Boris because the awd one has a better engine. You cant change two variables when conducting a test ie. if you want to know the two extra drive wheels effect on acceleration then you cant have an upgraded engine between them.
A test to a speed from a starting point to then once speed is hit braking until a stop is a far more informative test. Might just be me but the black car looks like it's already off the gas before the breaking point also.
@@LETHALF90 Not necesserily. Good (best appropriate for the conditions) tires is such a huge factor - that they might cancel out any other advantages (xDrive, larger engine) that the car has. Sometimes the larger engine will even be disadvantagous in low-grip conditions - first, there's more mass - second, more importantly - more power and torque will simply mean the traction is lost more readily - and when the torque is applied again (TCS), it's lost immediately, compared to a smaller powerplant. Overall - not a perfect video - but a decent one giving you just another bit of knowledge about how much the right equipment means in any existing conditions.
The xdrive was stopping on fresh snow and the rwd was stopping on that same snow after it had been driven on and cleared. What is the point of the tests without the same circumstances?
When we had heavy snow last here in the UK, the majority of rear wheel drive car drivers had difficulty in pulling away from junctions or getting up inclines, not many of them managed to get up enough speed to try a braking test. Even a lot of AWD and 4WD drivers struggled. Snow tyres or even all seasons would have helped.
Entertaining video. An issue I have with the results are that the 335 will build up more speed in the space you had to accelerate and this by itself would increase stopping distances. But moral of the story AWD can help you get moving but does not help you stop.
I actually love "amateur" infotainment like this. Even though the conclusion was kinda wonky it was still fun to watch & really well produced; unlike most youtube videos.
you can knock them but they are actually correct. My 2011 328XI 2009 328XI and even my current F30 (2013 335XI) all have had all season tires in the snow all have sucked and slid and been a nightmare. The BMW that has ripped through snow like a beast was my RWD BMW 228i M-Sport with snow tires, that thing was a monster. Next year those snows (sitting in my garage) are going on my 335xi so i can see how they compare. I expect it will be a massive improvement.
great video. really shows how much of a difference snow tires make when stopping in winter conditions. I thought getting an xDrive e90 would make a huge difference from my rwd mustang i previously owned (which it definitely does) but this proves that the tires you use make more of a difference than the drive-train you have. i cant afford to buy a set for this winter, but next year im definitely buying a set of snow tires before winter
False. Put good tires on an awd. Here by Big Bear, on hills and ice, rwd get stuck. This video is cute and all on a flat surface, but even non winter tires, my Subaru does 100x better than my bmw. Also, the theory you mention would fail on rwd trucks. No matter what tires you have on a truck, you aren’t making a hairpin turn on an incline. 4x4 and awd serves a purpose.
@@mattyee9369 Funny how I've driven RWD cars here in Norway for several years without issues and I live up a BRUTAL hill and drive up small mountains most days, currently driving an F20 1-series and it's extremely good in slippery conditions, which we've had a lot of this winter. It's obviously got its limits and a 4wd would be better but don't discount a good RWD car with good tires.
Honestly there wasn't much snow left in the places the black car was stopping at after the white car was done. I guess try another snow test with both cars going at the same time. I had a 06 330xi and it did well in the snow, I never got stuck or anything.
Mario I agree with Jd. If you have driven on snow with shitty tires, it doesnt matter if there is half an inch or three, you will slide. My friend has the exact same car as me and even with his half worn winter tires, he cant brake or accelerate as fast as I do with my 1/4 worn winter tires. Unbelievable how much it affects the driving
Snow tires make all the difference. I saw a brand new volvo XC90 get stuck in the ski parking lot last week, AWD, but no snow tires. Love my michelin xi3 tires -- worth every penny -- and on my Subaru -- bullet proof in the snow. This coming from a guy who has owned a 745LI, leased a 535i, and owned a 335i -- though I love to go to the mountains so much the subaru + snow tires just made more sense for me personally. Even 335i with xDrive + snow tires, the ground clearance is low enough that some scenarios its easy to become stuck when you are driving through deep snow. I appreciate the effort you put into the video.
Nicely done video! Winter tires is one of the single best things you can install on vehicles in areas with bad weather. You still need commonsense driving sills though, snow tires just gives you better performance in bad driving conditions.
I traded in a 12 Jeep Grand Cherokee srt 392 for a 14 f10 M5 cp as a daily and waiting for snow to hit for a little testing of my own. The Jeep had all seasons and as far as forward acceleration the traction was basically like being on dry pavement in up to 4-5 inches. Stopping was a different case all together. Very long skids in some instances. I drove it for 4 years in southern Indiana. We usually see about 3 or four inches several times a year that could last for a week or more but have seen over a foot in the past. Seeing that I have to drive daily to work regardless of the weather if I want to stay employed I have to be prepared for all conditions when it comes to a vehicle. For that reason I have purchased and installed Yokohama blue earth winter tires. I think stopping distance is part of the equation, and acceleration and stability in corners and driving on the expressway will be useful tests as well. Summer performance tires are a blast in warm weather but useless in snow. Winter tires are hopefully adequate. Those who have used them say they are superior in winter months and in the snow.
You didn't mention which car had which type of tires. The video was more of a comparison of rear wheel drive vs xDrive. Side note: Your headlights look brighter but his fog light look brighter. Either way nice video and I love those aerial shots!!!
At what time in the video? I've watch it twice and I heard traction control on, DTC on, traction control off, xDrive, rear wheel drive, All systems on but nothing about which car has which tires. Also I didn't see the thumbnail because I just clicked on the notification and the pic is so small on it on a phone.
Blade's correct. That and you didn't mention what type of all seasons or what type of snow tire they were. Some crap all season like sumitomo lsw that would be some shit in snow (I experienced that myself when everyone was driving over an icy ramp in my friend's yard and I was struggling and they all had all seasons.) vs a dws06 OR as3+ all season. Sure they won't hold a candle to a dedicated winter tire but even amongst winter tires there's shit winter tire and good ones and you can tell the differences usually.
I have driven a honda civic without winter tires and its definitely not fun. Takes a while to get going from a stop in deep snow, there are some days I will definitely not drive because I know I'd get stuck. With winter tires its a totally different story, I can drive in anything.
'xdrive' not 'xstop'...makes sense...w/o any times or measurements and a corse that changed w/every pass, it's hard to get a good sense/feel of what's happening...but agree good winter tires are best for snow/winter no matter what car/truck you drive
when you mentioned DTC on, when the DTC light is on, it doesn't mean that it has more traction for the snow tho, its for sporty driving condition which lets the traction control to come on less.
Europeans should note that US all season tyres are different to the Euro spec all season tyres. The US all season tyres have the same rubber compound as their summer tyres so will harden up and lose performance below 3 degrees (manufacturers claim 7 degrees). Euro spec all season tyres have a different high silica compound rubber which stays "soft" in the lower temperatures, the same as the winter tyres in the US and Europe. US all season tyres could more accurately be described as 3 season tyres.
they are even quite good around below zero, but the problem is the snow sticks in the pattern and then you are los, so lost .... 4WD and electronic can simulate some grip, but for breaking you better throw the anchor then ;) and of course, ice grip is poor(er)
@@rabautios Thanks for reading the post Ralph. Winter tyres are designed to hold the snow in the tread pattern as surprisingly snow on snow grip is quite good. In addition they have a lot of small cuts in the rubber blocks (sipes) which help the mechanical grip you are referring to. The trouble with ice is that when the rubber hardens up it's like a hockey puck, it just slides. The softer compound pushes into the uneven surface of the ice and gives mechanical grip. Smooth ice need studded tyres to offer any grip. Really, I want a tank, for safety reasons of course.
I liked the drifting at the end. My bmw is rear wheel drive and I don’t appreciate it enough. I should have more driving fun with it than I do. But I’m a girl and we don’t get a lot of snow so I’m more terrified than anything. Thanks for the video.
If my assumption is right and this is a stopping test more than acceleration. Then wouldn’t ABS play a bigger factor in stopping performance than traction control being on and off? Based off of my knowledge of TC, it limits throttle or brakes certain wheels on slippage usually under acceleration.
To be fair while the black car looks to have less snow under it, all season vs winters has been done countless times before and winter/snow tyres always come out on top in snow. Obviously. All seasons are better than summer and are an OK compromise of you can fit proper winters but they still won't be very good.
I really like the drone footage, but you should do the testing with more scientific rigor. Use a clean section of snow each time, have a simple drag race to compare acceleration. When you're testing the braking, have the same initial speed. Did I mention clean snow each time? Love the video though!
I suspect this is an argument that has had its day given that several manufacturers (eg. Michelin with their Cross Climate range) are able to produce an all-season tyre that achieves the EU 3PMSF certification needed to be legally accepted as a winter tyre in, for example, Germany where it is an offence not to have winter tyres fitted under certain conditions.
Interesting video, I recently got into a small accident because i was driving in the snow with my summer tires on so i went ahead and got all seasons but i didnt know winter tires and all seasons would have a big difference as well
Should be noted winter tires are only effective in heavy, heavy conditions. If you live where inclement weather comes and goes, be weary your stopping distance in dry or wet conditions will be increased over summer or all-season tires!
JD Cars that shows that x drive is effective because you found out that winter tyres are more effective than all season tyres with both cars being basically equal as for braking x drive has no effect if the acceleration was almost the same that would show that x drive improved the performance to match the car with winter tyres
Well all season tires are made for cold and normal weather, not for very cold, snowy or very hot weather. So if annual mileage on a car is low and you are not gonna drive in very cold snowy or very hot weather then all season tires are good. Or in the case that you are driving in places where temperatures are changing frequently between 20 and 0 Celsius (70 - 30F).
+JD Cars All Seasons can be used in all seasons, the difference is they aren't meant to be used in the high snowy mountains where it requires snow tires or even chains. However, they are still good for regular snowy winters. I've been on skiing trips and had no trouble with my all seasons, neither had friends.
What about the weight difference in the two cars? Xdrive adds a bit more weight I’d imagine. Weight is a huge factor in braking performance. Would be interesting to see tire test on identical xdrive car one stock and the other with transfer case actuator disconnected to make it RWD.
I'm slightly confused guys by the title ?? Why not to buy 'All Seasons' ? Which car had 'All Season' tyres on ? It seemed the test was more to do with x-drive (all four) against a rear wheel with Snow Tyres, unless you had the All Seasons on the x-drive. Having said that snow tyres make a huge difference to front wheel, rear wheel and all wheel driven cars when driving in the snow, especially when going up hill. That's why in places like Germany it's mandatory to have them fitted for certain months of the year. Check this test out.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Zm98DrOgSmc.html
Great video. You have exactly the right cars for the one thing that interests me to most! Test saving a sliding car. X drive vs rwd. Drive through corners on snow with controls on and off and test which combination is the easiest to save from a crash. My guess is. X drive without traction control(but requires some drift skills) Greatings from switzerland
Dario Hunkeler in my experience RWD is easier to save. Because you can use the throttle to push the tail end around. Can't exactly do that with AWD. And FWD, forget about it. Fwd has oversteer but you're lucky if it goes in the direction you want to go in the snow, maybe the handbrake can save you. Coming from a crown Vic owner.
Jared Ostler thanks for your explanation. I had the same thought but if i have every stability control off. I can get my tail sideways in my bmw 535i xdrive really simpl. I quess we need a video to find out the winner;)
You can still manage to drive in that condition even on summer tires with xdrive. I only do this because I live in socal, after it dumps in mountains summers are best on the normal roads where it’s always dry, but ya def not safest to drive on summers. All seasons would be completely fine
I usually put 4 winter tyres on my Celica Gen 7. In the snow the car grips the road like a limpet. 4x4 without winter tyres is very little advantage at all. The best 4x4 you can buy is a set of 4 spare wheels fitted with winter tyres. All that 4 wheel drive gets you is expensive mechanical complexity. Total waste of money and energy unless you are using it to get about on seriously rough terrain which is approximately n% of the driving public.
Don't know if you are trying to get a lot of comments but why didn't you just list the name of the songs used in the description? Only fair to the musicians. Any way what's the name of the background song from 00:23
Doesn't DTC/Traction control apply more to the acceleration where the ABS is more to do with braking? I could be wrong...genuinely curious whether they're connected or the variance in your tests in anecdotal
Would be more accurate had they not treaded the same path over and over in the black car, as well as if you had tested the exact same car with the same package , the all wheel drive one is obviously much heavier with all the drive train
it would have been better to do a braking test at the same speed, than you could see the real difference. The xdrive could have pickup speed faster and have higher speed at the moment of braking than the rear drive and than of course you have longer braking distance.
I found this informative. I have rwd 328i sport package (better braking) with staggered rear wheels. All weather traction helps me have peace of mind. I’ve driven through some snow areas in the mountains. I avoid places that say need tire chains though. That’s out of comfort zone
Cool treat I never thought rwd would work I’m wonter even with winter tires and always went for xdrive But awd def is safer and better in bad weather rain or snow especially up Hills
Looking for some recommendations for my 2009 328i. I live in Cali and I love going up to the snow but I’m worried about having a RWD car is going to make me end up in a car accident. It’s stopped me from heading up to Tahoe and I’m debating on either 1) getting snow tires on an extra set of Bmw wheels I have and taking cable chains just in case OR holding off until I get a awd or xdrive vehicle.
It really doesn't make sense four wheel drive has a faster acceleration so by the time he gets to the post he should be going a faster rate then a rear wheel drive
M+S are NOT all season tires. Proper all season tires must have the flake of snow +a mountain symbol! Usually in the USA the all seasons are not proper all seasons but rather just the M+S and these are crap in winter! In Europe good all seasons are ~equal to the winter ones.
