Why Man Utd and Newcastle both need European football

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Newcastle United face Manchester United on Wednesday with both clubs competing for a place in Europe next season.
But is the increased strain on squads that comes with qualifying for UEFA’s lesser competitions actually worth it? Or would a season out of Europe allow both sides to regroup and build again?
Ayo is joined by Talk of the Devils Carl Anka and Pod on the Tynne’s George Caulkin to debate and compare the two United teams.
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:07 The mood at Newcastle and Man United
00:03:40 Newcastle’s away form
00:07:43 Eddie Howe
00:09:45 Newcastle & Man United comparison
00:14:29 Both teams injuries
00:23:53 Man United v Newcastle
00:28:36 Do Newcastle need European football?
00:35:19 Man United & European football
00:41:40 Bruno Guimarães
00:44:50 Final comments
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@1sparkyj 21 день назад

The fact that a Man Utd fan such as Carl can be so likable and charismatic has made me question my whole belief system.

@kvu8843 20 дней назад

its the biggest fanbase in EPL - statistically gotta be some gems in there 😂😂

@saltmerchant749 20 дней назад

@@kvu8843 United is a toxic wasteland though, you'd think non-toxic people would struggle to survive.

@hills863 20 дней назад

Liverpool fan here. I do met some likeable United fans, they're very mature. Even when they banter us, they're still funny and not annoying 😅

@damienreilly4347 20 дней назад

@@hills863West Ham United?

@hills863 20 дней назад

@@damienreilly4347 in this context Man Utd 😅

@stu8758 21 день назад

Newcastle arguably got into Europe a season too early with their lack of depth showing this season when injuries struck, that's what they need to prioritise over anything else this summer. Whilst the other is just a dumpster fire, clinging onto the smallest positives they can find

@mattvarner5825 21 день назад

They needed a low pressure Europa League campaign to learn how to fight on 2-4 fronts and spread minutes around. Also helps to learn who's got the quality to play in Europe and who your squad players are

@googahmeier 20 дней назад

@@mattvarner5825 I have no idea how new player signings works, but I really hope they get 8 fresh young prospects rather than 2 big named players with a price tag. Their bench has been ABYSMAL for the majority of this season. Like two 40 year olds, and 3 goalkeepers as subs lol.

@TyneBridge90 20 дней назад

and we also got the 'group of death' that meant we couldn't use our squad at all and had to pick our strongest 11 for every match...same in the cups to be honest apart from maybe blackburn away which was still a tricky match due to our injuries at the time

@mattvarner5825 20 дней назад

@@googahmeier that number of young prospects in this market will command fees larger than two or three big signings of senior players. It'll help drive wage costs down but ultimately young talents is what Real Madrid and Arsenal will spend big on over the next few windows. The intensity Newcastle play with suits younger players but you need a blend of youth and experience to achieve anything

@RobGThai 20 дней назад

We were too early and overshoot too high. I think we would do better with less intensity of Europa League instead. However, it is important for EH and his staff to understand the effect of UCL on our physical limitations. We need to improve how we do things and the young squad for our backup. It’s a miracle how Miley filling so well so early. Great season nonetheless.

@deadtotheworld22 21 день назад

A really good and interesting discussion - Carl and George are some of the best journalists and writers working for the Athletic and in the football sphere at the moment, and this was a really eloquent, funny and informative discussion both about where the clubs are at the moment and indeed the different stages that they are at. It's a strange situation to be in when despite the fact that Newcastle have just had their Director of Football poached, are out of all competitions and dropped points at the weekend, the mood seems to be a lot more optimistic than at Old Trafford. Personally, I have a sneaking suspicion that Man United will get the win at Old Trafford and will better Newcastle's result on the last day of the season regardless of form, but that's the pessimist in me talking.

@marshallkutyn3043 20 дней назад

I like Carl but him saying that Man Utd's injury crisis is worse than Newcastle's is just so not true. In recent weeks, sure. But over the course of the season, no chance.

@mauricekennedy6786 20 дней назад

Facts newcastle have more time Mist than any other club in the league

@chairsmissing 20 дней назад

Man Utd's injury crisis is so severe, we barely make a starting 25. And it's so disruptive to the point there's no continuity in the style of play. Hence one reason (of the many) why the football is so chaotic.

@gejskelly 20 дней назад

@@chairsmissing Newcastle had 3 goalkeepers in the matchday squad and the only senior players on the bench were Ritchie and Dummett at one point, we were playing academy kids that are getting released in summer just to avoid playing with 10 men back in November/December.

@davidsimpson5259 20 дней назад

Good listen this gents, and yes the 3-0 win at Old Trafford was a laugh. It was a pleasure sitting next to you and chatting George!

@RichMitch 21 день назад

Finally some nufc content

@oitoitoi1 21 день назад

a bit frustrating how little media coverage they get compared to "bigger" clubs who are below them in the table, same with villa.

@RichMitch 21 день назад

@@oitoitoi1 absolutely. Shows the effect American sports culture has had. It's not based on merit, it's based on money

@oitoitoi1 21 день назад

@@RichMitch absolutely, the worst thing to happen to European football has been american ownership (just look at man u), and they are the biggest threat going forward too as the promoters of the super league idea and turning football into a closed shop.

@BigPurp9 20 дней назад

@@oitoitoi1clubs like United get the coverage they get because it gets the most eyeballs. United losing to Palace gets more attention than other clubs winning competitions at the end of the day

@jackrandy1338 19 дней назад

One of the best episode of the show.

@seanjones7434 16 дней назад

One of your best ever pods. The degree of insight from Carl and George is fascinating.

@DavidLimofLimReport 20 дней назад

Never seen Carl Anka in this much pain. His heart is breaking.

@stephanw3549 20 дней назад

He's such an ETH stooge

@Sohrab5322 20 дней назад

One of the best podcasts out there. The hosts are really well-spoken and they know what they're talking about, in contrast to some of those clowns we see everyday on TV or youtube.

@Sohrab5322 20 дней назад

@@theathleticfcpodcastclips For sure I will!

@laluneodyssee4404 20 дней назад

Carl is the best.

@matiaslarenas5901 20 дней назад

Best episode yet!!!! Carl was such a joy

@BadselS 20 дней назад

Santiago Muñoz was Newcastle's best signing, ngl

@rogercookcouk 20 дней назад

Class pod! #HTL!

@ossealey8995 20 дней назад

Of COURSE injuries explain our poor away form, we have had major players missing from a squad that is limited by cartel rules.

@MichaelBurge-pj9kn 20 дней назад

Excellent podcast.

@Juaninho3 20 дней назад

Finally some content on United

@geordiedog1749 20 дней назад

Which one?

@drakegeralds699 19 дней назад

Teams grow as the season goes on. Same as last season when Licha, Case and Eriksen came in and bonded. This season that growth was interrupted by injuries. Case in point, Evans/Casemiro partnership has gotten better over time because of playing together consistently. Imagine where the rock of how we played last season(Licha/Varane/case/Malacia/Shaw) went missing alongside the new signings so in essence the team on the pitch was worse than what we had last season

@geordiedog1749 20 дней назад

This whole prem season has been about inconsistency - for every club. NUFC have the best excuse in that they are a good way ahead of the rest when it comes to days lost to key players through injury. Bearing in mind the majority of the squad, and also most stating players are pre-take over bargain basement buys by le grand Michelle. As for tonight’s match - It’s got draw written all over it so a seven goal thriller it’ll be.

@M4Maroon 20 дней назад

Being negative in such a period is a 100% the reasonable thing to do.

@M4Maroon 20 дней назад

@@theathleticfcpodcastclips only my boss, girlfriend, 8 months old daughter and for some reason the neighbour can tell me what to do!! But I’ll check the clips 😀

@jadmantoura4483 21 день назад

“Man Utd are in complete free fall” So is Old Trafford’s roof

@Michael-me6qu 19 дней назад

Theatre of streams

@sizwesokopo281 18 дней назад

"Atletico Tyneside", 😂 another Carl gem

@coreypnorris 21 день назад

Seems like every other video I watch on this channel, someone is wearing a Mets hat or has one in the background. Are the Mets really popular in the UK?

@oitoitoi1 21 день назад

no. no one cares about baseball here at all. nfl gets a bit of interest, nba a little amongst sports nerds, otherwise no one here cares about american sports.

@crayontom9687 20 дней назад

It’s the sure fire sign that someone has been on holiday to NY. Otherwise nobody cares about baseball

@ImmuneGEORGE 20 дней назад

Genuinely never heard of Mets

@coreypnorris 20 дней назад

@@ImmuneGEORGE they're the Everton to Liverpool's Yankees.

@mauddib1761 18 дней назад

Lots of people wear the Yankees caps but I don't think anybody watches. I've heard of the Mets but only because I listened to a radio show from NY and they used to talk about the Mets a bit. Channel 5 used to show live NFL really late at night and I think occasionally baseball too and I think the BBC might show NFL highlights now but I'm not sure US sports are that popular here. I went to Japan a few years ago and was surprised how into baseball they were. They have these practice pitches with mechanical pitchers in lots of places (I accidentally pressed the wrong setting and the speed nearly took me out so i now appreciate how hard it is to even get near to hitting the ball)

@steveningram3732 20 дней назад

Howay the Lads ⚪️⚫️⚪️

@jackb5640 20 дней назад

Theree having a "bad" season and theres finishing outside of europe (probably), and getting the clubs worst points total in the Premier League era.

@daniellastuart3145 19 дней назад

All top sides need European football for the money and the kudus but the only 7 places sometimes 8 places, for 9 teams so 2 club every year will be disappointed. It looking like it 2 of West Ham, Man U and Newcastel will miss out this season, next season it be a different two, so on ,so on

@MrSushmon 13 дней назад

Is Carl Anka litterally the best podcaster with The Athletic FC?

@firestarter1888 20 дней назад

TLDR: Big Bags

@marcusdidius4090 20 дней назад

Dear George, Canny video as always👍 Score prediction: True United 5-0 False United👍✊💪👏🤘😎😊😁 HOWE-AY THE LADS👍💪✊👏🤘😎😊😁 Regards,

@deepthrow-jn8ij 20 дней назад

But european fiitball don't need both

@purehyperbole5727 20 дней назад

The Athletic were scathing of the new owners when they took control. This correspondent said there would be an asterix against everything positive thing Newcastle achieved. Now we have things like this video. Sportwashing in action.

@dansnowden9147 20 дней назад

George is wrong again. It’s not a success to get Europa conference from this position. It just isn’t. Nor will the players see it as progress going from CL to conference as he suggests. No, to attract and retain the players we need it has to be Europa. Otherwise it’s a failure from this position where it’s in our hands.

@geordiedog1749 20 дней назад

So the players will be somehow oblivious to the injury situation?

@mezza711 21 день назад

Carl mentioning he has friends is on my Athletic pod bingo card

@Wrioncnkiye 20 дней назад

Just admit it: ETH's tactics are terrible this season. No team, not even top teams, would play without a midfield. In the first game of this season against the Wolves, when we were full team, it has already proved that whatever tactics we are planning to use sucks.

@kvu8843 20 дней назад

McFred midfield would have made a difference 😂

@Wrioncnkiye 20 дней назад

@@kvu8843 The way we play football this season? Not even having two Kantes would make a difference!

@Mansukh09 20 дней назад

His tactics didnt work against wolves because he tried to play a possession style of football like Liverpool but using An injured longstaff with a broken ankle just ruined it however his new tactic of isak and Wilson up front in a strike partnership can work

@Wrioncnkiye 20 дней назад

@@Mansukh09 Oh my word! Did you watch that game? Do you even know what possession football is? 😂

@Mansukh09 20 дней назад

@@Wrioncnkiye I did and stats back me up Wolves pressed and got back that ball and that caused set pieces which we just couldnt defend

@antd6993 20 дней назад

I have been in St James’s this season 4 times, Aston Villa🎉Chelsea🎉West Ham🎉and Luton😮…..we can’t blame injuries as Villa have been hit hard and look at them…we have been massively inconsistent and left it very late to get some away form and if tomorrow goes pear shaped then I fear for the summer….it is a straight shoot oot between the 2 UTDs😂

@Ashtonishing1812 20 дней назад

Nah injuries are a big reason. We’re way ahead of Villa in the injury record for the season.

@tartansinatra 20 дней назад

Did you manage to get tickets thru a membership, or buying from friends, family and that guy down the pub? Interested for next season...

@antd6993 20 дней назад

@@tartansinatramembership ballot for 3 and have a mate with ST who couldn’t make it🎉

@JPzizou 20 дней назад

Cfc had the most injuries and no talk 😮 and didnt have a good previous season to build on😢😅🤔

@mauricekennedy6786 20 дней назад

No they haven it's newcastle bye a mile

@ImmuneGEORGE 20 дней назад

That is false, Chelsea are 5th for days lost by injury when you look at the data from Sky Sports 5 days ago.

@dhodyelfayet 20 дней назад

This is a clown podcast. Though suffering as a Barcelona fan, I watch this analysis of Man U and ask myself. Are we watching same football? They talk of Rashford begging good. No way, Radhford is been trash all season. Tell me one big game he had this season.

@jonprague 20 дней назад

Funny how ppl accept Newcastles injuries without question.

@mauricekennedy6786 20 дней назад

Because they have had the most in the league

@Ashtonishing1812 20 дней назад

Well… they happened

@Michael-me6qu 19 дней назад

Categorically the most man hours lost

@j.j.911 18 дней назад

These takes didn’t age particularly well after the result. Manure were clinical albeit poor. We were naive and poor during the important moments (the poor quality shows when it’s needed most). Manure will likely finish above us.

@edpoole1942 20 дней назад

Is the constant coverage of Newcastle while largely ignoring Champions League qualifying Villa by football sites down to Newcastle having an English manager?

@ImmuneGEORGE 20 дней назад

I think it's more for the fact there will be more eyes on Newcastle. Clicks lead to revenue

@edpoole1942 20 дней назад

@@ImmuneGEORGE But why are there more eyes on Newcastle. It's not got a particularly larger supporter base or more successful history.