Why Obtaining the 121st Star in Super Mario 64 Will Be the Hardest Challenge (Debunked in Part 2) 

Well, what object in Super Mario 64 normally rotates diagonally?

Swankyzone Luigi in Mario 64

Breath of the Wild

no

Ace was discovered recently in Oot, right? maybe in the future, there is a way to do it in sm64 where we could change the stars loading properties by some mean... I'm no expert tho so idk if that's even possible^^

Just tried it, unlocked luigi on top of the roof! You will have to wait at the fountain for 60 minutes before hand though.

Stop making Belmonte's hoaxes

@@YTSirBlack It's a joke you soggy cereal

@@nekosh1ru *64 minutes

@@kirbycreep Oh yeah, my gucci smart shoes must have their time set wrong

"Can the penguin fly?"

"The Ice Jumping"

Yea! honestly, this stars location feels like it should actually be in the game.

I like it :D

"Icy Slide's Shiny Pride". That's be a good name, right? Or should it be "Shiny Pride of the Icy Slide"?

Technically yes, officially no

@@pigs6486 officially yes, but actually no

Actually yes, but collectable no

Technically nes actually yo

Sort-of-maybe yes, but let’s go with that’s a yes to a no.

because there isn't, its a load of junk data the editor read and then loaded into the game, its nothing more than an appearance of a star, but not what defines one. it's like plastic replicas of food, you can see it, but you can't eat it

Scarapter I didn’t even watch the video I just commented lol

Scarapter deep asf

Eat your cereal

For some reason this popped in my head and i haven’t finished the video yet and it’s dumb. Wait, if there are 121 stars, the 100% speed run was a 99%! This was the sentence

True.

There is always a starman waiting in the sky

The stars' cloaking devices are clouds.

@@CarlosEduardo-nt8dn awesome bowie reference

no, probably not lol.

L is real

2401

NO

@Yoav Otts YESN'T

gamers in a container YESN’T’VE

Cylux Halfheart I saw this at 10:04 smh

0:00 for what I came for

TJ Lowe haha well yes the video was great :)

@toad the Imperial guard and Mario the plumber the whole video

Thanks, I hate clickbaiters

New speedrun to Mario 64, The TAS only 121 (techncially 122 in story) star run

Ace is legend of zelda exclusively far as n64 goes from what i know

Was thinking this exact thing

kira angle it’s worth noting that OOT runs on a modified super Mario 64 engine. So I’d wager it’s indeed possible just nobody’s figured out how yet

With ACE you could just spawn and collect any amount of stars you wanted.

I was nearly tearing out my hair when I saw he wasn't using the history feature. He could have even seen who added the post, contacted them, and asked clarifying questions.

@@kneesnap1041 Email him.

[Waluigi's hat symbol thing] is real 2041

@@realperson9951 Γ is real 2041

@@G_Genie thanks

also put the 2401 backwards : 1042

@@kuutti256 10 years and 42 months after the games releasing for ds

@k ? it's...a joke

the nintendo 64 crashes before saving

Vinnie Leverton well, it only crashes once you play Paper Mario after unlocking Luigi.

@@billbobs678 it's...a joke

@@bidoof367 it's... a joke

Dan Boekenoogen Same! I just never made the connection to it being a 121st Star lol

Same, and the behavior described matches up.

Sounds to me like flat earth

Thats literally what TCRF was referring too. Too bad this guy is incapable of realizing that.

@@cat_ann_ Except he corrects himself in the pinned comment so no need to be a dick

yoo my birthday is may 30

He is very talented in that department.

Five people committed suicide while watching this video.

@@Myndale Jesus man

Isn't like he talked about background stuff and didn't just answered the title in five secounds.

Myndale that got dark fast

Well I did But playing with Luigi 24 years tolate wasnt worth it

(D E B U N K E D. I N. P A R T. 2.)

And look at his PINNED COMMENT

@@Subscriberswithnovideos-en3lw and you should LOOK AT THE DATE OF THE COMMENT. also he made this comment for people who DONT. WANT. TO. WATCH. THE. WHOLE. VIDEO.

Zat thanks! I honestly did sit and watched the whole video. It’s all click bait tbh.

Reminds me of troll stars in Brodute's hacks.

I honestly think the coins are uncanny and I don't know why

Diagonal mario 65

it's cursed

It makes me uncomfortable

Why'd you comment twice

How...How are you on every video I watch?!

I wish, chris. I wish.

Are you stalking me? You are on EVERY SINGLE VIDEO I watch. Merg, gd colon, and now this

Hi again

That would be a dream for some and a nightmare for others. Lol.

You can now play as Luigi.

L is real 121

SNUG LIFE!!! BIG FAN DUDE!

@@yes3206 :)

Snug Life love you dude

5.09am 😂

Dude its 4 am and am looking at this wtf 😂

Too bad that this 121st star is not even existing in the first place... He made an update video where he apologizes and explains that there was a mistake on his part. The entire game has no code for this star anywhere.

Whenever I beat the penguin, I don't get a 1 UP, only in the hidden slide I get the 1 up.

edgy sonic

@Paweł Fijałkowski lol thanks!

Person: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU-

I can't freaking believe this..back to the game I go...:D

@Vanguarded_Heart 117 Welp...now all I have to do is find a way to make that star actually collectable (seriously help with this, how would you do that?)

He's a clickbaiter

This is so fucking true i hate it

So fcking true. He keeps baiting so much for something that isn't even real.

It took him like 10 minutes to actually talk about the damn star

Judging by some people's comments, TT64 was reading some part of the game's code that it wasn't supposed to read and interpreted it as objects when they were actually not. Although honestly I wouldn't know why Swanky would be using TT64 in the first place since that tool is very outdated anyway

@@ShiN3Star Where are other people discussing this? There's not much I can find on TCRF's talk page for the game, and the TCRF section of the JUL forum doesn't seem to have anything either. I'm just very intrigued by this stuff.

Thank you. Everything makes sense now. I kept telling myself this made no sense and sounded like it was reading incorrect data. I guessed it was reading outdated entity info that wasn't cleaned up, but this makes more sense.

@@Metalwario64 Other people are discussing this in this video's comment section

*Watch it*

Yeah, of course! Why *wouldn't* you spend 9 minutes learning about blinking?

I've watched that video. It's actually very interesting.

That's Pannenkoek2012 for you

@@LinksYTLink it is by uncommentatedpannen

Did they react on swanky long ago? Lmao aiming to comment on every game video.

At last... super Mario 128... it’s been years... But real talk though it’d be awesome if Nintendo would finish and released some of their scrapped games like they did with starfox 2 or at least released the roms to the public

Just admit it... That was Sunshine

I once saw a Rom (I think it was) called 'the lost stars' I wonder if that has any reference to the lost sequel

soab

Every star has its own ID, right?

@@Magitek1112 that's correct

There are 182 "star collected" flags in the game, but only 7 of them correspond to Cool Cool Mountain. Furthermore, this supposed star isn't actually a real star since its behavior is the one from a different object.

@@ShiN3Star but that specific star could reference one of the unused flags. I suppose, unless solid proof is presented otherwise, would it be possible to activate the unused flags without hacking?

@@RainbowDashShadesOfApproval The unused flags correspond to secret levels (Slide, Aquarium, Rainbow, Bowser levels, Cap switches and end cake picture (yes, end cake picture has 7 star flags)) and cannot be activated from any other level than the one they correspond to. Trying to set a star to a flag of a level it's not in will simply make the star not count towards the star counter, which leads to something that the SM64 romhack community call a "troll star"

What are you talking about, it's not cute

@@centurion_viii1254 it is kind of

It’s creepy

thanks

as a developer I should say that sometimes neither the creators knows what's happening. There is so many changes through the development of a game and other people doing his own changes that a bunch of leftovers are hidden because no one knows how properly remove then without messing

@@fidelluz2942 amen

fidel luz There is so much code during development cycles that I wouldn’t blame devs for leaving things behind

Like said before, not even the devs know everything. There's no one single person doing everything in the game, and there's not even one person that does most things. Communication can sometimes be an obstacle and sometimes developing a game in general is a mess. Sometimes lots of stuff happens without people realising, ideas get implemented in the game but dropped halfway, etc.. As someone who messed with ROMhacking tools and proper game making tools for so long, I'm willing to bet this star might've never even been intended as a "121st star". Maybe a rough draft of this slide level was finished relatively early in development and they included a star (the one in the video) as a concept of where and how the level could end, perhaps similarly to Peach's Secret Slide. Then as they changed the level around and changed the goal to something more closely resembling what we see now, they decided to hide the star since, while not needed anymore, it would be more convenient to just leave it there to be placed again if they had an idea for another use for it. As more and more things changed, they probably continuously failed to find an use for it, but then eventually forgot it was even there to begin with so they forgot to delete it. I think that's the most likely explanation. If they never intended this to be a 121st star, this star would've probably been the one rewarded at the end of the slide, instead of how it is in the final game where the star is strangely awarded after leaving the slide level. I guess as another bit of speculation, maybe that bit of sleight of hand might come from a time the devs couldn't figure out how to make stars obtained in sublevels count for the actual level, so they spawned it outside, but perhaps they quickly figured that out but never changed it for this instance, keeping the star in the video unused.

Wonder what happens if he touches the sun? If it makes him invincible, for how long?

Guess you like false information. Some people don’t.

doge beanie good grief.

It's just a glitch from tt64

It doesn't actually exist. Unfortunately, this entire video's premise is founded on outdated information stemming from a glitch in the level editor Swanky uses. Now that we have the decompilation, it has been shown that those objects aren't actually there. It's sad because I thought they were evidence of something more, but it seems that it wasn't.

Nice Action 52 Profile Picture.

lol the nerve of this video to call out other fakes

He should delete this video

Well, TAS is really just "What to do to do this trick."

@@ShursGarden right. And people have used that as a guideline and found human-friendly methods of accomplishing diffucult things before. Evem ACE!

@@ianmoore5502 people have done ACE without tas??? Are u sure?

@@supermentoskid all the time, just look at the world record for ocarina of time speedruns

Yeah hopefully they can perform it

I'm working on finishing my master's thesis as well, and I disagree. I think his videos are quite poorly-researched and demonstrate a lack of preparation, because they commonly include bad information, things that have already been debunked, poor understanding of source code (i.e. this video, which by the way was proven false right after release), and in general more interest in theories and """lore""" than the actual content of the games.

It’s the old data for the billboard-style stars back in pre-release footage being applied incorrectly to the new star model, from what I understand. The rotation speed and direction are interesting because it seems to imply that the object didn’t rely on standard animation frames.

Also even if you could collect the star, the data for it’s been gone for quite some time. Changing it to a new star entity would work, it just wouldn’t be authentic. I don’t think anything could be, tbqh

It's just a glitch from toad tool 64 lol

@@isabellegrimes8775 Weren't the billboard stars just animated sprites set to always face the camera like the coins, Isabelle? It would not make sense for those to behave like that, I think. 🤔

The animation was the animation for the key in Big Boos haunt, content that was removed before release. Someone found the model, HUD texture, and that animation and reconstructed it previously.

Underrated, Dads going to be so shocked. All 120 star runs are invalid, 121 stars or its not 100%.

Finally caught a Simpleflips stream. He spent 12 hours trying to collect a non obtainable star in CCM and fell asleep live on stream. Great entertainer he is.

Thank you.

Thanks. I appreciate the production value Swanky put in, but he dragged this video too long with this long winded intro filler.

Jeez dude, thank you.

This is no the actual location, swanky Changed the location so the star can be seen

@@cloudyej7535 You're right, it's technically 10:10 , thanks for pointing that out ^^

It is! The tool he uses in this video, TT64, has been outdated for a bunch of years now. It's crappy old software, and it reads past the bank where objects are stored. It then interprets that data as object position/behavior/model ID and displays them as such when it shouldn't.

Bump

@@biobak Makes perfect sense

Although I though the room in question was just previously used for testing it looks like you're right, he admitted it.

THE COMMUNIST CHANNEL what if you are the 121st star.

It's actually not. After he made the video, people in the community got with the people who made the decompiilation of SM64 and it turns out the objects were being added by the level editor that Swanky used (and the person from the original article on TCRF, which has since been removed), since it was just reading garbage data from elsewhere in the ROM. I won't call it clickbait, since I love when Swanky does these kinds of videos. It's just a shame that this couldn't have been found before he made the video, as the entire thing as essentially been nullified, and that's kind of sad.

@@Metalwario64 People are just too lazy to figure out the code and "turn the star on"

yeah I had my hopes up and was severely let down, an object hard coded to not appear in any capacity may as well not be in the game. even if arbitrary code execution could be used to both make the star load and make the star properly interact with Mario, that's fundamentally altering the object TWICE. that's just a hop skip and a jump away from turning a tree into a star with ACE, calling it the "real 121st star," and saying it was because the tree must've been programmed with the wrong object id.

Your first Swankybox video, eh? Every video he makes is clickbait.

@@brandonr.4910 guess my naiveté shines through once again

"L is real" is such a stupid """"rumor"""", you'd have to be literally braindead to have ever believed it. The exact same sign is also in OoT, where you can actually interact with it to see what it really says.

@@abcdefg98765 I never fell for it, I was just making a quick reference.

Very epic gamer I was eight when I fell for it, and many others were young too and didn’t even play Zelda. So it seems kind of a stretch to label everyone that once had fun with a childhood rumor “braindead”

Most likes I've ever had! Wow!

I think the layout suggests that the slide was entirely different at one point. Possibly not even a slide. In prototype shots of Cool Cool Mountain, there's a large, icy, almost pyramid-like structure present. I wonder if entering that would have been another level section, like Shifting Sand Land's pyramid, and these objects are remnants of that, since the star is using the sprite animation function from waaaaaay back in development when the stars used sprites instead of models. Another thing that give credulity to this theory is that in the Shoshinkai build, the slide of Cool Cool Mountain was just the one from Tall Tall Mountain, so I would assume that since they didn't want two separate segments to a single level, they moved the slide to Tall Tall Mountain, and changed the second area of Cool Cool Mountain to a different slide.

@@Metalwario64 Do you know where I can find that prototype picture? Thank you.

@@stevienicksisafreakinglege4413 Search it up yourself

When I was a kid I had a game magazine that claimed you did get the 121st star for beating the harder penguin race. Maybe they claimed that because it was intended after all, then

@@masahirosakurai488 I'm sorry but I could not find what they had mentioned and so I had asked their source, no need to be rude.

"Deep Dive Off The Icy Slide"

Grab the star and get to the death warp star

the fact that there were about 3 comments with these jokes directly under this comment is sad

i feel like everyone should be way more sick of this meme than they are. just kills comment sections really, theyre hard to read when your eyes are constantly rolling

The “nobody:” meme is even worse.

I got fooled by the waluigi in super mario 64 one.

Well thats how mafia works

Alex Rivers you are a doi

Oh I found all (546 stars YOU UNLOCK WALUGUI

"Those other 121 star videos are click bait, mine isn't though!" *Proceeds to make 13-minute clickbait video mentioning at the very last second that the star is unobtainable* oh and by the way the star itself is fake and part of a freaking emulator this dude was using for the vid... straight-up unprofessional.

As long as RU-vid keeps paying people, the videos will continue to get increasingly ridiculous.

There's also a thing called being wrong

Cryman Devilbaby thank god someone in this comment thread with reason

Because people either are always right or always wrong. 🙄

Seriously... SwankyBox's videos are so frustrating to watch. They're all about some bullshit fan theory that he talks endlessly in circles around for 13 minutes and then leaves some ten-second teaser towards the end of the video like "oh but this is just a theory" or "it's hypothetically possible if X". Come on dude... this guy's making videos about nothing of actual substance.

to clarify to other commenters, the decomp team (that reverse engineered the entire code of SM64) was contacted and they determined that none of the findings in this video or the TCRF section are actually coded in the game. the objects that were appearing were just garbage data that the level editor (TT64) was mistakenly adding to the level. tl;dr the star isn't actually in the game.

@@lexikiq I gotta admit, the fact that a bunch of fans are reverse engineering SM64 is truly impressive

@hidlive even better

As someone who knows how stars work, there are no hopes of ever getting this thing to count as an extra star

@@ShiN3Star as someone who knows how stars work a little bit more, there is a little bit of hope of getting this thing to count as an extra star.

@@RyneNeilan Do you really know how stars work? First of all, the object that SwankyBox found isn't a real star, just a random object that just so happens to show the visual of a star. Second, because of how star IDs work, only 7 stars per level are allowed to exist, and these 7 stars' spots are already taken by the stars that you're intended to collect. So even if you could get that object to appear, it wouldn't be a real star. And even if it was a real star, it wouldn't count towards the star counter as a 121st star

@@ShiN3Star As someone who knows the most about stars you could definately make this a star, collectible and count as a star. Action Reply.

Nothing happens, that level is not programmed to give you a star when you collect 100 coins.

@@CoTeCiOtm oh, thanks!

@@EleeExe If you get more than 999 coins with Bowser Fight, weird things happen and deaths give you lives while 1-ups do the opposite.

@@milanmalfait9914 hmmm, strange

@@milanmalfait9914 Your life goes into the negative.

such clickbait, especially after he mocks the other 121 star videos for being false it turns out this is all fake info lol

Not exactly fake, but incorrect/misinterpreted

Before I explain that, we need to talk about parallel universes.

@@flyforce16 I don't think I'd call this fake, but it is a bit dishonest to call the others fake while this one exclusively looks at a star that was never meant to be in the game.