I think this is one of the many tragedies of modern football, in the past, big clubs would only buy a player when they were ready to perform for them. These days young players are an "investment" for the future, with a top tier club having 20 "wonder kids" on the books, for them, it does not matter if 95% of talents don't make it, as long as they find the next Pedri, Bellingham, Haaland or Yamal. A player, they invested 0.5~5million in, can reach 100 million market value in just a few years. And thus the European clubs keep bringing new, young players from all over the world, who are not yet ready or mature, give them at most 1~3 chances, and if the player doesn't SMASH all expectations, he will soon be in the never-ending loan cycle. Imagine that, being 17, coming to Europe, knowing no one, massive culture shock, and on top of that switching clubs every transfer window; it is no wonder at all these players fail, and when you think back to how good they were when they first broke through, it is easy to conclude that if given more time to mature and learn, their chances of success at top clubs would be exponentially higher. If Neymar came to Barca at 16~17, he would have flopped massively. Cool video again, thumbs up from me!
It's sad but we can't blame them for trying to make it. The success rate for Oceania talent going overseas is insanely low, but I hope this will get better in the future. Thanks for watching again! I really appreciate it. 🙏
Sometimes it's even worse. Talents are bought just because a club feels it has to deny them to the opposition. But there's no real need or plan for them so they languish during their most important years.
Lately, it seems like football has to have *really* young stars. Everyone acts as if Yamal and Endrick should be the norm, when it makes sense that being a World Class player as a teenager is a rare feat. You should give a player the time to develop, and not act like it's his fault that he can't adapt like a veteran player when he's 18
@@iceeeuuuu he has a right to be confident. He is extremely talented and already scoring for Bayern's first team in friendlies. Gonna be a laugh to see all the haters like yourself proved wrong.
While I get that this video is meant to mostly focus on recent Australian and New Zealand players, I kind of wish you would touch a bit on players from other Oceanian countries. A recent one I could think of is Solomon Islands' Raphael Lea'i. Went to Velez Mostar of the Bosnian league after a season where he outscored the Solomon league, and in the two seasons with them, he scored two goals and provided two assists in 12 league matches. Unfortunately, he decided to return to Oceania after getting homesickness. There was also David Browne, a Papua New Guinean that were signed by PEC Zwolle (and later Groningen) in the Eredivisie. After a few seasons of not playing a single game for the first team, he returned to Auckland City, before leaving again for HJK in Finland where he ended up playing a lot of games, even in the Europa League. He left HJK two years ago and is now clubless. Another one I remembered was Vanuatu's Bong Kalo. Played well at the 2017 U20 World Cup, and was signed by a lower league Swiss team in Ascona. He ended up playing with them for a few months before returning to Vanuatu.
Our current Squad is better and has more potential than the 00s era. Kewell was overated, had a few good seasons, Cahill was an underated consistent gem, Schwartze was just good, nothing special, Viduka was pretty good too, I don't know why Emerson is there.....
@@rileyhandby5394no way you just said that hahah kewells injuries derailed him he wasn’t overrated and if you don’t think shwartzer was special you clearly didn’t see him at middlesbrough and fulham he played over 500 epl games most by a non british player and that team had 4 world class players who are the 4 world class players in our team now
I'm from adelaide and love nestor, when I first saw him play i knew he was going to be big but as us Aussies all know it's really hard for young players to succeed over in europe.
Bro your statement is not accurate. There are many good Brazilian players that to smaller Portuguese or European clubs. There are even some Brazilians that go to North Africa. Australian players should learn from Ivory Coast, Senegal and Morocco and transfer Australian players directly to the French league and Belgian league and not big clubs like Bayern Munich. That will give the Australia or New Zealand player the best chance to develop. It’s not rocket science
@@symptomofsouls African players are foreign players in Europe. Nigeria, Senegal, Ghana, Morocco, Ivory Coast, Cameroon usually do not transfer there players to the big European clubs. They usually go to Belgium, France, Portugal, Holland, Scandinavia, or Eastern Europe. This strategy give your players the best chance to develop and improve because of playing first team football
Australians know that if they fail they have something to fall back on by coming back to the a league. That and the culture shock of being so far removed from the juggernaut of European football.
@@ggabriel1 Australia has great supporters though? Especially the Matilda's! They have set records for female match attendance! Australia always supports the national team every world cup and Asian cup so there's good fan support but we just don't have the team and the stars we used to? America is the same in that football is probably their 4th most played game now but they haven't won the population over the way the Socceroos have.
As an Australian we are glad we were put in the afc since we have qualified into loads of world cups since 2006 and the only one before in the Ofc 1 playoff spot was in 1974 and all those thrashings of other Ofc teams were just boring
I always found it unfair how Oceania has never had even just *one* spot at the World Cup (they'll only receive it now that there will be 48 teams), and used Australia to prove why they should have had one. I mean, in the decades as a team from Oceania, Australia qualified to 2 World Cups (1974 and 2006). Then, they join the AFC, and haven't missed a World Cup since then (2010-2014-2018-2022).
The aleague is an odd league. It’s plays in a hot summer, so the players fitness is different to leagues in summer. It’s not worse just players need know how releases energy smarter. This is seen when big euro players come, kewell struggled to impact games for half a season, Nani was flat once the summer hit, galas gave up because it was so hot (the infamous post match interview ect.. many Aussie players so the need to be a step up before the even get a chance to play, Middlesbrough currently have been signing players from the a-league and using the a lot giving the a chance and showing good signs. So be interesting to see if other clubs take the little risk as transfer and generally cheap.
Singh would have had a chance at Bayern had their coach Niko Kovač stayed on. He was the one giving Singh game time. As soon as he got fired, Singh had no future in the first team. Sometimes you need the right coach at the right time to believe in you.
to be fair singh is just not good enough. the manager does not matter, he is a cam which we have a lot even in our youth academy and he has never been special for us. now he is a freeagent because he can't even find a club who wants him in the 2. bundesliga. german football is just to fast and physical for him.
worth pointing out neither Matt Garbett nor Marko Stamenic got a start in the A league. they both went to Europe young. Both signed with clubs in smaller leagues, Swedish and Danish, and made their way from there. Stamenic in particular has moved on to sign for Nottingham Forest and loaned out to Olympiacos. That's a familiar type journey for many young lads from Oceania, whether they do A league or not. Get into smaller clubs/leagues young and see if they can progress from there.
Soccer is popular, but no one cares about the corporate, no history A-league clubs. The NPL should have been better taken care of. Getting the NPL teams into the league and letting the quality redistribute, and build up of community support is where it all begins. I would support Blacktown over WSW any day.
@@beigealert4268 I agree with everything you said however the popularity in Australia, especially in very young age groups, could probably be that a lot of parents don't want their kids playing footy because it's too rough. Regardless, football is quite popular in Australia but there's just not enough competition. You can even see this in how well NPL teams from the east do against NPL teams from WA.
Good video, but "is the goalkeeper at a professional level" is an unreasonably negative take. The spectrum of talent across the league is wide, however you can't deny it is at least of a professional level.
As someone who lives in New Zealand and follows the A-League. A 2nd divison would never work here. Unlike European countries, Australia is massive (3rd less densely populated country in the World) so the travel costs for any small teams would be massive, not to mention the financial costs for teams getting relegated. It'd also kill football in New Zealand since we can't sustain a professional league (and our clubs would probably be forced out or go bankrupt). I want to think of this postively but imo the downsides massively outweigh the benefits.
I find the big difference between au players and top tier European players is technical ability and decision making. If you ever been to an a league game you get frustrated over poor passes, poor first touch and decision making in crucial moments to break defensive lines. Australia really needs to remodel their grass roots and work on developing young talent
Hey! Yes you're right, neither played in the A-League. But they are both great examples of players who are currently in the European club blender. Between them they've got 8 different clubs in Europe since 2020. Each club at a totally different level. Thanks for watching!
Lets be honest, its a huge step up and many struggle to adjust and cope with the extra demands. Its not just the football side, you’ve got to be strong mentally to handle living so far from home snd maybe not having family with you. Some probably find it very lonely.
It would but it's also easier said than done. I think financially it's still a few years away. A lot of players in regional leagues easily have the ability to play a level up - but it would mean leaving behind professional careers in their day jobs and taking a huge pay cut to play football full time. If wages were able to catch up some how the football ecosystem would be way more positive.
You have to take into account most Aussies make more money than an A League player. NRL AFL Cricket and Tennis stars make a lot more money than the typical Aussie
I wouldn't say most aussies but I get your point. Unless you're a marquee signing, the salary of an A league player is on par with that of an average australian. Youth players get paid the same as professional graduates for example.
Australian here, the ideal solution to our talent problem may be to create a relegation and promotion system, but sadly it isn't that simple. Aussies play a lot of sport, and unfortunately, Football, or soccer as we call it, is not the most popular, and generates less income/revenue when compared to other Australian pastimes such as Australian Football (AFL) and cricket. The amount of money a promotion and relegation system would cost is ludicrous compared to the money that the A-League and other State NPL leagues generate. Plus, the modifications that would need to be made to numerous stadiums to allow for A-League play is too difficult at the moment. Some NPL teams play in larger stadiums, but others do not, it would be like having a bunch of smaller Luton Towns playing, with not enough stadium capacity. Lastly, certain states have begun punishing their NPL teams for even thinking about the idea of joining a national competition with a relegation/promotion system. The Queensland soccer association, or whatever they're called, has genuinely threatened to BAN teams from ever coming back to the NPL if they leave for the national competition, if said system fails. Thankfully, Australian Football is on the rise, and will hopefully continue to prosper, so that maybe one day, we can create a legitimate football pyramid and compete with the bigger nations in terms of both talent, and league standard.
Football is the most played sport in australia, its just not the most watched, but i think that comes down to promotion and availability honestly. like having to buy a paramount plus subscription to watch the a league is just not a viable thing to do. where as Rugby league and AFL are both plastered on main channel tellie, and that really hurts the casual audience like an elderly couple who just wants to go watch a local kick or a family who want to go to a stadium game in there local city, if it isnt promoted there going to go to the sport that is.
Few sentences in, and you’re wrong mate. Football is the most played, and arguably most wanted sport in Australia. The loud, posh citysiders don’t want to admit that though
In my opinion you should take the J-League path and introduce a tier system gradually - as far as I know people there are still crazy about baseball as well, but they managed to establish their league and the national team as one of the strongest in Asia (with good performances in the last 2 WCs) and have a steady stream of players in European top leagues. I think that if Canada can make it to the semi-finals of Copa America and produce Alphonso Davies and Jonathan David, so can you. Maybe it will hard at first, but there will be incentive for lower-ranked teams to strive for progress, which will generate popularity in the long run.
@@assuredaviation9116what do you mean by posh citysiders lol. 91% of Australians live in city’s. Also football hardly exists in regional Australia that’s all AFL or Rugby
@@dazzlebreak4458the current second division proposal is about to fold due to lack of money and support. Australia only has 26 million people spread out over an area the same size as twice the EU area it’s just not going to work
Instead of going for superclub, they should go for lower divisions or mid table side team where they could get more playing time instead of competing against super stars of big clubs for playing time.
This is happening 6 players in the past year have gone to the championship and are doing well. There was already are bunch in the same league and a couple just got promoted
@@mcaudery Directly signing for a super club could be better for their PR but when it comes to actual game, playing for lower division sides for much more playing time would be always better option. Or just go to their youth academy system as a 12-14 year old as players like pulisic did.
Here after irakunda has moved. He has made around 3 debates for youth team and scored before joining the main team on a camp and played against spurs with players like muller and neuer
Aaron Mooy just had a great WC with Australia, was playing as one of the best players Celtic had at the time and then unfortunately picked up a back injury and has since retired.
Written by someone who knows nothing about a league, the player in question or how Bayern Operate with youth signings. The lad from Adelaide while lightning quick has questionable control at that pace, Bayern have been hoovering up youth all across the world for years only for them to languish in the 2/3rd tier of German football. There are many examples of players making the move from the a league to Europe and having great careers
I like your video very much I am an Adelaide United supporter I've watched this young man play a lot in Australia we have many codes of Sports I think you'll do very well in the Bundesliga there's something about him this year in Adelaide United we've lost a lot of players like Joe gauchi who went to Aston Villa and Simon Goodwin went to play in the Sony Arabia Australia's trying very hard to look after the young players I know it Adelaide United we like to use youth look forward sing more of your videos keep the good work up
players should focus on going to smaller EU clubs that focus on development, but the contracts and wages the large clubs offer can be hard to turn down for anyone. let alone a kid or young adult that could be from a low or middle class background and wants to get their family out of that situation.
Sarpreet Singh was only freshly a starter on a mid table side that was being propped up by player of the season Roy Krishna almost singlehandedly. Whoever said Singh was the best player in the league was talking absolute garbage. It was Bozza wasn't it. Tell me it was Bozza.
I will comment on the African ones, what I saw is in the Australian youth system they tend to pick them based on speed and athleticism. On the other hand the most speedy and athletic white guys would either choose AFL or NRL. So most of the time these guys outruns their opponents and get behind and scores, then all of a sudden they look good. But technically they’re very average. So in European they go up against guys that are as quick and more skilful than them.
Australia is part of the Asian confederation. Also, it is not for the pleasure of Europeans that Australiaactually plays football, do you know how many Europeans live in Australia?
Bayern is trying for Irankunda to find the success they found in operations like the one of Alphonso Davies, searching talents from atypical leagues to big cash outs in the future. The thing with Davies though is that he was, I wouldn't say necessarily out of luck, acquired initially as a right winger and trived as a left-back. Which is a very unique case that could potentially not fit for Irankunda. Irankunda needs to find a role in which Bayern's lacking quality options, and show at least that he can play consistently with the first team. I would have him play with the second team to experiment tactically, and debut in the first team with THE BEST conditions for him to grow naturally. You can't expect for every other player to be like a Florian Wirtz or Alphonso Davies himself, he needs to find a manager who makes his ability fit with their game (and Kompany could possibly deal with younger players better than others in that sense), within a plan that sees the gradual substitution of older players with a younger generation in a general way instead of putting all the spotlight and pressure on him, and it could eventually work out for him. He needs to be mentally positive, strong, and a bit lucky. But it is kinda concerning how on his natural role Bayern already had acquired the services of Michael Olise, to add to players that already play the same role like Coman, Sané and Gnabry. That's a problem.
1st, Australia is in the Asian Football Confederation and the Oceania Football Confederation is different and has member nations from the Pacific Islands like Fiji, Tonga, PNG, Vanuatu, and NZ. Failing to make that key distinction is sloppy. I personally favour "Oceania" players playing in leagues like Denmark, Switzerland, Austria, and the Netherlands with quality youth and older player development. There are plenty of "Oceania" players who have done well before the A League, such as Mark Viduka, Harry Kewell, Wynton Rufer, Mark Bosnich, Tim Cahill, Ryan Nelson and others. I don't believe Chris Wood, ever played A League, but has had a great premiership career. NZ international Liberato Cacace has played for FC Empoli since 2022 and plays in the Italian Serie A. He started at Wellington Phoenix, most certainly an A League club. Ryan Thomas is another NZ international playing in the Eredivisie, who has signed for big clubs, but it was injury, not quality that affected his playing time and success.
I lived in Perth for almost 5 years. AFL is king in Australia, most high level athletes would much rather play oz rules than football. And IMHO only minorities/recent immigrants play football in there, making the talent pool very small. I went to a Perth Glory match just to watch Del Piero and old man Alessandro was running game around everyone.
Young players move too fast to big clubs and the pressure gets to them. Even European youngsters flop at big clubs. A good example is Xavi Simons who flopped at Barca and at PSG. However he's managing to tear it up in the Bundesliga at Leipzig. He even requested to go on loan again to develop more as a player.
It's definitely not exclusive to players from down under. I will say Xavi never really "flopped" anywhere. He's from la Masia so didn't flop at Barca, joined PSG because he was a hot commodity at a time (and still is) where they were stacking the team around Messi and co so it was more just a lack of playing time. In the games he did get to play in Paris he looked the part, which he's proven at PSV and as you've mentioned with Leipzig. Thanks for watching!
As an Australian, it’s simple, football isnt even a top 3 popular sport in the country. If it was the most popular sport Australia would do far better. Look at the olympics, 18 gold medals for a country of 30 million…
Moved too early. Might have the skills of a wonderkid, but the development environment and support structure is a bit more important. And the mentality. Maybe its why aussie players havent really hit it big for quite a few years since likes of Viduka and Kewell.Maybe moves to a club with lower profile would have been better
Australian footballers struggle because in Australia we don't have a proper league system like in Europe, therefore we cannot keep up with Europe. Plus money in Europe is so much more compared to the A-League clubs so training and buying players is a struggle. I want to see the A-League grow into a proper system so we can actually have a chance in the World Cup or in European comps.
The A-league is a weird league as a whole. The players who leave for Europe tend to struggle, and when they come back they also struggle. Even the foreign players that come in, their skill level is almost irrelevant, it ends up being a coin flip whether they can adapt or not. It might be that they train and play in the height of a hot Australian summer. But something is very different. I think if you put an A-league side into a European league like the English Championship, they'd bomb. But if you put a Championship side into the A-league, they'd bomb. It's that different.
I don't know anything about the A-League, but the difference in skill between the A-League and the European Leagues is massive...i would compare the A-League to the third tear of German football but I might be wrong about this... Let's hope he gets some time on the field, maybe with the Bayern reserves in the 4th regional Bavarian division.....or he will explode and prove me completely wrong :DD which would be the best thing also it's not really a gamble for a club the size of Bayern...investing 10 Mio in total into one talent is not a big risk from the club's perspective....if he turns out to be anything near Davies and his rise, that is the optimal route for us. Still, if he fails to impress, he will not be a financial impact for bayern....also side effect... Australia is a market with a lot of capital, so for marketing reasons, this might also be a good transfer for the entire league even....
Personally. They should have a system for “oceanic” players or players from the A-League or from other leagues that aren’t as top tier as the Europe leagues. Let’s say A-League is at B-C tier. Meaning one of the lowest leagues. And the Prem is an S tier league. If players from here move to any European league or club. They should create a system fit for players who haven’t developed in Europe. As in stay with the reserves for a year or two. Then loan them out to a “lower tier” European league. For example, clubs like Celtic, or clubs in country that have a good foundation of player development. It’s hard to analyse but if Aus players ever want to become pro and break the judgement you have to commit to travelling elsewhere for at least 1-2 maybe 3 years. Developing in Europe for a year takes you to a different level compared to A-league. The standard here isn’t enough. Footballing association here don’t fund enough and we don’t have enough resources to make the league interesting. For example, introduction of promotion/relegation. Whether that’s with all NPL clubs or an A-League 2. The simplicity of that and not asking clubs that are worthy of competing in the A-League for 6 figures to at least apply into the A-League is ridiculous. It’s what kills the progression. No funding. Asking for ridiculous amounts of money from clubs that either cannot pay the fees or don’t have the facilities. That’s fine if facilities are lacking but it can be developed. Either way, it’s stopping any sort of progression in Aus.
Transfer fees these big clubs pay may be good for the A-league clubs and player agents but not so good for our young players. Europe is cut throat but would rather our players go to leagues where senior football is a more likely possibility otherwise staying in the A-league would be better for development.
The players also need to take a step back and think im playing in the A league like yes bayern are bayern but am i actaully going to play for bayern going to a 2nd divsion or even 3rd divsion club would be a better for them like the whole problem is they have just moved thousands of miles from home you then set up in munich for pre season and then you get shipped off on loan and live in a hotel somehwere then in jan you het loan somehwere else and live in a hotel again then you back to your parent club for the summer again then another hotel for another loan like how you gonna play well when you so unsettle all the time movong around like they need to go to a club permanent at a lower level bed in and then start performing
Great video, explains exactly why players struggle once they get their big chance. It will take one to be the benchmark and will open the floodgates. As for NZ football, unless you live in Wellington or Auckland with wealthy parents or backers, you are less likely to be “scouted”. They have the strongest leagues to grab players from, while the remaining provinces struggle to keep players interested as there is no direct pathway. I do remember Rangers doing a scouting trip in the smaller regions, but in saying that I do believe that now is the best opportunity for other clubs to scout players as Rugby has taken a big hit (players losing interest/very limited opportunities). And with Maori having strong physical attributes, it will only be a matter of time before they start getting involved.
Something worth mentioning is that football is just not big in this part of the world. It is behind Rugby (Union and League), cricket, basketball, and AFL. Only really passionate football players actually make a career out of it.
When you’re competing with people who use football as their way out of absolute poverty, there is a different mentality at play. The pros and cons of the quality of life we have in Australia is what potentially holds back some players from going to the next level in Europe. You can always come back to Australia and enjoy a comfortable life, even outside of football.
I enjoyed this analysis. I would suggest not doing the whole "please like and subscribe" thing. Why? Because you want organic data to understand when (and potentially why) your different audiences hit "like" during the video, not data that is skewed/biased by the content-creator's prompts. Keep up the good work 👏
The Australian team did great last world cup considering it was a weak team by aussie standards? They won 2 games and advanced to the final 16 only losing 1 - 0 to winners Argentina. They dont have the golden generation of players anymore but they still play strong defensive football and fight hard!
Clickbait thumbnail, basic facts incorrect such as Australia being in AFC not Oceania, shallow analysis that offers nothing we haven't heard before, AND failing to mention the massive injury issues most of the players mentioned have had... This video fails, whilst Irankunda is winning having just made his debut and scored his first goal for Bayern 2.
Hi Zebeeze, thanks for watching the video. I know Australia is part of the AFC. I happen to live here! That is not what the video is about. It also about Kiwi (OFC) players experiencing the same issues overseas. And let's be real, kiwi and Aussie players experience the same football development trajectory as outlined in the video, they play in the same league. But I appreciate your feedback and hope you'll give some future videos a shot! Cheers
Irrespective of the examples used, can you really make a case for Australian players generally having successful stints in Europe? For even our most promising players the hit rate is exceptionally low, and has declined considerably over the last 2 decades
(1:45) It'll obviously be a challenge for him to learn to walk the right side up. But he's young and athletic so I've no doubt he'll adjust to living on the top side of the globe.
The problem is that the skill and football level here is so bad that an average European player would look like prime messi. If you ne put an average League 1/Championship player into the biggest leagues in the world, you’ve got yourself a terrible player
What’s given you the right to disrespect Stamenic he’s doing great, only takes 5 seconds to realise Sighs been plagued with injuries every season which lead to a permanent move to Werder Bremen collapsing, you also didn’t mention Paulsen to Bournemouth and Ben Old to Saint Etienne funny that
Hi, you've described exact scenarios I've covered in the video. I've also got a video on my channel dedicated entirely to Paulsen's last season at the nix. Thanks for watching!
nesta will be fine! he has next level pace and technique, he'll play plenty of games in europe. think that players struggle overseas cos they go from summer to arse end winter in dark cold country's. think they do better in warm english speakng countries when they are young at least. Really poor video tho, might wanna work on that!
This video has completely ignored the ones who succeeded. I’m not even going to list them. You can focus on the young ones who left early and didn’t go well but you can’t use them to make statements about all of them. Pathetic journalism. And you can’t even get the federation right. Australia left Oceania a long time ago. What was the point of this ?
