Why Old Cartridge Suck For New Shooters 

For extreme long distance I would pick the 408 Cheytac. Just my opinion

i wonder if vortex is going to warranty thier clock xD

Here you go working for Hornaday and bad mouth old reliable proven cartridge to sell for Hornaday. I knew something was coming hearing said some nonsense. Don't need to see anymore I am out of here

@@lurebenson7722 BYE BYE

@@abcertweld Exactly as we found with 3 of our shooters. Respectfully, Seth

Exactly, these "ancient" cartridges get the job more than done, only reason those new ones really exist is because they need to make money. Not even to mention if you handload your 7mm Rem Mag you can easily outperform the 7PRC. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel.

@@duckgrape2455 He literally says this list doesn't apply to reloaders because of your exact reason. For people not wanting to get into reloading, the newer rounds are just better if you're shooting factory. Reloading isn't for everyone and some people still want to get the "best of the best". So yes, that market is aimed at those people. And that's the whole point of being a company, is to make a profit. If making new cartridges means more profit, of course they're going to do that! And they're not trying to reinvent the wheel, they're just called optimizing. Speaking of wheels, go look at the tires from 1980 vs 2024. They're still tires, but they're BETTER. You'd be an idiot to buy the 1980 designs for 2024, and guess what, they're more expensive because that's how a free market works. Kind of the same can be said for cartridges. Why buy older rounds when new rounds are better in every way? The only reason would be cost savings, in which case, sure don't buy the cartridges and stick with the cheaper one. Because you are right, they do still get the job done, just not AS good of a job.

@@samueldesousa3134 also 7mm PRC is just a simple copycat with a little Flitter here and there from the 2004 introduced but commercial not succesfull 7mm Blaser Magnum

@@lenzadlbergerguess your from Europe? I live in Switzerland and would love to get a 7mm wsm but there is nothing available here 🙄 guess the 7wsm would be also way more sexy than the hyped 7prc.

​@@eiszeit9795 i'm from Bavaria 😉 and yes there are some Cartridges that would be nice to have but are very hard to find in Europe.

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not only that, i can wander into a hardware store and buy 308 or 3006. ask them for 300 prc and they will think im giving them a part number for lawnmower spark plugs. for normal people and practical shooters, performance is not the only factor.

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​@@ghostlight69420Haha yeah. Is that for the Husqvarna weed eater?

Great caliber. Very accurate as well.

That is The Benchmark Caliber !

That 30-06 is The Benchmark Caliber !

I’ve never been a 30-06 fan but I love the 300win. Just personal preference, if I’m going above 308 give me the 300win or 7mm rem.

still the benchmark. I consider .4 g1bc the baseline to which we measure everything against

@@TheTGRproductions 30 cal fucks hard

IQ deficiency detected.

its not a flex to say you use something less efficient and neither of those cartridges are anywhere near that old. you can shoot a .45-70 out to 600 with iron sights, why are you such a bad hunter you need bottleneck cases. you probably used jacketed bullets too. shouldn't even be in the field. see how stupid that sounds. its like saying you drove across the country in a rusty ford taurus and bragging its not a newer car. ok.

Where u in Africa?

@@joshuarosenwald6490 where am I in Africa now? where do I live in Africa? or, have I been to Africa, but currently am not there? what are you asking me.

@@hotramen5952 lol I wasn't asking you anything! I was asking original commenter...im not even sure what you said?...read what u said you should clean that word salad up...maybe don't put so much dressing on lol!

And 30-06 ammo is available everywhere. Best all-round hunting cartridge. Pieter seems to focus on long distance shooting, which is what he does.

@@Adventures4Lou very true, but the 30-06 is very very capable as a long range cartridge. If a 6.5 creedmoor can do it, the 30-06 with the right load is actually better, I think telling people not to buy a 30-06 is silly.

It may be similar drop and drift but it does it with quite a bit more recoil. For a match shooter that is a deal breaker.

@@440capnhook mine weighs about 10.5lbs, recoil is very manageable, if imagine with a muzzle brake it would be very comparable to a 6.5 creed or maybe even a 243.

I've got 212eldx that I plan to work a load for, and theoretically it matches external ballistics of the creedmoor with 143eldx. But yeah, outside of competition, I have zero interest in new cartridges. 6gt is my competition gun

@@PetterBRagreed, and it’s even farther behind the 6.5x55.

@@PetterBR again I agree

@@PetterBR Minor disagreement. A lot of 260s won't chamber (or the mags are too small) the 155 gr Lapua Mega/156 gr Norma Oryx/160 gr Woodleigh Weldcore. For 140 gr bullets, yeah, 260 Rem is hard to beat. I prefer my 6.5x55 Tikka to either 260 or 6.5CM, tho.

@@PetterBRprobably dont find much 260 factory ammo or factory chamber guns for that matter lol but its a great case, ideal if you build a custom gun and handload

@@PetterBR availability does matter in this opinion. 260 is great but doesnt have near the rifle options or ammo options. I can see the creed having a major advantage there. Like i said you have to build a custom gun and handload to really benefit from a 260…now the 7 rem mag or 300 win mag vs the PRC equivalents…that is a opinion based discussion since both are available in guns and ammo

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What would you recommend? Pretty sure hornady has made the best cartridges for factory rifles for normal shooters.

any of the previous cartridges are perfect. I would recommend it over anything he recommends. largely due to availability and it still gets the job done. Also, some of it is damn cheaper​@davidandre886

375 EnABLER. Seriously though, Hornady has designed excellent cartridges here and they have good market support. I just thought it was funny because the information presented could have been said in a 30 sec short.

In his defense Hornady has been the only one making new calipers to talk about

PRC = precision rifle cartridge

@@KristinaBaker-ql5hi respectfully, that was sarcasm, ma'am. I am very much aware what PRC stands for, but thanks for pointing that out👍

🚨🚨 Trigger Alert! 🚨🚨 🤣 That aside, I don't need anything new...although the 'new' line Nosler cartridges are really nice, IMO...but yes, older cartridges still work fine. I'm not a Creedmoor fanboy...I....just ....can't...sorry. No.

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Still my go to for hunting anything smaller than elk for food, but I step up to 338win mag elk and tougher.

Your Bringing the 180 grain punch Garranteed to stop Grizzley in his tracks

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Yes very true, I have had similar experiences shooting 6.5cm😂

​@@brett5990lord have mercy on you. I once made the mistake of asking a Facebook group if I should get a Savage Axis in .308 or 6.5 Creed. I swear it felt like a twitter feed with everyone just tearin each other apart. Out of the few hundred comments 15 were even remotley helpful. Everything else was people just hating each other for saying one is better than the other

Well. It does.

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Dirty six...... nothing better. Or?

The 30-06 cartridge was designed for Black Powder and not modern propellants that burn way faster. And why most modern cartridges are designed with a sharper shoulder angle to increase efficiency.

@@johnmartin5147 pretty hard to be designed for modern powders in 1906… And don’t sit down in a hurry with a 30-06 in your back pocket next time

The 30-06 was not designed for black powder. Smokeless powder had already been around for ~20 years when the 30-03 first came on the scene. MR-21 was the original powder used in testing and production, a smokeless, not black, powder. In ~1930, they switched to another smokeless, IMR-1185 Even the 30-40 Krag was developed for smokeless powder, and it predates the 30-06 by about a decade. Other cartridges predating 30-06 that used smokeless - 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser and 7x57 Mauser.

What you are doing is going hunting with your grandfather. IMO nothing better.

Most of development is very incremental in improvement in the past 100 ish years, if you already have the old cartridges there’s not much reason to get the new ones. This one is definitely generational where new shooters will be going for new rounds as they are _technically_ better. The most surprising not seen here was 280 ackley as the 60 something year old round is still very equivalent to the 7mm prc. There really isn’t much reason to get a prc over an ackley even today. And there’s 7mm saum and rum which don’t really have newer counterparts but those i guess were still created after 2000.

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In saying that i would take the 7mm 08, would never buy a 6.5 cm.

You guys are doing it wrong. Buy em all. I've got the 308, 6.5 cm and the 6.5 PRC. I honestly don't know if I could just pick one because they are all great in their own right. The PRC is kinda difficult to find ammo for and very expensive compared to the others but a great performer. The creedmoor just smashes deer and is very pleasant to shoot. The 308 doesn't try to destroy itself, ammo price/availability is great and it's overall performance is sufficient for most people.

Piet doesn't give a £u*k about barrel life.

@@moonray1276 he can afford not to

I would for use on elk or similar size game at reasonable ranges. Having the 180 grain option is definitely worth it.

Yeah but after a while it gets it gets tiring it's like listening to Democrats and how good the economy is doing you just get tired of it

That's because he would have had to say the 6.8 western and hornady aren't paying him to say that

@@darren5956 Don't worry about it. It's one of the best kept secrets. And I know it's one flat shooter

it should be, and I literally came to comments to tell him he screwed up not mentioning 270 Win as it's the most effected by what he's talking about. 1-10 twist barrels in .270 is a tragedy. Optimal bullet design would be around the 156gr weight and nobody makes a barrel that would stabilize that in 270 Win. 6.8 Western is going to fail because of lack of available ammo and very few mid range cost rifles, but it should explode off the shelves based on the ballistics.

Yeah, I was waiting for it too. He probably hates it but forgot it existed.

@darren5956 did you see your comment and my reply made it into his latest video haha

Somewhere in Ohio?

@@ryanleech789 yes. Northwest Ohio. I think the company Area 419 is in a small town called Delta. Not far from where I grew up.

419 for life.

True about the swede, but good luck finding guns and ammo, at least in the US. I’ll take the 6.5 creedmoor any day and all day long and twice on Sunday. Other than just being different, (which is a fine reason), there’s no reason here to buy a Swede.

Yes agreed with the ammo!!! Handloading for realized potential or very expensive European imprt ammo.

@@phild9813 You don't need a man bun to shoot a 6.5 swede.

Well you don't need a long action rifle to shoot 6.5 Swede. I have rifles chambered in both and my Swede is nice but with factory ammo it really doesn't compare. Any way, I have built medium/long action rifles, they are 284 Winchester and 338 RUM. 6.5 Swede wasn't even a consideration. 284 is just more of everything, more bullet, more ballistic coefficient, probably more FPS, Lapua brass, lots of 1,000 yard benchrest championships, etc. 338 RUM was just an exercise in how much bullet I could fit in a CIP length long action and a beginner ELR rifle that didn't need an extra large action for 338 Lapua or bigger. With a short action I like 6.5 Creedmoor. If I was going for 6mm it would be 6 GT. The 6 GT is an evolution of 6 BR just stretched out to feed better from standard AICS short action magazines. If I had the money for a top of the line ELR rig, I would probably choose it by which bullet I want to shoot, then figure out who makes the best chamber for that bullet, who makes the best barrel rifling for that bullet, then choose a chambering that has good lathe turned brass available that will put it in the velocity it needs. I might even get a super heavy test barrel to play around with barrel length and tuners to find nodes so I could have a better guess at what will work for my "competition" barrel.

You have no idea what you're talking about good Lord get off the internet 🥱

Id have to agree that the 280 AI is probably the best balanced 7mm

It's not a Hornady cartridge... that's why

@@ReloadingWeatherby sadly correct

The original 280 Rem is a tragically overlooked cartridge.

@@timothythompson6549 agree 280 rem is so overlooked and it sucks Remington failed to market it properly. There’s still tons of factory loads I’ve seen on the shelves and online lately. I still have a ton of 280 brass and un-open boxes of 280 rem that I have setting over the years.

@@h4l414 hey don’t forget the 7mm rem mag. All these modern shooters hate it because it’s a belted magnum 🤣 when I come across these youngsters who tell me I it is old & belted I just tell them “ well son daddy has to wear a belt to whip that ass”🤣🤣🤣🤣

@suzgabverdugo933 Nope, would be no ammo for it if things break down.

@@lenzadlberger I love the 7×57 and the 7×64 really doesn't get the attention it deserves

Exactly I’ve a Cz in 6,5 x 55 and it’s shootin lights out with 140 gr

@@danielrouw2593 as a Reloader with a modern Rifle 6.5x55SE beats 6.5 Creedmoor without Problems (SAAMI Specs for SE are a damn Joke CIP is ok 3900 bar but a modern Rifle with quality Brass even 4000-4100 Bar is no Problem at all) i shoot my 140gn with Reload Swiss RS60 at 856m/s out of a 22" Barrel 130gn at 902m/s Brass is fine no Pressure Signs Accuracy is great and yes i am a Hunter

@@lenzadlberger the usual yak reason given for the 6.5 swede being loaded lower is because of the older crag and Norwegian rifles chambered in 6.5 swede might not take the higher pressures, however modern 6.5 swede rifles have no such issues with pressure

@@giggergigger1 i know the Norwegian Krag one Lug Bolts are the Main Problem For the Swede with Factory Ammo, i have a Mauser M12 Expert from 2019 For this Rifle more "modern" Pressures are no Problem at all, Funny is that 6.5x55SE is the 4th cheapest Brass that Lapua Produce after 223 7.62x39 and 308 😂 and you allways find once fired Lapua Norma or RWS Brass online cheap as dirt in Germany

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And thats only if you buy off the shelf . I get close to 6.5 prc speeds when hand loading my 6.5x55 . The factory rounds are way under powered because of the amount of ww2 and older rifles that are still around . But with a modern 6.5 sweed you can load up much better rounds .

@@davidheath2427 which bullets and which/how much powder? Just curious. I'm not leaning on mine too hard - abut 2400 fps with 160 gr Woodleigh PPSN on top of H4350. The way I look at it is I'd have to get over 2600 fps with that load to really move the needle on both ballistic arc and energy, and for me, the juice just ain't worth the squeeze. I have a tack-driving deer/hog slayer good for about 250 yards as it is. If I need to reach farther than that, I'll go out with my 280 AI anyway. Also, the only rifle for which higher pressure loads is really an issue is the Norwegian Krag-Jorgensens. The Swedish small ring M96 is about as strong as any modern rifle.

@smokedbrisket3033 I'm using 153 grain Berger hunters and ar2206. Not sure what the American or hodges equivalent is of that powder . They are going at about 2740 . No sign of cartridge stresses. But all firearms are different. I'm using a modern rifle not an old military. Tika .

@@davidheath2427 - AR2206 is the same powder as Hodgdon Varget. Seems like kind of a fast powder for a 6.5 Swede. Anyway, I also have a T3X - a lefty. AFAIK, that's the only LH 6.5x55 made. Maybe JP Sauer makes one in LH, but they'd be the only other one. I'm surprised you aren't using Woodleighs, too. Didn't realize you're in Oz. I correspond with the owner every few months, super nice guy. They're not quite back to full production after their fire in...2021 or 2022? Can't remember now.

Check out the new 190 class monos.

Increasing bullet weight in the same cartridge does not give more energy.

​@@rishirajsaikia1323Yes, it does- if that heavier bullet has a higher BC and the proper powders are used to keep velocity up.

Rubbish. 30-06 with 110 Vmax. ...for the feels...and head removal.

@@anthonykgarland Hah! You know, there's always someone that take the conversation waaay tooo far. Heh heh heh, we need beers, Australia!

I agree you can kill anything on most contents the only way they do this is get something hot quit making ammo for the parent cartridge so they can sell guns

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Nice

I've not fired a 6.5mm CM, but I've used a 308 and 7mm-08 (which I find similar) surely the 6.5 would be less?

​@Verdigris. I've fired 7mm08 and 6.5 cm back to back, and yes, the cm has a bit less recoil in the real world. Not the kind of difference that I'd run and trade in my 7mm08 though.

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Pretty much the same except that, in a modern rifle like your Tika or my CZ, the significantly larger case capacity of the 6.5x55 allows it to be hand loaded to performance levels that the creedmore can't hope to match without dangerously over pressure loadings. The creedmore is on my list to pick up someday but my two 6.5x55s make that purchase very much not a pressing one.

@@jrunestad4508The only benefit of the Creedmore is that it is a short action cartridge, but the Tikka is only made in a long action so there is no benefit. If you are buying a Tikka the Swede is the better choice.

And Mauser/Sauer make multiple models of rifles for the old Swedish round, it is still a popular cartridge. I have a M18 on order.

Wholeheartedly agree. And 6.5x55 does all that 6.5 CM does, does it better, is easier to handload and much easier on the barrel. .243 Win. is probably one of the best 6mm ever. 6.5 CM is one of the best... marketing operations ever.

Video never suggested selling your old stuff, its clearly for new shooters as stated multiple times 😅

@IMPACTSHOOTING I have a bunch of young friends who are adamant. The new rounds are the best They didn't have grandpa's like I did

The 260 Remington is an awesome cartridge. It is easy to tune and can win matches!

The expected barrel life of the 7 PRC is near identical to the 7 Rem Mag (PRC has slightly lower poeder capacity, but slightly higher max pressure), the .300 PRC is only alightly lower expected barrel life over the .300 Win Mag. Ultimately, bore diameter, powder charge, powder burn temperature and the peak pressure are what determines barrel life. For many of these cartridges, their old school counterparts should have very similar expected barrel life.

​@@marcmoore4115No they don't; it is closer to 5k rounds.

@@BLKSMShooting if you take the 7 Rem Mag and 7 PRC, run both with the same bullet and powder, at the same velocity, the barrel life will be near identical. That's not an opinion, just how the science works. If you really want me to, I'll run all the cartridges through GRT and the barrel life estimator I have. Also, to rem mag or win mag having 5k barrel life... maybe if you shoot it extremely slowly and barely ever put proper heat into it. If you shoot a PRC the same way - then it will also have an extremely long barrel life.

Because no one is using a .277 caliber cartridge in any modern context. No one's shooting matches, no one's designing modern high BC bullets for it, and no one cares about the revamped 270WSM that Browning released a few years back. And I'm not even saying it's bad, I'm just saying I haven't seen ANYBODY except Hornady haters even mention the 6.8 western at all. The military has a hard-on for the 6.8 bullet diameter, but I think that's literally just because they looked at history and saw that when someone necked down the .30-06 to .270 they got better performance. Now they're hoping they can repeat history by necking down the cartridge that was literally supposed to be a 1:1 replacement for .30-06 but slightly smaller. For the record, one of my favorite cartridges ever is overshadowed on both sides by its competition. The 7mm-08 is looked at as a "women & children" cartridge by most .308 shooters, and it's seen as the old fudd round by many 6.5 shooters I've met, but it has a hidden ability that sadly can only be appreciated by a handloader. It can literally give the best of both worlds from its competition if properly handloaded. It can fire the same bullet weights as .308 which will have a higher BC than ANY 6.5 bullet, at still quite respectable velocities. I can shoot a 162-168gr bullet between 2600-2650 depending on powder choice that's available, and with those weight class of bullets I get 95-98% of the muzzle energy of a .308 and quickly overtake .308 after only 200yds and hold more energy at every range than 6.5 Creedmoor, while also maintaining drop and drift ever so slightly better than the Creedmoor (it's splitting hairs, but it's literally giving every benefit except for slightly lower frontal surface area of the .308 and also beating the .308 in the exact same ways a 6.5 does, with additional benefits. The .308 can launch heavier projectiles, but only at the cost of significantly lower velocity (to the point that not even the higher BC can salvage them at longer range) and with comparable BC bullets the Creedmoor is ever so slightly faster, but the 7mm is slightly higher BC which allows it tocatch up very quickly. I think if given the proper ammunition treatment the 7mm-08 is the best short action .308 family cartridge that exists, the problem is the VAST majority of loaded ammo is too light because people want as high velocity as possible. Coming from antiquated reasoning telling them that speed flattens trajectory (which it does, to a point, but we have technology now that allows us to correct for slightly more drop much more accurately while achieving much better performance through efficiency rather than raw brute force.

​@Kross8761 I agree. Love my 7mm-08

300 WSM smashes 30-06.......... while being a short action cartridge Also a cartridge known for its accuracy, holding multiple records in shooting competition ( including the smallest 10 shot group at 1k)

Yes, you can seat it longer, but Piet said this video is for factor guns and factory ammo, not reloading. When reloading you can change a lot

​ @theprfesssor True, but it uses a .545 bolt face and not a .475 bolt face. There isn't any 30 caliber SAAMI cartridges with a .475 bolt face that can equal the 30-06. Also the 300 WSM is limted on over all length with it being in a short action.

@@rodgerthackeray7978 There is 1 cartridge that can rival 30-06 and has a 475 base, that would be 30 Thompson Center it is a SAAMI cartridge......granted though it is effectively a dead cartridge...... nearly as dead as the company that made it ( rip Thompson Center )

@theprfesssor Yes, that does mimic factory loads. With handloads, the 30-06 is better by 150-200 fps.

Did you miss the part about this being for new shooters Sir?

@@IMPACTSHOOTING I don’t think that makes it any better lol. Encouraging new shooters to buy calibers that are both more expensive and harder to find isn’t any better

​@@IMPACTSHOOTINGit's just a boring commercial for newer calibers likely to be obsolete in a few years. The 30-06 is time proven and according to Boone and Crockett records, has more entries than any other cartridge on the North American continent. I'll still recommend anyone a 30-06 buying a new rifle.

@@timherrera363 they said the same thing about fax machines…

Because they think the 6.5 PRC is all that has ever been

We build them all the time - broke, set, held, more records than all the new junk combined.

So even as a hand loader why would I want to set aside loads/rifles I have spent hours upon hours developing that have killed game for years reliably to start all over with new reloading components that are hard to find and start that process all over again because somebody came out with a new whiz-bang cartridge. Im sure that many of these new cartridges do some things better than my old ones but dead is dead and I’m not starting over when I have something that works just fine.

If you need an intermediate recommendation, a 6.8 Western fits short action length with magnum bolt face (like 6.5 PRC). You get energies of heavy 30-06 with better ballistics. If it wasn't clear from the recommendations in the video, the classic long action case doesn't really fit the cartridge design trend because of its long aspect ratio. If you really need a standard bolt face long action cartridge, the closest one to the modern design sensibilities would be a 280 AI or 284 win, but i'm not sure if there are factory rifle offerings with the right twist (or even factory rifles whatsoever)

Hi Bruce, I think a lot of people missed the premise of this video sadly. Its for new shooters, Im not saying sell your rifles and buy these instead. And no, no affiliation to Hornady

@@IMPACTSHOOTING, Exactly how I received the video as a newcomer. I still and will always have my inherited classics in .243, .270 and .308 but I am sold on getting a modern cartridge in the safe. Thanks.

​@IMPACTSHOOTING even new shooters shouldn't be buying the new cartridges. Give them old reliables with affordable ammo and tell them to practice.

Here is the hint… they are doing it right…

Heres a hint i didnt ask you ​@@ewetho

Marketing gimmicks like high bc bullets and developed with optimal designs that are objectively superior to designs from when houses were cheap

@@TheGunNerd some truth there, but very few hunters can "outshoot" the gun they are shooting, i have not had one single whitetail or blackbear complain that the 30-06 i took them with wasnt efficient enough. been using the same 30-06 for hunting since i got it new in 1988. ammo is EVERYWHERE and cheap for the most part. have been shooting "big" 200+G bullets out of it no problems and it just plain works, why would i ever replace it ? so i can brag that the bullet is a 100fps faster...so i can spend more money on ammo if i can find it....nope..ah must be so that i can have the latest greatest flashy new gun... guns are not cell phones, shouldnt have to replace then every 2 years. my 30-06 is now 36 years old and shoots like day 1, gets about 20 shots a year, should last a easy 50 more years and be killing things just as dead then as it does now. so why would i ever change or recommend anybody not use a .243, 7MM rem mag, 30-06 or .308 or .270? they all work great for hunting.

@brian770 most more modern rounds are hitting harder at farther distances, and if you can shoot good at way over there, why use an underpowered round? 6 creedmoor provides all the good things about 243 except availability (but it's catching up, just slowly) and that can be remedied with buying ammo online. Same with 7 prc. If you're shooting things far enough away to need a magnum, you're going to benefit from 7 prc. I will say tho old cartridges aren't bad, but why use an old round when a more modern one has inherent benefits? 30-06 is great no doubt. For deer and bear inside of 300 yards it's wasted performance. While I can't see myself replacing my ar10 in 308 any time soon (30 cal rocks up close), 6.5 creed has less recoil, availability is catching up to the point it makes almost just as much sense to go with it for availability, and it hits significantly harder at extended ranges. 270 has performance similar to 6.5 prc, which has the same benefits over the older counterpart. Don't switch if you already have an older cartridge, but if you're in the market for a new rifle, why go with 300 win mag when you could go 300 prc?

😂 Now I can't un-hear it!

That’s incorrect, for my application anyway

@@IMPACTSHOOTING Yes and no. For me starting my PRS in Sweden the 6.5x55 is 1,1euro and 6.5cm 4euro. Here in Sweden the best route for begningers (what ive heard) is start with a 6.5x55 and when that barrel is dead buy a 6xc and start realoding. If we look at our feild shooting comp here 6.5x55 is the most used round. In summery would not say the 6.5cm is worth 4euro when you can shoot 6.5x55 for 1,1euro. and when starting to reload we can get 6xc for 0,7euro.

7mm08 is my favourite, but I think when he says 7mm in general is the goldilocks of calibres you can take that as a win. It’s just that 7prc is the newest. I think if you have any 7mm your on the board.

​@razz_nz4143 I mean the PRC is a replacement for 7Mag, 280 AI, maybe arguablybthe .270 ince there's barely a difference in bore diameter. 7mm08 is meant to get the job done with less powder, and if anyone is going to try and replace it would likely be AR-15 length, maybe something similar to a WSSM.

Good point regards powder. Never thought about how much you save with the 7mm08 and it still keeps up with some of the big cases.

@@Swampytheroot don’t forget 6mm Remington too

Jup boomers in the comments everywhere 🤣😂🤣

lol literally every precision shooting forum I've been on has said to buy a 223/22lr maybe 17hmr for practicing fundamentals unless you're rich. no one cares about what you choose to hunt with people still use spears and dead is dead. most of the modern calibers are competing for competition or military applications. in a match between 2 equally skilled shooters, the better round will win more times than not and for military applications you don't want someone lugging around a 338LM with 60 rounds of ammo when they could be using a 300 PCR with 100 rounds.