Why Mapleshade and the Dark Forest Got Annoying 【SPEEDPAINT + RANT】 

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Everyone: Mapleshade is the only female villain Sleekwhisker: Am i a joke to you

Man, I really love the concept of the dark forest temporarily taking over. It could have been so cool if we were to have like, an entire series set in a post-dark forest battle setting in which the forest is left in ruins and taken over by the dark forest cats while the clans work together to try and find a way to defeat them from within. But nope, instead we get a what, two, maybe three chapter long incredibly anticlimactic battle? Welp, I guess that’s what AU’s are for I suppose-

Even though it's a bit overrated I want to see how mapleshade affected stormfur. Hes kin of appledusk anyway so there must be something that happened after the great battle.

I mean I think it started because she was a female villain, which was very rare because she was an ACTUAL villain not just a cat with questionable decisions, and so far we only had male villains up until that point. And in fact I find her backstory to be one of the most interestings! she felt that everyone had betrayed her and most importantly considered that Ravenwing, Appledusk and Frecklewish had contributed actively or passively to the death of her kits, and in fact, it's the death of her kits what triggers her madness, not just having been exiled, she looses her kits and just after that she's met with Appledusk's cold shoulder. It's believeable that she lost her mind and seeked vengeance and while reading I was like "wow yeah I can totally see a cat from this universe doing this in this situation". I wouldn't say she's overrated by fans, I think she does have the recognition she deserves and paying attention to a well-done job is a way of telling the Erins "hey we like this do more of this" EXCEPT it apparently translated into "keep adding this cool character everywhere" instead of "keep adding characters with this kind of strong motivations" Also I kinda don't like the idea of the dark forest as a whole honestly...? mostly because it's addition caused a lot of contradictions with the already stablished lore of starclan, and I feel like making the dead cats be basically spiritual version of their living forms takes out that feeling of "collective wiseness" starclan used to have. In The prophecy begins we never saw starclan cats discussing who or when or what to send a prophecy, a starclan cat just appeared and delivered a vague prophecy, like they could barely gather the energies to stay in the "living realm", but not anymore I guess

Mapleshade go annoying after the fact they used her for the villain of 20 million backstories. She was a good character, but she soon became an overrated character like other favorite warriors in the series.

The Erins: Mapleshade is becoming overrated, we should pay attention to other DF Cat Also The Erins: Hey Maple, it’s me, ya boi

I like Mapleshade, but I feel like she’s gotten a little too overrated. The majority of the fandom lables her as some ’tragic character’ who’s life was ”destroyed” by Appledusk when that really wasn’t the case. Mapleshade’s vengeance is from MAPLESHADE’S perspective, of course she will shit on the other characters or exaggerate the events. What I also don’t like is when she is used in backstories all the time, Goosefeather, Tigerstar, Crookedstar, Thistleclaw in Spottedleaf’s heart and possibly Brokenstar. I know the video hasn’t even premiered yet, but this is what I think atleast lol

*Evil Goosefeather AU intensifies* Imma make that a map, unless anyone else will cough

The “Great Battle” wasn’t even that great, yes, firestar did die and so did many other cats. BUT it just honestly wasnt eventful to the extent that I wanted

The only female big time villains I know are mapleshade and sleekwhisker.

Okay so I think i also think that the concept of the Dark Forest is really cool, but was used kinda badly. a) It should've been introduced earlier. Not necessarily the training sessions or whatever, but the concept of cat hell. The believe in StarClan is a big part of the first arc but if I remember correctly a cat hell was never mentioned. Only that atheists dont go to StarCLan. Already having a concept of cat heaven and cat hell could've lead to characters being torn and scared about being bad etc. The Dark forest is just randomly thrown in in the second arc like "yeah btw we also have hell". b) It should've been a bigger threat. Treat it like hell. Treat it like the big 'enemy' of StarClan! It was basically just a handul of cats planning to murder the clans, not much more than rogues (im pretty sure Darktail had a bigger group than the dark forest). Maybe they should've set more rules who goes to the Dark Forest (like Ashfur and Mudclaw e.g.) and give it more power (how about they could give a leader 9 lives as well?). So the Dark Forest would actually have been a big threat in our eyes c) At least one of our main characters that were in the Dark Forest should've wanted to be there. It was so boring that this whole "i was tricked into training here" thing was used for every character. Ivypool would've been perfectly: Dovewing was chosen by StarClan, what about as a revenge she wanted to be chosen by the dark forest? It feels so pointless because most of the cats training in the 4th arc, didn't support the ideology and wanted to fight to PROTECT their clans. We barely had any clan cats standing behind the ideology of the Dark Forest, so we knew it was gonna fail. d) the resolution shoul've been more clever. Okay that's not only Dark Forest related, more like the 4th arc. It's boring that the big fight basically was just "We gonna fight them until we win". WHY DID WE NEED CHOSEN ONES AND SPECIAL SUPER POWERS IF IT HAD NO RELEVANCY TO THE OUTCOME? I think they should've tricked it somehow, using their powers. I have no idea what exactly but the powers of our trio should've played a role in fighting them off and it souldn't just have been one big fight. It should've been a clever one (if you know what I mean? Maybe just going for Mapleshade/Tigerstar or giving DF cats the chance to redeem themselves and go to StarClan or whatever)

The only thing I don't like about Mapleshade is that some people are convinced that she is this innocent little queen who never meant to kill the people around or isn't at fault for her actions. Yes, she is guilty and she is a murder. Get it right, kids.

I love that beautiful art! I also agree with basically everything you said. Could you make a tutorial on that gorgeous shading?

Mapleshade is a great villain, but an AU where shes a starclan warrior who rescues drowining kits and guides outcast mothers would have been glorious Imagine her helping yellowfang, sasha, bluestar, leafpool, and dovewing, guiding brokenkit, saving yellowfangs other kits, saving mosskit, guiding hollyleaf, watching over shadowsight, Maybe even persuading starclan to change the warrior code to allow halfclan relationships I mean MAN bluestar and mapleshade are two sides of the same coin along with yellowfang and leafpool. They both had a riverclan mate, they both chose to give the kits to riverclan, they both lost a kit/kits in the process. They both had immense grief from the entire experience Yellowfang and leafpool were both medicine cats who had forbidden kits, both their kits had lives that would shape the clans futures,

While I haven't read most of the novellas, I can honestly agree that having Mapleshade trying to influence Goosefeather, for example, sounds just so... Far fetched :/ If you haven't read Crookedstar's Promise, you honestly should! Since that book gives Mapleshade so much justice that blesses her being, haha xD But for real, Crookedstar's connection is the reason why I fell in love with Mapleshade's character in the first place! And while I haven't read OotS I'm honestly a bit disappointed in what I've heard how they have used her character... She has a lot of potential as you said and the fact that Erins have decided to use her more of fanservice (can we use that word???) just makes it sound even more disingenuine usage of her wonderfully developed character...I: But anyway, those are only two cents from my mind! Beautiful Speed Paint and drawing! It was fun to listen through again your opinions over the topic and the drawing turned out very nicely~ It really compliments Mapleshade's character much more than any of the novellas where Erins have tried to make her useful x3 All jokes aside, great job! I hope you are personally happy with the piece~ ^^

Actually, Mapleshade trained Tigerstar because he's the grandson of the leader who cast her out to die. However, I cannot find a connection between Goosefeather and her other than the fact that he has talked with Beetail, the deputy in Mapleshade's Vengance, and that his mother was unusually interested in the gory details of Frecklewish's death. It would have been cool if maybe it turned out he was related to Frecklewish somehow?

Mapleshade didn't really train Tigercaw, she was mostly just a voice in his head guiding him on a darker path and Tigerclaw didn't even know She was whispering in his head until near the end of Tigerclaws fury

Now that i think about it i would've liked for The Great Battle to hapoen for about half the arc, the rest being tension build up for the charcters & readers. I would've liked it more if The Dark Forset had random raids to weaken the clans, with the trainees, building suspicion, Ivypool still being a spy, her being forced to fight against her clan, Dovewing still trusting her causing divisions in the Three & the clan, with the other trainees, & the Lionblaze & Cinderheart drama still being there & adding more tension, Hollyleaf also coming back & causing a few more subplots. Then the final battle & all the anger, tension, & hatered gets released into one battle, during The Last Hope, & boom much more death.

I wanna have a lil manga dedicated to just a normal day in the dark forest, I think it'd be interesting.

I love Mapleshade as a character, but what's annoying to me is how she's portrayed by the fandom and how Mapleshade's Vengeance is constantly misinterpreted.

I feel Mapleshade’s whole appeal was the fact she was the only female villain. Her story and whole drive was honestly not that interesting. It was more interesting to see her mind twist and how she was battling her own mind but no one really jumps on that point. She’s been called the best villain and honestly I can’t understand why. I love her aaa villain but the best? Nah.

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One thing from omen of the stars that I remember after re-reading it is just how terrifying and gorey it was written. Dark forest was overused at that point, but I recommend people to reread it and pay attention to all the little details.

Rose;"she's only in a handful of books" me;*gets all the books I can find to see how many I can hold *

Imagine if the battle against the dark forest lasted for, like, a whole book. That would’ve been really cool! Edit: I made that mid video. Excuse my stupidity.

Maybe she visited Goosefeather because he's somehow related to Ravenwing? (thats his name right?) The medicine cat who exiled her from Thunderclan? Idk. GREAT art AND vid Rose, as always!

Spottedleaf: *Shows up in Approximately 6,000,000,000 books.* Everyone: 🛌 Mapleshade and The Dark Forest: *Shows up like 10 times* Everyone: 😱

Idk, the idea of her just grumbling about revenge and doing nothing in GC would have been even more pointless. And her attempting to be nice to Goose, just to manipulate him would literally just be another rehash of CT. It makes sense for her and Goose to have history considering he does know her in CP. He literally shows up in the Dark Forest to confront her while she's with Crookedjaw. Tigerstar is the apprentice of Thistleclaw, and Thistleclaw trained under Silverhawk. Mapleshade has been around since CP, which events were way back before any of her other appearances. Thinking Mapleshade didn't need "anyone" honestly doesn't make sense either since the first time we literally see her is when she's trying to get Crookedkit to join her, and she even lets him meet Silverhawk and Thistlepaw, who she was associated with too. With both Lionblaze and Brambleclaw, they trained with Tigerstar because they thought they were kin. Ivypool's training and arc were different, but similar I guess. I do agree that the Erins wrote the final battle poorly.

I kinda wanted Forgotten Warrior to have the Great Battle, Dark Forest wins, Hollyleaf survives, and Ivypool gets killed. The Last Hope could be a book about the Clans trying to, like you said, take the Dark Forest down from within. Cats who probably would have died(previously living): Ivypool, Jayfeather, Lionblaze, Dovewing, Firestar, Brambleclaw, and everyone (except Hollyleaf) close with them, oh yea, + Breezepelt and the original deaths I believe that, because Dark Forest and StarClan were both unaware that Hollyleaf was previously in the tunnels, she might have been compelled to take some cats underground into hiding such as the medicine cats, Blackstar and Mistystar (Onestar is the guy who would never listen to ThunderClan blooded cats no matter what in my opinion) and after the Great Battle, she finds Dark Forest cats infiltrated the tunnels and they get captured, Black and Misty are killed as to prevent any cats turning to their Clan leaders. The medicine cats are told that if they don't help destroy StarClan at the half-Moon, they too would be killed. Hollyleaf gathers a group of ragtag warriors she has never met before + Willowshine, to create a secret group where they train on StarClan's hunting grounds to at least stand a chance. Warriors, who are tired and battle scarred, offer Hollyleaf their help and as the group gets to big for StarClan's grounds, they start training in the Dark Forest's now abandoned territory. With Hollyleaf in the lead, they ambush the Dark Forest warriors, killing Mapleshade, Tigerstar and Hawkfrost. Asserting their dominance, Hollyleaf's group is able to drive away/kill the rest of the Dark Forest cats. Hollyleaf is made the new leader of ThunderClan with Blossomfall as her deputy Nightcloud becomes the leader of WindClan with Harespring (who, in this AU is Harefire) as her deputy Reedwhisker becomes the leader of RiverClan with an unknown cat as his deputy Tawnypelt becomes the leader of ShadowClan with Tigerheart as her deputy (Rowanstar deserves no chances)

Wait...you drew that! I found that on Safari! SO COOL

Actually, Mapleshade DID have a connection with kittypets! A kittypet named Myler helped her multiple times!

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When I read “Goosefeather’s Curse” and saw Mapleshade I was thinking “Oh this is gonna be great and Mapleshade will be really cool in it like she was before!” And then what did the authors do? 👏 THEY 👏 MADE 👏 HER 👏 USELESS 👏 I was pretty mad about this

I have an AU where Mapleshade manages to break the StarClan-Dark Forest barrier and realized “Crap, I went a bit too far”, but it was too late to stop the Dark Forest cats she led there. And Ashfur kinda has to work with Mapleshade to just sort them back into the right areas. This led to my crackship Ash-shade, which I sorta use as a joke, but I may make crackship kit adopts with Ash-shade included. (I felt it might work somewhat, Ashfur’s fire scene basically was a yandere-love thing for Squirrelflight, and Mapleshade had love issues leading to her banishment to the Dark Forest.)

In my story, I have a Dark Forest Civil War, but the cats that train there actually stay evil, and honestly I keep the trainee POVs to the side unless something important happens because it focuses on bigger plots.

I still like MapleShade yes I know she's overrated, but I still love her...

I think the Dark Forest's plans changed over time. Originally they were trying to install leaders under their influence such as Crookedstar and Thistleclaw (the oldest two known trainees) Tigerstar attempted this too with Brambleclaw and Hawkfrost. Then their agenda changed from trying and failing to control the clans via leaders under their control to just outright destroying the clans completely

"Despite having no connection to kittypets in her life" She mightve thought that Myler was a kittypet, therefore she does have a connection. Also I 100% agree with what you said about Goosefeathers curse other than that. The thing with training in Spottedleafs heart is I imagine it as her pretending to train them and then she's having them destroy the clans for her. Shes manipulative and sneaky and I love that about her. I read Tigerclaws fury just yesterday and Mapleshade only starts training him after he's exiled from ThunderClan and planning on destroying it. It really makes sense when you think about it. I honestly adore Mapleshade a lot and I love all her appearances other than in Goosefeathers curse

Yeah a little while ago I came up with an AU where the Dark Forest really DID take over, and in a desperate attempt to save the Clans the leaders all decide to send 7 cats from each Clan to go find somewhere new to live and restart the Clans. The main character finds out about her home's dark past and goes on an expedition to find the Lost Clans (which is what the new clans named the original) with three other cats from the other clans. They end up helping the Lost Clans to earn back their home and bring all the other cats back to the original home. Just an idea :)

i’m one of the people who make “edits” on insta, i edit warriors once and a while but g o o d g o d there’s s o much Mapleshade!

your points make me wonder something if goosefeather is being watched by mapleshade because he is related to shellfur who is related to appledusk maybe that's why?

Ahh I love Mapleshade too! She is a great character! Also great speed paint!

I have an AU where Mapleshade's son Patchkit Survives and grows up too be Sol Mapleshade Visits Sol and tells him to destroy the clans. She also tells him about all the cats who harmed her, and that she heard that Oakstar's great grandson half kits and to destroy them. Sol finds Jayfeather Hollyleaf and Lionblaze, the kits of Brambleclaw, great grandchild of Oakstar. And also the three gifted with powers. If Sol could manipulate them too the dark side, he could destroy the clans, then kill them when its over and bring his mother to justice

I love that Mapleshade was like "gurl I DON'T need to follow you around you already fcked." lol oof.

There should be some kind of AU where the dark forests cats do overpower the forest cats, Tigerstar could have killed firestar, claiming the clans as his own, but maple shade is like “screw you imma run this joint” and kills him, making her the truly feared cat over Tigerstar, and the heroes run away and have to recruit skyclan and save the day Idk just an idea that popped into ma head. Be a lot more interesting than the books

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I'm so excited to see this! 😀

I'm now wanting to make a fanfic where The Dark Forest rules but there'll be chapters that lead up to it. *starts thinking over the plot*

Since Tigerstar dad is pine star, He is related to Oak'Star so that's why Mapleshade targeted him.

(oops I forgot to comment on your Dawn video, I have some ramblings that fit exactly with your idea there hah) Kudos???! for bringing this up, it's been on my mind since I finished The Last Hope. The Erins ware good writers but with this plot?? I mean, it got stretched for three arcs. And nah, I don't want to bring up another 2-page Firestar death rant. And on the Mapleshade topic, look I love her too, except she looks written very rushed and random, as you stated in the video. Good speech, it's very calming if you draw to it.

“Whatever you want honestly.” Bob.

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Why do I have a feeling there’s going to be some Evil Goosefeather AU MAPs now? If I’m the only, plz we need that!

This makes me think about the broken code arc… I’d love to see a video on it!

Mapleshade is my favorite Dark Forest cat!!

My friend was one of the features when you scrolled down on WA and she got really excited XD

I think Mapleshade appeared in Goosefeather's Curse to explain why he knew of her in Crookedstar's Promise? Idk, that's just my thoughts.

She was probably training Tigerclawstar because he was the son of Pinestar, who was the son of Oakstar and half-brother of Frecklewish.

Mapleshade is one of those (many many) characters I love mostly based on potential, not how they were actually used in the books.

I love the speedpaint

I agree with you on how wasted the battle seemed to be. It was obvious that the power of three had the advantage as well, but they weren’t much useful. The power cats basically just went “oh, look, there’s danger. Better do something!” And they have perfectly normal cats help out, all throughout the series that they’re around. Normal cats, perfectly capable of fighting an army who planned for years, so what’s so special about the power cats and Firestar in the end? You have to admit though the end battle with Firestar and Tigerstar was pretty satisfying, but I feel like there could have been more Tigerstar could do while he still holds a grudge against Brambleclaw, Lionblaze, etc. Hawkfrost too, but he’s gone as well. Mapleshade as a character, I see a lot of people be mad about how she’s in the dark forest while Appledusk is in Starclan. In Appledusk’s defense, he did break the warrior code in being with Mapleshade, and acknowledged he was wrong, while Mapleshade went crazy and murdered a few cats including him. Mapleshade also claimed that Appledusk killed her kits, when technically she killed her own kits by putting them in the river. That she was forced to do, but then again she wouldn’t have gotten into this mess if she hadn’t broken the code with Appledusk in the first place. In theory, I think that’s why they put Appledusk in Starclan despite having broken a cat’s heart. Edit: also, Tigerheart. I just remembered the dark forest trusting Tigerheart because he’s Tigerstar’s kin. That angered me as I read the last hope, because that message was already sent through Brambleclaw and Tawnypelt: just that a cat is related to Tigerstar doesn’t automatically make him evil like Tigerstar. These cats are IDIOTS, no wonder they lost so quickly. 😤

And then you look at how long Darktail’s clan stuck around...

I love how you draw paws

you know whats also annoying *glares at roleplayers who have their characters taken over by the dark forest*

Apparently the theory of Mapleshade being related to Bluestar is still strong, so maybe she’s also related to Goosefeather. Maybe that has some connection for her choosing Goosefeather like how she chose Crookedstar to torment because he’s Appledusks descendant.

i really enjoyed this video! i love hearing thoughts and opinions on subjects like this in warriors :D however, i think in some parts you were talking a little too quickly for me to personally keep up. it wasn't too bad throughout the video, but i just thought i'd mention it just in case! keep up the great work!

Mapleshade was (and is) a cool and populare FEMALE villian cat, but...If we talk about SleekWhisker!? Talking about her is weird, bc yall not know about her past name and like her story. MapleShade is very rood for me bc at first thing she had kits with a diff cat of diff clan(AND OBVIOUSLY) thats like braking the warrior code, and for second a cat tell yall those kits werent from a male cat of her own clan, so she got banished from her main clan, then the last option was AppleDusk (BUT) he was already in love with another She-Cat from his own clan, so MapleShade got that like Infidelidy and before all that wen she tried to get to the otherside of the river, it just became like a lil Flood and got MapleShade kits, then leader of AppleDusk clan banished her from that clan she planned a Vengaence uppon her ex friends and the cat who told yall she had kits with other cat from diff clan, then latter she killed the cat who told yall about i talked and she go ahead to kill her most closer friend, latter killing both she remembered her (properly MATE) so she KILLED AppleDusk (But she remembered all the good things she had with him and she start crying) and didnt noticed a cat was already to pounce her got a juge Bite in her tufft, so...wen she gtg that clan cause she finnaly ended her revenge she died of the big bite she got... So HAPPY ENDING :P

Ooh yes I love these rants

Is it just me or have i just noticed how fast rose talks in her speed paints😂😂😂

i know you posted this a while ago but i still wanted to comment ^_^ also i’ve never read Goosefeather’s Curse but bare with me)) i cant come up with a reason why Mapleshade appeared in the other books, but what if she wanted to use Goosefeather to contact her dead kits? She can’t reach them, and it destroyed her when they died. imagine living in the dark forest all the moons knowing you’d never be able to see them again. so what if she wanted to use goosefeather to communicate?

I-I-I I have to wait But I can’t OwO

I love these speedpaint/rants!

The Erins need to learn a bit from the wings of fire villains. ALL OF THEM ARE SO BADASS!!!!

Hey Roseshards, I know what type of programs you use... but what system do you use. Like do you use a drawing tablet, a computer, etc?

Mapleshade did have something to do with kittypets if you look at the timeline. Oakstar led attacks on Twoleg Place when she was in Thunderclan, so maybe a cat got injured by a kittypet, but still- it is odd

Its satisfying to see you draw 😅 I love this art, period

I'm definately making a fanfic of Dark Forest cats taking over

I agree with you so much with pretty much everything. & I wish after building up Mapleshade's character & throwing her in every backstory they'd have made her defeat in the Great Battle better than what it was, like I get it, her killing Spottedleaf was kinda a big deal but then she just gets chased away (at least I think that's what happened) I was expecting so much more with her then Tigerstar vs Firestar wasn't any good either, you've made me realize just how underwhelming the Great Battle actually was

I know u won’t answer this rosie but, how much did u fat forward the speedpaint? Did u do 20x?

This is amazing!!!!! I love to draw but I could never do anything like this!😃

Well, listening to his rant make me thought up an evil Goose'feather AU.

I really love this piece it's beautiful!

Here was born the best MapleShade draw

Can't waitttt

10 mins away 0w0 I'm exited :D

"no connection to kitty pets" Mylar: am I a joke to you

1:37 to skip to the amazingness that is this video.

0:29 IDK why but I got really excited and a super shocked when it showed my comment on her video XDXDXD

If you think about it Maple shade deserves to go to starclan instead of Ash Fur One reason is Maple Shade never really actually wanted to kill the clans until after her death. She just wanted to avenge her dead kits. Ash fur on the other hand tried to kill his leader ,almost killed a cat because she broke up with him like 3 years, PLUS her ‘kitts’. Yes Maple Shade is a villain,but almost everyone else in her SE deserves to more than her. Like Apple Dusk cheated on her ,and said IIN FRONT OF HER that she was a mistake and he never loved her. Oak Star knew her kits would die, ect. But yeah I’m not hating on Maple Shade, I really like her so um this is to long okay bye :P .

I also like Mapleshade, But Yellowfang is my 1st favorite.

o.o im pretty sure mapleshade was talking to tigerstar in tigerclaw's fury

Ok in tigerclaw furry she basically welcomed tigerclaw into the dark forest and also she kinda comfirms that tigerclaw got his 9 lives in the dark forest. How that happend idk:/

Imagine what could have happened had Mapleshade decided to manipulate Hollyleaf and use not having a power against her

Yeah, I... Can't agree on Mapleshade ever being that interesting. She's always grated on me and the stuff you rant about here is exactly why. (Well, that and finding her novella to be overly dramatic trash...)

Where is your libeling brush from? :0 I know you mentioned it somewhere but I can’t find it 😔

your Canadian? the sorry in the beginning. kinda took me by surprise lol

This was beautiful I love your art

Actually mapleshades life dod have connection to kittypets, because at the time thunderclan was openly attacking kittypets to keep them out of their land. That's the only thing I noticed wrong fjxjjd

Hey rose I have a point to make, cats disappear when there forgotten the Erin's could write it better but I think that's what mapleshade would do stay relevant... its badly written but that's my opinion.