@@neilwilliams2883 the video is about two teams attempting to return to championship contention and why one hasn’t done so. However despite their gains, Ferrari is essentially blocking themselves from championship contention so far this year purely on their own misfortune, unreliability, and awful strategy calls. Therefore in the “race” to return to championship wins it won’t be McLaren that stops Ferrari but instead, Ferrari will stop themselves.
I'm a former McLaren Engineer. (2006-2010) And this hurts me more than it hurts you I guarantee it. Back then we had Neil Oatley and Pat Fry. Ron was at the helm and did a better job that anyone now gives him credit for. Martin was a fantastic team boss. Dave Ryan was great too. It worked. We also had a factory engine contract.... Which makes a difference. I also suspect that part of the "mystery" in Ferrari's relative performance comes down to something as inelegant as money. They have more of it. To buy the people they need and the investment needed. I also tear my hair out regularly at McLaren's current car set up. While straight line speed doesn't equate to fast lap times it often DOES mean ability to gain places in a race or at least prevent losing them. I've lost count of how many times I've seen them crank on the aero to get into a Q3 pace (just) only to fall back in the race as they're driving with a barn door strapped to the back. The Merc engine is strong enough. They have the horsepower.... I'm staying out of any Danny Ric arguments. I think he's great. He struggles with the car and Lando has done a better job but that's all I'd say. Dear McLaren, sort it out please. Cut me and I still bleed McLaren but I'm running out of blood. Alternatively, I'll come back and we can start winning again?
I'm thinking of applying for a job at mclaren after i finish my mechanical engineering degree, (just finished my last a level today but i have an unconditional at hull so I will be doing it) do you have any tips or has the whole process changed since 2006, i wasnt thinking a grid job but a job at woking, is there any specific things/qualifications/experience i should get?
@@josht2675 Yes two things. The first leads to the second. For any job you apply for at McLaren (or any team really) you will be one of a hundred applicants. Sometimes literally. Once the obvious "No" candidates have been filtered out the best small bunch get an interview. So have something that stands out in experience and or enthusiasm. Preferably both. Volunteer as a marshal at your local circuit or buy an old banger and race prep it for the easiest and cheapest series you can see (doesn't need to be BTCC or anything!) or develop a programme that models tyre degradation, etc... Lastly if you want to be on the design side of things, and I can't stress this enough, go and design something. Anything. Something you can show off. Buy a cheap or get a free CAD programme (like Q Cad, don't need to spend thousands on CATIA) and design the thing, get it made if possible and develop it. Make it a project. Maybe something that's needed for your car/bike/van. Or something a local business has needed. Supported with stress analysis and costings. That sort of thing always stands out to me. And don't forget the basics that make a credible mechanical engineer because I'd throw those questions at interview too. What's Newton's second law? What's the main disadvantage to anodising aluminium? Etc.... Go for it. Good luck. McLaren was an awesome place to work.
The most outstanding thing about this video is the fact that it is sponsored by Aramco despite the fact that just about the entire 'The Race' team sat on their high horses after the Saudi GP basically talking about what a terrible thing it is to race there, especially Scott Mitchell whose language about Arabs and the Arabian Peninsula in general borders on blatant xenophobia - *_..but they'll happily take Saudi money!_*
steak and lobster tastes good. maybe with a bit of luck each of them could buy themesleves a fanboy mercedes gtr. or nissan gtr, ferarri something, mclaren 570s, honda nsx etc etc
@@tristan15ish I was half joking but there are 2 reasons why I don't criticize The Race guys: - I probably consume products resulting from Aramco's activity. - I follow a competition in which Aramco is one of the main sponsors.
I really dislike the Aramco sponsorship ad. It was bearable when you guys did a read, but a literal ad in the middle of a video on a platform where I already pay to avoid ads is infuriating...
the ads you pay to avoid don't support channels particularly well at the moment , quite a lot now receive direct advertiser investment rather than through youtube ads
Ferrari has enormous wind tunnel and modern infrastructure resources online. Mclaren is still working to modernize these. The effect of that cannot be understated
taroKen Their biggest problem was that they are at the mercy of an engine supplier. They truly need to step into their own if they want a shot moving forward…exactly what Redbull saw for their future.
I feel a repetitive pattern. First it was the Honda engine. Then it was the chassis. Then it was the 2021 regulations. Then it was the 2022 regulations. Now it's the wind tunnel & the simulator. Don't misunderstand me, I will be the happiest man on Earth if I'm 100% proven wrong by McLaren. Nevertheless, the pattern is there and it needs to stop.
you can put it down to them just complaining, but eventually after they've addressed every issue, after they've gone through everything and worked on improving every area where they're lacking, they'll have the capacity, the foundations & the people to compete , assuming they have the funds to follow through
Alpine has a greater change of winning a championship compared to McLaren. McLaren will only stand a change if they start developing their own engine (or find a designated/private engine partner).
You most be joking. Adrian Neway said that Renault Has been intrested only in marketing and never actually fighting. You can se thatbwith the team being in the same place for years
I would like McLaren-Porsche, but they will most likely favor RedBull in 2026. Developing an engine alone or rheeling some manufacturer from outside seems to be the only possible solution.
Renault have not won as a constructor in 16 years, only as an engine supplier (and yes I know they took a break). From 2007 til 2010 they struggled, with only the two wins in 2008 when Alonso returned (and one of them was questionable). In their final year as a constructor, Red Bull won both the drivers and constructors title with their engine but their own team finished 5th with their highest placed driver 8th, who at the time was the highly rated Kubica. Even the 2014 season, the wheels fell off the wagon with their supply deal to Red Bull. Even considering this was when Mercedes began their rise, the performance from the Renault engine was seriously lacking. Lotus, the team that was previously Renault, even switched to Mercedes engines because Renault were just not delivering on the engine front. Renault came back in 2017 as a constructor and have struggled ever since. It took them ages to even get a podium, and their one win as Alpine so far was as much down to luck as anything else. So please tell me again how Alpine has a greater chance than McLaren with their history of poor performance as a constructor other than the two years they dominated? Especially when you consider that so far this year they are already 8 points behind McLaren despite supposedly having a performance advantage.
I think this cost cap is going to force teams to make sure their drivers don’t battle at risk of destroying the car, because they have to reduces their cost so much and to tbf we’ve seen a lot of teams hold station when they achieve optimum points. Additionally how can we have such a cost cap that teams at this stage of season are saying that’s major upgrades done. It’s crap I feel
McLaren wont hold P4 for long if both Alpine and Alfa Romeo start taking points with both cars regularly. These 3 fight for P4 in constructors. Interesting to see if Zhou will indeed start to bring points regularly for Alfa Romeo.
@@vaggelis911 Well Ricciardo as been whooping the spoiled British brat for a while now. The problem is that the car is so awful to the point where even your best drivers doesn't reach the points
Anyway, regardless of what Danny Ric and Milkando will do, if Alfa and Alpine keep on witnessing both drivers perfoming well, Mclaren will slid into p6 in the constructors and that's honestly what they deserve because as of now, their car is the 6th best on the grid
@@giuseppemaggio5894 agree, Monaco and Baku were minor slip for Alfa Romeo and Bottas and to be honest Baku was not such a failure as Zhou was a rocket prior to his DNF technical
Glad attention is finally turning on the car itself rather than zeroing on Ricciardo’s results. Other than Monaco where he could benefit from a strong quali and no overtaking, Lando hasn’t been getting great results going back to Imola either. Ricciardo has been worse, but it’s not like Lando has been lighting the world on fire either. The team has taken a huge step backwards this year
Agree with this. I think Lando’s result in Monaco quali hid most McLaren issues and instead made Daniel the “problem”. In the races since, the abysmal car pace has nullified the scapegoating and proven this is just a junk car.
Lando has 75% of the points in the team this year (that's just math). DR won a race last year but Lando was 2nd and told not to pass. Other than that, Lando has carried McLaren the last 2 years (he outscored Daniel by a fair margin, overall, last season). DR has 10 years experience, and costs more than Lando, he should be doing a lot better.
@@AkersJohn their points discrepancy can be mostly accounted for by a race that DR had a DNF in, one he was on pace during then bottled in a collision, then one where he genuinely was bad in Monaco (that’s just math). He could be better and is showing signs of being better the last two races. We’re talking about this year and this year’s car, and we can’t ignore that the car is bad. Lando has said as much, many times over.
@@mereeedithh He hasn't looked good, at all, this season. - Baku Finished ahead of Lando because he pitted under VSC, otherwise Lando would have been 15 seconds ahead - Montreal Didn't score points when he could have. Finished ahead of Lando because team botched his pit stop. Lando was on pace to get an 8th in MIami as well til the team botched his pit stop... before he ran into Gasly. The margin could be even larger. For every 4 points the team scores, Lando scores 3 of them.
@@AkersJohn ”didn’t score points in Montreal when he could have” just say you’re not paying attention to the season at all man lmao all data shows it as having been the 8th fastest car on the grid and he almost dragged the tractor into the points before he had to manage his overheating brakes and had to drop pace. This is all readily available information. Baku isn’t even worth mentioning because it was a massive strategy failure by mclaren. Both times they were following Alonso were mismanaged but they also were nowhere near the straight line speed to overtake. I get the lingering distrust with his recent performances given all, well, of 2021 but focusing on his performance when the car is a tractor is a miss.
I think Mclaren should keep Riccardo until at least 1 one year after the Wind Tunnel and Simulator go online. 1, The Riccardo - Lando relationship is remarkably stable. 2, The Simulator and Wind tunnel will help McLaren and Riccardo figure things out. 3, More time will help him and the rest of the team, Afterall a driver isn't solely worth as much as his results. 4, If they somehow figure things out and get a Red Bull level Riccardo, they will have one of the best drivers on the grid. 5, Age doesn't matter, Health does. Alonso is a living embodiment of that. It really should be a question of whether Riccardo wants to Drive or not. If he does, he should get every opportunity he can!
Totally agree with every point, but the thing is, ricciardo and norris have different styles so they will likely make the car suited to norris than neutral since norris is their future. Ricciardo needs to find another team and mclaren need to find a driver who can adapt to this style of driving.
Completely agree! I don't think dropping Riccardo and bringing someone else in before 24 or 25 is going to help in any way, especially if it is a rookie, and I think even more difficult if it was Herta or O'Ward. They need stability and experience, which I think Norris and Riccardo bring. Plus Daniel has already got them a win, something that I don't see happening this year, but it does prove that if the car is right, he can deliver.
I feel Zak Brown is partly to blame. McLaren F1 is a separate entity from McLaren Automotive and whatever their GT3/GT4 department program is called, as well as the McLaren Indycar operation in the US, but even though he's only in charge of the F1 team, he's still also in charge of his other team, United Autosports. Granted he has a business partner that helps him with that, it's still a monumental operation running concurrently in at least 5 separate championships with LMP2 and LMP3 cars.
A new regulation change never done any good for mclaren since 2009, 2017 and now 2022. It's always 2 steps forward and 3 steps back for them, always playing catch up. And it's frustrating as a fan.
As a Ferrari fan, that graph of 2022 supertimes really hurts. Such a frustrating season in terms of points. To have the fastest overall car so far and Red Bull winning time after time...
Are you sure that particular Aramco ad footage is suitable for these videos? Because I don't think that it's suitable to talk about McLaren whilst having Aston Martin as a brand face for Aramco in an ad spot, it creates, shall we say, a bit of a conflict
@@garbage2882 That's not how it works Imagine that this video is talking about HP and Lenovo battling in business laptop space, and hear hear the video is sponsored by Corsair, who will also mention in their spot that they build laptops now! Like, yeah, it's fine if they sposored the video because of their memory or other products, but mentioning a direct or indirect competitor product to the product that's the main subject of the video kinda undermines the purpose, and future videos as well. Like, if The Race wanted to make a video on Aston Martin now, with this spot and sponsorship (because it will be sponsored by Aramco), how can we be sure that it's going to be objective and fair? Of course, that's only under the condition that the video will ever be made
@@Holoflux I mean that this video isn't about Aston, it's about McLaren and those mid-video advertisements aren't talking about the topic so it's not really a fight between those two
What a disappointment for Mclaren's Fan. We all dreamt to go many step forward to fight for top 3 and went backward to perhaps be in the bottom 3. It is that bad.
Trash internal personnel issues with Mclaren. Typical. Publicly trashing Riccardo must have done great to team morale. Specially when Riccardo is probably really liked in the team.
I think its a little more complex than that. Zak is a smart man and would know that "trashing" Ric is not a good deal from a business standpoint. I dont think Ric was trashed by Zak, I think its an honest portrayal of the situation at hand nothing more nothing less, he's stated that they are commited to getting him on track. I love Ric, who doesnt? but we have to address the elephant in the room..... hes 1 1/2 seasons behind on having caught up with the car, prev gen car and new gen car as opposed to Lando.... cant pull that card any longer.
@@AyaxRo Could be. But going out publicly and airing the dirty laundry not a good move on the smart fat man. Also this car is trash this year. Last year i admit Ric could have done better but hindsight is 20/20 so whatever. Would love to see Ric at AT and Gasly at Mclarrn straight swap. Ric would be back in RB hands where he should be (shouldnt have left in the first place buts that another story) and Gasly would also get his shine hopefully. Or Ric to Haas replacing Schumacher. Ric in an american team and would be perfect fit. And low expectations where Ric can show his race winning talent.
@@AyaxRo I do agree with the first lot of comments from Zac about how things haven't lived up to either sides expectations etc. but I disagree when he then went further in a later interview to start talking about contract mechanisms. Nobody, not even F1 drivers would want their personal contract terms spoken about and I think that crossed a line. Especially when all it seemed like was a diversion from what is a really poor car. Hope they, both DR and McLaren, figure it out but they have a lot of car issues to deal with.
Indeed, although I would say they need to develop a decent car in general. Daniel has already proved what he can do when the car is right, and that was in his first season with the team, and a season that he himself described as his biggest struggle. I think next year and into 24 (hoping they keep with DR) could be a good couple of season for him if the team can deliver on the car.
I love Mclaren and have always supported them but they have failed since they started using the Mercedes engines. Then when you hear there CEO bagging the crap out of Daniel goes to show you Zak Brown has no idea at all.
So, does that mean that they can stop blaming Daniel Ricciardo for everything? Driving a F1 at that level is a mental game as well and the public shaming does more harm than good, especially since the car is crap and it doesn't matter how well he drives, he has no chance of winning!
I don't know about without true progress when they went from 6th; 9th and 6th to 4th; 3rd and 4th and in 2021 they were the only team to get a 1-2 so yeah... It seems as though ever since Russia last year they just haven't really been that good for some reason or the other. They don't seem to be good at developing the car either so there's every chance Alpine could pass them this year tbh.
So has Ricciardo they need to get rid of him and then they will improve, never mind all this factory upgrade stuff they just need both drivers with pace
The car is just way too draggy and it suffers from a lack of speed because of this. Neither Lando or Daniel can successfully attack and pass anybody even with DRS because they are so slow.
Feels like Aston, Alpine and McLaren are all playing catch up, but then Red Bull will just build something that becomes the new state of the art and they’re all behind again
Redbull likely having their choice between Honda and Porsche going forward is wild. They took the whole Powertrains bluff and it somehow seems to pay off. Add in Newey...
Let me get this straight 1. Aramco sponsors Aston. 2. Aston races against McLaren, and regularly scores less points than them. 3. Aramco makes a video that tries to dictate what success for McLaren should look like. 4.????? Personally, I'm confused how this is construed as unbaised factual reporting. I appreciate acknowledging when a segment's sponsored, but why would this be the subject matter?
Many times Mclaren have qualified OK but have been let down by poor race pace. They don't seem to be able to catch up to anyone quite apart from overtake. Not so sure about their tyre strategy either. All too often if leaves them further back in the field than others. And as far as the picking on RIcciardo bit: how about RUS v HAM? SCHU v MAG? LAF v ALB? Sainz v LEC? I'm quite sure once they build a car that suits RIC's style he will be up there v Norris.
editing tip: leave the commercial B-roll for the end of the video. i get it, we can skip around, but those who pay for RU-vid Premium (like myself) pay for no mid-roll ads, and this is defeating the purpose. eventually mid-roll ads will cause channels to fall down the algorithm, showing to less and less views. Take a page out of other successful youtubers, like Nile Red, or heck, even Linus Tech Tips. They roll ads at the end, not the middle.
McLaren is in 4th.. not by its own merit but by the lack of others. Because if AT were ate it, both yuki and gas would be way higher on the grid or even bottas. I don't have a favorite team, but richavocado is my favorite driver and these last 3 years have been pretty painful as a fan. This year especially.
And then they dumped even Ron. This Zak guy is great to sell sponsor space on the car - so everyone can enjoy an ever changing sticker montage. But unfortunately the technical improvement doesn't really come with those sponsor money...
The real reason is Gary Anderson praised the Mclaren instead of saying it looks like a bag of spanners like he usually does. Therefore they are cursed into mediocrity.
Mc laren only builds the car for norris. This is probably more significant than they want to admit. Look at his driving style. Ferrari and redbull are building the car based on the second driver because the first driver will get the best out of it anyway. Redbull realized building for Max was going in the wrong direction. Riccardo may no longer be the fastest but when he gets a car underneath him we know he can challenge even Max.
Red Bull wasn't building for Max, they were building the way Adrian Newey designs cars when left to his own devices: theoretically as fast as possible but drivability is an afterthought. Specifically in 2019 and most of 2020 they even admitted that they'd made a mistake in their calculations that was making the car unstable and a pain to drive. However, on top of this, Verstappen does tend to know more about setups than his teammates (Ricciardo specifically called him a tech nerd when they were new teammates).
I think part of it it’s that Mclaren aren’t a sleeping giant anymore, yes they have that history and pedigree. But they corporately in the company and team as a whole just aren’t the same as they were before even 10 years ago.
It's obvious to me that the Mercedes PU is no longer the dominant one of the past eight seasons. And the teams using that PU, Mercedes Benz, McLaren and Williams, are all struggling to keep pace.
Whilst that is true, Merc do seem to have unlocked something with it and the results from GR's side of the garage have been incredibly consistent. AM with Seb also seem to be able to make something of it as well, albeit not to the level of Merc. So the PU can deliver, it's just that McLaren haven't got a good enough car to go around it.
F1 should now get the 107% rule down to 104% at least if not 103% so as to not allow a situation like last year's Haas or keeping any overly slow car or unskilled driver out of the race.
@@andrewmancini46 7% is too big a gap nowadays and is useless. Even 2021 Haas was only 4.3% slower on avg. Don't want anything like that happening. Or even Latifi on a lot of weekends is far slower than everybody on the grid including his own team-mate
I could be wrong but I heard they do have there own but it’s too small for current F1 cars. So they are building a new one, which then got delayed because of the pandemic
We all have to agree that the Aramco sponsorship is annoying and let's be honest most of it is blood money, THE RACE already has a join membership i don't know if that's not enough for them , they could always make merch etc.
As long as we don't end up in the bottom 5 (which is unlikely) this season I'm fine, but I want to see McLaren fighting for third or even the championship next year. Also maybe if McLaren change their engine supplier they may get a better chance
Supplier change again? It must be already the highest number of engine supplier changes in the history of a single F1 team. Again 1-2 seasons would be down in the toilet while they accommodate the new engine (atleast they can blame it on that). In the meantime a soda manufacturer starts to manufacture engines on the basis of an earlier discarded suppliers tech... In just a couple of years... And they are winning - not just vegetating... It's a disgrace what McLaren's doing as a 'historic team'... (They are 'lucky' there is a Williams, which fails even harder...)
It’s embarrassing they lost to Ferrari development wise last year and are way off this year. Testament to what an engine supplier can do against a customer
This worries me- Lando has already said in interviews the car now needs another general upgrade but if that's not coming, how much more painful is this season going to get? I get the cost cap etc. and then it looks like they have made some serious mistakes with this years car but is it not a bit early to focus on next years!
"Anything else would be a failure." It's an interesting quote because this doesn't seem to hold for other teams who are still quite stable in the midfield. Tomorrow, i would be surprised to see McLaren leave the midfield behind as if nothing moved around them. Ferrari will fix their reliability issues, and just like the other top teams, they will keep investing. I doubt McLaren will keep 4th place this year, with their non existent pace on tracks they are bad on. Teams like Alpine or Alfa might be slower at times, but much more consistent.
I’m wondering if we’re seeing the “Ferrari effect” with McLaren, meaning that when they put too much effort into their road cars the F1 team suffers and vise-versa (an issue that famously plagued Ferrari for some time). Being such a small group of people has its drawbacks when their also trying to compete at the top level. Only one or the other will succeed individually but not both at the same time.
I'd say Alpine not being comfortably fourth or higher is the bigger story, given it's a works team. McLaren is where it should be. If it can land a works deal with new manufacturers entering, it'll be able to fight the top three.
Ross Brawn did his job slowing down Mercedes power unit. The power unit doesn't seemed to matter now that the formula has changed. Which means teams like McLaren and Aston Martin will have to find other means to improve their performance.
I wonder... Given the current rules if McLaren isn't going to do that well this year would it actually serve the team to drop down the order as far as it can? Daft? Maybe, but the following year the team would get a good deal more in the way of CFD / tunnel time / etc.
There are no words to describe how disappointimg it is for me, seeing McLaren struggle so much in 2022! You can't just pull a rabbit out of your hat in F1, and from this video, I don't see it getting any better!
McLaren's fortunes will only improve if they have a works power unit or a major car company buys them. They should have persevered with Honda. Just look at Red Bull.
They could stick with Honda... but that alone wouldn't solve the issue. Red Bull's totally different approach to Honda made it possible to thrive together. (And now it seems RB could continue without Honda's direct involvement - a soda company...) The mentality at McLaren doesn't allow such thing to happen. Not with Honda, not with Renault (even if it was just a 'forced' sidestep). And now here we go again... even a Merc engine isn't enough alone for the success... They fought so hard to run again with that starry unit... and they are again back in square 1, just like when changed to Honda, then Renault...
Not sure I agree with 2024 or bust. I don't see another team fighting amongst the big 3 anytime soon, McLaren or otherwise. I won't believe a customer PU team can win consistently until I see it. If I was McLaren I'd be fighting to land Porsche or Audi if it's strictly PU supply and not a sale
Just not true - the second and third most successful constructors in history - Mclaren and Williams - have never manufactured their own engine, not to mention Max last year.
@@into_the_void Red Bull in the V8 era was the works team for Renault. Renault provided Red Bull with special engine maps to make their blown diffuser work. They are the Honda works team now.
@@grahamtarkwell7890 McLaren and Honda did have a works relationship. Honda was the exclusive supplier to McLaren. Williams was Renault's works team as well, although they did supply to other teams in the 90s, it was only Williams who got the most powerful engines. Honda and Red Bull also have a works relationship.
I think that a big problem for McLaren are the facilities. Ferrari builds his car on facilities that have been build in the course of 70 years while McLaren has just started creating new facilities
The only team to go backwards and at this point Im disappointed Audi or VW didn't buy them because there's something clearly missing at mclaren which undoubtedly one of the later could contribute towards filling .there's only so much ££ the bank of Bahrain will give mclaren....
It would be dope to see a customer team actually in the title fight. But I also would want to see alpine in there too. They’re a goddamn works team struggling in the midfield.
I don’t think Mclaren will be able to win a Championship being an engine customer to Mercedes. This way they won’t ever be able to maximise their chassis performance. It’s unfortunate really
Ron Dennis got the right vision when he made the deal with Honda because he knew that you can't win championship being a engine customer.but instead of working with Honda they build a car and then practically says to Honda "well here's our car,now build an engine that can fit into it"
