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Burgeon has given him some lease of life but I think he still falls behind the better OG's, quite significantly. So far the biggest glow up came to Kuki, the rest of Inazuma 4 stars are kinda either just okay, mad niche or Sayu.

It’s weird that he’s ascension increases his attack but his shield scales off of HP. He also has an insanely high energy cost for his burst at 80. I really hope Hoyo fix Thoma.

why no one plays thoma: they misspelled thomas. what an obvious mistake. they should try hard next time to make less bad mistake thank you

The weirdest part about Thomas has to be his hp growth it's the lowest of all characters who scale off hp which is weird

Burgeon thoma: hold my shield

So, what we’re learning is that pyro is a ruined element due to the fact that two 4 stars can do everything you’d want/need and do them extremely well, so for a pyro unit to stand out they’d need to be completely overpowered like Hu Tao… Barely two years in and we’ve already made power creep a necessity for new units to be worth pulling for anything other than really REALLY liking the character

As a thoma main since his release (c6, lvl 90, triple crowned) this video explains pretty objectively good points, and i can appreciate it. My only gripe is how the general fanbase constantly compares him to zhongli. Of course there is no competition between the two, one is a five star who was buffed with updates, and is widely regarded as the most helpful unit in game. One is a 4 star. It's an unfair bar to hold. Compare him to diona like was done in the video, and the criticism feels more well rounded. Comparing thoma to a limited five star unit who is a literal God in game is like comparing a college graduate to a middle schooler on intelligence. There's also some people who I feel like don't really "get" how his shield works, but that could be an argument for his design flaw: it should be more user friendly. idk, tl;dr as a hardcore thoma stan I know he's not for everybody. I just wish the fandom was a little more fair in their comparisons, like this video was.

The real reason why no one plays Thoma is that he is so much of a precious waifu to the point we keep him back home so we could come back to this beautiful man's delicious cooking.

With the addition of Burgeon, i think Thoma's kit some gets more kinda complicated, 1. You need HP for his shield strength 2. You need ER cause his ult cost 80 energy for some reason 3. You now need EM to boost the damage of Burgeon Best move is to focus on EM and ER for Burgeon teams

Thoma holds Kitain spear on his splash art, which used to be regarded as a very meh option for him, but now with EM-scaling Burgeon… It’s all coming together.

Makes you wonder how they're going to design a pyro archon when time comes.

This will be interesting, I initially built thoma cuz I really liked his character but he didn’t really fit into any of my teams. Thankfully he recently found his place on both ayato’s and heizou’s teams and is quite comfortable turning them both into fire benders with a decent shield on top

If only his burst cost 60 and his passive was 4.4% of HP as damage he would already be pretty decent (and replacing his atk scaling for ER would also be good)

I think Alhaitham may be huge for Thoma. May be coping but we don't have a dedicated burgeon 5 star yet, as Tighnari was clearly meant to synergize well with quicken/spread/aggravate, so maybe he will have a good synergy with Alhaitham for a burgeon team, or hell maybe even Nahida if she ends up being a dps not a support, although I doubt the latter

I had Thoma built as a sheilder but the INSTANT I got Zhongli I turned him into a DPS. Thoma is in my top 3 favorite characters and I just wanted to play as him more

the full quote is actually “a jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.” and tbh thoma's been pretty great for my account, I used to run zhongli with my very squishy klee but thoma's managed to free up my zhongli and provide the pyro resonance boost, so i get he isn't super popular but i do love playing with him hehe

I really don't know what Hoyoverse is thinking when they put Atk% as his ascension stats, they should have atleast put all in hp. It's like the 1st release of Zhongli where his shield is his bread and butter but decided to put geo damage as ascension stat.

Thoma has the best Polearm Attack Animation. Change My Mind

As someone who built their Thoma here are my thoughts: His shield is pretty tanky,I use him in the open world and pretty much does his job protecting my team most of the time.He is surprisingly fun with Heizou and Xq together,I mostly use him cuz he is one my favorite characters,overall he never makes it to the abyss because Diona replaces him easily My issues with Thoma: -He doesn't shield in coop, constellations dont include it (I am guessing it's because of the uptime of the shield but I would still prefer a shield in coop instead of nothing) -Energy issues which can be solved but it's kinda inconvenient imo(unless u have c4) -he eats hu Tao's vape -other units just easily replace him like Diona who can shield,heal and provide em,heck even a c4 Yanfei Even tho I love using Thoma ,as a unit he feels kinda overwhelming and hoyoverse srly did him dirty.With dendro reactions I can already see some potential but Thoma is still stuck at bottom

As someone who has built C6 Thoma to level 90 and thought the new hydro resonance would help him out a bit in the double hydro Hu Tao team, he still falls pretty far behind Zhongli. Zhongli's shred seems to be more effective than Thoma's C6 buff to normal and charged attacks. Shield strength is ok but obviously Zhongli is better. He's a great sub if you don't have Zhongli but if you do I guess he's just a pretty paper weight lol

Can you do a video on "Why no one plays Kaeya". I am genuinely curious as to why no one plays him, since he does his role of providing off-field cryo on the enemies pretty consistently with almost 100% uptime while dealing sizable damage.

We've found Thoma to work quite well with Yoimiya if you can get his energy up far enough. Since she can't take advantage of Vaporize as well, and since she'll be normal attacking constantly, Thoma's burst works quite well with her. He also provides Pyro resonance with her already. Our current team is Yoimiya/Xingqiu/Thoma/Electro Traveler, and works quite well. We'd be replacing Xingqiu with a more focused healer if we had one.

“Childe if instead of being a serial killer he was a house husband: Thoma” accurate.

I think that a the "problem" with Thoma is that Mihoyo made the characters follow an specific trend related to their element, therefore the Pyro characters have two choices: They have to be able todo A LOT of damage or dissapear. I thinks this is a general problem for every element that makes new characters with a new and often interesting mechanic fall into the abyss (and not the spiral abyss mind you). Its a real shame that characters with cool desings, unique personalities and interesting skills and mechanics simply dissapear because they dont follow the trend of their respective elements.

As a thoma main who's thoma is heavily invested it pains me that i see nobody play him. idc im still gonna play him bc he's fun and hot 😌

I definitely don't think Thoma will become meta BUT I'm really happy that he found a place in burgeon teams especially since we don't get much use of him anywhere else. I'm really happy my boi Thoma finally has a decent team where he feels needed and not just a substitute .

As a Thoma main since his release (only have c2 but that's cause it took me 210 pulls to get a single copy the first time) I can say that all these points are extremely valid. I really only play him for fun but I'm excited to see what will happen when we have better dendro supports for burgeon comps, like maybe nahida 👀

I think when a Cryo catalyst comes out, he will get more usage. It would allow for some good reverse melts and give good protection, since catalysts are generally squishy, exceptions being Kokomi and Barbara.

Use Thoma with Raiden in an Overload team. It works.

I wish hoyo would fix these characters so bad. But, that said, I've always been a Klee person and Thoma and her get along quite well for me. Klee is such a glass canon that I prefer a shield for her over Bennett, and using xingqiu/yelan/thoma with her is really fun and allows for so much vape. Though I love this team, I haven't found another use for my lv 90 Thoma outside of it...

I’ve been having a lot of fun with Thoma since i got his C4. Pretty good success running him with Yoimiya, XC and Yelan. The new hydro resonance kinda solved his issues for me. I can completely disregard his damage just focusing on ER and HP and he’s good to go. Gameplay is surprisingly fluid too (i find with ample ER, the rotation is pretty simple and comfortable - IMO) i have him at 30K HP and 200ER and have 100% shield uptime. Kinda wished he has a healing/energy kit instead of damage dealing tbh.

Two notes: Firstly, I seriously doubt that Thoma's Burgeon potential is through "sheer luck" - given the ICD benefit, the shield which guards against dendro core explosions, and his splash art weapon being the kitain cross spear (EM with an ER passive) it really seems like this is what they intended along. It's a little baffling why they released him so long before Dendro, but he fits the niche a little too well for it to feel like a coincidence to me. Second, I think in burgeon-specific comps his low damage output isn't a huge issue, as I believe burgeon damage is based on EM instead of personal damage. If Thoma's role is to trigger burgeon, then it seems like EM is all he really needs, plus ER to keep his burst active? Maybe not a perfect fix, but I think it makes him feel much more cohesive as a unit.

I was so hyped for thomas release. But after I found out his kit, I had no reason to build him. It wasn't until I pulled Kazuha, and 3.0 hit, that I finally had a reason to build him. I built him about 2 weeks ago. I mainly built him for Hu Tao VV, but also to try out burgeon teams with him.

thank you so much for making this seris! i love this!

As my 2 favorite characters in the game, I currently run a "reverse vape" team with Thoma and Yelan and honestly, I'm having a lot of fun with it. It's far from built, but I like exploring their synergy.

If you have C6 he’s pretty nice for Ayato, he increases normal attack and his shield cant be interrupted which is great if you’re trying to slash everything.

I love how the two vars videos I had watch recently have kingdom hearts songs in them. Also thoma does go well with KH Hand in hand

Good video explaining the character as always. The music seemed loud in relation to the voice over I could still hear you but the mix seemed off. I pulled a Thoma that I’ve never used because I forgot he can shield the pulled Zhong Li so the shield didn’t matter anymore

I just want to say, with 3.1 coming out I've been watching a lot of Genshin videos from other creators. There's really no better Genshin creator than you. You're the only one I chose to subscribe to. You just have really good content! I always look forward to when you release another video.

I feel like there's a lot about Thoma that people don't actually think about when they talk about him. Warning, I am a Thoma main and I tend to over-talk about him so this might be long lol OKAY so. Biggest one I think people miss is his C6. His kit is pretty meh in terms of what he can do before C6, but after that he can work in tandem with Benny to provide a good amount of atk boost, so long as you use NAs. Basically, each time his shield stacks, the active character gains a 15% atk bonus for 6s. With Thoma's burst, my Childe goes from 2,056 atk to 2,364 with one stack, and theoretically this could be boosted for another 15% before the first one times out for 2,718? Now maybe that's not ideal for replacing Xiangling in International but it's still nice. Now while that might not be useful, consider our favourite short king Xiao. Hopefully it's known that you can N1 cancel (N0.5) for a bit more damage between plunges. Fun fact though, the timing of Xiao's plunges means the icd on Thoma's burst is over, and N1 cancelling triggers Thoma's burst, meaning now Xiao does e v e n m o r e d a m a g e. And it's not like advising the use of a 4 star's C6 to make them useful is unheard of. Sara, Sucrose, and so on. Since 4 stars are a lot easier to C6, I don't see why it'd be unreasonable to say that. Furthermore, people look at Thoma's kit and think they're supposed to build him both as a subDPS and a shielder. NO, doing this means none of his kit does well. Pick one and he can do well. Shieldbot Thoma won't do damage, but he'll do a decent job of protecting your team (note that no, he doesn't do this better than other shielders, so really only do this if you need a second pyro and don't have tankfei or you just want him on your team, which is understandable I mean look at him). SubDPS Thoma won't shield your team super well since you'll likely be focusing on pyro dmg/atk more than hp, but at least he actually DOES something other than look cute which, to be fair, is his greatest skill. This is why I despise trial Thoma, which is where a lot of people will come to assume he's downright useless. Their Thoma is built for support, and kind of damage, but he's actual trash there and I hate it. Give the man bolide or millileth or crimson, ANYTHING else ffs bc aAUGH- (not to mention what they did to Childe. Seriously, just Kaeya? Excuse?) And yes, burgeon Thoma is actually really good. Pretty boy cause explosions! Orrrrr you could just take the uh, somewhat inadvisable route I did and make him a physical DPS because apparently I hate damage! Actually though, mine can do more than you think, and some of his artifacts are even still copium :) And he has 600 more atk than Childe? I use pyro resonance usually but still, wtf have I done- TL;DR Thoma actually good if you build and use him right thank you for coming to my tedtalk

ive been waiting for this one !! :DD i wrote a whole thing abt thoma's kit back in july (before dendro came out so i didn't factor that in) ill put it here in the comments before the video premieres for anyone who wants to read, its long and sorry for any possible inaccuracies ! (this is all coming from someone who has their thoma built as a sub dps btw) "first thing im gonna nitpick at is his skill, he's already put at a disadvantage for being a pyro shielder; pretty much every shielder is left to die if you already have zhongli if no other part of their kit is useful to you. for example diona is a shielder but her support capabilities outside of and including shielding are so useful which is why she's not completely disregarded in the meta. geo shielders like noelle are put above people like thoma because pyro shielders are most useful for absorbing pyro dmg, cryo shielders are most useful for absorbing cryo dmg etc but geo shields absorb damage equally of all elemental types. thoma's shield's duration also isn't too long and you're left with a ton of downtime, especially if you don't have his c2 which increases the duration. the thing however that sets thoma's shield apart from others is that when it's refreshed, the remaining strength that the previous shield had is added to the base strength of the new one, his shield stacks which if im not mistaken no other shielder has. for me, the biggest problem with his burst is its icd (internal cooldown) if his burst was just slightly modified so that it applied pyro in tandem with normal attacks in a similar way to xingqiu, he would be up there with xiangling for being able to easily proc pyro-based reactions (though,, maybe not because his e cooldown is a tad too long to be able to be integrated into a burst rotation team such as raiden national and there's no sacrificial polearm but i digress) his burst also has shield-like properties but only for pyro dmg ????? so it gives you the idea that you have a shield protecting you but then if you were to get hit with a strong attack that's not pyro it's probably gonna kill you. his constellations and passive talents do nothing to fix these problems - though even if they did that'd be bad game design because constellations aim to improve what's already there, not fix what's broken. his first passive grants the active character more shield strength when the shield is refreshed, but that means nothing when your shield is down for half the of its cooldown. his other combat-oriented passive increases his burst's dmg based on his hp but god if they just fixed the GODDAMN INTERNAL COOLDOWN HE WOULD WORK SO WELL WITH CHILDE IM IN SHAMBLES ABOUT THIS his c1 & c2 are alright about fixing some of the present issues, lowering the cooldown of his abilities if his teammates are attacked and slightly extending the duration of his shield but not enough to the point where he feels smooth to play. his c4 and c6 are also alright, but as mentioned earlier you shouldn't need constellations to make a character viable, even if they're a 4*. his c6 especially would be super helpful if he plays a support role in a team but that extra 15% dmg is just not worth it with the other problems in his kit. you're much better off playing somebody like xiangling, who is free anyway. so he's not great as a support, but his dps potential is also not great. his skill cooldown is too long to be able to make him a pyro dps and his burst would be viable if it worked well with melt or vaporize reactions but the GOD 👏 DAMN 👏 INTERNAL 👏 COOLDOWN 👏 Gets in the way of that. you can't have a good dps if you can't synergize reactions to enhance their dmg, this game's combat system is oriented around elements and the way they interact with each other. you could build him physical but nothing in his kit is meant to improve his normal atk dmg (maybe his c6 but even then it's aimed to improve his teammates dmg not his) so you'd just be taking on a challenge and not actually using the character as intended, because the way he's intended to be used doesn't work because of the problems in his kit, because he's a badly designed character. sure you could be able to hit 100k with his e but that contributes nothing to how well his kit is designed if he can't do much outside of that. if you build him a dps anyway because you love him, like me, you lose out on so much of his kit (like his hp scaling) because he's just not meant to be a dps, he's meant to be a support, BUT HE CANT BE PLAYED AS A SUPPORT BECAUSE HIS KIT IS BADLY DESIGNED!!!!! i think that's all i wanted to say but if you don't know what an icd is it's a cooldown built into elemental abilities that effects how often they can apply the element that their ability is geared towards. so if you apply hydro using an ability, you can't re-apply hydro until 1. you wait a few seconds 2. you attack (i think it's) 3 times? the reason xingqiu is able to continuously reapply hydro and work well in tandem with characters like hu tao, is because with each rain sword thing he hits the enemy 3 times, resetting the icd and being able to proc vaporize with every single one of hu tao's normal attacks. thoma only summons one burst of pyro dmg every second which is not enough to reset his icd until a couple of seconds later, making it so that he can't efficiently proc pyro-based reactions like xiangling can."

I just started building Thoma, so this will be helpful! :D

I’ve used Thoma in my every day team and in Spiral ever since I got him- he’s been super useful to stack HP on for shield, ER for constant burst use, and for amplifying my pyro main dps dmg w/ double pyro atk bonus and doing more pyro dmg with his burst. He’s been a comfort character of mine since I met him in storyline- I absolutely love his voice lines and character type, and I’m so so glad he’s doing pretty good in Sumeru with burgeon and other reactions with dendro! ^-^

Its really is sad tho, but he not really the only one who has this problem, but this just shows how Mihoyo just dont really care about some 4 stars, and just slap some random things in them without the consideration of what they really are supposed to have😔

I've been using my c6 thoma to support hu tao since forever, honestly he's a really solid shield + pyro resonance + dmg boost option for her. Note: I do also have zhongli, but hes normally used for my melt ganyu.

Love the idea of making a video where you talk about all the "why no one plays" characters and what element/weapon type would make them a lot more appealing without changing much else in their kit ^^

Tbh he is the character I really want to be my friend irl

If Thoma's burst of flames trigger every auto attack so allow it to do so bypass the ICD, it would not only make his low damage stronger since it would be hitting more often, but it would also allow him to be a good pyro applicator for a Hydro main DPS

Main factors would prob be icd, low dmg multipliers, being defensive for pyro, and cons are like a big upgrade for him esp c6

You should do a video or a short series on every character that would be better as a diff element and why

That travers town music in the background though 👌🏾

As someone who’s fully built Thoma since getting him at C6 on his initial release I think while yes his kit didn’t hit a lot of people definitely blow it out of the water. Thoma is there for shielding not damage so comparing him to Xiangling who is solely built for off-field dps, and seeing who does more damage just seems weird to me. Thoma has potential to be a great shielder but he comes with a lot of conditions like energy needs and on-field character compatibility. HYV definitely could’ve been a little more generous with some of his multipliers but I think they went to focus a little too much on his shielding since he really doesn’t offer much else beyond it apart from his C6 buff. Also the fact that there’s no sacrificial polearm really hurts his viability as well since Xingqiu has a similar energy issue but it’s compensated by his particle generation and the sacrificial sword. Sure Thoma has access to the fav lance but a sac polearm would’ve completely fixed him if his skill shielding also synergized with it. Also the lack of a synergistic artifact set really holds him back since Emblem or Crimson aren’t the best on him but also noblesse also isn’t the greatest. The new EM set is also in a similar case. I’ve found that there are mainly 3 ways to build him (sans main dps Thoma) and that’s 1. Shield bot, 2. Amplifying reaction dps, or 3. Transformative reaction dps. Shield bot is pretty self explanatory just build HP with enough ER to spam his burst but his ascension star being ATK just doesn’t work toward that. Amplifying reaction just build him with some EM, crit, and enough ER to spam his burst and his ascension stat works with this a little. Transformative just build EM and enough ER (plus level him up). Just looking at these options he’s kind of juggling a lot of potential stats and a lot of it is ER dependent which just locks a lot of his potential behind his burst. I have found some better success recently with Burgeon Thoma but still it’s like a lot of investment to make it work especially since you’re giving up his shielding completely to build full EM (and ER). I still play Thoma and I’ve crowned his skill and burst but he does leave a lot to be desired. Though I will say that I enjoy using him as my shielder and he’s my second go to shielder after Zhongli because if you do build him properly he can be a good shielder.

If thoma's shield strength and dmg scaled with em just like kuki it will have became a good burgeon enabler after we get a good dendro applicator

I'd actually love to see a video of like "what one change would be most effective at making this character meta useable", like changing Xinyan to a superconduct element or giving Thoma a sacrificial weapon so his shield stacks easier.

I love that you put KH theme music in the background

Kinda wish you mentioned how he also has pyro shield competition with tankfei

I use an EM build thoma since his application is delayed so he is almost always the one triggering the reaction. Before burgeon, I used him for overload.

15:01 I would say that Xinyan would benefit the most with the change in element as part of her kit is to deal physical damage and shred physical resistance, thus she could work with eula if she is electro as a physical resistance shredder and apply electro for superconduct, while also giving a shield (albeit somewhat weak) and deal some damage. Biggest issue would be to possibly rework her design to accommodate the change in element, which sucks for people who like her aesthetics and personality.

I'm a big Thoma enjoyer, and always appreciate it when people are fair to him in reviews of his kit. I agree with most that has been said here, TBH. He is clunky to build and use, and only feels like a "complete" character with constellations (a trend in our last few 4*s, sigh...) What got my attention was you mentioning other weapon type, which reminded me of when I was researching good builds for him. Back then, I remember lamenting that he couldn't use ANY weapon in the Sacrifical series (as polearm is the ONLY Sacrifical weapon that doesn't exist). I think it would've been amazing for his shield stacking to have an E reset, but idk. Not like I could try lmao. Thanks for the awesome video!

Can you do a video that shows whether yae miko has been more usable than when she was at launch? Like the usefulness of her turrets and aim system?

I built Thoma when I got his C6 for Hu Tao (benching Zhongli as VV Hu Tao had a higher damage ceiling) and he works pretty well! At 32k HP and 203 ER, I've 36*'ed the Spiral Abyss with him in a Hu Tao-Xingqiu-Thoma-Sucrose team. To me, his issues are less about the kit itself but the numbers behind the kit: 1. His base HP isn't too high 2. He ascends with ATK% 3. His particle generation is low and burst cost is high 4. He has a high E cooldown 5. His attack scalings are too low to warrant the ATK% ascension stat (and his A4 passive too) His standard ICD can be considered a flaw of his too, but the ICD allows him to work with Hu Tao and Yoimiya vape, and with no ICD they won't work with him but would work a lot better with others. If I could change one thing about the numbers of his kit to make him better, it would be changing his ascension stat to be ER% to help with his energy issues which he has pre-C4. With even more changes, I don't need to address the attack scalings as you'd want to incentivize building him as a shielder. Lowering the E cooldown could help with energy issues even if his particle generation remains low. His burst cost could be decreased to something more manageable, like 60, allowing his ascension stat to be HP% instead. His A4 passive could benefit his shield instead of the damage it deals too. Though I love Thoma and I'm glad to have his C6 to make him viable (thanks in part to the Kazuha banner), it isn't good that you'd need high cons on a character to make them viable. Mihoyo fumbled the bag when they decided on his numbers and it sucks that my favorite Genshin man isn't versatile and useful for many teams, essentially locking him to Hu Tao, Xingqiu, and Sucrose. It won't ever happen, but I hope he gets a buff in the future to make him more viable (heck, even a Sac polearm would help a ton! (and before you say "but what about Xiangling, she could have two Guobas", Mihoyo can easily just put a one-on-field-only restriction on Guoba like they do with Albedo's flower. Sacrificial weapons don't proc off field too. Catch is also just better for her in general.)

It would be cool to see a video on "Why No One Plays" characters on how you would change them (element/weapon type like you mentioned).

On the topic of Thoma having a different element, I think it'd be really amazing if characters could acquire a Delusion at some point, changing their element from the primary one to another but keeping the kit the exact same. Imagine something like a Pyro Ayaka or Electro Barbara. So many characters could have really interesting set-ups with an element change.

Important note: this video was made before 3.0, when Sumeru, Dendro and Burgeon became a thing. Post-3.0, I'd say Thoma's got a pretty good setup with Dendro and Burgeon. Granted, it's not the best since we need Dendro characters with faster off-field Dendro application, but if you want to play Thoma, there are teams that you can field that are really fun and strong. Also, Vars is still correct: Thoma's Pyro damage isn't that great, because Burgeon explosions are Dendro.

I'd like to use this opportunity to share my history with Thoma, my team was Rosaria, Beidou, Amber and Ayato, but even tho she was 80lvl nice artefacts and all that, i didn't use her because i don't like bow users, and the joke wa the only pyro characters mihoyo gave me was Diluc and Bennett at the time, i didn't like Diluc cus i got him instead of Raiden and i don't liked playing with Bennett that much, that was it until i got Thoma and Xinyan, i di not give 2 shit about the 2 of them, all i knew was that Xinyan had pyro shield and i didn't care enough, until one day me and my friend made an improvised roleplay (ignoring the game and character lore completely) so we kinda of did a really weird love story between Thoma and Bennett (we thought Bennett was 18) and we really liked that! we have our whole little AU which tottaly disregards the game's story when we want, and after the first roleplay i went - uh maybe i will use Thoma, just a little, and now i have him 80 lvl, and he became my second favorite character but most beloved one

I've been playing around with adding Thoma as the driver of a fridge comp with Diona, DMC and Xingqiu/Candace. He attacks fast enough to build up a lot of bloom before his pyro icd kicks in, and his small shields completely negates any self damage you might take. Super fun

I’d love to see a video on what you said at the end of this video: which characters would be better using different elements and why ?

Definitely NOT sheer luck that he fills the burgeon niche, he was practically designed for it His lord Ayato being an AOE hydro unit with fast application would benefit greatly from burgeon enablers Ayato also spams normals which time the pyro perfectly to only come out when hydro has produced blooms All characters except him and Yoi have either special ICDs (Diluc, Xinyan, XL, etc..) or intended bypasses built in (hutao, Yanfei), all of which would screw with bloom Defensive capabiility is also a lot more sense because burgeon deals a not insignificant amount of damage to the player This was 100% intentional and the only thing missing from thoma (passives and consts) would be EM scaling

Currently maining Thoma - I don't know what this video has to offer but I'm curious because he's been a staple of my team ever since I got him.

wttf thoma is a burgeon theme are u kidding me.. he is so good

New Episode 🥺 yay

Ok. At this point you are literally asking for backclash

nowadays Thoma is much better with Nahida Burgeon teams if you don't wanna use Benny boy for Burgeon. since his Pyro app is slower than Xiangling's. however he might fall off once Dehya arrives. idk if it will be true or not but leaks say she'll be a Burgeon Support Dps.

3:41 "-but oftentimes better than a master of one."

I'm kind of interested to see whether he'll work well with Nahida. By virtue of being a catalyst user, she should be fairly good at consistent Dendro application, so using her as an on-field driver for XQ and Thoma should be interesting

You clearly haven't seen people (even other content creators) use burgeon thoma teams, huh... one variant is called "Thomato" where you have ayato and dendro mc as the main bloom drivers while thoma (em build) procs burgeon + a flex slot. It's very competitive with hyperbloom teams in the abyss and has relatively fast clear time. Overall I'd say thoma has improved and has a bit more opportunities now just like kuki shinobu thanks to dendro.

I’m a day 1 Thoma main and knew what I signed up for when leaks of his kit came out, so I just focused mainly on his ER and HP with some ratio on his crits and he does good enough damage for me that I’m content since I never been the type to follow meta for any gacha games I play. I know he’s not the greatest, but he’s one of my favorites and never regretted triple crowning him. I just wish the fandom would just back off on their cruel jokes about him, but this is the Genshin community so…

I really enjoyed the video ! The series in general is so fun and resourceful . But the music is too loud it gets annoying and can make someone feel dizzy ? 😭 please lower the volume in next uploads

14:55 electro Ningguang would be kind of nutty with aggravate. 300k+ bursts followed by 100k c6 powered charge attacks. No video on her, sure, but still

As Haise once said, "what a disappointment"

I would argue that no one was really expecting him to be a really good off field dps, I personally expected him to be a very strong shielded and a decent elemental applicator but when he was released he was only a decent shielded and an awful elemental applicator. I was personally hoping he would be a better shielded for hu Tao teams or maybe an enabler for reverse melt teams for a character like Ayaka. But he does’t Apollyon nearly enough pyro for reverse melt and has just enough pyro application to completely screw over Hu Tao if you are running her with Xinque. Plus his low base HP and attack percent ascension are revolting.

i'm sure you made some really good points in this video, but all i could focus on was the gumship music. it's a jam. but it was also a tad too loud in this one IMO.

15:00 it would be a good thought experiment. you could have theory crafter friends also join in for a collab

People just assume characters are either top tier or trash based on face value and youtubers opinions , Thoma suffered the same exact thing that Kokomi and Kuki did , personally I never thought he was bad and I used him as a support on a team with Xiangling as Bennett was needed for another team, Thoma offered defence , energy for Xiang and pyro resonance leaving the other two slots to be much more flexible because of him, but I do agree he would probably be better with other element for better scalings.

Thoma, nooooooo :(

I absolutely love Thoma! Honestly one of my favorite characters in game. He with ayato, raiden and qiqi are my super team. Maxed them all out and I have a blast.

i love thoma and ive used him since he came out. what i saw mostly were people forgetting that you need to build stacks with his burst so they often compared his E shield to zhongli and diona, forgetting about his burst shields. as for me, hes excellent in hutao teams bc he allows me to swirl pyro for hutao. i also use him in my vape ayato team. ayato and hutao being my main dps means i actually wish i had two thomas sometimes. i also tried burgeon with him and it was super fun bc my maxed kitain cross spear (r5 lvl90) is actually good on him bc of its em secondart stat and energy passive. but thats just bc i love thoma and constantly find ways to use him. his ascension stat being atk and in general having a low base hp is just so rude of mhy.

A common misconception about Childe. He's not a serial killer, he just likes fighting, not killing. Diluc, though... that guy lures people into the winery to kill them so he's very very much a serial killer ♥

A video on how characters would change/work on other elements could be interesting. Like a Cryo or Electro Xinyan would be better as a Physical DPS/Support and even with characters that are not unpopular, like maybe a cryo Yae for freeze

in terms of burgeon comps, you would have to split scale him like xinyan where you focus on hp for shielding but less dmg, or em for more dmg but weaker shields. i think one of the reasons hyperbloom teams being more popular is because of how kuki has a passive that let's her heal with em, meaning she can still help keep everyone topped off while still providing dmg for the team. i think making his shield scale off em would've make him a much better sidegrade to xiangling. hell it may even replace her since she's my burgeon reactor

Been using him since day 1 as what he seemed to be made for: Shieldbot and VV setup for Hu Tao. With burgeon he's got his own thing going but he's always been a top option for specifically and only a Hu Tao VV team (and maybe yoimiya VV)

It would be interesting if you went back and went over which element and weapon type fit their play style better

my way of reworking him is to make him a pure pyro amplifier, I've also made some changes to his kit and cons 1. make his ascension to HP%, and decreases his attack for more raw HP 2. for his skill, I would get rid of his shield for more damage, (something like candace) and his damage will scale off his max HP 3. for his burst, he will make an area whenever the enemies are in it, they will be affected by pyro for every 0.5 seconds, the cooldown will get shorter when levelling (just like nilou, but his area is 5x bigger) 4. 1st passive: for every 500 points of his max HP, his ER will be increased by 1% respectively. with a maximum of 100% 2nd passive: for every 1000 points of his max HP, all party members will deal dmg bonus to the enemies affected by pyro by 1% respectively. with a max of 50% 5.c1: casting his burst will increase all party member's resistance to interruption c2: his skill and burst aoe will be increased by 1.5x c4: his hold skill damage will have the same cd as his tap damage c6: removes all ICDs that is related to pyro( for example, if xingqiu is dealing dmg to enemies, all of his attacks with deal vape dmg)

Im fooling around with Burgeoning reactions now, so fun

He seems pretty good with Wriothesley melt team, together with sunfire.

the gummi ship theme playing in the background took me by surprise

The kingdom hearts background music gives me life

I play Yanfei in general, and Hu Tao in Abyss, so much, I forget Xiangling and Bennet exists sometimes 😂. I feel whatever the meta is I haven't been taking note.

I've used Thoma A LOT in my Hu Tao team I needed something that shielded, applied pyro for swirl and well, his C6 is great for Hu Tao