silence opposing views

My maga brother and I had this argument, about once a week for a few years now. I point out one of the fascist aspects of a candidate he likes, and he immediately responds with Fauci was fascist. Biden is fascist. Democrats are fascist. All this nonsense. I tell him what fascism actually was and is, show him the books I've read on the subject, and how it applies to modern America. He can swiftly ignore all evidence, all information, by simply telling me that I've been brainwashed by the deep state and anything I've read is likely fake news designed to confuse/enslave me. He won't read. He won't learn. He's beyond all of it and I've got no idea how to pull him back.

Well said there.

The only denial of creeping fascism is the lefts inability to acknowledge that only recently that Biden and his administration ,the FDA and the CDC were all just found guilty by the fifth circuit court for violating ppls first amendment rights to free speech by colluding with corporations to censor American citizens. The lefts complete denial that this very same administration had un-elected government agencies write laws that under threat of loss of livelihoods, were forced to take experimental medicine . The Biden administration's open border policy is a direct violation of both federal law , state law and a violation of our constitution by the executive branch of government . So who's in denial of fascism ? It's certainly not the right . Name one policy or law passed by the GOP that in any way resembles fascism ?

Republicans want to do away with our democracy want dictatorship

A smarter party would have recalibrated and sought to either improve their ideals so that they're more popular or abandoned them in favor of ones that are more sustainable. I have faith that, with enough defeats, they'll inevitably come to this conclusion.

which is really, really sad, because there are a smaller minority of republicans who are not that radical. they've either left the party, swapped to independent, stay low while doing local elections in fly-over towns while implementing progressive policies like transitioning to green energy, or lost their lives in standing in danger's way to save innocent Americans in public spaces.

@@Craxin01 Hey , the GOP outnumbered the Democrats in the last election by 6 million votes. they are not the minority. This is with democrats vote harvesting and cheating on a massive scale. Why? do you think they are a minority party?

They realized they weren't democratic anymore and weren't going to be elected because they are authoritarians and Americans don't want dictators in a position of power. So they started changing elections decades ago.

Because it exist for the 😫 RepubliCons, we can't get it passed and imho it should have never been able to exist.

Gerrymandering as well. Extreme minority rule.

@@acm4147Which is EXACTLY what the Republicans want, because they know that they would never win a "fair" election, 1 person = 1 vote, and the votes are tallied to determine the winner. Therefore they go crazy trying to hose up our democracy to give them what they want, unconcerned about their activities screwing the rest of the populace over.

A lot is being demolished 💥

Yes. Eliminate the Electoral College.

Correct. It’s a republic not a democracy they are interested in.

A vote for Democrats or Republicans is a vote for DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. Democrats AND Republicans should be defunded since they are political domestic terrorist groups whose members commit and support acts of RIOTING, MASS SHOOTINGS AND BOMBINGS for their POLITICAL GAINS. These nitwits are so concerned about THEIR POLITICAL WAR they forgot 110 MILLION INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE BEING TERRORIZED BY THEIR POLITICS AND ACTS OF VIOLENCE UPON SOCIETY. I support Convention of States; a national movement to call a convention under Article V of the United States Constitution, restricted to proposing amendments that will impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit its power and jurisdiction, and impose term limits on its officials and members of Congress. IM GLAD SO MANY OF THESE MENTALLY ILL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS AND SYMPATHIZERS EXPOSE THEMSELVES PUBLICLY ALONG WITH IPs and LOCATIONS online! ter·ror·ism /ˈterəˌrizəm/ noun the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

TRUMP 🇺🇲 2024

Yet they vote against their self intetst for benefits of the country Kyle Ritenhous Choose to put himself in danger to protect his Neighboring town. You ask people to be allies only for not ehenbdiing the abusing

Conservatives are just fascists in waiting/hiding from my experience. Democracy should be various left wing parties deciding how left we want to be. Conservatism has no place in modern society.

Funny thing is, there are conservative arguments for every possible conclusion. There's a conservative argument in favor of embracing green energy, for accepting abortion, for accepting people of color, of immigration, of everything the progressive left is pushing. They're just to intellectually lazy to understand or accept them. Too many think Ayn Rand was a brilliant person instead of the philosopher-in-chief of the intellectually and morally bankrupt.

Conserve a society that benefits the few and not for everyone.

The Republican brain is wired differently, more connections to the reptilian part, they are fear based, believe in survival of the fittest, and take all that you can no matter who you crush on the way up, because it's all about the win. The what's in it for me, and if it's not for me, whose taking from me.

No books are banned lol. Try again NPC

​@@brenden4915I'm in Florida, yes, they have removed a great number of books. Just so you know. My teacher friends are quite upset about it and one is downright scared.

@SidewaysY no books are banned. Keep being scared of a boogeyman that doesn't exist lol. Leftists continue to prove why they are the dumbest on the planet

@@brenden4915keep voting for trump and Ron the retard. See where u get in life. Ur family will abandon u before u starve while the republicans eat your fresh remains

@@SidewaysY don't feed the troll

This is what's happening now.

The republic is the concern. Not a fake democracy. Ukraine is supposedly a democracy and they canceled future elections.

A vote for Democrats or Republicans is a vote for DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. Democrats AND Republicans should be defunded since they are political domestic terrorist groups whose members commit and support acts of RIOTING, MASS SHOOTINGS AND BOMBINGS for their POLITICAL GAINS. These nitwits are so concerned about THEIR POLITICAL WAR they forgot 110 MILLION INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE BEING TERRORIZED BY THEIR POLITICS AND ACTS OF VIOLENCE UPON SOCIETY. I support Convention of States; a national movement to call a convention under Article V of the United States Constitution, restricted to proposing amendments that will impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit its power and jurisdiction, and impose term limits on its officials and members of Congress. IM GLAD SO MANY OF THESE MENTALLY ILL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS AND SYMPATHIZERS EXPOSE THEMSELVES PUBLICLY ALONG WITH IPs and LOCATIONS online! ter·ror·ism /ˈterəˌrizəm/ noun the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Very well said.

When malignant narcissists band together & form a gang, they establish a bond based on their similarities and seek to exercise their common causes. They want what they want, & if they can't get it legitimately, they'll take it. Democracy is not fertile ground in which to plant their particular form of malignancy, so it has to go.

It's a shit show - the Host is from Argentina?? He's totally bling to Hilary Clinton's betrayal of America. Wake up Dude. 🇺🇸

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Wrong

@@sabejreid2072 These are MY feelings, not yours. MY feelings are MINE based on MY experiences and they are NEVER wrong FOR ME. I prefer a kinder, gentler USA where people RESPECT each other, where people are KIND to each other, where people CARE about each other, no matter their beliefs, their religion, their color, where they were born. That's how I was raised and I believe that is the best world to have. You go ahead and have a world without those things. It won't make you happy.

Why entertain a one word response with such effort? Do you really think @sabejreid2072 cares about your feelings?

@@keffinmckn3602 Nope. But maybe they'll think a little about what kind of world they want to live in. And even a moment of consideration might make this a slightly better world.

agreed. we all feel the same thing how our country is being taken away, but just for different reasons. however, one direction is something we're trying to get to in order to compete with the rest of the Western world like in EU (public transportation, free healthcare, free education, etc.) whereas the other MAGAs just want to feel important without making any efforts to their lot in life and would more likely spit on the graves of the victims of the Tulsa race massacre because jealousy.

i wish dave would create a weekly or monthly segment with him! this is a breath of fresh air. my brain hurts from all the maga nonsense

No he's not , he's a fcking propagandist ,how? . Not once did he even mention that fact that only recently Biden , the FDA and the CDC have been found guilty by the fifth circuit court for violating ppls first amendment rights to free speech by colluding with corporations to censor American citizens, . This action alone completely meets the definition of fascism yet this clown did not mention a single thing about this or even mention that fifth circuit court has now put in place restrictions on this administrations and future administration ability to interact with social media companies .

@@jimmythebold589 He's a party hack. The GOP got 54% of the vote, 6million more votes that the democrats, in the 2022 election, Yet it lost seats in the Senate barely gained in the House. They are NOT a minority party, And the exact opposite of what he's saying is true. He is a lying propagandist. Democrat extremists are the real threat to Democracy.

It is nascent Apartheid.

​@@sashacalicat3977 Lucy's last stand

That is not a possibility. You’re making things up. Your party voted with Gaetz.

Really?? Because I've met and listened to many, many people, and a whole lot of them make desicions based on extremely selfish and ignorant ideas.

We may not make it through Biden’s administration alive. We’re headed into WWIII with an open border and we saw the exit form Afghanistan, so…

@Obsidianone- Only one party in the US wants ‘to fix’ things. The D party. Meanwhile, The R party wants to ‘tear the whole thing down!’ Republicans want to destroy the whole experiment with pluralism, democracy, equality, and progress. Their agenda is to regress to anarchy and then solve it with an authoritarian dictatorship in perpetuity. They are literally anti-democracy and anti-American. Look at their history.

A thriving middle class is not the natural state of a capitalist system. Unregulated or loosely regulated capitalism with necessarily tend towards massive wealth disparity. The US manufactured the thriving middle class of the 50s through 70s with high minimum wages and government investment in middle class jobs. That ended with Reagan era economics took hold, the minimum wage cratered, and Republicans started blocking investments in middle class jobs.

Excessive income inequality (in contrast to normal income inequality) always leads to concentration of wealth and concentraction of power in very few hands. This always leads to an oligarchy which is incompatible with democracy. In other words excessive income inequality results in the erosion of democracy.

​@@mechmat12345We're discussing Democracy. Hardcore capitalism is killing Democracy. On purpose.

Capitalism in the 21st century sucks.

It "Powers" it in this case but, much more NUANCE than that.

Please communicate or "Say It Plain" to the common fellow & lady then !

Yeah, Rush Limpdick that guy was a living nightmare, may he not RIP.

Limbaugh was a failure of humanity.

​@@bkm2797 Surprise! 😂

​@@bkm2797what a nasty thing to say about someone , you should be ashamed . Notice how in this interview neither one of these clowns mentioned how the fifth circuit court only recently found Biden the FDA and the CDC guilty of violating ppls first amendment rights to free speech by colluding with corporations to censor American citizens. By all definitions this is fascism and yet not a peep from you or the left . Be honest , so long as it censors the voices you don't like , you couldn't care less about democracy ?

You're correct: not quite old enough yet

Yet neither one of the clowns even mentioned that only recently the fifth circuit court found Biden to be guilty of violating ppls first amendment rights to free speech by colluding with corporations. By all definitions this is fascism and thankfully the court has imposed regulations on this administration limiting their interactions with social media companies .

Well put

Sounds like what you got = Clinton / Obama / Biden / Obama / Newsom / Harris (joke)

Exactly!

I would suggest this modification: MAGFWN, Make America Great for White Nationalists. This way you incorporate the extremists into the equation.

Not really, it's sold as a consolation to people who aren't doing so well. This is why they hope for MAGA

Walters was a Deep Stater

How do US demographics favor socialism? I can agree that the US is becoming more diverse racially and ethnically. But it doesn’t follow that we will transition into a socialist economy (or that we will even get a larger welfare state).

I would say when the demographics reach critical mass to defeat gerrymandering and the electoral college's disproportionate representation, a more enlightened capitalism or social democratic system will have more influence.

Hard way it is 👍

Hard way sounds fun, and I'll be more than happy to help with that.

Nah AI will change all of that, there is a massive change coming. A change like that of the British Industrial Revolution. Everything will be re-written from the ground up, like what actually happen to society in Briton during that time.

Fool

@@sabejreid2072 😂

He's going to really walk up and grab him by the P*ssy!

Vlad is

How do you suggest doing that?

@@mdtdbe register new voters in "red" districts and have conversations with people no matter what their party affiliation. Republicans can vote for democrats too!!

Why are you openly stealing right wing slogans?

Don’t forget the teapartiers!

So yes we have a large gdp per capital but it’s at the top half and the bottom half got screwed with factory jobs leaving

Yes, and in this context it become easier to for instance blame it on immigrants

Both have benefits, both have negatives. So what we have done down here in Australia is both. For the lower houses where governments are formed and questioned over their action we use the Westminster system of seats, each seat in the Parliament represents an electorate of roughly the same amount of people. In the upper houses we use proportional representation. The issue we keep having over the proportional representation in the upper houses is minority parties or even just one single individual (an independent) can end up with a massive amount of power through having the balance of power, or the one vote the government needs to pass legislation, leading to governments being held hostage to that minority. The lower houses using the Westminster system which can end up with a party or a coalition of parties with the most seats, but with less votes then the opposition that has less seats. Though that usually doesn't happen, it's caused by parties targeting only or mostly marginal seats. Which brings us to another issue, the bigger issue too. A large disproportion of government funding and resources are thrown at marginal seats, known as 'pork-barrelling'. Overall the system works pretty well, much better than the USA system, but if Australia was to use proportional representation in the lower houses it would cause so many more issues, minority parties and independents having the balance of power. It's a bit hard for the USA to move to a fully Westminster system due to your history, but going as far down that road as possible would be the best approach.

Very true, it's about 6 families that control the media, except channels like David's and Meidas Touch where you can finally get news you can rely on.

@@bkm2797 Meidas Touch is not a primary news source. It is a news commentary, and should be fact checked like all the other commentaries. Primary news services include ap, afp, and Reuters.

Anuchan, Maybe not like CNN, but they consider themselves a news source and so do I. They have Politics Girl, Burn the Boats, Michael Popak, Karen Ruffelo and of course nightly wrap up news, mid day news etc. with Ben, Brett and Jordy, yeah I'd say they are a news source. Cheers

@@bkm2797 They might be your news source, but they are not a primary news source. They get most of their news from other sources and interpret it. What you're really saying is you agree with their bias. Go to original sources and check the difference.

Germany in the 1930's democratically chose Adolf Hitler.

@@user-kn6et8bb2d the Weimar Republic didn't last for 50 years. His point is that once you make it to 50, it should be fine. I was pointing out a pair that lasted for more than 50 years that did eventually fall.

@@alexkilgour1328 En: resultaten uit het verleden bieden geen garantie voor de toekomst. Iedere democratie moet onderhouden en verdedigd worden. Vrijheid van meningsuiting is een groot goed. Het bestrijden van anti-democratische krachten evenzo.

Pure 'first past the post' electoral frequently lead to two-party systems (or two big and one smaller third party), and it often means that a majority (or a qualified majority) rather than the minority is in charge. However, usually there will be rules and norms in place that also protect the rights of minorities. (PS The interview addressed another particularity of the US, namely primaries, which currently appears to lead a hard core maga-gop minority to hijack the system.) The extent of gerrymandering appears to be a particular speciality of the US way of doing things. It could be prevented by having an independent electoral commission (like in Australia?). Voter suppression: does not appear to be an issue in other FPTP electoral systems that are quite similar to the US: e.g. in the UK voting is made easy, and in Australia it is mandatory, so again voter suppression is a US particularity (that arguably goes back to times when those in power did not want to share it with those they did not like). Also unique to the US is the amount of money in elections, on steroids since Citizens United, the extent of moneyed interests and influence on the Supreme Court, an ever increasing concentration of the media in the hands of a few media conglomerates and platforms - in that sense, it's actually an oligarchy, a super-small group of super-wealthy who form a tyranny of a super-minority through dark money, shadow networks, think tanks, influence on media and media platforms, etc.

Down here in Australia we use an independent regulator that is answerable and overseen by a joint committee in the upper house of Parliament, similar to your Senate. The electoral divisions that are represented by seats in the lower house are redrawn, when needed, by this independent regulator, in an open and transparent way using census data on population movements. So far this approach has taken the politics out of the process and there is no sign that it won't continue to work well. The basic idea is that politicians or political parties shouldn't be directly involved in the process of drawing up the boundaries of the electorates they represent. They should jointly oversee that process, as anyone can, even outside of Australia as it's all published on their website. The USA needs to head down that road, moving the process away from political parties to an independent regulator that is transparent and regarded as the 'independent umpire' like in a sports match.

Useless word salad. Is this an AI?

There are two minority parties.

None the less, the USA is still regarded as a democracy. ‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’ Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947

@@GordonPavilion Quoting Churchill makes my case exponentially. Your blind spot is the stuff of legend

Ok Little Miss Can’t Be Wrong…in reality, the USA is still considered a democracy. What form of government would you suggest?

@@GordonPavilion You’re slippery. I NEVER said the US isn’t considered a democracy. NOR did I say democracy needs to be replaced. And I’d never stoop to name calling. Good day good sir

All the kids who grew to adults know the Easter Bunny & Santa & ToothFairy are lies. You'd think they'd realize not to believe everything you think you see. Nope. We have morons.

Yeah, we get it. The US is a democratic Republic. But that doesn't guarantee that the people will get what they want.

@@alanleeper7071 derp

Well, yes, they should, but they would need to take their interests into account as well.

Don't go 😢. Double your copium dosage. 🤠

I'll say "bye" for him. Bye!

You:🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴 Lay off the sauce.

@brianmccollaum5489 drunk, stupid or both? Either way, I doubt sabejreid2072 comprehended or even watched the video at all.