Why NO ONE Plays: Lisa | Genshin Impact 

... just like a truck

Like a truck

like a steamroller

She’s the stereotypical mage type characters in movies. Nerfed with low speed just for being “magical” and to allow the boring melee characters in the movies shine brighter 😆

Imagine if she's a Pyro or Hydro or Cryo A vape or melt triggered from her 3 stacks hold ES would be so satisfying

The thing is that Mihoyo tends to waste constellations on design problems. Lisa could have a much better const. if her elemental skill was a little faster, this way she wouldn't need a shield to protect her while she's charging to attack.

Another thing: her high stamina waste is probably because she is pictured as lazy. Still, when we put it side to side with gameplay issues it brings, this characterization just isn't worth it.

@@heitorramos2671 Not really wasting constellations. They were designed to make people want to pull more for quality of life rather than strictly DPS (as the latter leads to power creep). I've heard it described as they're looking to sell you a fix to a problem that they intentionally created.

@@pyro226 Exactly

I disagree. I contributed some of the footage for the video (I played the Lisa EC comp in Spiral Abyss and Maguu Kenki and Signora) and I would like to say that as long as you have Xingqiu she will be fine. His rain swords have some properties of a shield but it isn’t exactly a shield. Additionally you can compensate largely for stamina issues with mainly using your ults to Iframe. In my experience playing her for this video I have not run into any stamina issues with her. This is partly due to me using her with Xingqiu meaning that if I use CAs instead of AAs it would be a dps loss. Also building stacks 2NAs followed by 1E resulted in better damage for me and no stamina consumption.

Kaeya would be op

@@chilairearts4238 yeah! I mean, the guy has a cryo shield in c3

@@call_Arapy C4* but yes very op

Of course they never will because MiHoYo hates free-to-plays

@@chilairearts4238 well, at least he'd be used. Now most people just use Rosaria or Diona instead

Just by having the 3 free characters as featured 4stars on the standard banner would already be so good since you can get a lot of free pulls from the bp, sakura tree, leveling characters, etc. If i had c6 lisa i would definitely build her just to try some nuke builds with that massive dmg multiplier she has

My personal theory, but I have a feeling that when we get second Mondstadt annual event, Ludi Harpastum, there will be similar to Lantern Rite thing of "chose your free Mondstadt 4*".

@@RolandLory would love that!

@@joey_f4ke238 yeah i think many players wait to try and build certain 4 stars until they have at least 4+ constellations to be worth it. can't build starters if so many of us aren't pulling on the standard banner and they're not even easy to get on standard like you said lol!

I am a Kaeya main(a f2p at that too)and I am Ar54 didn't even get him at C1 :( I got three limited 5 * characters,C1 Keqing and two 5 * weapons and yet I only got C1 Lisa,come on Mihoyo

It’s even harder to aim w/ a controller

@@zodiacsagittarius344 there is literally zero aim assist for controller, it's sad

THIS!

I have no bow character built Cuase im on mobile And I have like 6 Catalyst characters either built or in process of lvl 80 at least I may not find them so fun if I was playing on pc, but I adore them

I don't get what is so hard to aim on mobile? Since day one i looove bow characters. And no i don't find aiming is that torturing difficult. Yes it does take time to get used to it. But hey, it is not the end of the world. Just as we get used to the timing to skill and to dodge, with time, aiming will be a breeze. The only problem is, there r so many other characters that r good but doesn't need to aim,so most players gave up on aiming i supposed.

Favorite Starter pokemon xD

She's pretty and purple. That's all good she got lmao

Agreed I made her before I got another characters

Im ar 50, still grinding to get my characters to 80. Most of my arts is purple. And she is lvl 8. I stopped using her when I got Keqing at AR 5-10. Even if Ive tried Lisa many times, I still cant understand what her Ult and tactical is supposed to do.

Honestly you can use Lisa and Rosaria together with great results. Rose's crits hit hard and combo them with a hydro applicator and an Anemo healer. Mmm. Delicious dmg. High invest to make great but most of those characters are great to lvl. And using her is almost a must on a team with any form of physical dps.

That's what I do when I have both of them in my party too!

The Lisa-Yanfei combo is criminally underrated. It actually made Dragonspine bearable.

Casual...

@@cynnamonroll666 it's really not but ok

@@e554 yeah it's better to use melt or vaporize with Yan fei

That's funny, and clever!

If they’re close enough, kuki’s skill has done the same for me lol

Cool I will try this

@@zeosummers3984 how so?Prove it.Coz what he said applied to me as well while playing Lisa.Extremely clunky

@@jiyanmehta7250 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tgPBxdUDYRU.html

@@zeosummers3984 what the guy above said, where exactly is this not in-depth? enlighten us :)

@@mr.rumpartos3106 i dont get it, what does the vid have to do with the comment?

@@arashi302 it's a bot

Mihoyo and being nice don’t really go that well together

@@Yuuria_ with regards to how beautiful the game is, mechanics, updates and events every now and then plus you can actually acquire characters as long as you manage to plan your pulls, even without paying a single buck, mihoyo is quite decent or even above decent compared to other gacha games out there.

@@perfectprinting3021 Most of these things are quite irrelevant. All Gacha and Live Service games run events and have constant updates because that’s what keeps the game alive and going. As for the world what does that have to do with them being nice? Nothing, it’s one of the selling aspects of the game and that’s it. Generosity is an other thing entirely; they have been extremely stingy for over a year now, their community events have us doing them promotion so they can get more people to join the game, artists are rewarded for hours of their time (and free promotion for the game through their creations) with a laughable amount of Primos, their anniversary was an absolute joke, they seldom give players gifts, the game lacks critical features even after all this time and they hardly ever listen to feedback (Electro still sucks, Abyss keeps getting harder and harder with no incentives to play it and pretty much only whales can comfortably tackle it since it also often has rules that favor the latest released unit, some characters are atrocious to play, etc.). Also, you can get characters if you plan your pulls in pretty much all Gacha games, even those that don’t have a 100% pity they usually have Spark system so you can plan accordingly. I get loving Genshin and whatnot, I’ve been playing since Day 1, but some things are just undeniable. I enjoy the game and play it daily, building characters can be fun (if you exclude artifact RNG) but I’m not blind to all of the shortcomings. How the game is viewed by the outside, by the non-playing people, is a good indication of how the game really is and all the outside people I know that don’t play it only know about Genshin because of the Anniversary blunder, the Elon Musk stunt and the bad Aloy collaboration. One last thing is the fact that even when they listen they try to maximize their own interest; we asked for artifact rerolls and we literally got a system so bad that literally nobody uses it, weapon banner too hard? Well, you can save 240 pulls for that weapon you want now. Being nice doesn’t mean supporting the game since it’s what they’d do anyway given the fact that Genshin earns them Billions; being nice entails active listening to player feedback and concerns and good communication.. they do very little of all that. I joined the Arknights community after Genshin’s and they’re always hyped about something other than characters (which is all Genshin banks on), they have great Collaborations, they release music all the time, an anime is in the works, they have sick merch and they’ve just had a great anniversary event with tons of freebies and content. If only Genshin could be like that, instead all the craze that happens is always about the next character and only that; when I log into the game I’m done it 10 minutes, events included, due to how easy it is and then I’m back to waiting 2 more days until the next part releases. Went to a bit of a rant but yeah.. they can do much much better and I wish they did, the game has so much potential but since they know they can milk their players without going all out they settle for that and it’s a shame

@@Yuuria_ your comment deserve more likes. There are tons more issues but your comment highlight some of the most glaring issues with Genshin. I also appreciate the bit about loving the game but don’t be too blinded and not seeing said issues. It seems often people forget about these issues and have come to terms with it. Just a quick comment of mine.

@@eumeliaria7081 Thanks! I usually get labeled as a hater but I'm glad it didn't happen this time. I just truly believe that the game can be so much more, even the working shell we have right now is enough to have a good deal of fun but it's obvious to see that they aren't trying nearly as much as they can and it's mostry because the community is just down for whatever happens. The bar has been set so low that anything is fine for many people. This is the first time I've seen an overly loyal fanbase being a hindrance to a game's progression. On another note, today I rolled the Vortex Vanquisher so I'm extra sad LOL, it's beyond me how they reworked Zhongli due to popular demand but forgot to change his weapon accordingly so now the weapon isn't even good on him, the signature character; if only they fixed it but I don't really see them doing it. To conclude though, thank you for the kind comment, I really appreciate it! ^^

Yeah! That’s how I take down the oceanid birds Jandhfjfjfjr, no matter how much higher than me they fly, no floating enemy can escape the rage of my beautiful witch.

Yess i used this to fight ruin gaurds at the beginning of the game all the time

Emm...thats kinda the reason yae miko feels bad to play tho, it would be another handicap to lisa tbh

@@mariacancino95 yeah I made this comment before I realized how bad Yae was. Good in theory, very bad in practice

The rarity of Lisa's constellations and the fact that her c6 is the most busted thing on earth after Ganyu's makes me soooooo sad

I have C2 Lisa and man she is a good support if built well

she's never gonna have a spot on a banner bc she's a story character along with kaeya and amber

Just buy cons from the paimon shop ????

@@Synlo excuse me sir you high?

Bennett, Ayaka, Ganyu would work well with her I heard...

Actually, considering her E has AOE, she can get all 3 stacks if that happens while hitting two+ characters. Also, her Charged Attack is quite good.

agree but for me it's still considered long setup since you still have to trigger the long hold charge atk (and let's hope the enemies stay in her circle area and your Lisa isn't get too hurt during that process), plus her normal E stack isn't that consistent too because sometimes they just trigger 2 two stack instead of 3 , and sometimes even the near enemies not affected even if you use her as support she isn't that good considering she require 80 energy for her burst off field damage

Apply cryo, group with an anemo character, tap e Lisa, everybody's 3 stack, watch the world burn with held e.

@@enma9359 Thats why I use Amber and Xiangling for Lisa's support Amber provides distraction and enemies stay in field and attack bunny instead of Lisa and Xiangling for off field pyro to trigger overloads

Yeah, something like that would be quite nice, in situations where you are fighting really close targets you could deliver insane damage numbers with almost no charge time That combined with her c6 would make her a really nice nuke style sub dps

This is what made my attempts to play her end very quickly. I was shocked this wasn’t a thing with her

that's how I thought she would work the first time I saw her

everything about this comment is great

Kaeya and Lisa are my go to for oceanid aswell

I wish to one day find the will to roll for the beginner character constellations I'm trying to reach 1000 fates (I probably won't reach it but, I'll try and hopefully end up with something around the hundreds) so maybe I can make about 100 standard fates

@@formyagerestriction6708 1000?? That is a huge level of commitment and resistance. Props to you, hope you fulfill your goal!

@@moonawilks8240 I have wayyy too many characters and have ignored building them until now, so I have a lot of distractions

As a Ningguang main, I wouldn't say Ningguang is slow. Perhaps you aren't holding forward for animation canceling? The only time she or most other characters feel slow (aside from Lisa) is when the game is set to 30 fps, but then everything feels like it is chugging. Ningguang has like an 8s downtime of auto-attack after her skill, burst, skill attack chain, which may also make her feel slow (during that down time, spool up support and switch to sub-dps for a few hits or just Venti Vortex to make best use of Ningguang's small AOE on her auto-attack).

honestly if you dont cancel that is 100% true

@@pyro226 I hold forward on Ningguang and I still think she is the slowest and clunkiest of all Catalyst users, this coming from a Klee main

@@pyro226 animation canceling makes her perform better, yes, but she still FEELS slow. It’s not about actual dps, it’s about the way character feels. MHY probably wanted to make her look graceful and regal, and she does, it looks really nice, but it’s not really working when actually playing her.

@@bloody4558 I haven't played enough Klee, but Ningguang is definitely has better movement and attacking than Lisa. Ningguang's movement skill where charged attacks don't consume stamina and better homing gives her the edge on most catalyst users.

If you could abuse her c6 ability with klee swap ability, we could create instant overload and max stack just by switching.

@@wahyuwirawan727 I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but her C6 itself does not apply electro, only the skill stacks. You'd still need to either press E or Q on Lisa to overload.

You can overload and superconduct and best unit is Xiangling cause she can provide off field pyro and you can use Amber as support cause she can provide distraction so enemies can be in AOE while not attacking Lisa and having both of them provides pyro resonance :D Hope this helps! Btw I am also Lisa main

Im new to this game. Is she worth investing in? Looks cool to me

@@rastislavrutta9592 well she isn’t that good of a unit cuz her attacks are pretty slow and her kit is overall a lil bit clunky but if u have her c6 it literally negates all of this Even tho she is electro and blvlavla she has the second highest damage scaling in the game on her skill

It's also really inconsistent that those three are not put on banners since every player has them, but other free characters exist (Barbara, Xiangling, to an extent Noelle) that do get put on banners.

They should give the stars as rewards for completing their hangout storylines. That way while their free theres still an element of working for them. I understand not doing that for paid for characters but for free characters there should be a way to gain them same as traveler. It not only introduces the hangout mechanic but gives you an initial reason to actually do it. Iignored the hangouts for so long until i did them purely for the primos

Well she is preety much the first *released* character that actually powercreeped the whole game and since genshin players only cares about damage thats why they play her

@@raulfigas20 wasn't that Zhongli during his initial release? I remember people being pretty mad before he got buffed haha

@@raulfigas20 Yeah but everyone thought she was garbage until C2 during her banner.

@@Gxmwp They were mad because of how lackluster he felt and how he was marketed as a dps despite being a support character.

@@shidzenrekun lemme add on to this dps thingy. His supposed signature weapon is a 5 star ATK% Substat that stacks more ATK% with the passive. Vortex Vanquisher, it's quite eh compared to other 5* polearms but dang does it look good on him

Put her with xiangling , Kokomi and zhong li in abyss. She's deadly with Kokomi.

@@zkart8038 time to build lisa!

@@zkart8038 this my team but replace xiangling with Raiden. Perfected my rotations for them only recently

@@zkart8038 With 2p Glad and 2p Thunder?

@@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit. I put her on 4 oc thundering fury because her reaction damage gets really high if you got 300+ ele mastery on her dps build.

Wait...C6? How?

Have her at c5 myself and I agree wholeheardtedly :D

@@engweiminhi

Screenshots or didn't happen.

@@thewanderingartists how tf are you gonna post screenshot in youtube??

enter the meta is probably not gonna happen in the same way that characters like zhongli, ayaka, ganyu, raiden, hu tao, etc are in the meta. But being viable is very possible, similar to how noelle got a massive buff with itto’s weapon and artifsct set. Itto is still better, but noelle is also insane now.

@@larryxiang822 Funny enough based on my napkin math if you had enough primos to either draw Itto OR Redhorn and you had c6 Noelle you actually would've gotten a slightly bigger DPS boost from drawing Redhorn and putting it on Noelle. The difference is very slight (less than 5%) but I was still kinda surprised by it. Of course if you have both then Itto is way ahead.

@@larryxiang822 Talking about noelle she is hella underrated like she can heal, tank. shield and become a dps or sub dps and getting noelle's constellation is so easy she also appears in paimon's bargain. And of course Noelle wouldn't be as good as Itto is terms of dps cause she is a 4 star while Itto is Five star

@@amberbestdps2048 oh my that is some terrible logic "she is hella underrated like she can heal, tank. shield and become a dps or sub dps" do you even know what subdps means? Sub dps = dps from off field. Good luck getting significant dmg from noelle off field Healer? Barely. The heals arent just extremely low (cant even outheal corrosion in most scenarios) it's also inconsistent (50% per hit unless you're in burst). Oh, not only that, but you also need a stupid amount of field time for those small heals Shield? Ehh, kinda. The shield downtime makes it useless for anyone except noelle. The only way to play noelle is as main dps. And guess what? Her damage output isn't even average. "getting noelle's constellation is so easy" LMAO that's blatantly false. having 1 extra copy of noelle doesnt make the next 6 noelles "easy" "she also appears in paimon's bargain" No shit literally every 4 star appears there "of course Noelle wouldn't be as good as Itto is terms of dps cause she is a 4 star while Itto is Five star" At this point you should just let yourself out. That's stupid on so many levels. Itto's dps is far worse than xiangling's for example. Xiangling is a 4*. Some of the best characters in the game are 4 stars. Your point is just wrong yet again noelle isnt underrated, she just sucks.

"insane" yeah nah ttods is still a better option lmfao

yanfei's also just really clean to use, her charges are very smooth in comparison to other dps like ningguang or klee. and her constellations make her more comfortable to use but they don't feel necessary.

I agree that Klee is clunky (although there are ways to overcome it) but Klee's charged attack animation is literally an explosion? How does that not feel powerful?

@@timefortakeoff1447 It's more to do with the sound effects for me, cause Yanfei has a big like "BOOM" sound and Klee's is quieter and slower.

@@riottalisman4786 klee's visual effects look cooler for me though and the wayshe topples large enemies like lawlachurls too. I think people not liking catalysts has to do with the fact that Klee, despite being a dps cannot vape properly with xingqiu because of her over Pyro application and ningguangs burst jades and charged shots go into the ground/sky and don't hit the enemy properly. Yanfei, I don't think she has any problems or inconveniences except being stamina hungry at c0 but she's not broken by any means, shes fine. It also has to do with the scaling. None of the catalyst dps as of now have broken multipliers whereas every other weapon type has atleast one or more. I've seen so many people going for yae miko because she's said to be strong.

Yanfei is really cool but i feel like she's just too expensive for being a four star I have issues regarding her hp and she needs so much energy recharge and takes a lot of stamina for her charged attack rather than that she's pretty amazing i absolutely love her playstyle and she used to carry my team

10K per charged attack is not huge, even Amber can hit 10K easily. given Lisa has highest charged atk multiplier, you might wanna get your build reviewed by Lisa Mains discord/ subreddit

@@thelookofdisapproval8234 To be fair Amber can amplify and Lisa can not.

@@RuneKatashima I never said I was talking about Melt or Vape dmg. My amber hits 12k per headshot, with a 3* bow, with Vape she hits 17K to 25K, with Melt, she hits 29k to 32K Highest I've hit with her is about 73K+ with bennett and sucrose buffs

i have been maiming amber for a while (she’s slow af) and she does 10k per charged without buffs, so the free ones can be effective too lol

@@thelookofdisapproval8234 umm ok

Personally I like her in OW now that we have her Akademiya skin

What's hold E mean on mobile

​@@dontaskmeforusernamehold skill

thank you

She's actually from mondstadt (hence her name) but studied in sumeru when she became a grand mage. Im hoping they get buffs. Like kaeya from khanriah

She's probably going to have tons of deathflags just to lol nope everything anime protagonist style like Kazuha.

This is just my speculation but we'll see if Ayato Kamisato might benefit from Lisa depending on his kit.

@@ingenuitypulse6254 From the leaks it seems Ayato benefits from vape teams since he deals single instances of big hydro dmg, he’s not like Xingqiu, Childe, Kokomi or Mona who can constantly apply hydro so I doubt he’d benefit from possible taser comps

@@zodiacsagittarius344 Ah, thanks for the info.

Well... her burst is high cost and she reduces defence and she brings in a lot of energy. I tend to use her with my Raiden sometimes. I would say Lisa is Yae Miko with backwards skills and Yae works well with Shogun from what I've seen

Raiden is also one who benefits from Lisa TTDS Lisa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre C6 Sara

literally any normal attack can be animation cancelled ningguang's dps is pretty much single target yet still worse than even yoimiya's, unless you're talking about damage in like 5 seconds which is unrealistic regardless burst support? what? her burst has 0 support capabilities lmfao what are u on you mean burst dps? also, if "gets on main banners" is your argument for ningguang being good, you're just desperate.

I use Lisa I really like her and she is underrated :D

@Amber best dps never said she wasn't, just stated I wish her normal and charge attacks were a bit quicker. Her skill's concept is cool. Just wish it didn't CC her in place.

@@dkrise6738 No, I was just giving my opinion on Lisa that she is underrated

@e normally I wouldn't bite on an obvious troll but, what the hell I'm bored. 1) Ningguang + Prototype Amber turns her into burst support. Add the right artifacts and the fact her elemental skill blocks projectiles and she is a really solid support. (Builds available on youtube) Before you say bullshit, I use her in my mono Geo Itto team before I got c4 Gorou as a healer to counter rift hounds. 2) Animation canceling is not good game mechanics. It's a shitty way to bypass shitty designs 3) Ningguang's attacks after c1 or c2 become AOE allowing her to not be strictly a single target dps 4) Reliably getting constellations is what makes most 4☆ usable. Some people have spent $4k+ on this game without getting a single constellation for Lisa, Kaeya, or Amber. Ningguang showing up on banners makes it a million times easier to obtain constellations for her even as f2p. That's not desperation, that's just a fact.

Curious why the explosion matters? Wouldn't the stun from electro-charged work on mobs who don't have shields?

That's very true, that's what I sometimes do as well

@@ingenuitypulse6254 I dont really know tbh. sadly the stun from EC doesnt do anything for spreading stacks. it has to be an explosive reaction

Thanks. Very helpful.

Seconded, so far Lisa is one of my heaviest hitters, though my Diluc and Yoimiya are close. They'd probably be better than her if they had some better artifacts lol

@@kylestreet7641 Ayyo I have Yoi as the sub dps on my Lisa team 👁️👁️

Me too (i have to gloat that i just got her c2 :D) Lisa is such a perfect character for me, i love the playstyle, but the lack of damage is a little underwhelming.

Count me in.

Same, I have her as a sub dps with my Yanfei! She definitely has a few minor issues tho, I wanna see if any of my problems with her get mentioned

May you explain this more detail, please

@@user-pt6fb8zi6t They mean if you use the press version of her elemental skill it it triggers superconduct or overload, the AoE explosion of the reactions will apply one conductive stack on the enemies hit, so if you use it just 3 times that way she'll have max power damage for her held elemental skill.

Hah I have the same team in abyss except Kokomi instead of sucrose. In regular game I replace xiangling with yanfei.

that is a valid reason, just play for fun XD

Happy to see some play just for the hell of it. People get too much focused on meta that they lost sight of what a game's true purpose is

@@cherenmertens I'll try and make a vid just in case, sad I forgot to post most of the shenanigans I recorded in YT.

@@oienu It is a game to start with, it's best to find enjoyment in any form.

It's not powercreep if Yae's a more accessible 5-star

She’s a starter and yae is a limited 5*. The fuck are you even comparing them for?

When Raiden released they "randomly" decided to nerf Lisa's energy generation. They really just hate their own starters lol

I agree with the first part. Yae uses em for DMG bonus. The skills are reverse, Yae has really short range and Lisa's is a bit long, the cd also fit. But I genuinely think they are very different from each other, but I love them both and will use them together.

Yae’s kit is much more similar to Fischl, her skill drops turrets that do periodic, high electro damage, and her burst does high AoE electro damage that resummons 1 totem. Currently Lisa’s main competitor is actually Sara as a buffer in Raiden teams. Lisa with Thrilling Tales of Dragon Slayer’s is actually better than C0-5 Sara according to theorycrafting calculations, and is still competitive with C6 Sara. For a Raiden Hypercarry comp Lisa is actually one of the better choices, though TTDS definitely carries her.

Electro 4 set makes her hold E CD bascally 7s ngl

It doesn't add quadratic scaling. Just aoe scaling. Lisa will still do the same damage to each unit, she just does it to more units. Quadratic is when they do the same damage to each unit *per* each unit affected by it. Like if lisas hitting 5k Q ticks. Add a 2nd unit and shes hitting 5k still. Just on 2 units. Netting her 10k total damage and still doing the same damage to the original unit. Quadratic would be if she had 2 units so her 5k tick turned into 2 separate 5k ticks per unit. Making her do 10k to each of 2 units netting 20k total. Or 3 units each taking 5k 3 times, netting 15k to each of 3 units for 45k total damage. The reason swirl, childe, and ganyu get quadratic is cause they spawn AoE attacks onto individual enemies that can hit other enemies. Making each enemy take damage from the enemies around them effectively. one aoe anemo tick triggering swirl on 5 grouped enemies makes each enemy take 5 swirls. Not 5 different enemies taking one swirl each. In lisas case it just makes her pulses themselves do aoe damage practically. With a target cap. Is all. Which is still a massive bonus. the best she gets. But its not quadratic. Quadratic requires you to have an AoE that *spawns* more AoEs on a per target basis that can overlap onto enemies that are in the original aoe.

@@thatrashcan9993 It DOES add quadratic scaling, just remember that Electro reactions are AOE, her charged E skill allows you to immediately cause more EC or Overload reactions in a group of enemies in one single application than any other character could ever hope to match. Now, it is true that they have a limit to how many enemies can be affected by one single reactions and that is on of the many problems holding electro back.

@@thatrashcan9993 Her Q has a small AoE on each zap. Since with C4 you can get up to 3 discharges at the same time, if enemies are grouped it's quadratic scaling. It's worse than Ganyu's in several ways though. Edit: just to further prove my point, these are some quotes from Keqingmains' Theorycrafting Library: "Discharges from Lightning Rose have a small AoE on impact. In tight enemy groups, a lightning bolt can deal damage to multiple enemies at once." "In tight enemy groups, Plasma Eruption can quadratically increase the damage of Lightning Rose due to the AoE of each lightning bolt released." (When referring to C4) library.keqingmains.com/characters/electro/lisa

Agree and what sucks is her big dmg which is hold E has 16s cd, that’s already equivalent to a Q skill which others have stronger and rn w/ proper rotation most teams don’t suffer from energy issues. For comparison Raiden Q has 18s cd excluding electro infusion, outdamages Lisa’s E and batteries the whole team. Lisa’s hold E cd shouldn’t be that long

the video would just be, “have you seen him?!”

He is the second now after Kazuha

Fantastic Voyage 👍

Well.There is nothing much to analyze there.The answer is simple.Fantastic fucking voyage.Attack buff,healing,Pyro application,Energy recharge...he has it all.

@@jiyanmehta7250 yeah but there are newbies or idiots out there that refuse to read the character skills descriptions or stick to waifu>meta so much that i think it will be helpful to those people not us already experienced players 😂😂

Man I bow before you

@@ThoseFerrets May your Lisa constellations like the proverbial library books be returned to you on time. (u_u)

Luckyyy, I’m building her but I only have a C1 from the standard banner

Electro charged is easily the best reaction for damage on electro characters. And it provides decent CC cause it staggers a little.

Wait a minute. Superconduct is just one of the better reactions for supporting but the reaction itself benefits PhysicalDmg carries so someone like Lisa herself doesn't benefit from it. Electro-Charged & Overload are generally better for Electro units since majority of them are ranged/mid range.

Same problem. I have 2 Accounts and both Kaeya's have C0 ... 😕😭

@@Jil1807 the fact that I got two cons from rolling is absolutely nuts. lots of other kaeya mains are much less lucky ):

@@EStarstruck Haha I hope that more Kaeya Main get lucky :D

He's strong, basically cryo Xiangling... but Xiangling only really needs c4 and he needs c6... and yea his cons are extremely hard to get. My Kaeya is at c4 and I've been playing since release, so I'll have him at c6 in another year or whatever lol

literally any elemental dps + those supports would deal good damage lmfao

yep she’s pretty good in them from my experience. i run her with fischl, xingqiu, and kokomi and she does pretty damn well

raiden c2 ignore def... not def shred, just telling :v

@@ren_MY i know that why i said "it like a budget c2 raiden", mean it kinda a similar and downgrade version of raiden c2 but not exactly the same ofc. Different method but similar outcome, that why i said it was a budget version. The cool thing is Lisa def shred is still good combo with Raiden c2 Example: i don't know how dmg is calculate in genshin but this is how i see: - if an enemy have 100 def and Raiden c2 ignore 60% def that mean only 40 def of the enemy will be up against Raiden atk - if there is a char able to 60% def shred an enemy then the enemy only have 40 def left against an atk -> basically different method but similar outcome (ofc if the way they calculate dmg is different for both def shred and ignore then i would be wrong)

@@jakeail1995 ahhh I see... anyway thanks for the explanation!

tbh lisa works really well in builds with eula or razor since youre gonna be focusing on superconduct and she's both a great app but also an er and debuffer

@@jakeail1995 id say lisa is a tradeoff to raiden C2. Yeah its a smaller shred than her ignore, however it does apply to the entire teams damage, reactions included. Raidens only applies to her personal talent % damage. Also while Lisa shred is welcome on a C2 Raiden cause of course its nice extra, its actually less effective on her than other units. The reason defense shred is so good is cause it hits a part of the damage formula almost no one touches. Making it an almost straight gain with no diminishing returns. Raiden not only hits that part of the formula, she hits it in a way that its actually hit by diminishing returns even worse than if raiden had just shredded 60% instead of ignoring 60%. The math to show this is lets just use 1000 defense as an example for easy math. Lisa would shred that to 850 defense. Thats nice. Raiden would ignore the 1000 down to the point its basically 400 defense correct? Okay so if they both just shredded itd effectively be 250 defense theyre left with because 75% shred. However raiden ignores instead of shredding. So lisa shreds it down to 850 and then raiden ignores 60% of that because defense ignore applies after and reads whats currently on the enemy's "stat card" which would be the already shredded defense. The 850. And taking a % out of a smaller number naturally nets you a smaller amount removed. Raiden is effectively ignoring 510 of the 850 because thats 60% of 850. Meaning theyre at 310 defense to raiden's attacks instead of the 250. She already had them at basically 400. So its not nearly as much of a gain to raiden as it is to other characters cause raiden already ignoring defense. Making lisa effectively shred only 90 extra instead of the 150 she does for other units not including that its on a defense stat youre already ignoring most of. So shes doing less shred combined with that part of the formula already being at diminishing returns. Now, extra is still extra so its not like thats bad. But the shred just scales worse with a C2 raiden than it does with other units. Kinda like how bennett scales poorly with hu tao, noelle and itto. Raiden C2 puts def so far into diminishing returns on top of it stacking inverse multiplicatively that lisa's shred just doesnt do as much. For that same reason tho thrilling tales does alot for raiden especially at c2 while shred is still shred. Making lisa a great raiden support either way. Lisa is less a good C2 raiden support from shred being good and more because shes one of the only units that provides something else on top of thrilling tales, making her just automatically better than other tales users. And even moreso for a C0 raiden because then its a raw shred not affected by the diminishing returns and not shaving off of defense already being ignored.

Either that or they could have it work similarly to his Gravity Field. Have every third or fourth discharge that hits the target apply a stack of Conduction and when a discharge hits a target with full three stacks it triggers the stun. That would allow for her Burst to cut down on the wait time to really profit from her Violet Arc damage, while also making her C6 feel all the more powerful to reach by letting Rose immediately proc the stun to flow directly into Arc's channel. Obviously this would give her an incredibly strong damage output at C6, but with the general difficulty it takes to reach that I'd argue it's fair.

You're a gigachad. I want to do the same as well specially the entire roster of The Knights of Favonius. I've built Noelle, Albedo, and Sucrose so far. I really want to build Kaeya and Lisa too. Amber's last on the line 'cause I can't be bothered in that crimson domain. Don't have Eula and Klee unfortunately.

Why would you build amber? Jk, but you’ve made things difficult for yourself by going for everyone.

Hm? I see preference is your point even boarding on practicality but in the case of being DPS's I think it takes a heavy investment for some of them.

Having her E hold be a channeled ability like Anemo traveler would be fun

I really don’t think kaeya should be apart of this series but should make a video on him

@@toots9315 yes definitely agree! :]

Yeah Kaeya deserves a vid too. Noelle and yanfei got one even tho I’m pretty sure they see more use than kaeya

Hey at least it would be 16.67% chance to get Lisa on a purple and 33.34% if you lost the 50/50 on the purple first compared to the abysmal probably not even 1% on the standard banner purple.

Yeah if that's the case she's fucked. Hydro's best applier is xingqiu and mihoyo will never top that and piro has Bennett and Xiangling for appliers so it's a no go too.

@@cloudwalker9572 thank you for the optimism~😌