The 2022 Oscars debacle really got me to thinking, is this the age of the movie star, and the cult of celebrity ending? Yes, and I'll explain how and why it happened.
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you are Scotsmen Why is it that Moviestars get less and less important for the actual work they do but on the other hand Footballers like Cristiano Ronaldo, Neymar or Mbappe get way more important than actual Football Clubs It's bascially the exact opposite
Keanu gave $50k to our soup kitchen for the homeless and didn't ask for a single damned thing in return. He even helped to unload the trucks. He's just a guy who wanted to help and so he did.
@@Johnny.1994 Was he supposed to say, "no, I'm done being Neo. Cast someone else.". If you respond yes then, you haven't considered all of the possible circumstances. Anyways, I haven't seen it. I don't really care to. The original trilogy was masterful, mainly the first 2 imo, and that's all I needed.
Yeah, I have nothing but love in my heart for Oliver Reed. He clearly struggled with his addiction, but was at least reaching for the higher meaning of life. And his performances show it
I was never a big Elvis fan but he won my instant respect when I saw an old clip where someone asked him a political question and he answered "Ma'am, I'm just an entertainer". Bravo, Elvis.
Nowadays, celebrities are *expected* to give their views on political issues. If you don't, it is assumed that you're right-wing - which is not allowed - and the entertainment media will *hound* you until you cave. That's what happened to Taylor Swift, and now she's insufferable.
@@Emper0rH0rdeChris Pratt seems to be doing alright. I remember when Twitter Marxists tried to cancel him for being a registered Republican - didn't go anywhere. Chris Pratt does the sensible thing and keeps his personal life personal. He doesn't argue with Internet-poisoned morons. I respect that.
@@cecily3797 You're right, but I think you can admire an aspect of an artist's public persona without endorsing the questionable aspects of their private life.
True. I understand wanting your favourite celebrity to share your political viwes but people put way to much pressure on them to share it. If I was a public person I would simply not be on social media to avoid being called a racist because I didnt post a black square on instagram.
One of my favorite actors is Tom Hardy and yet I know little of his personal life or opinions. He was once asked about this and he said something to the effect of "my job is to portray characters and roles that are believable in films. It is difficult to be effective in this when half the audience thinks you are personally an asshole".
I love and respect him now more than ever. Good to know he is not corrupt unlike Hollywood elitists George Clooney, Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman (called for gender-neutral acting awards), Ron Perlman (dumb woke lunatic), Brian Cox (one of the many activists protesting the Canadian pipelines), Robert Downey Jr. (posted something woke on Instagram and then deleted it after hundreds of angry fans let him have it, also an activist who protested the Canadian pipelines), Gwyneth Paltrow, Paul Bettany, Clark Gregg (defended Brie Larson and called the angry Marvel fans trolls), Edward Norton (one of the many activists who protested the Canadian pipelines), Don Cheadle, Scarlett Johansson (one of the many activists who protested the Canadian pipelines), Samuel L. Jackson (defends Brie Larson’s idiotic woke ideology and the toxic things she says), Jennifer Lawrence, Chris Evans (broke off his friendship with Tom Brady just cause he was a Trump supporter, attacked Buzz Lightyear fans by calling people “idiots” who refused to take their kids who were under 13 to see Lightyear cause of the forced lesbian kiss), Sebastian Stan, Anne Hathaway (called abortion “mercy” on The View), Mark Ruffalo (one of the many activists who protested the Canadian pipelines and is just an overall liberal clown and big time idiot and hypocrite), Anthony Mackie, Elizabeth Olsen, Dave Bautista (one of the many SJWs who hate Kyle Rittenhouse and called him a white supremacist), Marisa Tomei (one of the many activists who protested the Canadian pipelines), Benedict Cumberbatch, Taika Waititi (one of the many activists who protested the Canadian pipelines, cast a black woman to blackwash Valkyrie, and the smug idiot who said “I’ll ruin your mythos in a minute”), Brie Larson, David Harbour, Simu Liu, Angelina Jolie (heavily defended the sexuality-swapping in Eternals), Kumail Nanjiani (smugly said “looks like we’re upsetting the right people” when referring to the forced DEI agenda in Eternals), Tatiana Maslany, Pete Davidson, John Cena, Dwayne Johnson, Jeffrey Wright, Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin, Robert De Niro, Seth Rogen, Seth Macfarlane, Leonardo DiCaprio (one of the many activists who protested the Canadian pipelines), Kathleen Kennedy, Stephen King, James Cameron (senile coot who hates testosterone), Quentin Tarantino, James Gunn (wrote Velma as a lesbian in the first live-action Scooby-Doo film before WB forced him to make her straight like she is supposed to be), Patty Jenkins (when she was wrote Wonder Woman 1984), Julianne Moore (abortion lover and one of the activists who protested the Canadian pipelines), Patricia Arquette, Debra Messing, Jane Fonda (one of the many activists who protested the Canadian pipelines and is an overall crazy woman), Bette Middler (one of the many SJWs who hate Kyle Rittenhouse), Mark Hamill (tweeted a confusing but nasty jab about Donald Trump’s 3-year-old daughter dressed up as a stormtrooper for Halloween), John Boyega (bashed Game of Thrones for not having enough black characters or any black characters), Ben Stiller (one of the many activists who protested the Canadian pipelines), Viola Davis, Whoopi Goldberg, Oprah Winfrey, Amy Schumer, Alyssa Milano (dumbass SJW who hates Elon Musk), Jodie Sweeton, Shia LaBeouf, Emma Watson, Meghan Markle, Josh Gad (one of the many SJWs who hate Kyle Rittenhouse), Diedrich Bader (one of the many SJWs who hate Kyle Rittenhouse and called him a white supremacist for killing a BLM rioter in self-defense and out of fear), Peter Dinklage (disgusting political views and a big time simp for Rachel Zegler), Christian Bale (the Woke Knight who thinks too many white people are in charge of Hollywood), Robert Davi (first class hypocrite), David Cross, Jennifer Lopez, Kanye West, Arianna Grande, Joaquin Phoenix (big time activist and one of the many who protested the Canadian pipelines), Rooney Mara (one of the many activists who protested the Canadian pipelines), Shailene Woodley (one of the many activists who protested the Canadian pipelines), Amber Heard, Mindy Kaling, Halle Bailey, Rachel Zegler, Adele James, Jada Pinkett-Smith, and LeBron James (huge supporter of the BLM movement).
Alice Cooper once said, “I don’t like to mix politics and rock ‘n’ roll,” adding, “When musicians are telling people who to vote for, I think that’s an abuse of power. You’re telling your fans not to think for themselves, just to think like you. Rock ‘n’ roll is about freedom - and that’s not freedom.” I wish more people was like that
Too few people have actual principles, particularly the principle of being objective, fair, neutral, and professional. Many, many more simply have sides, and are being lulled into thinking that being emotional, narcissistic, manipulative, and power-mad are virtues. I even saw this in my own pre-Covid field of museum education... I took it as a given that you're SUPPOSED to be objective and neutral when teaching children, without imposing your own political views. That is disappearing. Now museums are SUPPOSED to be activist institutions.
Gene Simmons said "I think celebrities should basically shut their pie holes and just do what they do best - act, sing, tap dance, all that kind of stuff"
My question is why did people ever think an actor's opinion is better than or even equal to anyone else's? Because those are extremely emotional playing make believe.
They probably still do not realise this Robert, they should have remained out of reach until showtime, but hey they just can't help stroking their narcissistic egos. They need that appraisal hit. What's that old saying, familiarity breeds contempt.
I think the only ones that have some kind of "star" quality to them are Julia Roberts,Brad Pitt and maybe a handful of others that never bothered with SM or got attached to politics/social causes.Cant think of too many though
I hate to add something even more negative to this (honestly really insightful) take, but "Most of these people are complete fucking idiots, they're hallow, narcissistic, poorly educated, privileged, disconnected, impulsive, week minded, ignorant, and completely unqualified to give their opinions on most of the things they speak so loudly about" applies to all of us. I think a lot of celebrities aren't inherently worse than us, they're just unbearably human, and it ruins the mysticism that created celebrity in the first place, and the fact that they aren't better than us makes their privilege more glaringly obvious and painful. I think in the modern age there's a certain trauma that comes along with fame and constantly being in the public- although some of that is extended towards the average teenager now since we all have minor celebrity social media platforms and grow up increasingly exposed to the public, with the average person's privacy and space to be human and mess up increasingly violated. Not to mention, even experts are not experts on everything- a physicist isn't qualified to make statements on neuroscience, a politician isn't a psychologist that can perfectly assess people, all of us over share and most of us also exist within our own bubbles that are disconnected from others. It's interesting, sad, and also makes me feel for people.
I love that I came across this video days after finding out that Jennifer Lawrence JUST said in an interview that she was the very first female lead in an action movie. The "out of touch" is STAGGERING. Even in their own industry...
She has never seen the Jane Bond movies made in Hong Kong in the late 1960s. Or dozens of other Asian films from that era which had female action leads.
I mean to be fair, there have always been actors who preached political agendas, but generally they used to have an inkling of what they were talking about. But nowadays its all stunted homogenised rhetoric for whatever sounds good in a soundbite or a tweet. _sort of how this youtube comment sounds_
so well said Shadow Man or when the winners of the awards actually thanked their director, producer, cast and crew for making the film that won them the award in the 1st place instead of using it as a political agenda to spout politics and lectured that we all have to do better except them.
Awww I love that song. It's so catchy. But I agree with you. The age of the celebrity is over. Famous people just don't hold the same punch as they once did. Back in the 50s people like Marilyn Monroe or Grace Kelly were seen as royalty (I mean technically Kelly did marry a prince but different story) but now when people like Jake Paul can be famous, fame just doesn't seem nearly as big of a deal. And when you have celebrities so hopelessly out of touch with reality they're just asking to be forgotten
Exactly!!! anybody can be a celebrity nowadays, so what's the point of being an actor/actress? The industry is failing while independent productions are swooping in making legit entertainment.
@@ethanol1586 eh celebrity status will still exist, however it will be much more reduced. You cant be a celebrity if you create crap movies or poorly act. People will forget about you after your first bomb.
“They’ve made their careers out of saying words written by other people. They’ve spent years surrounded by well-paid Yes Men that never challenge their opinions or call them out on their BS.” Perfectly said.
"There are still some celebrities that seem to be good people." Cue four separate shots of Robin Williams because he was an international treasure that we all dearly miss and some of us still get teary eyed when we think about his death.
Oh blah blah. Literally every one who knows anything about Robin Williams knows about that. Newsflash, Mr. Negativity who just looks for reason crap on stuff other people love, no one cares what a man who had forty year career in the public eye did at the very beginning of it. Sorry about those comics, but unless he stole an entire routine, you can't claim he ruined anyone's career because he reused some jokes. If they were good comics, they could write new ones and if they were good comics, people would prefer they way they told them. Also, it was forty plus years ago. Please allow people to enjoy things without a need to tell them why they shouldn't. Your life will be much happier.
@@thecornerkid402 Sorry if you feel like telling the truth about someone, when someone else tries to make them a saint is "crapping on them". Must be tough to live your life like that, as someone who lives in their own (fake) reality, and then insults people for speaking the truth around them.
This is absolutely bang on. Social media has caused their downfall. Never has the phrase "familiarity breeds contempt" been more appropriate with celebrities. The best celebs that are still the most admired are the ones that stay away from social media.
Wich increases their chances because they stay away from saying or doing controversial things Wich at the same ones who probably wouldn't say those or do those things because they aren't that type of person It's almost like there is some reinforcing pattern...
Unfortunately that is not what I see from modern social media users. They either adore like a god a celebrity or treat all of them like garbages. They rearly have a balance. Of course that reveals a lot about those who judge the celebrities and how unstable and uneducated they are themselves. They just have a big ego, a little mind and a keyboard at their disposal. But I see nobody complaining about how dangerous this contempt is as well.
Christopher Lee was a proper gentleman. The extras on the set of BBC's _Ivanhoe_ were getting treated like dirt, even more than usual. Mr Lee spotted it, took the abusive puffed up little Assistant Director aside, and had a few quiet words. To this day, I never knew what he said to him, but you could actually _see_ the AD deflating like a scolded child, after that it was all "Please" and "thank you" from him.
I've seen it printed elsewhere that despite being a genuine Gentleman, one deserving of the capital G, that he could also bring himself up to his full height, puff out his chest, and look pretty scary 😱 I mean he was 6ft 5" and a horror movie actor! I'd imagine a hard stare and some quiet words from him would scare the pants of most normal people
He was also a trained military man. He was in the Royal Airforce as an Intelligence man during fucking WW2. He could absolutely back up any threats with that real, quiet power that comes from facing true challenges.
Well, an idiot wrote Imagine, sooo… You have to be a highly rarified type of out-of-touch, pampered lunatic to be as wealthy & privileged as they are, & participate in a clusterfuck of a video of a bunch of waterheads singing about the joys of communism. (I’m using the word “privileged” in its actual meaning, not the SJW sense where it’s a stock label used to insult anyone I don’t like (synonyms = boomer, [fill in whatever]phobe)).
Shortly after "The Matrix" came out, I commented to a friend that Mr. Reeves came across as a real person that you could casually have a beer with at a picnic. And that was well before Social Media became a thing. Same w/ Kurt Russell. Those are rare individuals indeed that I would give the shirt on my back to help out. But the rest of Hollywood can just "go away now."
at some point, somewhere, at some time, someone put it differently. They said something like "Actors are people who make their livings pretending to be someone else"
I have said this for years. After an actor being lauded for years for saying someone else's lines they have a desperate need to be lauded for their own lines. Since most of them are coddled, spoiled, egotistical, jackasses whose talent is pretending to be something they are not the only lines they have of their own are the same lines being parroted the most by those around them.
There was a time long ago when producers didn’t want their stars to go on TV talk shows because it made them look too common, too real. It broke the illusion of a “movie star,” and that was bad for business.
Danny Trejo, the actor who mostly in B-Movies and most famously playing as Machete is actually a chill and humble guy in real life. He's even having his own taco restaurant and during pandemic, he gives free tacos to homeless people and also for people who need more. He builds the taco restaurant because he loves to and just want to make people happy.
Wasn't Trejo in prison for 10+ for robbery or something like that before he became an actor? I guess that teaches a guy a lesson about people outside the Hollywood social bubble.
I'm fine with them having a political opinion, in the end they are people but they should talk about it without it being affiliated with their films and they shouldn't delete or be deleted for that
i feel like nepotism plays a huge part in this as well. a lot of celebrities (especially actors and actresses) end up being related to extremely wealthy individuals/families or other celebrities that have influence in the industry. rather than trying to focus on finding actual talent and passion, they just cast someone who already has a status and most definitely has the money. doesn’t seem too far fetched to think about someone getting cast in a role from the influence of another celebrity or by the money they could [possibly] be paying to the project to get themselves cast. i can’t remember for the life of me who did on the nepotism in hollywood, but the title was along the lines of “why all your favorite celebrities are related” and it was a great video. definitely gives you something to think about if you care enough about it.
When I see someone I think is really good I find they only have like two movies. And someone I think is terrible they seem to be in every movie. It’s got to be the nepotism thing because it makes no sense. We’re not getting the best talent, not even close.
Perfect example even though he's not an actor: Drake is the nephew of the bassist from Sly and the Family Stone, an extremely successful funk band from the 60s-70s
I love how we still have people like Keanu and Kurt Russell, but we never hear about them because they don’t feel the need to shout it to the whole world.
Is it a coincidence that they carry a reputation of being in entertaining movies? They do their charity behind closed doors and are selective with projects. What more could you ask for?
Keanu only assaults us with his awful movies. Somehow he gets a pass on that, but most of his movies are awful. Check out his filmography for a reminder. He's also extremely woke but is smart enough not to tweet.
On god. There’s definitely a place for actors in the world. But where the fuck is all the love and appreciation for the world’s best plumber? Where’s their fuckin trophy? Guess that’s harder to sell.
Now imagine is a plumber got royalties every time someone turned on the tap. Celebrities are only rich because for some reason society decided they should get royalties and not a one time payment for their work like everyone else.
@@akorn9943 >But where the fuck is all the love and appreciation for the world’s best plumber? Excuse me but I believe he's the mascot for one of the biggest entertainment companies in the world. :^)
Actors atleast those who actually do plays or movies which have some artistic value can be doing an important job. Too many of them have trouble staying in their lane. But of course plumbing is important. The odd thing is MSM tends to represent actors as if they were experts on everything from foriegn policy , crime and healthcare, to astronomy, social policy and climate.
I'd love to sit down and have a chat with Anthony Hopkins. As far as I know, he doesn't go on social media to express his opinions. He's too smart to go down that rabbit hole.
Everything you said rings true, PLUS the oversaturation of ALL content is such a surreal thing to contend with. Growing up watching a movie was like a real thing to do, now there are millions you can just put on in the background as you cook. What does this mean for future entertainment I wonder
Someone on Twitter mused that there should be a Netflix for people who just want something on in the background while the look at their phones. I responded “it’s here, and it’s called Netflix.”
Covid truly gave the entire world a reality check. One of them was showing everyone just how much the celebrities love to smell their own fart and not care about anything else
If the celebrities don't their jobs you just rewatch an old movie. If the truck drivers don't their jobs long enough there's a riot in your neighborhood. It's obvious who's more important.
My problem with modern actors isn't that they're bad, many are stellar, even ones that are considered past their prime still give memorable performances. My real problem is bad casting choices. The fact that every movie now, even animated ones, need to rely on well-established actors that don't even make sense in the context of their films makes these already boring characters less unique and starts to homogenise actors into certain "genres" of characters, not based on acting ability but if they're easy comic relief or attractive. I see films with actors that give gripping performances that stick with me for years, only to be a one-hit wonder that gets pushed out by Hollywood in favour of an established big name that can bring people into the cinema. A few actors are able to rebrand themselves like Adam Sandler in "Uncut Gems" which is really nice to see, but the silver screen just feels like a series of 40 or 50-year-old faces that get slathered with makeup to look younger and remind people of their good days.
@@Brian_Boru no not every single one. that's absurd and hypocritical. it's no better than the reverse. they don't like celebs making generalizations or absolutes about then based off their own experiences or a fee dumb fans. so why do this to them? keanu reeves seems like a genuine chill guy. doesn't mean he's perfect but he does a lot of good and it's usually only known when random people happen to catch it. I dont like Kim kardashian but give credit were it's due. seems like she to a degree saw that she was only known for the tape thing and wasn't actually self made. so she challenged herself and went to law school. no easy feat especially since she passed the bar and was proven she did it legitimately. she also used her influence and new degree and license to defend those who were wrongfully convicted and used her money to also help them get off their feet. that's something really good. she may be arrogant but that doesn't make her a bad person. she now actually has way more knowledge about business and law than most the public. some are out of touch. some more so than others. but not entirely unexpected. you go from one life to another. it all depends but it does fall on them to ground themselves and educate themselves but not all of them are such bad people. most, maybe yes....but all? that's just out right stupid to say
I'd say the narcissistic ones do a good job of blending in with the good ones. All the garbage Hollywood pedals is being pushed mainstream and narcissists don't have to hide as much anymore while the good ones are forced to keep their heads down for fear of being cancelled and careers destroyed.
@@aliquidgaming1068 You are right, I got the luck to interact with Stars from all kinds of paths, still, my best memory was by a professional Baseball player who made my day by getting happy AF for getting a free bag of m&ms (We got coupons to share with clients), didn't even know he was one of the highest-paid baseball players that year until the customer who walked next ask me if I knew who I help... seconds later I was wallowing in despair cuz I left the perfect father's day gift walkout. The best part, as he was with his mom and like a child went to show her the "Best purchase of my life, 2 cents for 2 bags of m&ms, you cannot beat that" I only know he was a Dodger's player but can't remember the name I was told by the client. My dad was way too proud of me lol.
I think this is actually a blessing, being more exposed to celebs, because now we're more aware of the dark stuff going on behind closed doors and it shows us we should be more protective of kids and what they engage with
You raise a fairly decent point. A lot of people for the longest time have gotten away with the most heinous shit and at best they would get an equivalent of a wrist slap or at worst nothing at all. The problem however lies in who becomes a celebrity these days. Awkwafina might not be a bad person exactly, however she is extremely annoying in everything she gets involved in with the only exception being Jumanji 2. Some people should never have fame.
Kind of ironic that we get to know them all better in a time when we're all closed off from each other rather than the days when we don't have to worry about whether we should shake hands.
I learned this lesson back in the 1990s. I was working for a major studio back then. By year three, when a coworker asked if I’d like to go to lunch with himself and Harrison Ford, I thanked him and declined. I wanted to continue loving Harrison Ford films, therefore I DEFINITELY did *not* want to get to know Ford as a human being. Never meet your heroes, folks!
@TheGlassesPro Yup. He was not a fan of the scripts and dialogue. After he was reading the script from one of the Star Wars originals he came up to George Lucas and told him “You can type this shit, George, but you sure as hell can’t say it”. Harrison Ford wanted Han Solo to be killed off in Episode V, but George ended up convincing him to reprise his role in Episode VI after it was decided to have him be carbon-frozen instead. In Episode VII he convinced J.J. Abrams to kill him off so he would not have to play him again.
@TheGlassesPro Yeah, funny how a role in a multimillion dollar blockbuster franchise that made him very famous and beloved by countless fans that he was so good at playing is something that he dreads. So if you are a Star Wars fan, then I highly recommend you to not meet him.
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 Imagine being an actor who's worked on loads of different movies and portrayed so many characters, but you get the same obsessed fans hassling you with the same dumb questions over and over about just one role that you took decades ago that wasn't exactly the pinnacle of writing to begin with. I'd get sick of it and I suspect most people would.
The saying “don’t meet your heroes” is true of celebrities on social media. Twitter etc has ruined the facade and mystery that fueled old celebrity culture. It ruined the illusion
@@ralphlowrey Twitter is Twitter, stop stinkin defending the thing (Social media) that made everything go to hell and back, this is why everythings getting even worse and why Im questioning life & reality itself
Me, I'm glad that the illusion has been stripped off. I prefer reality. I don't believe that these people should have been turned into aspirations much less heroes to begin with. When the true heroes should be scientist, educators, etc. People who are finding cures, making discoveries. Basically, people spreading or adding to our knowledge. We've become a shallow people who measure value by wealth and image instead of wisdom.
@@ScudX Or "Internet Killed the Video Star" "Hollywood" is definitely more elegant, but with "Video" you can concatenate: Video Killed The Radio Star Internet Killed The Video Star _________ Killed The Internet Star
Kitty Kelley called Elizabeth Taylor "The Last Star" in her 1981 biography. I think she was about right. Liz was about the last to have the allure and fascination of a proper star. That is now a gone source of pleasure. Nowadays they should stay in their marble palaces and attempt to retain some mystique. They should stop showing us what they do and think on a day-to-day basis, just so we can see that they are just apes. Someone should stop Gwyneth frickin Paltrow.
Edward R Murrow said it best all the way back in the 50's: Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you're any wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar.
"The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion. In the long run it will create a generation incapable of appreciating the difference between independence of thought and subservience." - Henry Steele Commager
@@BeingFireRetardant And yet he was the arguable leading force against McCarthy's investigations, when decades later we'd learn through declassified documents that more than 90% of the people McCarthy believed were communists infiltrating America...were communists infiltrating America. Murrow was so firmly ensconced in his beliefs that journalism and media were not and couldn't be compromised that he shut down the last great pushback against the monstrousness that has festered ever since. Those monsters came to the US in the 30s after people got fed up with them prostituting children on street corners back in Europe, and it took less than 20 years to get nice and entrenched.
I used to work in Hollywood, and I can say so-called movie stars are even worse than you think. Im so glad I got out of that cesspool. Working with celebrities cured me of any idolization I may have had going in to the business. These are the last people you want to lecture you about how to live your life.
How bad were they? Any specifics. Just curious heard a lot of stories on them and I’m not surprised about it just that it’s just so hush hush. Figured with social media there’s be more out there
Worked in ski shops in Aspen for years in the 90's and early 2000's, Kurt Russel and Goldie Hawn were good customers, Kurt would bring in a case of beers and drink with the boys while the wife shopped, very nice down to earth people, ahh the good old days!
I don't do this. Assholes have a tendency to infuse their art with their assholery. We should elevate artists who behave like decent people. There are only a few, but still.
A lovely sentiment and one I once believed in firmly- but once idiots like DeNiro decided his opinion was to be elevated, admired and on blast 24/7, I find myself actively turning away from him and his films.
Another issue I personally have, is that instead of moving away from this star culture we've found ourselves with, instead studios seem to be doubling down. It feels like every movie nowadays (with exceptions of course) is more of a challenge to see how many "big names" they can fit in one film, and not about making a good story for people to enjoy. It's just exhausting.
Quinton. That has always been Quinton . Read Adventures In The Screen Trade by the late great Writer William Goldman . He covers the Star system in it .
Yeah the "ensemble cast" seems to have become the norm for both the big corporate movie machine and the music industry. Instead of having one big draw, with the dwindling presence of big draws they try and throw as many medium draws at you as possible at the same time
Marriage Story was trying the most academy award nominees and winners (in the trailer text as well), Lincoln was most Celebs in the background and side characters and even the film i love, Don't Look Up was doing the same.
Don't get me wrong. I think most of the Marvel movies are great. The MCU has done an excellent job of bringing stories from the page to the big screen. But other franchises like the Star Wars sequel trilogy, the Justice League, and Batman vs Superman seem to be campaigns to sell action figures. Their just two hour toy commercials because while the CGI and special effects are engaging the story telling is horrible. This, along with the onset of reality television which has stripped away much of the celebrity mystique, are two of the many factors that has resulted in Hollywood culture being what it is today.
God bless Kurt Russell, one of the few actual good guys and actual bad a55es left in that shyte hole called Hollyweird? Punks like The Fresh Prince, aren’t even worthy enough to carry his jockstrap.
You forgot one important element: the quality of the actors. If once upon a time you could build an an entire movie around the image/charisma/skill of one central actor (or two) - simply because the actors were that good; today - you no longer can. Not by a longshot. That is because of the constantly lowering professional requirements by the industry, multiplied by the constantly dissipating acting skill among the 'source material'. Modern day actors appear (not all) to come from a cookie-cutter assembly line for the particularly inept, that in the better days - no one would even consider hiring. Blank, forgettable, crumpled paper husks that are boring and uninspired from the first look and line. Devoid of soul entirely. Soon enough, the post-apocalypse of the mainstream cinema will fully take over, with all that this entails. Go indie, or go back in time. Just like the age of the book came largely to an end, followed by the age of the hard-media (cartridge, compact disc, etc), so comes the turn of the age of the actor.
Most of them are wearing morph suits covered with beacons jumping around invisible threats in front of a green screen. Maybe acting craft just can’t overcome that much unreality.
Drinker you are spot on here, as usual. They say 'you don't know someone until you live with them.' and it's true. Now that we have access to celebs 24/7, it's like living with them, and now that we know them, we aren't impressed.
I remember getting told OVER and OVER again that movies aren’t real life and so I shouldn’t worry about the dark shit coming through them and people losing themselves engrossed in it. Now look at us.
The best thing that came out of 2020 was watching celebrities realize how out of touch they are and seeing them scramble to do anything to remain relevant. Doubly so when all of their 'We're all in this together, we're all in the same boat' bullshit was called out by so many millions of their 'fans', only succeeding in alienating them even more from the rest of society. What a time it was
ya but look at venessa hudgens. Her rant about people getting sick and shit back in like 2020 over covid and why Coachella shouldn't be cancelled and them getting sick isn't that bad. Nothing happened doesn't really matter they apologize and everyone moves on
Jeremy Renner has been one of my favorite actors since that one interview he did leading up to Avengers Endgame when he made Brie Larson look self-righteous and stuck up while also showing himself to be a humble guy who actually cares about what his job is supposed to do for people
I will always love that interview. That's when he became one of my favorite actors (I had already liked him before hand but this really upped him for me). The man was like "I don't want to mix politics with my job"
JK Rowlings situation is a prime example of society these days how they preach free speech and if someone gives their opinions they cancel them immediately. She did no wrong only spoke her mind.
@@idek7438 they didn’t just speak their minds. They literally tried to cancel and silence her. That’s not free speech working both ways, kid. Come back when you’re not obtuse and close minded my friend.
“‘People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?” @jk_rowling... I think Rowlings was upset that women were being canceled. Do you call your Mom your "birthing person"?
Funny how saying that their is no gender is "erasing women" but somehow, it's not considered to be erasing men too. Typical JK, only caring about women.
They should learn from Jim Davis, creator of Garfield. When asked about what Will Smith did at the Oscars, he said, "I don't really follow the Oscars much anymore. I just draw Garfield comics." I love that.
@@WolfStreak In the early or mid 90s, when asked about whatever the hell was going on then, Brad Pitt said "why are you asking me? I'm an actor". There's no way he'd say that now.
@@mrtb7676 That’s true, but I think it still comes down to the core of their character. There have been plenty of celebs with humble beginnings that have completely lost their ability to relate to those who aren’t extremely rich and privilege. I think part of it is that when money is no longer an issue, other personal issues arise. Some people don’t just realize how much of our lives revolves around the daily grind and financial limits (even if you are making good money) so they can’t understand the problems excessively rich people have. Those celebs become so focused on their issues and drama, they forget the struggles of their initial lifestyle.
There is one fact people ignore or are afraid to admit. The Hollywood execs are extremely confident and I don't blame them because all this would not be possible if not for the sheer stupidity and idiocracy of modern fandom in all aspect of entertainment whether animation, games and movies. The fans rant and complain but still falls for the same nonsense again and again without accepting thier own fault and contribution to this mess. It only takes a dollar and as long as you spend that dollar they don't give a rats ass whether you like the product or not because they will do it over and over again.
Excellent video and commentary. I agree whole heartedly with your views and opinions. You did a great job with the production and the narration is superb - loved the way you peppered the narrative with well placed colorful words. Well done! I'm a follower now - just downloaded the rest of The Critical Drinker videos.
That final shot in the auditorium of hundreds of "court jesters" doing a standing ovation to one of their own really put the whole thing into perspective for me. Good edit.
Look at the woman in the black suit at 9:22. Look how her eyes wander, thinking I'm I doing the right thing? Not many people standing up around me. Did I stand up too soon? Should I be stood up? I'm I just following a crowd that's smaller than what I expected. Should I, or should I not, put more or less effort into my applause? Sheep. The lot of them.
@@sabretooth1971 True, but it's not just Hollywood types who do that. It's all humans. Ever seen those old films of Communist Party meetings in the USSR or China? People looking nervously around to see if they've started clapping too soon or too late, wondering if they should've laughed or just stayed poker faced at Dear Leader's last comment, should they dare to stop clapping first or will that be seen as a sign of disloyalty, etc? Or how about at meetings in corporations where people are constantly checking to see if they are in the favor of the boss or superior?
@@yvonnelee4385 The problem with his opinion about the slap is that he's a lunatic and he most likely said that because he wanted to save himself from this whole situation, I don't believe he was sincere, like all the people in that room he's an actor and this was and act.
@@dansmith5012 he may be acting or not but that doesn't change the fact that what he said is true and if being a lunatic means seeing and speaking what is wrong then there's no problem being one
I kind of agree with you, but the thing about reality TV is that their images were always controlled by Hollywood gatekeepers so they basically were the same as movie stars in that they were handled. The Real World was on in the early 90's and it didn't have much effect on celebrity at large. I think celebrity started collapsing in on itself when Tila Tequila became famous on MySpace. She was the first random person to be famous exclusively online.
This is very well put. I'd never really given this a lot of thought, but I believe you are spot on... right down to the quotation marks around "celebrity". I feel like social media has not only been the knockout blow but also a nail in the coffin, perhaps not the final nail, but an important one nonetheless. Well said, my friend.
Jack Gleeson had an amazing "TED talk" about cult of celebrities. Mad respect for the guy. Video is titled "Leaving Game of Thrones | Jack Gleeson" by OxfordUnion. ""All I've done is acted in a TV show and pretend to be mean. For money essentially."
Outstanding yet again and superbly said. Truly.👍🏼 Thank you for speaking that which needed to be said, and that i have had in mind for a long, lonnng time. Keep it up, brother. You're a legend at keeping it real. Cheers 🍻
Unfortunately, we have an arguably even more repugnant type of celebrity now, the social media influencer. I feel like they're easier to completely ignore than traditional celebs though, so that's one positive.
I just watched all of the segments of this series. Thank you for exposing the rot that is this once beloved industry. Keep up the thoughtful work. Maybe it will have a positive effect.
Friendly Reminder: Johnny depp got fired due to a psycho chick that dumped in his bed (which should tell you everything you need to know about her) Yet we have this dude slapping someone at the Oscars and Ezra miller getting arrested for attacking a woman. Odd how the people that actually need to receive consequences never do, but the ones that don't deserve it get hammered hard.
@@s3studios597 There is even a "bullied nation" ... called Russia ... who has been blamed for EVERYTHING for 30+ years, even when it was clear that they didnt have the economic power to be the GLOBAL MEGATHREAT they were made out to be ... and now that the bullied kid is lashing out the "good guys" who have bullied it for decades are keeping on blaming it.
This is why I will always respect Viggo Mortensen. He never berated or insulted anyone because he believed his viewpoints were fact. He always had respectful conversations with people while stating his viewpoints and never put himself on a pedestal to be seen by everyone. His polar opposite would be Sean Penn who threatens to melt all of his Oscars if we don't help Ukraine. YEAH THAT'LL TEACH EM' BOY.
Sean Penn.... Great actor, absolutely vile horrible person.. I think his best role was in Carlito's way, seems about right for him Edit: I just realized ironically both actors are in Carlito's way... Interesting
Truly one of the best pieces I've ever heard, anywhere. Cheers, Drinker! 🍻 Reminds me of my favorite poem "Dinosauria, We" by Charles Bukowski in which he says, "[Born into this]. Into a place where the masses elevate fools into rich heroes."
"They've made their careers off saying words that someone else wrote". That puts it into perspective. I like Jim Carrey's comment: "I was sickened by the standing ovation. It's becoming more and more apparent that we're no longer the cool kids"
Oliver Reed, legend, died in a pub in Malta drinking and arm wrestling sailor's, which lead to the heart attack, still down to earth and being a man's man right till the end.
I don’t know man, he was a very trouble alcoholic and it’s pretty sad to see for me, having watched a few alcoholics drink them selves in to a early grave, I just see a man with an illness
For me personally, the moment when Hollywood really started showing its cracks in the foundation so to speak, was that mega-cringe sing-along that a whole bunch of celebs did during that height of the pandemic. So desperate for attention. So desperate to be in the public eye. So shallow. Full of virtue-signalling. That's when the last remaining bit of mystique and aura of invincibility was torn completely off. Hollywood celebs have money, ergo they are protected and insulated. That's literally the only difference between them and the everyman. Celebs are as flawed as any of us, and as bad (or good) as anyone.
At least a couple of the actors who appeared in it did recognise it was tone deaf, i.e. Jamie Dornan and Chris O’Dowd. Jamie Dornan did say he didn’t want to show his big house in the background knowing how that would look so he filmed it against a wall, and Chris O’Dowd and his wife didn’t really know what it was for (he said to Louis Theroux he thought it was a charity thing for kids). Maybe it’s because they’re not American? The UK/Irish film industries don’t seem quite so ego-driven as the US has been historically.
Culture is literally changing and Media reflects that but Media is also the Cause, cause it's all symbiotic. For example, Quotes from the 12. Doctor: "Oh, the Mechanized Space-Suits malfunction and attack us? That's funny cause that means we're like Anyone-else Everywhere-else: We're fighting the Suit!" 12. Doctor:"What makes you feel so superior? It it the good House? But Human-Progress isnt measured by Industry, it's measured by looking at a Life. An unimportant Life... a life without privilege. 13. Doctor: "OMG, OMG, OMG, have you heard of Space-Amazon? Amazon is so epic, everyone who disagrees with that is a literal PIG. We should all stop criticizing Amazon forever." I kid you not, they said that. Holy Penguin, wtf.
I'm so glad I found your channel 😊 I used to be such a movie goer and am amazed at the amount of pure shit being spewed out these past few years. I enjoy your takes of the movies being thrown at us.Keep up the hilarious takes and bottoms up👍
100% spot on, actors have always been obnoxious and ridiculous, their publicists just didn’t have to contend with social media on their clients’phones.
Kurt Russell is a legend. From what I understand he "shunned" Hollywood and lives on some big ass ranch in the middle of BFE. He never talks Politics but he's been pressed into admitting he's a Libertarian before, which I have huge respect for. He seems like someone you would honestly like to have a beer with and just talk about film.
My cousin worked at a very high end boutique in Muskoka Ontario, where they once had a beautiful “cottage” on nearby Lake Rosseau (which they sold), and she said Kurt and Goldy were THE nicest folk you’d ever meet. They would ALWAYS remember her name, even after a year, gave her great tips and would actually spend time asking how her semester in University went and such. Just a pleasure to be around? Her daughter Kate Hudson and that ex Black Crowe husband of hers on the other hand, were THE most self entitled, demanding, mean, and narcissistic twits, you’d ever meet? Her poor mom would always be embarrassed, every time she’d berate a customer, or fan just asking for an autograph(who were mostly kids btw!). Her now ex husband Chris Robinson, would be so hopped up on drink and drugs, he would intentionally eff with customers, who didn’t even know who the hell he was? They just thought he was some homeless weirdo, who pitched a tent over at the Windermere Golf Course, looking for a handout? 😂 And in that part of town, their “nobody” neighbours and patrons, probably had more cash in their pockets than that clown had in his entire bank account! He just thought everyone were stupid Canadian “eh?” hicks up there, who served for his personal(and drug addled) amusement. And at 50 something, he’s still pathetically playing the stereotypical rock n rolla, which I’m sure Kurt would now love to knock his teeth out, just as he probably did years ago, but had more self control than the Fresh Prince!
Kurt Russell learned a lot from his dad who was also an actor (Bing Russell). Kurt has managed to keep mostly to himself and make some great movies. Good for him. I, for one, never got the worshiping of actors and saved all of my love and accolades for Weird Al Yankovic. Now, there is a true entertainer.
Charlton Heston on the set of "the planet of the apes" asked the actors playing apes if they had straws for them to eat with for lunch. the staff forgot them and they where on a offsite filming set Charlton ran a mile back to the main set to get them and ran back to give them to the acting crew. I dont think i could picture any modern actor doing that.
Charlton gave his son rides in the Chariot on the set of Ben-Hur when they were having father-son time on the set during downtime. Great example of fatherhood. Still amazing that him and Steven clearly did most of their own stuntwork in that. Boyd was actually being dragged along the ground by the horses and holding onto the straps!
This video might not be that old, but it definitely applies to well over a decade of what ~95% of Hollywood has been plopping out. I'm glad more people are *finally* speaking up about it. End this creativity stifling cringy absurdity Hollywood! Just focus on making good movies again, please! The '80s and '90s proved how you can *easily* make a wide variety of movies that just happen to have diversity and/or a female in the lead role and still be good with good character growth and good life lessons to be learned and more than just villains in the form of white Nazi-like guys and then the only good white guy happens to be the gay one or any other stereotypical woke nonsense like that... And most importantly just plain good writing.
This has to be one of your best commentaries. These people are no more than entertainers, and that's what they should be focusing on. And that's what their fans should realise.
"I could probably go on for days about this; real enough examples of celebrities embarrassing themselves in front of millions of people." I would totally watch that. Sounds like fun content.
I'm sure the drinker is going to come back to us with more content like this topic. He already crapped on how Lucas films has gone from legendary to a disastrous flow of content.
I remember prior to social media being such a big thing, the concept of "don't meet your heroes" was already especially true of Hollywood. Social media just made it harder to avoid.
Who was it that said if you didn't want to be famous you can just walk away? Same for social media. There are some well educated actors but like any JOB they should focus on their craft and shut it.
How ironic it is that the show called Hawkeye, the first episode was titled just that: "Don't meet your heroes." Its almost like they know they're failures. And they're _still_ managing to capitalize on it.
It’s seems to me that the success of so many movies that were made with no stars, proves that acting really isn’t that hard. These people look great not so much of their acting ability, but the script writer, the costume maker, the camera operator, and director, and a hundred other people making them look good. The first Star Wars movie at the time it was released was one of the biggest hits ever! And Harrison Ford was the only actor who had appeared in a previous film! If I were a movie production company, I’d never hire the same actor twice. Just think how much money is wasted sucking up to these high paid actors, that could be saved by hiring fresh talent for each movie? They are supposedly paid these high wages for their ability to draw in an audience. It’s worth $20M to attract all of this actor’s followers. But the success of Star Wars, and a dozen other such films, seems to prove that wrong. And now more than ever, you run the risk of hiring a star for your movie, and before it hits the box office they’ve gone and humiliated themselves to the point no one will come see the movie! And what is all this about hiring celebrities to do the voices of cartoon characters, do people actually care? Most of the time I never knew who was the voice of whoever cartoon character, until much later when they talk about it themselves. Seems the movie studios are trying their best to waste money?
(Nearly) No one knew Rock Hudson was gay until he died of AIDS in the mid eighties. It caused huge controversy on the set of Dynasty. Now we have to hear about it every time a Kardashian farts or someone has a body part chopped off. Man I miss the eighties.
I'm convinced a lot of movie stars confuse scripted lines with their own thoughts. They begin to believe on some level that they're as witty, informed, wise, and brave as their fictional characters. And it's usually in proportion to how much their celebrity status has removed them from general society.
I'm with you there. It's the thought process of "well, I starred in well written movies, so that means that I am also intelligent and articulate with my words," when we all know that's absolutely not the case.
I Agree! and dare I say it Zelensky would probably have never gotten into politics if it wasn't for the character he played in a popular tv show - maybe forgot he was ACTING
@@OGGuaves almost akin to Reddit moderators thinking they are way more important then they really are. God are celebrities just successful Reddit mods?
Peter Dinkladge is a prime example of this. That guy is towering above us thinking he has the wits of Tyrion Lannister while completely missing the point. His size is actually a reflection of his personality and inversely representative of his ego. But after all isn't he the one who said he couldn't be bothered to read the books?
"The United States had become a place where entertainers and professional athletes were mistaken for people of importance. They were idolized and treated as leaders; their opinions were sought on everything and they took themselves just as seriously - after all, if an athlete is paid a million or more a year, he knows he is important … so his opinions of foreign affairs and domestic policies must be important, too, even though he proves himself to be both ignorant and subliterate every time he opens his mouth.” - Robert Heinlein
Spot on. The cult of Hollywood always depended on the illusion that they were classier and more refined than us. Now they're *constantly* demonstrating how ignorant, trashy, self-obsessed, arrogant and utterly pointless they are. Of course - they *could* just shut it, but their narracistic personalities simply won't let them do that.
They actually used to be classier and more refined cause there used to be etiquette schools for celebrities teaching them how to walk and talk and behave in public. This is where the golden age of Hollywood comes from, the mid-atlantic faux british accent, etc. In simpler times they were legit forced to be classier (in public). As time goes by even those refined celebrities had the raunchiest dirt uncovered once they passed on.
Their masters (the Hollyweird machine owners) have always hated us, but they needed us to feed their maw through buying movie tickets, so they kept a mask of civility. That is no longer true and it is why they have taken the mask off and let their hate shine through.
Including Madonna on the list of mere entertainers is dumb. Madonna is a poet and philosopher, a Genius that is greater any prophet who has walked the earth. Hating on Madonna is a cheap attempt to gain subscribers (Ben Shapiro tried that, also with the Bathtub video of Madonna). Madonna is a RECOGNiZed Scholar by the IVY League universities and she even taught a course in Harvard Business school. The woman was a Straight A student. Just because someone is popular and beautiful, it doesnt mean they cant be super intelligent.
If anything, total props for your montage of 2-second movie clips which cover a huge range of classic and relevant scenes with appropriate commentary. Anyway, that's all I have for today... Go away now ;-)
It has always baffled me how we, as a society idolise, admire and put people on a pedestal who make pretend for a living. It's amazing really, how the court jester evolved into what we now see on our screens.
We impose the qualities of the characters they play onto them, and so it’s not them we idolize but the amalgamation of the roles they play, never stopping to think of them as just regular people 🤷🏼
@C This is why I hate when people shit on directors, actors, writer's, or people who make music and video games just because they do those things as their job. Like there are several reasons to not like those people outside of what they do for a living but people for some reason want to pretend like their jobs aren't an important part of society. We as a species have been telling each other stories and creating art before we even knew how to farm, its a fundamental part of being human. The only things we truly remember about most ancient people are there cultures. When someone talks about the ancient Greeks, they talk about their gods and hero stories or their philosophies. Same with the Eygptians, the Sumerians, and many other civilizations in history. I would bet that the thing current Era Americans are gonna be remembered by is the culture we leave behind so why treat it like it's not important?
I never understood celebrity worship, to be honest I have always found it quite pathetic! There is nothing wrong with respecting someone for being good at their job, but that is far as it should go!
That was in the past. It's like the video said, they used to represent the pinacle of culturally refined. Social media destroy the illusion and made everyone into a celebrity. When everyone is famous, no one is.
I had a few favorite celebrities but never worshipped them. I don’t understand why people put them on a pedestal either. That’s why they’ve become Gods in their delusional minds.
@@2011zeldafan yeah nothing wrong with having some favorite celebrities, it is no different to having favorite foods or beers or cars etc. Liking someone's movies or music, or admiring an athlete's skill is totally normal; but this strange adulation we as a society have developed for people who are paid to entertain us is weird and unhealthy, and unfortunately a lot of people seem to value what a person says and does in relation to politics and philosophy and life in general, based on whether or not they like them as an entertainer. Personally I have plenty of celebrities that I enjoy their work, and even admire their ability, but I admit as people some of their ideas are laughably bad, and some of them are crappy people!
No the problem is people like you who actually think people "Worship" them to begin with. Lmao I'm the same way I'm a fan of a lot of different celebrities/singers/athletes and their work and performances they put on (so are other people ik) but I have never met anyone that actually legit worships actors or other famous people