Why NBA Offenses Are Becoming Harder and Harder to Defend | Full Show 

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Apparently our NBA offenses are easy to defend when playing internationally. Edit: I saw that you finally gave Larry Legend his props 🙏.

hey thank you@@annunakian8054

​@@rudimerm7686I have yet to see an NBA team struggle against an international team. But every four years, when the US gets serious, they mop the floor with the international competition.

​@@rogelioatempa1115 liessssss

Exactly!

You can thank the Warriors for that... hard to stop the best shooter in the history of the game when he's getting two moving screens from "elite screeners". I don't think I've really seen more ppl get away with blatant moving screens like Draymond and Looney do.

@@kgtd2160all teams set moving screens and illegal screens. You just notice it more on prevalent teams like the warriors with top tier shooters.

Thinking Basketball has a good video on the evolution of the game. The rules haven’t changed, but referees just stopped calling them as carrying violations. Same thing with offensive fouls and gather steps

Ai invented carrying the ball don't act like it's a new thing

Im with you, the national media hardly analyzes the game anymore rather than just picking their favorite players and crapping on the ones they dont like

well said

IS LEBRON THE GOAT?!

No. Pregame shows have been plagued by sports betting. Sports betting being so mainstream has actually ruined many aspects of sports for me.

By the way, I am usually not the moralizing type and tend to be quite libertarian. But at the same time, I have seen gambling addiction close up and think that the entertainment vs competition dynamic in the nba is unstable. Both forces are at work, it is always a question of how much. I am a Hornets fan. They do need to win to sell tickets People go to watch the big star go off on them. They are happy to do it. Many are just as happy to have Lebron or Curry come in and score 50 on them. They get to tell their friends about it the next day. It is entertaining. The gambling aspect adds to this entertainment dynamic--will Paul George score over 23 pts tonight? Likewise, the Hornets would probably make more money if the big market teams get in the finals and they keep their salaries down. Finals ratings are everything. Conclusion: the hornets are essentially entertainment and the league has to decide if they make more money as entertainment or as competition. It is a fine line. They need enough competition for the credibility and have to find ways to keep it about competition, but they are only incentivized to do this up to a certain point. Am I off? Would love to hear a pod about this? It would explain a lot about what the average fans sees going on. By the way, I still love it, and I still think we get the best basketball in the world during playoff time!

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The guys shoot better today facts, defence is non existent players can't even get.close to be touched, no one stands in their way during layups. Those analysis and numbers don't tell the story, JJ is just making the case for the era he played in, besides he was just a spot up shooter mediocre player 🤷🏻. God send 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

because there is no hand checking lol bring that back all scores plumet

carrying the ball most of the time not being called if the ball stops then starts it is a carry.....never called because the young people wanted scoring

Tmac,kobe,vince and lebron was in 2000s..ive yet to see a group of wingz as talented and skilled!!Stop lying to urselves!

People just don't like to give credit. Blaming is much easier.

The game is out of balance. All we see now are multiple 3 point shots. Honestly, aren't you sick of pick and roll offense. We almost never see a fast break anymore. Player movement is almost gone. Hanging out in the corner is stifingly boring offense. Because of the one dimensional offense we see today most teams have a problem of running a good play at the end of the game.

​@@Gnofgalmost never see a fast break? You definitely don't watch the NBA.

@@rogelioatempa1115 I have watched every NBA finals since 1965 and what we see today is a one man offense with pick and roll with 3 people hanging out at the 3 point line. It is super boring. Watch this real fast break. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ML9t9wf-evo.htmlsi=rPvq6lIX2uhjdXQI

@@Gnofgdefinitely don’t watch NBA😂😂😂 NO FASTBREAKS💀💀

his shooting may be a bit shady, but his effort is always there. good dude

He’s kinda like the modern day Rodman in his dislikability yet talented.

Exactly! This is why we get embarrassed in international play, they don’t allow traveling, flopping, foul baiting etc. They teach fundamentals before entertainment, team before iso ball and allow physicality.

Facts thank you reddick is in love with this stupid nba basketball Era Which is fake basketball

@@dez_chi_boiamen, somebody had to say it

@@dez_chi_boi We get embarrassed in international play because we send the G-league version of a national team, let's be real.

@@megadriver23funny you say that because this era was the only time he was relevant when he was playing in the NBA. Before the nba rule changes he was a bust in the league 😂😂😂

Not a good argument at all cuz European league players might be good but their talent level doesn’t match the nba at all… the talent in the nba has been higher than ever!!

@@phantomdancer3279 Such an outdated argument this is. There always was a talent gap but now it's the most narrow it's ever been. Top 3 players in the NBA are Europeans who played in Europe before. Team USA with multiple NBA stars just placed fourth in FIBA world cup and lost to Lithuania who had a grand total of 1 NBA player

@@MeLoveParisHilton u just beat ur own argument… the 3 top European players are all in the nba.. the talent always finds itself going to the nba. Meanwhile u got journeymen playing in euro league. U can’t expect bench type players to average the same numbers as stars. And another factor u didn’t consider is the spacing, the best shooters are also in the nba. These players open the floor more too and 5 out offenses is a bit reason the center role has been nullified by a huge margin as a center can’t just sit the paint, he has to be able to guard outside and when he goes out it opens the paint.

@@phantomdancer3279 Bro, I just told you that USA with all its stars got beaten multiple times in the world cup by teams comprised mostly of players who play outside of the NBA. If the skill gap is so massive then please explain why these STARS are struggling to beat bench players. This almost never used to happen before outside of the LeBronze era.

Talent levels should be relative. If the Euroleague is less talented, or the NBA is more talented, they are competing internally, so it should be consistent. If the NBA is so much more talented, then why does defense suck in the NBA? It has to do with the differences in rules.

What was the rule change jordanshians can’t never speak a fact

I don't know what a Jordanshian is, but zone defence as a whole was illegal. Now it's pretty well the only thing you see, it conserves energy on defence and is easier for an offence to break through, thus creating more points. Shall I continue? What about the hand-checking rule? That change alone made defence obsolete allowing offences to thrive. I sPeAk FaCt EnOuGh? Now, since you were quick to judge, can you: - Provide any evidence that the NBA's viewership isn't at record lows, year over year - Provide any evidence that todays NBA isn't primarily focused on offence rather than defence? (Hell, the NFL did the same thing. Touchdowns get views far more than interceptions.) I'll wait... LOL.

⁠@@rickylafleur1446u might actually be retarded

People not using cable anymore and using illegal sites 😂

The NFL, NASCAR, F1, Soccer, Cricket, UFC have all increased their viewership numbers & are also faced with people not using cable and using illegal sites. So that's not a great excuse, unless you think It's odd how it only affects NBA/Baseball.@@professionalcurrysexual9289

Doesn't seem like too many teams hit the o boards. Majority of league fall back when shot goes up.

Out of curiosity he mentioned all those ways to score the basketball. Could it be argued that midrange games are the ones that lost the most due to analytics? People talk about post ups like they aren’t done anymore, but I find it interesting that they have gotten more efficient.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@fortynights1513yes, analytics HATE and I mean HATE mid-range or long 2s. Remember when the Suns were the first seed the season when in the playoff they lost to Dallas? that regular season according to analytics the suns were the worst team in shot attempt or something I dont remember even though they were the first seed and what phoenix suns that season loved the most? Mid-range

⁠​⁠@@fortynights1513and about post-ups there’s only a few guys who really efficient in post-ups but the best post-ups player and efficiency it’s not even center, it’s Luka ( he’s really big for a PG)😂 but he just started to stop doing it because he doesn’t need to anymore, he has MORE helps now

@@HARTTGI’d take it then that there just aren’t many players who are good enough at mid range and posting up to justify them doing so regularly anymore given analytics. Also you mentioned midrange and long 2’s. At what point on the court does a midrange shot become a “long two”?

@@fortynights1513 basically a foot on the 3 point line or close to it, I'm personally fine with players, especially good scorers taking midranges but when the foot is touching the 3 point line, you might as well shuffle 3cm backwards for an extra point or go a bit closer for better accuracy.

Exactly, not enough people understand/know this. The Nuggets averaged 120 ppg several seasons with hand checking, barely any 3s just because of pace. Its really the Detroit bad boys that slowed the game down (and even their first succesfull seasons they allowed over 104 ppg)

The 60s were even crazier in terms of pace- that's how teams tried to attack the paint protectors of that period. They were hella inefficient but they ran like hell every possession. We have a long way to go to get there, or even to the 80s.

What caused the slower pace of the 90’s and 2000’s?

@@fortynights1513 mainly like what @marrtenvz said about the pistons of the late 80s started slow it down by taking advantage of the rules with their over aggressive style and teams started to play on that trend and prioritize running more offensive sets to get the best matchups

By the narrative you’d think people were scoring 85ppg in the “good ol” days of the 70s/80s.

Couldn’t agree more man

While I agree in part, I don't fully agree with the FIBA part of your argument. In my arrogant opinion, part of the reason it's harder to score in FIBA is because the court is smaller.

Truth, I think nba players have said this during FIBA play. But JJ won’t point that out, rules have dictated how offense is played today. It’s all about freedom of movement which allow more spectacular plays by the stars which become great clips on social media. Then every comment notes guy picked up his pivot foot or takes 3+ steps. 100% entertainment vs playing great basketball that we all learn growing up.

Gather step has been around aince forever, players are just so good at exploiting it now. Man go read the rule Book and stop blabbering nonsesne

@@FranzCev Lol, if they get 2 steps, they will take 3. If they get 3 steps they will take 4. Players are traveling and it isn't called, for the sake of entertainment.

@@shorewall so you are talking about the referees then not the rule, the rules are the same, it is just the referess not calling them

Stop it

It's more so players are better offensively than ever before than anything the league did.

@@rogelioatempa1115 LOL

JJ ripping JxmmyHighroller takes and calling them his own *im joking*

With how difficult defense is to play now there’s no point in doing that. You will be rewarded much greater by focusing on having an elite offense and having a solid defense on the side.

I don't see how actually playing defense is more difficult, any more than shooting free throws is. Matchup issues are a different story, but defending is defending and hasn't changed. Fundamentals are the same.

@@kennyannunziato5477 Officiating has definitely changed.

-- Agree. Both can be right: RULES restrict the defender, which allows for greater offense; AND the analytics shows what works better so they use the drive-kickout-for-the-3, etc. Hot Take: Bill Lambeer would be better today than the 80s -- even though he was an enforcer. He rebounded and shot well from deep.

Rules are probably 20-35% of it. The rest is more skill, better tactics, and better athletes. The 90's rules enabled and favored iso's and two players pick and roll. I, for one, am extremely glad the NBA eliminated the old illegal defense rule.

@@joshb.1118- side comment: NBA players may be more skilled shooting wise and have better schemes, but more athletically, probably the same from 30-40 years ago (so similar Speed, jumping ability). As for domination, the US could barely keep up with the world championships. Yes, not all the best US players participate, but also world basketball rules allow for more physical defense.

​@@jlui21my guy just wait till the A-caliber players play in the Olympics next year and they'll wipe the floor with the international competition like they always do.

​@@jlui21cap, on average players today's average height is 6'7 with at least 6'10 wingspan and 35' verticality. So what's the point of bringing up speed, athleticism factors when players in 90's are small?

Cap

@prestoCreams the rules favor the offense more than ever and I’m okay with that I prefer higher scoring games anyway, idk why you’re getting so defensive 😂 he’s not wrong

@@prestoCreamsJJ just said “the rules favor the offense”…If you can’t touch a player on a drive without a foul being called, off course statistically the drives category would go up….

@@inokerogoyawawhat is that rule that favors the offense? You are making xit up man

@@FranzCev If NBA players say it and you still don’t believe them, I don’t know what to tell you…Everybody knows the rules favor the offense…

The post ups were only there because of illegal defence. Did you know that during the zeroes 20/30 teams shot below 40% on mid range shots? And they took 30 mid range shots per game. Its incredible it took coaches that long to figure out this was a terrible shot. Why do we glorify these mid range bricks?

Embiid is the perfect example

Fg% is a terrible way to measure efficiency. If you go 4/10 from two you get 8 points and you're playing badly, but if you're 4/10 from three, you're playing great. Look up true shooting percentage if you want to talk about efficiency. Last year's was a record high at 58.1%, far above the 53-54% that was standard across the 80's and 90's while being almost 7% better than the early 2000's. For context, 7% is Joel Embiid's shooting percent above average this year. The average player today is shooting as if they were Joel Embiid when compared to the players of the early 2000's, which is insane.

@@tairoberts8435You are correct and I did use that first but I felt that true shooting percentage had a bias towards modern day and certain types of players due to the increase in three point shooting and spacing caused by rule changes. I know it's supposed to adjust and account for threes and FTs but TS% doesn't have a way to account for different eras with different rules sets. It's designed for comparing current players against each other not really across eras. There was also a weird FTA discrepancy by era which affects comparing TS% across eras. How much it affects, I didn't want to spend the time figuring out since this is just based on pure interest. But that's all besides the point really. Even if you used TS% that doesn't help explain the why's behind the better offenses, just that they have a better TS%. I also misspoke/made a mistake looking at the data. Teams in general weren't more efficient in the 80s and early 90s but certain teams were (Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Nuggets, Magic). And that's based on TS%, or FG%. My guess is that's because they all had historic star players that could score at will and efficiently, even with those rules. Based on TS% teams are more efficient nowadays though, I'm just not sure how that translates across eras. If a team in the 80s-2010s has similar TS% with those rules and spacing, should we give them a correctional bump and say they're just as if not more efficient due to the differences in rules and philosophy?

@@cookiesforlunch generally speaking, you can't jump eras with any type of scientific accuracy. The offenses of the day were designed to attack the defenses of the era, and the defenses were made to attack the offenses of that era. Dropping a team like the 2024 Suns into the 90's would result in the Suns promptly taking over the league, purely due to their schematic advantage. Teams back then would see a skinny 7-footer and tell their bigs to back up and hit him hard as soon as he steps foot in the paint. Unfortunately for those teams, Kevin Durant shoots over 40% on open threes. When you want to talk about efficiency, you have to do it compared to the league average at the time. For example, if the average true shooting of a player in 1980 was 54%, we would compare individual players to that number. If he shot +6, (incredible efficiency) he would reach 60%. That exact same percent today, would only be +2, or above average. That's how you correct for eras when discussing player value. Time machine hypotheticals don't work simply because of how much the game has changed.

@@tairoberts8435 I agree with the first point about jumping eras with any accuracy. After that I'm a little confused because you argued against time machine hypotheticals but used a time machine hypothetical in the 2024 Suns. Also I don't think that example works anyways, in fact it proves the exact opposite of what you were saying. Kevin Durant started on the Sonics in 07/08 and the knock on his first few years was that he settled for too many threes and long jumpers and couldn't get to the paint (partially because of rules allowing hand checking and more physicality). Also defenses did try to defend him how you said at first but continued to adapt to how he played. So you can't assume they'd just play the same against a team dropped into the 90s and allow them to chuck up wide open threes. They'd quickly adapt to run them off the three point line. Except the spacing wouldn't be like it was today because everything would be a step or two slower due to the physicality. Part of what creates the open three is the speed at which current players get downhill and into the paint. And the three creates spacing, which leads to open driving lanes on the rotation. That was all enabled by the rules against hand checking and limiting what you could physically do to the ball handler. That's why JJ and other players say Offensive players have a definitive advantage nowadays, because you can't touch them nowadays if they have the ball in their hands. Add in a screen and rim dive and you can pretty much get in the paint at top speed on every play. Your point on efficiency is correct but only when comparing within decades. So comparing like Hakeem and Jordan to league average of the 90s. Or Jokic and Luka to league average of today. When you started crossing eras you made a mistake. Which is that you have to also take into account the inverse. Meaning what would say Jordan look like or Magic look like if they got to play with these rules and this kind of space, were surrounded by an extra shooter or two, and adjusted their games to optimize their shot selection. Magic would probably have 20 20 20 triple doubles with all the extra space. Jordan is more athletic than anyone in the league besides Andrew Wiggins (his jump records still stand at the draft combine to this day) and he'd get into the lane at a higher rate than anyone currently playing. Or imagine Kobe and Shaq If you couldn't touch them on their drives and had this kind of spacing and an extra shooter or two in the team. They were already unguardable. My point being you can't expect their stats to stay the same in the modern day. They'd all have a much higher TS% playing now. So how do we account for that?