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REAPER! Affordable, well coded, efficient use of resources, no limited due to license type, supports many standards, very stable, customisation, the list goes on. It's a pity the competitors are so status quo in the industry now.
Protools isn't ancient looking. It has ancient workflow. NO decent drum replacing methods unless you pay for Slate trigger, Soloing is a pain and other basic things. And they dare to ask so much money! Damn if you are the industry standard you OWE to have all the latest features (cough*folders*cough) and not implement them after decades. But you guys offer them free marketing and the virus spreads... They deserve to get pirated so that they learn not to cling on brand recognition.
nothing come close to Pro Tools for a seriouse mixing engineer, it is made for mixing not production, if you want seriouse production tool IMO Ableton is the best specially for electronic music, the most of guys who are against pro tool argue about what you are saying in your coment, yes it is OK but you don´t know all the things you can do with pro tools than none of the other DAWs can do
I've been using cubase since sx3, every year i try pro tools and wonder why in the world its the industry standard, the workflow on sx3 is better than current pro tools.
I don't use pro tools myself, but Fruity loops, Cubase and now also studio one. I've seen allot switch over from pro tools to studio one cause it came them more option, whats tour take on studio one?
I been using sonar 8.5 studio and sonar 8 for about 10 years and i think i wana switch to a daw that hav better cleaner vocals quality. Am not the best When it come to mixing vocals its hard for me .is protools good and easy for mixing clean vocals?
BTW, Studio one has software built into it so you can use a touch screen and make it work like the Raven. I'm using a touch screen with Protools right now and love it since I come from the days of working on Neve and Harrison consoles. However it would be nice to get the features for my touch screen Studio one provides!
Reaper + a nice theme like White Tie Imperial + some time customizing the DAW to perfectly fit your ideal workflow (like shortcuts, hotkeys, custom scripts, etc. There's a great community if you ever need help achieving whatever the heck you want with it.) Once the above is set, no other DAW will even come close. Seriously, it gets to the point where the limitations of other DAWs like Protools look laughable to you.
This video explains exactly my thoughts, I use primarily Logic Pro X, but there are this things about pro tools that I always miss, and don’t get me started when I’m working on sound post production.
You didn't answer the question you posed in the title - I was interested to understand why you consist pro tools as better as I'm a logic user and have never tried pro tools
Tell me how protools comes out on top? What did you not find in Studio One?I have protools and put $1000 into it total.Studio one seems to have everything the same and is way better as far as work flow. Reaper may be jist as good but workflow gets it done quickly. Warning, if you have protools HD or one of the other hardware pieces they write for in native you're ok. If you are using native with some other hardware, like I am doing, good luck.I just love that out of CPU memory error.Changing from a 44.1 mix to 96 is fun also! Maybe they have improved that but $300.
Pro Tools is an addiction... It's shitty, but if it works, after it has emptied you wallet, it's like driving a very fine car... I made this video last year, I'm discovering a lot of new DAW's right now and I'm also discovering a lot of new features I never knew I would need...
Cool. thanks for the reply. I never got notified. Anyways, I feel the same way. I was just wondering. I don't want to spend more money and have found the work arounds.I do plan on buying Studio one at sometime in the future. That DAW is really looking good. You almost don't need a template the way it operates!
So why would you say protools it is the best?`I was using protool at my mediaschool 6 years ago and didn´t like it, i tried ableton,logic and recently studio one and i think i´ll stay with studio one. Easy to use, stable and i like the sound.
You're used to it, so if you try something new you need to learn new things, and those take time. Still, like many others here I recommend you to try Reaper, little by little in your free time.
I highly recommend Reaper. It's pretty much the only DAW that isn't plagued by compatibility and stability issues. It's updated, like, every other day and the developers work tirelessly to keep it functional. On several occasions I had submitted bug reports that got resolved within days. That's a level of attention no other developer has demonstrated to me, personally.
I have tried every other DAWS out there but i keep on falling back to pro tools,i do all my midi work in Abletion but i do my vocal recordings, editing,mixing and mastering in Pro tools,i love the clean interface of pro tools,what you see is what you get,it feels just like working in an analog desk,it is what it is guy,i hate Avid but i just cant be without Pro tools,i have studio one,cubase Reaper installed in my computer but i dont use them,studio one,cubase and the rest of them for me have got too many things going on,i just want a clean interface to work with
I've worked in graphic design studios for many years and pretty much every one of them used Adobe graphics programs on Macs. I used ProTools for a few years, but when Logic Pro became available, I found was much more user-friendly and very similar in feel and workflow to my Adobe Mac programs so I switched over. I'm very happy with Logic Pro. Also, you buy it once and all updates are free.
I understand what you’re meaning by “addiction” The first DAW I really got into was logic 4 on windows. When they were bought by Apple I was pissed, but I kept on with Logic 5 for a few years until eventually switching... (after switching I was amazed at what other DAWs offered... but they didn’t feel right) Until 2014 when I got a Mac and immediately bought Logic Pro X. I felt like I was coming back home.
Agree with you. I love Pro Tools for mixing/editing/producing/master. But for midi programing, I choose Logic. I've seen Cubase and it's very good too. At the end of the day, depends of how comfortable you feel.
as unpopular as this opinion is, i also keep coming back to pro tools. it was the first daw i used (alongside garageband). i also have spent a good bit of time with logic (back at v7), ableton 6-9, and tinkered with reaper & dp. but i can edit super fast in pt, i have already invested in great AAX plugins (soundtoys & mcdsp primarily) and especially versions 12.4 / 12.5.2 are super stable on my system. i still dip over to ableton sometimes but i always get weird clicks even at high buffer settings. PT is solid & sounds great, and the fact that it's kinda boring means i don't think about my daw & just get to making music!
I am Studing Media Enginerring and i musst say protools is not my choice because with cubase its a lot easier to replace drums an edit timing and correct vocals on the fly thats very cool also mixing is a lot easier but i musst say i like the cutting tools in Protools but the rest i also have in cubase and some benefits
I mix for a living so I have to use Pro Tools (12) constantly and I know it inside out. But I also get a lot of mixes in Logic now. So I end up using them back to back often on alternate days. Doing this over a period of time gives me a really clear feature for feature comparison. You can't really do that until you know both DAWS inside out. I actually think Logic is now (as of 10.3) a significantly better DAW than Pro Tools on almost every level. Why? - It has far more sophisticated automation editing. - More sophisticated audio editing is superior on a number of levels. - Logic automatically creates auxs when you select a new bus in a send, that saves a lot of clicks. - Logic's aux soloing is, like cubase's, way superior to PT saving hundreds of mouse clicks per day. - Hit the CPU to hard in Logic, no problem, just keep on going. In PT Native you have to go into a menu and reset every time, crazy. - Unlike PT Native Logic has no plugin delay compensation limit. - Unlike PT Native Logic no track limit. - This means huge mixes are not a matter of compromise in Logic like they are in PT. - Logic now has playlists, but it also has take folders, and track folders (a huge advance over PT), track stacks and much more, all huge time savers. - Logic has 64 bit summing. - Logic is significantly more CPU efficient than PT native, allowing way more plugins. - Logic opens big sessions much faster. - Logic bounces in about a quarter of the time as PT. - THIS IS A BIGGIE, Logic has a user library of effects chains (with stored parameters in each effect) with a single click. When I mix in Logic for a day, this one feature saves me at least an hour and reduces mouse clicks by the hundreds compared to PT. - THIS IS THE OTHER BIGGIE, In Logic you can organise your plugins anyway you like. So I have the plugin menu organised with my goto EQs, my goto compressors, my saturators etc.. all under headings of my choice, only showing the plugins I choose to have in there. I cannot even begin to explain how much time this saves during a day of mixing compared to PT. All these things and more make mixing in Logic way faster, with less mouse clicks, so less tiredness and more concentration on what your hearing in a mix. There's really no comparison when you actually use both of them side by side as much as I do.
- More sophisticated audio editing is superior on a number of levels. I think most PT users would despute this including myself. This is what Pro Tools is known for. - Logic automatically creates auxs when you select a new bus in a send, that saves a lot of clicks. I actually found this feature of Logic extremely annoying. If I want an aux I'll bring one up. - Logic has 64 bit summing. Pro tools has had this since version 11. Logic has an ugly GUI and horrible mix window. And why are you so obsessed about mouse clicks and time saving. Honestly it takes no time at all to bring up an aux or an fx plugin. How can you be creative working at the break neck speed you seem to have to work at?
+1 on getting info the video did not give .. but the title of the video did not promise a comparison. It only promised to explain why PT ... but it didn’t really explain why in a way that I would call complete.
I agree with you on all counts. Logic has ProTools beat by a mile. But REAPER is even better. Once you know it inside and out, going back to a project in Logic is like a trip through hell. Seriously. I had to do that a few months ago, and I just ended up bringing everything into REAPER and starting over. It was faster. Anyone who tells you REAPER can't do anything that Logic or ProTools can (other than make fake drummers that sound pretty real) simply doesn't know it well enough. REAPER is so customizable, that, once you get it tailored to your needs, it's like a bespoke Armani suit compared to a $75 Walmart special.
For me, the reason Pro Tools wins over the other DAWs is the Beat Detective function. I don't like, if a song is well played, to completly quantize the drums, expecially in alternative/indie record. But if you work with radiophonic pop song, or, at the other extreme, with speedy metal song, the stardard is to quantize all and (tell me if I'm wrong) PT has the fastest way to do this tedious job. Another reason can be related to the fact that the super professionals who can afford all the connected Avid harware system can take advantage of the Pro Tools board that takes his CPU load on itself and the system is more reliable. What do you think aboout it ?
Depends what you mean by great. It does everything that a DAW is supposed to plus it's extremely expandable, Comes with a few awesome sounding plugins, It's only 10 MB to install! And here's the best part, It costs 60$ for Reaper version 5 and all the regular updates are free of charge up to version 6.99. The demo is fully functional btw, You got nothing to lose. cheers
Reaper has a lot of initial customization headaches to get over, but it's really set-it-and-forget-it. You can customize the hotkeys to be exactly like any other DAW. I think I spent, like, three hours a year ago configuring the hotkeys, macros, and modifiers to be like Logic when I was making the switch. I haven't had to worry about any customization since then, and it's been fine.
I love how much can be achieved with drag and drop in REAPER. Plus every configuration can be exported as a config file, So you access your customized REAPER simply with a double click. I switched to reaper 4 years ago. Took me around a week to fall in love with it.
Why I don't use Pro Tools anymore and have switched to REAPER: Pro Tools is a system that aims to emulate a traditional analog console setup, so the engineers used to that way of working don't have a steep learning curve using it. Reaper is a piece of software that aims to be the most useful, stable and versatile tool for audio (and video) work. I'm not hating on PT, it's the first system I learnt and I have fond memories, but I only see limitations by the way it's built. On REAPER, I only see unlimited possibilities by the way it's built.
The end goal is producing great music. Each person is unique, and methods are not as important as the final song / production. Learning curves, modern/ancient DAW, relate to an engineer’s personality. I continue with Pro Tools after more than a decade, and for me it remains enjoyable. If $$$ is an issue, sure...go with less costly DAWs. Don’t let ‘sophistication’ and ‘learning curve’ issues scare you. Whichever DAW you get...study it well and write some good MUSIC. I’ve looked at other DAWs such as Studio One 4, but none stir me enough to jump ship from Pro Tools.
AVID began with 2 guys: a Harvard Business School guy and an MIT technical genius. I worked for them during the time they acquired DigiDesign (mid-90's). We used Mac OS 7.1/7.5 on Quadra towers ...& 2GIGA-byte external drives were the current miracle. re: t'day (2020) I'm in the same boat as you, so my current solution is that I'm happy on my plateau of PT 12.8 (iMac Sierra)... no upgrade plan, but a decent perpetual license.
Hi! I’m sorry but I didn’t understand this video….is protools the best or not? You said a lot of this you didn’t like about it but still you say it was the best software. Please do a video telling what you like in protools that you can’t do in something else. I’d love to see that.. I started on protools when it just came out with digi01 upgraded to the HD system with the works.. I have them collecting dust in the garage now, and I’m using Logic Pro.. Sometime I might get files in protools and I got to new paid out right protools just for that. Apart from all the expensive Reasons that pushed me away from protools, In my setup I have a trackpad in my left hand and the mouse in the right, when I’m editing it’s all about clicks and pinch….. protools don’t pinched… it’s 2022 and a DAW don’t pinch… I’ll say no more… nuff love and respect anyway.
So protools doesn't do free upgrades if you buy it outright?? That's crazy. No wonder so many beatmakers use FL. I'm personally going to try out protools first because a version of it came with my MIDI keyboard bundled with some extra plugins. However when the time comes to invest in a DAW, I may as well just get FL studio since I just make beats. At least with them you get lifetime free upgrades.
Reaper. I agree with most of the comments. Maybe you should consider it. I have not heard recently anyone who has switched from anything to pro tools but I hear often about switches from. Pro tools to reaper and others like cubase, but especially reaper. Reaper users stick with reaper for so many reasons and its not only the price at all. Something funny about a low price I as that people think it must be inferior if it costs so little, but in this case that it not true. There are so many people getting into using DAWs because how cheap it is these days to set up a pro studio, so developers do not have to overcharge like Avid does. I wonder how Avid can get new users these days with reaper being around for $60 with no loss of features and reaper is arguably better. I have not heard one reason to go with pro tools over reaper except if you get hired by a pro tools studio, and those jobs are becoming more and more impossible to find. Please give me one reason that a new producer should go with pro tools over reaper, just one besides the big studio thing.
A few misconception here. If you buy the permanent license you get a full year of updates, so no it wont stop working after 5 months. By the way, your dongle key with logic pro.. is your apple computer.. Nuendo and Cubase use their own usb key as dongle also. Get used to it, it's still the safer version and avid/ the plugin makers with Ilok are now offering other ways to authorize your licenses. Let's talk about the other versions of pro tools, well beside logic, did you know that every other daw out there (well except reaper) have different versions that varies in prices and the more you pay the more options you have? If you want more factual information you can contact me on the DUC.avid.com under Emcha_audio Personally I'm using PT HD and studio one 3 together. One for editing/mixing and recording live instruments or vocals, the other to work midi.
The only thing that worries me is the protools audio engine , is it as good as reaper or seqoia or logic , the rest we can deal with , i have been using protools for over 12 years,
Wait...I think I just don't understand your comment. You are worried about PT's engine but have been using it for over 12 years. And you compare it with Reapers or Logic's engine as if you haven't been a PT user but a Reaper user...Can you explain that once again?
Johannes Mazur i want to know , in comparsion , which play back engine is better , between the daws, in sound quality , overall how the engine works , i have never used reaper nor logic , but i think , i can notice the difference ,each daw has its own color or style
Ruben Balli ahaa okay, thank you for explaining. Now I see what you mean. I know that Reaper's engine is among the best (and everything runs with 64 bit internal resolution), but in the end this means nothing. I guess if Micheal Jackson mixed his greatest hits from the 80ies in Apple's "Garageband" it still would sound great. (yes, MJ was indeed a very talented mixing engineer.) I think people nowadays wrap their minds too much around technical questions and issues and don't focus on creative solutions to get the sound right from the beginning. ;-) whatever works for you will be good enough. the rest is about talent and ears.
i tried pro tools while studying in collage for 2 years, after i finished i switched to studio one also for 2 years. turned out it was bad choice so i went back to pro tools and it is extremely best daw so far .... believe me stick with pro tools is only software you need.
You know what sold me in Cubase over ProTools I still use both but Cubase has tempo detection.. I didn't like Sonar platinum Ibut once I tinkled with it better than I thought.. Home studios- presonus, reaper Composers-Cubase Industry- proTools Heavy metal -sonar platinum Beat & loops-FL studio EDM-reasons Apple products -logic??? All these DAW's are versatile but target some genres better than most... I am a producer and no matter what DAW they in front of me is never personal I smacked it up and flip it down .. but I got to say ProTools is very reliable when use with a Mac or wit Apple and avid products ..don't limit yourself we know you married to ProTools but .it ain't gonna hurt to sneak out the door sometimes✌🏼
Protocols industrial quality the only downside is the midi features and lack of vst support if they dump aax and support vst 64 all the others will be dead and if they upgraded their midi GUI like reason cubase or logic they will be light years ahead of other daws
I realize this"ProTools" video is from back in 2017, however my question was valid then, and still relative today. Why does no one talk about Cakewalk, which I've been using for 20(?) years, AND now it's free. No one I talk to send to like or promote PT, and I think it's likely #1 only because it's #1. It's it's like the Kardashians 😀
Hey everyone, i'm using Cubase SX3. On Windows XP. Yes, i'm writing this in January of 2019. No, i'm not planning to upgrade; i do have the money for upgrade.
When I had my studio in Austin I had a full Pro Tools HD rig along with a decked out Nuendo/Cubase rig. My clients used to bring in projects that were started on ProTools for me to mix. It was mainly a mixing/mastering facility. More times than I can remember, I would heal their tracks in ProTools and transfer the raw audio stems into Nuendo/Cubase. Then I would simply push 'play' and watch their reaction... it was not uncommon for them to say things like "Wow, what did you do? Everything is so clear!". When I told them I merely loaded their files into Nuendo/Cubase many times they quickly changed their DAW. Yes, there IS a difference in the sound of DAWs.
I do the same exact thing most of the times everybody got ProTools -I do use ProTools though I brought plug-ins that I didn't want to go to waste--I mix it right in Cubase pro and my clients are flabbergasted by the sound quality of Cubase .. i've been to Australia Europe and Korea they all use Cubase they looked at me crazy when I mentioned ProTools .. and all I did was defend ProTools when I use all of them ... Nuendo is a very powerful DAW along side Wave lab
Agreed. The workflow of Cubase and Nuendo is way faster than Pro Tools. About 4x clicks less for every function in Pro Tools. Not to mention all the functions it has that Pro Tools doesn't even have or steals 10 years later like Clip Gain which we had in 2005 and these new 'track presets' that we also had 10 years ago.
First off, I really dig your channel. On the topic, it looks like AVID's subscription policy is even worse than Adobe's. I didn't know that. Of course it's hard to argue with a de facto industry standard, but in an ideal world people would f*cking _boycott_ it - no matter the product and how great it supposedly is (and I argue that all things considered, no DAW is that much better than any other).
i have Studio one but i hate the Recording Sound on Vocals... it sounds not good ...yesterday i have installed reaper and it sound better ... wtf ..i thouht all Daws are sounding the same?!?!?! now i am on the run and watch Pro Tools or Cubase ... Reaper was really ugly ...
So happy for you that you're using REAPER. I know you're still saying you're getting used to it, but if you just invest a little time customizing macros and learning some of it's advanced features, you will get rewarded with 3x as much productivity. Say NO! to iLok! Say NO! to Avid! ProTools and Logic, in fact every DAW besides DP, feels like swimming through cement once you get REAPER set up. No limits, great price, excellent features, surprisingly powerful plugins, and TWO FULL VERSIONS with your purchase! ProTools is now playing catch up to REAPER, and with them being the first serious DAW to release a Linux build (the Windoze 32 bit version runs great under Wine in Linux and I sometimes even use it on my Mac if the native version is busy rendering), it's definitely the future. What am I saying? It's already king! Yes, you do have to spend some time customizing it for your workflow, but once you do, people using other DAWs can't keep up. Plus, it runs great on old hardware, so no need to buy Apple's new garbage. We all win with REAPER.
12 has track freeze & consolidation, absolute necessities for me! bought a perpetual license which has lapsed but i'm still hanging out on 12.5.2 anyway because i like it best.
REAPER. damn man, you missed out the best DAW out there. and IF you try Reaper, give it some time of learning. I'm doing that audio thing for a long time, longer than you, and I had them all. ProTools, Cubase, Logic, Live, Ardour, Mixbus....Believe me, no, believe US! and give Reaper an honest try. And give yourself the chance to LEARN Reaper. Justin Frankel is a coding genius.
probably sounds like a stupid reason but reaper is ridiculously ugly, and the fx window feels ancient. the price and value is ridiculous, it just doesn't feel intuitive or beginner friendly. if im staring at a screen for hours, looking at meters and knobs, i'd rather it look nice.
Strongly disagree with you, bud. Reaper is the best bang for your buck. It's an incredibly fantastic software for the price of a Reaper license, but that doesn't take away from Pro Tools being basically number one. Pro Tools however is way more expensive and has a much larger learning curve, but it rewards a skilled hand and those that use a DAW for their career simply because of the fact that Pro Tools is currently the industry standard and the shear power behind the malleability it gives you over your tracks. If you want to learn how to produce music and want a friendly learning curve, pick Reaper. If you want malleability and have an actual career in the field, pick Pro Tools. Both work great for different reasons, neither are bad.
For all who dont understand. What hes saying IS. PROTOOLS IS THE BEST BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE BEST. There are alot of REALLY good cheaper alternatives that are ALMOST as good!! P.S consider your operating system, and what brandname you like to use for your equipment when choosing a daw cause this can be important!!! choose wahts right for YOU and YOUR operating system and YOUR equipment. Also some softwares are better for certain things. fruity loops is great for dubstep and hip hop but will never have the live recording capabilities of something like protools!
upgrade your protools!!!!! i cant work without clip gain lol, I use ableton now though, but mostly because i cant afford everything needed for a good protools set up, like an avid card and all that jazz. I prefer protools work flow to abletons but now that im getting quite use to ableton im able to do all the same stuff, and abletons use of sampling and stuff has changed how i song write a lot. I like to experiment with different DAWs just to change shit up and come up with new ideas. Fuck FL though.. lol
Cubase all the way..it is because you didn't test it. However if you dont like the usb licenser. Look for other options. End of the day Tools doesnt produce music on its own.. So farrr...
