Why Nobody Plays Alternate Win Conditions 

My favorite alternate win condition back in the day is my opponent getting called by their mom

Ok, but if I heard someone at another table shout "ZEXAL FIELD!" I would run over even if I needed to concede the match I was in.

Short answer, modern duels end on turn 3.

0:55 Just so you know: Yugi's Grandpa was a goddamned card shark. If you look at his deck, a pattern rises up. His decks is made up of weak fodder monsters- something you only summon in defense position to stall for time. He has a lot of cards that wipe out the opponent's field or lets you take their built up monsters, all so the opponent can't fill their board and wipe him out. And he has stuff like pot of greed. The entire point of his deck is that he pretends to be some weak old man, lets you gloat with you high attack point monsters, and the entire time he is fishing for Exodia. There is a freakin' reason why he got into a betting match with the richest young sucker in town.

I might be mistaken but another reason Victory Dragon was banned was that some tournaments apparently ruled that if Victory Dragon was in your deck you could play game 3 even if you lost the first two games. Because if you resolve the effect of Victory Dragon in game 3 you can still technically win the match despite going 1-2. So it was annoying for adding extra games to a tournament that otherwise wouldn't need to be played.

In simple terms. Instant win decks are one trick ponies that if it fails, it catastrophically fails. The modern game has so many interruptions, floodgates, and negates that brings that catastrophic failure to life almost all of the time.

The funniest part about Venominaga is that you're probably gonna have so many reptiles in grave getting it out and doing standard reptile things you're gonna hit so hard with it you'll kill your opponent before you get the 3 Hyper Venom counters

Flying Elephant is such a weird and bizarre card that does not belong in the time and age it was released. In fact, you can tell from its extremely crude art that it's a very ancient card, and it turns out it is! It was featured in one of the first episodes from the anime as part of a flashback, used by Pegasus vs. Bandit Keith. The effect it has is reminiscent of that same battle. I don't know why they chose to release a card like that, with that effect adn that artwork in 2018, more than 15 years after it may have been useful in one way or another. I am a sucker for its artwork though.

Man, i got victory dragon from a shonen jump promo when i was a kid! Once i learned the distinction between a duel and a match, i kept trying to challenge friends to a match so i could make victory dragon work. I didn't really put it together that when you're playing casuals, the distinction doesn't matter.

Back when I used to play, I loved making decks with alternate win conditions. Final Countdown was BY FAR the most consistent.

Regarding Victory Dragon: In the OCG, conceding is not allowed entirely, making the Victory Dragon ban there absolutely legit

Well… it should be noted that Exodia is the reason why many Draw cards have so many restrictions - like being unable to use Draw effects, banishing from the deck, and other play restrictions more than anything else. For those who don’t know, before it came out in the TCG, the OCG actually had a Tier 0 Exodia format thanks to having all the pieces at 3 + 3 Pot of Greed, Graceful Charity, Sangan and Witch of the Black Forest which at the time didn’t have to be sent from the Field to the GY, just touch the GY to search. Generally it sounded like it was a lot of FTK’s to Exodia and it was insane.

Man it’s nice to see a classic Dzeeff style video after so long, don’t get me wrong I love duel videos but these explanation videos bring me back to the ol days.

Last turn reminds me of "Show and Tell" it's a magic the Gathering card that says: Each player may put an artifact, creature, enchantment, or land card from their hand onto the battlefield. It's not an instant and a bit more interactive. But in decks where you would play it you would use insanely expensive cards you intend to cheat out like this. It also has fun flavor text: At the academy, "show and tell" too often becomes "run and hide."

You know, the Jackpot 7 sounds like it could make an interesting bluff shield. As soon as your opponent becomes aware that they could instantly lose if they clear your magic/trap zone, they may become reluctant to do so. Probably more effective in casual play where players have less confidence though.

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conceding the game before dying to victory dragon is a hilarious out

If rise of the snake deity was a quick play spell it wouldnt be horrible. You could snake rain, viper rebirth the king, end phase viper rebirth destroys by effect and chain rise. It is still a 3 card combo but for an instant win con and fodder for queens revival effect in grave it would be a lot more playable.

I actually did win a duel with Disaster Leo years ago in YGOPro, but it was a slow matchup - usually that just wasn’t an option. The rank up magic card the deck hinged on is banned now for unrelated reasons, so it’s not really replicable now.

OCG victory dragon was much more powerful because opponents aren’t allowed to individually concede. It has to be an agreement. So this card is pretty nuts in no banlist tournaments there.

The best "Instant Win" cards are ones that have other things they can actually do like Ghostrick Angel of Mischief. Exodia got a bunch of support that helps you do things if you don't get to all 5 pieces in 1 turn, but unfortunately Deep Draw and combo plays using the pieces as fodder are more effective, despite still not doing enough. Destiny Board's support also helps out its win condition but clogs up your board to do it making it REALLY hard to do well with. And Last Turn is such a gigantic headache that it got banned just so they wouldn't have to prime judges on how it works, but it is probably close to viable at FORCING DRAWS at the very least, something like Lady can allow you to trigger Big Welcome from GY to get an opponent's monster off the field on top of being a 3k beater that can get another random monster off the field to win if necessary.

After all these years I finally know what Victory Dragon’s effect means 😅

I had a sick deck back in the day based on Final Countdown/Lava Golem and keeping 3 Labyrinth Walls on the field whenever possible

Ghostrick Angel of Mischeif imo has the most competitive style of win con. So it could potentially be a top Deck.

Out of all these, Final Countdown is probably the easiest to win with provided you can draw the card early enough. If there's a way to give your opponent one of your set spell/trap cards, Relay Soul could be absolutely devastating though.

Victory Dragon has the same issue and Mindslaver effects in magic the gathering. Mind Slaver lets you take over your opponent's turn, but while they have the turn they can look at your sideboard because they get any information you have access to. Which means most opponents forfeit on if they don't want their sideboard options spied on.

Real ones know this was uploaded yesterday

very interesting and informative video, thank you! i for one still use a few decks with alternate win methods and some are pretty fun, like a jackpot 7 deck or a meme thorn mail deck (someone attacks me and hurts themselves) always interesting to learn more about a game i loved growing up and still love. great job on the video!

Would have been fun to mention how Exodia was tier 0 and invented the Limited and Semi-Limited List in 1999 OCG because everyone ran 3 pog 3 graceful and Sangan had a misprint that allowed it to activate when sent from hand, and also that the first distribution of the exodia head caused the Tokyo Dome Riot of 1999.

11:25 12:48 Leo and Disaster Leo in the anime had better protections and better wins conditions. Leo: "Cannot be destroyed by battle, except with a "Number" monster. Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card. If this card has detached all of its Xyz Materials by its own effect, you win the Duel." Disaster Leo: "Cannot be destroyed by battle except with "Number" monsters. This card is unaffected by other monster effects. If this card is Xyz Summoned by Ranking Up "Number 88: Gimmick Puppet of Leo", it gains these effects. ● Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; inflict 4000 damage to your opponent. At the end of the turn, if this card has no Xyz Materials, you win the Duel."

1:50 Exodia was Tier 0 in the OCG in 1999, that should at least be mentioned

Runick deckout (and even Janemba deckout in DBS TCG) demonstrate what's needed for alternate win conditions to be good. The deck needs to be good regardless of it, and the alternate win condition game plan also kinda needs to come at no cost to the normal game plan. In One Piece TCG we now have a deck that decks itself out to win, but it's bad because it doesn't have a normal game plan, mostly only the deckout plan, and even if you try a normal game plan, your deckout plan comes at a very large cost to it.

Ah, reuploading to get that coveted MBT onstream reaction, eh?

Number iC1000 looks like a fan card we all made as 10 year olds. Its a rank 13 that has 10000 attack. That's like every little kid's custom card lol.

This video was a lot of fun, thanks for comprising these cards!

Wait, I watched this before it was taken down yesterday, I noticed you fixed the Jackpot 7 segment to have the Dark Scorpion Burglars combo instead of the Cliff one 🧐

On Venominaga, the first release of the card, "Rise of the Snake Deity" had text that said you could summon Venominaga if Venominon was "Destroyed" I don't think it was intended to work that way, the OCG probably had it correct, but later on we got the correct text. If it was an errata, that's cruel, lol.

The answer to the title questions is obvious but it doesn't matter, I still love to see new dzeeff content 😅

Instant Win card is usually in a side deck when you already what the opponent is playing. Just draw Duster or Droll, then depending on the match up, you can instant win with that.

As an MTG player who loves alternate wincons except for the too many times Thoracle steals games, this is wild to me.

My grandfather's deck has no pathetic cards!

Last Turn is actually a thing in goat. It's quite easy to manipulate your lp and stop/stun your opponent. Also if it doesn't go well, then just push the self destruction button and just try it again. Also you could simply fix the original concept of Last Turn by printing on it 'negate all card effects in the gy and on the field also other cards or effects cannot be activated for the rest of this duel'. Well then still there would be the problem with monsters that are unaffected by cardeffects.

It is a god damned crime that we don't get to play with funko pop exodia in TCG regions

Angel of Mischief is the card I used to get the alternate wincon and ftk mission done in master duel Just play a normal lyrilusc tri-brigade deck and add kinka byo, angel of mischief and reprodocus to it If you have the ftk (around 50% of the time) you do it if you don't or your opponent have a hand-trap you just play normally and make utopic draco future + nightingale and Robin It just add a free ftk to an already good deck without having to play bricks in the main deck

It's been a while since I watched this channel. This looks pretty good

No lie that legendary defender exodia world slip into my old Duston/goblin Kinng deck so easily. Used to flood the opponents field with 0/0 fiends

The F.A. win condition was something I really tried to accomplish for so long, but I never managed to pull it off against any remotely competent deck. Shame.

Angel of mischief saw play in 2021 as small ftk option in bird up decks. It even topped a Germal regional.

Back in my day, the only thing that could stop instant-win strategies was dino beatdown. Those darn Mirror forces and Swords of Revealing Light... Oh, my hip...

Ghostrick Angel of Mischief also works with Ghostrick Renovation! With ‘perfect’ conditions. You can summon Mischief(3), attach 1(4), renovate it, and then summon a second mischief(6), mischief effect(7) and then finally shot for number 8. Leaving mischief holding 8 materials, in a single turn.

Destiny Board will forever be my favourite alternate win condition. It's just so cool

I have Final Countdown. I love an alternate win condition, and Exodia and Destiny Board both have a collection problem. I am still missing a couple of both, two decades later.

Im always down for some classic Dzeeff content!

i play only final countdown decks for years already ... there is nothing as fun as watching your opponent try to breach but just cant and u arent even swetting .. just waiting for the time to be up for him .. lovely

Well to be fair the last defender exodia was literally only made to mimic the anime events in which it attempted to destroy Zorc (a dark fiend) which futher solidifies the card’s shittiness because it failed to do so

They're very difficult to balance. They're likely to either be powerful enough to be banned in competive play, or niche enough never to see competitive play.

I can't hear you say "Venominom" without the Muppet''s theme tune playing in my head.

I'm glad someone finally explained Last Turn's ability to be activated with Jowgen on the field to me (it's still stupid and doesn't make sense, but at least I know now it has a "Special Ruling" 🙄). I was really upset when I was told I couldn't Card Destruction or Disturbance Strategy while I controlled Protector of the Sanctuary after I thought I came up with the ultimate combo 😅 so Last Turn + Jowgen seemed like it would fall under the same ruling, and would never work.

At 16:45, The video mentions "Number F0: Utopic Draco Future" which uses XYZ attached material to gain control of opponent monsters that tried to activate their effect.

In MtG, instant win cards are much more bearable. They sometimes play alongside your game plan. For example, Test of Endurance is a must-have for life gain decks and with cards like Scavenging Ooze and Weather the Storm, you're already guaranteed to reach that much of a life total. Revel in Riches synergizes with treasure decks, and Hellkite Tyrant boils down to playing so many cheap artifact spells while also hating on your opponent's artifact decks. Then, you have Thassa's Oracle just screwing around with mill decks (for your benefit).

As hilariously bonkers as Yugioh is, I have to give them credit for getting this right. Magic The Gathering didn't maintain the default win condition as the easiest way to win, and that creates a few problems. (At least in Commander format the easiest way to win by far is to deck yourself out and use one of the cards that causes you to win instead of losing from this)

Last Turn Deck where played VERY much during early ygo since you basically hadn't much out to the deck and getting low LP was easy enough with "Inspection" that let you pay 500 lp during the Standby Phase of your opponement to lock at one of your opponements cards in hand.

Destiny Board with Dark/Curse Necrofear is a fun deck. So was Jeff's Exodia (before Konami baned Isod). On master duel people don't expect these decks and with Maxx C at 2, it's pretty easy to pull off.

Video so good it had to be uploaded twice

I STILL remember getting Last Turn AND Final Countdown more than 10 years ago and being SO confused at wtf they were saying so i never used it. It looks cool tho

One more interesting oddity about Victory Dragon is that it could actually win you a match where you are behind 0-2. Its effect gave you a legitimate reason to insist on having that third duel, when under normal circumstances a match would always be concluded after one player has won two rounds.

I really wish we got a venominaga retrain that was easier to summon and kept the protection and revival but lost the win condition

the thing about alternate win conditions is they have so many requirements for the win condition.

With the Ghostrick Angel of Mischief combo(since I really like these cards), I'd figure I'd mention another card they have to get that counter. You use 'Ghostrick or Treat' which allows you to XYZ summon another Ghostrick XYZ. Since all Ghostricks XYZs can be turned into Angel, two of your material can be also be Angel.

Final countdown as an mtg card would be interesting. It would probably be a seperate mechanic on the card that keeps track of the turns like suspend. It would probably read as so. Suspend 10, as an additional cost to suspend this card, pay life. You win the game.

Exodia has a fusion form now, which means that you can now search the deck for individual pieces via Fusion Reserve.

I remember getting just enough interest in Yu-Gi-Oh to look into the cards and stuff (despite not really having anyone to play with, didn’t think that far). So, deep enough interest that I knew about Exodia. And then the basic rule set that came with my cards pretty much said Exodia in its entirety was super banned.

Danger exodia is fun because you can go into backup combo lines that can end on a few interrupts

If I remember you can actually FTK with Angel of Mischief using Lyrilusc deck. There is a combo that do it consistently as long your opponent doesn't have hand traps. Also it can still do their regular Lyrilusc combos. However if you add the FTK package, the deck will be more inconsistent than a regular Lyrilusc deck.

As an mtg and yugioh player, i love telling my mtg friends how crazy some of the rulings on the cards are in comparison

For exodia just one card "Heart Of The Underdog" and run a bunch of vanilla monsters

Last Turn with Illusion monsters would be funny.

Haven’t had one of these style of videos pop up in a minute 🙏🏾

"Exodia, Obliterate", Grian said calmly. _Smallishbeans was smited by Exodia_ _Grian was smited by Exodia_ _xBCrafted was smited by Exodia_ _Keralis1 was launched into orbit by Exodia_

I feel like it is hard to make a alt win condition card that isn't so inconsistent that it is unplayable but not so consistent that it is banned.

18:33 I got a 3 copies of this card when I started playing F.A. Monsters. It has a purpose in the deck because it counts as an F.A. Spell card to increase the level of the monsters. The biggest problem is that it's symbiotic. If all the F.A. monsters are destroyed, then this card will be vulnerable to be destroyed. It can also be removed from the field from non destruction effects that just sends the card s to the graveyard. So if any one plays this card on the field, they will have to at least have 3 cards in the hand, field, or GY ready and stall for the next 3 turns. 20:08 The biggest problem with this card is that unless you give an opponent a Dark Fiend monster or turn all the monsters on the field into Dark fiend monsters, it's a huge beatstick with no protection. The only way you can successfully pull that off is to activate the field spell Lair of Darkness and use any cards that actually tributes monsters on the field. Then, you have to just have Exodia Defender to destroy 1 Dark Fiend Monster. You don't have to do any damage. You just have to take it down. 20:34 Oh, I hate this fu-king card! This card is a beech! If you can't find a way to take it down on the turn you have to attack it, then you lose the game. 22:43 How in the hell? Moving it left to right? I get that, but how in the world can you move this card clockwise?

The numeron boss of ic1000 does not require an opponents card eff to pop sunya to use chaos ritual. So the most common one i see is make sunya banish and pass the use battle fader or threatening roar so you cant be otkd then on your turn bring back sunya and pop with aruha eff. Send chaos to grave and your off to the races. Pity it dont work that often but when it does.you feel great

I run Vennominaga as an option in my Alien deck in Edison format. Reptile decks are really good at summoning 0 attack monsters with damage=reptile and have lots of cards that let you destroy reptiles for certain effects. It's fun enough when it all comes together that I don't feel like it's a waste to run one vennominaga and one rise in my deck

last turn sounds like a duel in smashup, very interesting mechanic

Last turn and a way to stop your opponents from special summoning is still my favorite alt win condition

0:27 I love how this wording of Exodia says you "CAN" declare victory with Exodia, implying you can get them all in hand and choose to keep the duel going. Or not declare victory until later in the game. (Before anyone comments I have no clue how this was actually ruled)

In a casual tournament I was part of, Victory Dragon got banned bc someone playing a Victory Dragon deck argued that they should be allowed to play the third game in the match despite losing 2-0 because they could still win the whole match if they got a direct attack win with it (as rules of the card trump rules of the game).

I never thought I'd see the day that Exodia wins YCS! as an og player from 02 this has bern my dream to see!

On Relay Soul, you could combo it with Mystical Rampannel force your opponent to SS a Mon, then blow it up for game

pro winstons 2012 exodia worlds appearance was legendary

I mean, I run it in my numeron deck, it rarely comes up, but the deck has space for it and when it does come up it is super satisfying

Mentionable if you did go through the effect to summon venominaga, you are more likely to win through battle than the win condition

Okay I'm not gonna lie, when ezodia guardian mentioned that specific win condition of "must destroy a dark fiend monster" my brain went straight to plunder token off fjord, there ya go. Special summon gold hair from hand, discarding white beard not using effect, follow up with special blue beard from hand, not special plunder locked, make fjord. Fjord does its thing putting a dark plunder token on board. Proceed to fill up board with other special summons to use as tribute, tribute summon EG, attack for game.

Re last turn rulings: Coming from magic and knowing very little about yuhioh, the card makes perfect sense

When I was in high-school my mums friend dumped all their old cards on me. I had a field day with it making a deck built around final countdown. I even added my own gimmick because it was near unbeatable by my friends. The gimmick being that I have to somehow get 20 counters onto it before the song the final countdown by Europe finishes

Old Dzeeff videos are back!!!!!!!!

We already have alternate win-condition at home. Alternate win-con at home: setup onmi-negate more than number of cards in enemy hand.

They say an average yugioh game is 2-5 turns so that would explain why.

i feel like using a deck with true exodia designed specifically to make your opponent win would be the funniest deck you can make

Exodia Dark Defender could work with that fiend structure deck from a few years ago if I recall correctly