Why Porsche’s .1 and .2 model release is a genius strategy 

TLDR : on their base models Porsche staggers the release of a new engine with the one of a new chassis (.1 = new chassis and .2 = new engine) which limits the risk they are taking as there is never a car that is 100% new. Good video btw

It is the iPhone “S” model upgrade of the automotive industry.

I own both a 997.2 c2 and 991.1 c2. The 997.2 is a 3.6 and 991.1 is a 3.4. Power output is virtually the same though. Enjoyed your video. Thanks.

This is industry standard for most OEM's, but Porsche have definitely gotten it down to a tee. I worked on a project a while back and it was a big deal for the business because it was effectively a four year mid life facelift, but due to certain circumstances and politics we were only given two years to complete it. It was made even worse because this platform accounted for the majority of income for the business. Somehow we pulled it off, which I'm still pretty proud of.

FWIW, the base 991 is a 3.4. ✌🏼

I’m not rich so I bought a used 981 Boxster S with the 9A1 engine. It’s a fantastic car. Been almost trouble free with a few very minor glitches and is an extremely well designed and built car. All the parts are designed to be accessible for maintenance and repair unlike pretty much every other brand, they are robust durable and reliable cars besides being incredible to drive

I swear, they intentionally make .1 not look as good as they can, to save it for .2. Like this 991.1 tail lights. Or 997.1 gt3 spoiler. Or 991.1 gt3 front bumper. I do like the 997.1 overall though…I like atlas grey 997.1

wow, just found this channel, and I'm amazed. Keep it out

Thats literally just the name for the Facelifts. Almost every manufactorer has a facelift midcycle, Porsche doesnt really do anything different here. Calling it "Submodels" is comical, its literally just a facelift, like BMW calls theirs LCI, Mercedes Modellpflege etc etc

I actually didn’t know this. Thank you!

Simply elegant

New sub from the FB group. Good shit

I guess most manufacturers I can think of do this. BMW did it with the first Z4 E85 using the M engines from the E46 range and when the LCI came out they introduced the N engines, which the newer E90 range used and the newer E89 Z4 as well. Same with 1 series 135i with the N54 for the pre face-lift and then updated it to the N55 for the LCI, which was carried over to the M235I F22 2 years later, and then F22 got the B58 when its LCI came out and now the current 2 series still uses an updated B58, and so on.

This is a similar strategy to BMW, they refresh their engines in the facelift model. In the E46, they switched from the M52 to the M54, in the E90 they did this in the diesel engines and in the F30 they switched from the N family to the B family, which they still use today in the G20 LCI. But Porsche seems to do this in a more strict fashion, almost like clockwork.

What an excellent video. I guess I’m one of the oddballs but I can easily tell .1 from .2. I never realized m about a new model with an old engine - great callout !

So staggered chassis and engine, cool

Great video

Very interesting video 👍If only Porsche had followed this advice when Launching the Taycan model. The early versions were plagued with mechanical, electrical & software issues.

Good video

They are very thoughtful of emptying your pockets too

Hi, I liked the video. That chart of models and engines looks to be a very handy reference. Is there a web link which you can share?

Im literally waiting to see the 992.2 and how crazy that will be lol

BMW does this too e.g. e90 335d pre lci had an m57 while the lci had an n57. Then the f30 generation got the n57 and the lci 340d got the new b57 and so on

I manage a supply chain for a large and well known automotive manufacturer and I can tell you it almost exclusively boils down to cost and supply chain constraints. It would be virtually impossible to come out with a new vehicle or existing vehicle with major changes every year. If it were to happen, your average car would be costing around the same as a house.

Another excellent video Vince, keep them coming!

They should bring back the A, B nomenclature, like that used on 356 models. 992B rolls off the tongue better than "992 dot two".

991.1 was a true change compared with 991.2. NA models all became turbos.

I used to say Im not a big fan of Porsches, but having been in multiple cars, and driven a few of them, coupled with this video, I think it has solidified my passion for Porsche cars! Thank you! I did not even know they had specific models with the "dot" numbering system, very cool!

I know I’m in the minority on this, but as far as liquid cooled 911s goe the 991.1 is my favorite design. Just for the standard cars, not turbo, or GT or special edition. I think they’ve aged very gracefully

Was the 912 in the 60’s the “type .1” of the original 900 series? Did it use the 4 from the 356?

Boxster was a new car that premiered over 25 years ago

how can i find that excel with every model and engine code?

All I know is always wait for xx.2!!!

This is also what Apple did with the iPhone, the "s" models were significant improvements and then the non-"s" were only a re-bodied version of the previous "s". 5 was not that different from the 4s, 6 not that different from 5s, 7 not that different from 6s, you get the idea. But people always say the "s" models were the ones that had small upgrades, even though it was the other way around. I think this is how people would feel about the 911 generations, thinking it's the .1 that offers a brand new car even though it's arguably the .2.

The 993 had a standard and later varioram engine without calling it 993.1 and 993.2. It`s the exact same system as British cars use Mk1 , Mk 2 etc etc

Fun fact, the 991.1 3.4 engine was an all new engine while the 3.8 in the S was a carry over from the 997.2.

Its what I call Progression...

I had no idea that the engines are only updated on .2 cars, now I get the hype. Great video!

Any thoughts on why Porsche had a 2.7 in the 987.1, then a 2.9 in the 987.2 and then went back to a 2.7 in the 981.1...?

I like my silver 911… I almost got the forest green.

Is there a 996.1 using the air cooled metzger engine?

What about the Cayenne when it debuted and Macan and the electric Macan? The Carrera GT, or 918 spyder? Speaking in absolutes about a business model that's well documented, and easily disproven...... Seems ill advised.

Thank you. Actually 997 was the last 911 powered by a Porsche motor. Since 991 , 911 embeded a volkwagen motor and the business strategy as well.

Toyota Prados use this engineering strategy

In other words, product lifecycle extension tactics

Get rid of old problem - IMS. Introduce new problem - cylinder scoring.

More than risk management. This way, your products are kept fresh and interesting and get regular exposure in the press/internet over the life cycle. It is not just new engines. PDK was brought in as a mid-cycle upgrade in the 987 and 997 models.

what about the GTs .1 and .2?

Awesome cideo

tik-tok release similar to Intel

It just means post facelift and after facelift.

For godsakes it's not 'dot', it's 'point'.

.1 was released because .2 just wasn’t ready

Wow, it looks just a 1977!

.2 are usually more reliable as .1 problems are corrected or re-engineered. They are also slightly more powerful, and introduce new tech (pdk with 997, turbo with 991, hybrid with 992)…and the options list gets even longer😢.

My 991.1 GTS was a 3.8 litre. I'm sure all the 991.1 Carreras were 3.8?

Well… “a couple of years later” doesn’t apply to the 992, since it’s been released in 2019 and the 992.2 is expected for the end of 2024 or 2025, 5-6 years later. Hybridization is coming.

Give me 1 premium brand that DOESN'T use facelifts...

I love 991.2 best gen

996 and 997, 991 and 992…Porsche uses the same chassis for two generations

991.1 for me, NA sound is not replaceable!

I think Porsche learned this from Toyota.

6:05 Unfortunately, I can't say the same about my 987 Boxster when it comes to 'Engineering and Quality', which obviously did not adhere to the .1 .2 philosophy. I bought it new when it was just released. After 40,000 kilometers, the engine crashed internally due to the infamous IMS issue, which even some 911s experienced. This was due to poor engineering from Porsche. Because my car was just out of the default warranty period, Porsche did nothing to address the issue. A bricked car, very disappointing.

i.e., they walk, and not hop.

I got a 991.1 Turbo S. I love it but is it worth selling and buying a .2 because of the facelift? How about reliability?

this couldve been 3-4 mins long

you frinking out ? wait until you track Tesla updates during the lifetime of its cars. the model 3 had at least 20 majors updates in less than 7 years. battery, chassis, motors, etc... crazy ? it's because they wok in AGILE mode in a continuous integration continuous development

Porsche meatrider discovers the concept of the mid-cycle refresh:

Yes and here's me with a 997 turbo (atlas grey) not dot 1 or dot 2, but a dot 1.5 2010 car with a mezger engine.

A bit of a far-fetched theory. First of all, every car manufacturer does it - facelifting. Secondly, in the current generation, the facelifted model, i.e. 992.2 in the basic and S versions, will probably have the same engine as now (3.0 turbo), only with slightly more power.

Brah, it's a facelift, every manufacturer does it.

Meanwhile the last 4 generations of Golf GTI from the MK5 is using the same engine and only 2 different chassis

Dude, its just a facelift. EVERY manufacturer does this lmao

Holden did it first

it has nothing to do with risk management, they use this method to give some excuse to hike list prices anything from 10 to 20 %, so to artificially inflate the used market prices., But now Porsche 911, which is a simple sports car comparable to a ludicrous overpriced corvette, pricing is into supercar territory and prices will crash any moment.

The quality of the video made me think you have 300k subs, but you waffled around a lot. so many words without any real meaning, try to refine your script to not say the same thing over and over and don't use useless sentences. Waters the quality of the video down by a lot. Sometimes i was just sitting there thinking: What is this about now? What is he saying? Where are we? Basically the whole video could have been summed up in one sentence. I know you don't need to do that, but use clarifying sentences summarizing, and then go on in detail. You lose me when you start with detail, but until the very end fail to make clear that .1 and .2 are so not the entire car is new, nut the engine or the design. And with the gt3 i did not catch the difference at all. Try to view the video also from the perspective of a car enthusiast but not porsche expert, because that is what is needed to understand this video fully.

This WAS the development strategy of the past. Porsche’s current and future strategy is a blend of woke corporate management and EU bureaucrat climate insanity. They now hate consumers that want ICE cars and plan to force EVs down their throats. Sure, they still make 911s - but in greatly reduced numbers such that the business model is akin to Rolex watches - where dealers don’t have new stock on hand to meet market demand. Instead, the limited quantity of 911s are sold off to speculators that have bribed their way into an allotment- typically by buying a number of EVs that no one wants. Then, the speculators thrash the cars for a few hundred miles of endless launch controlled burn-outs and donuts for RU-vid content. After which, they sell the cars to another speculator, RU-vid auto influencer, - OR - BACK TO THE DEALER! This is why when you go to try and buy a new 911 at a dealer you don’t find any new cars - instead- you see a bunch of used inventory with a few hundred miles on them - after being abused as described above. And, because the Porsche EVs are sitting on the dealers new car lot rotting from lack of demand, Porsche has also jacked up the pricing for 911s - gouging ICE customer to compensate for EV revenue and profit losses. The whole deal is sad and is completely unnecessary. I went from a 40 year loyal customer to a “Porsche is dead to me advocate for other brands…”

You said the same thing over and over again for 8 minutes.

Ho hum, boring! the same ugly design for decades.

They all looks the same...always

Just finished some of your other videos. Great commentary on the brand and especially the ownership. Just drive the damned thing. Very well done.

991 looks far better than 992. 991 is best looking 911 after the 993. Great content.