Why Reina won the reaudition- band geek commentary- Hibike! Euphonium 

She probably didn't want to be there also. She would rather Reina just go. Probably even resenting Yuuko for putting her through that. Yuuko always thinks she makes people happy when she puts others in a lot of turmoil. Kaori and Mizore.

@@malaysabolehpsy I don’t think so. Of course she knew that Reina was better, but that was her os year, besides the fact that happened the year before. She was “forced” but she’d also wanted to play the solo. But at the very end, as in the auditions, who plays the better gets to play at the presentation. So, as much as she wanted to solo, she wanted more to succeed, cause after those two years, that was the first and only time that she had to actually compete

I kinda feel like she didn't want to go out without a fight, even if it was sort of Yuuko who pushed it. She did practice the solo after Reina was selected so it would make sense if in her heart she still hoped to change the outcome.

warpatato i don't know if you already found that video over the past 4 months but i'll send the link anyway. same uploader as for this video btw :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o5bu7p1DiN8.html

The video has sadly been taken down.

They use a regular musician for Kaori and the top Japanese trumpet player for Reina.

Ok so I know I'm a year late, but from what I read in a translated staff interview Kaori's trumpet player was the top trumpet in the Senzoku Gakuen Freshman Ensemble (the group that plays for Kitauji's band), while Reina's trumpet player was from a professional Japanese orchestra. All in all though, the freshman trumpet player still does an amazing job!

I was impressed by how poor the performance was at the opening of the first season. It must take serious work for professionals to adjust their performances to be just bad enough but not terrible.

LING LING VS KOUSAKA REINA WHO WOULD WIN???

@@takinoborudesu no, slappers would win :D

Yep, 40 Hours a day. That's sounds legit

She was pretty much guaranteed to get it otherwise? That's harsh brah...

@@zoushuuIf Reina was out of the picture, it’s guaranteed that Kaori will be doing the solo. Kaori is their top trumpet player (excluding Reina ofc) and it’s her third and final year of high school. The seniority rule played a big part in both seasons of the shows, and the 2nd year movie, it’s also the reason why Kumiko was always the observer (her experience with her senior from middle school); why Nozomi left the club. Kaori sacrificing her chance to perform the solo is quite frankly the turning point in all of these characters’ development.

same

Same here

sorry about that! unfortunately music is an art form that exists within the structure of time, and i wanted comments to pop up during the spot they're addressing... so i wasn't sure how to work with that. but someone on tumblr gave me good advice for doing it better next time!

taki-noboru desu either pause the music or scroll and highlight the relevant commentary as it happens

I had to watch it a few times to catch up lol

PC10K I have zero knowledge in playing instruments but can u help with with an explaination What is breaking note?

And taper

@@deltaed3517 Well they're not "musician" terms - just Enlgish - but I can give you some background on why it's important. The video doesn't mention "breaking note" but mentions "breaking the phrase" and "cracking a note" so I'm not sure which you mean. Cracking a note is pretty self-explanatory but I can go into the physics of it. A trumpet works by the player vibrating (buzzing) their lips at the exact frequency required to produce the pitch. Often times (even professionals) may sometimes crack a note, which is when the player doesn't play the right frequency for a note and so another note comes out until they adjust. Breaking the phrase is a little more subtle, but just like in lyrical music, instrumental music has phrases. Try singing the American national anthem "Oh say can you see" but take a breath between 'can' and 'you'. Honestly this gets a little subjective, but mature musicians will make more conscious decisions about how they break up the music to breathe, while younger musicians, with less breath control, will be more in survival mode and breathe where they need to. Tapering is just getting softer at the end of a note. It's pointed in this video because it's definitely a conscious decision on the part of the player. Again, it can be subjective on whether it makes it better, but I agree with the poster that it enhances the phrase. Little things like that often aren't written out explicitly in the music, and the musician has some freedom to interpret it.

Matthew Whaley wats slurring I can hear the difference but how is it harder

Japaneseplease

REINA TOO OP

Speaking as a musician who's done professional recording sessions, I think it probably was really easy for the trumpet players to do this scene! Reina's solo was played by THE top trumpeter in Japan, and Kaori's was done by the top high school trumpter in Japan (to my knowledge). Probably they did a quick meet-and-greet with the professional trumpet and the lucky trumpet kid, then the directors probably gave the musicians a lot of leeway on how to record since they know their own instruments best. The student and the professional probably talked about what makes one solo better than the other, then they just went ahead and recorded and that's it.

@@takinoborudesu That's actually really cool, this show is honestly fucking amazing, love it to death

@@takinoborudesu I wonder if, after that learning opportunity, the high schooler would be able to apply some of the more refined techniques the pro used

I watched it with pretty shitty speakers, but the difference was crystal clear to me.

I agree, it's hard to learn these things without a pro guiding you. The main difference between Reina and Kaori: Kaori: "Wow, solo. Lots of hard notes. Gotta learn them all correctly in the right order. Yeah I can do that now. Now I'll add some dynamics and emotion. Okay, good to go." Reina: "Okay, my solo is in-between the 1st movement and the 3rd movement, which both contain mostly fast and rigid music. Therefore, I should play slow and fluid, which will provide contrast, and will help take the band to nationals." Kaori starts at the beginning and builds a blurry goal as she goes. Reina starts with a clear goal and works backwards. In the classical music world, that makes all the difference :)

I like your thinking. The ability to read beyond the sheet music and score is the real difference for professional players :kind of Cadenza thing. As a piano player, I like Chopin for the same reason, but also struggling to find my own colour. Coming back to the animation, I was disappointed with the trumpet solo performance in the Kansai competition scene. Totally downgraded compared to this video.

Not just her father. She goes for lessons as well. While piano and string instrument lessons are common, individual lessons in band instruments are rare.

@@Dilettante-l1s Same irl player as the Kaori solo here. Therefore also the same touch.

I personally don't agree with the result

The reason why so many live performances are rushed are because: 1) If you've seen the sheet music, the notes are written as sixteenths. However, any good musician knows that sixteenths do not equal fast notes (just like in mozart's clarinet concerto 2nd mvt). But a lot of musicians tend to freak out when they see sixteenths and feel the urge to play them faster. 2) Live performances have more of a sense of anxiety. Yes, even professional musicians get nervous-- stage fright doesn't really go away. That tends to cause more rushing than recording the solo in a studio 3) Many musicians are playing it safe. It's safer in a live setting to play the solo faster, because that means each phrase uses less air. By saving air on note duration, trumpet players have more air support to perform the slurs properly screwing them up. However, since the entire solo is basically a cadenza, there isn't really any "accurate" tempo. Kaori's tempo wasn't necessarily more accurate than Reina's. However, if we consider purely the musical structure of the piece's movements (fast-slow-fast), and that the middle movement is supposed to provide some contrast to the opening and closing movements, I think there's a better argument to be made for a slower 2nd-mvt trumper solo than for a faster one.

@@takinoborudesu where did you buy the sheet music?

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It's 100% clear Reina was SO MUCH better.

I think Kumiko did better.

hm let's agree to disagree

You can't be more wrong.

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At this part

Crescent Moon Dance, it was composed specifically for the anime

This is the trumpet solo of Crescent Moon Dance.

Crescent moon dance

Playing it without frequent inhales.

Are you aware that Reina was played by the best trumpet player in Japan and Kaori by a random high school student? Do you think the amateur did better than the professional? Do you know that in music there are some things called techniques and styles and that the score does not have written which one to use and is left to the choice of the performer?

@@kuv3809 Yeah, but you should still have in mind that you are playing composers stuff, you can always reaarange sth but then it is not original.

@@kuv3809 indeed Reina's playing was sth diffrent but personally it was quite "hammery" to listen to, too strong and those accents on random notes.

nope, the way Taki phrased his question was more like, "Kaori, do you really think you deserve this solo?" Like he was offering her the chance to concede instead of blatantly telling her she lost.

@@takinoborudesu I think it's half and half. His plan A was that his students would actually have the veterancy to realize Reina is better and the conscience to admit so. But for one thing they are *really* loyal to Kaori and for another while they are aware Reina is *good* I'm not sure whether they realize Reina is *better*. The whole "You two knew each other accusation" suggests Yuuko didn't even realize Reina is better from their regular practices. Otherwise, she'd realize there's no point in complaining about connections where an ability difference is manifest and try another tack. So for Plan B Taki had to try and pressure Kaori to do the right thing, and she does.

@@kosomolsk I think that Taki doing it that way was actually kind of messed up. I really don't like it when people nominally give a decision to someone, but only will like or accept a certain decision. Don't give Kaori the decision if you aren't actually OK with either outcome. I find this business of "Kaori, will you play the solo? (but Read the mood, Reina is better, and if you don't pick her you are being selfish)" to be pretty offensive.

@@CavalloDiSpade I see your point. On the other hand, that's really Taki's Plan B or even Plan C. Plan A was him doing the audition, and people accepting his expertise. Plan B was the public audition. So that was pretty much the last idea he had before he bows to Japan's Laws of Seniority.

No Taki didn't actually choose Kaori. The way he phrased the question would actually translate better into English like this: "Ms. Kaori, do you think YOU should play this solo?" It's pressuring her to give in to Reina. I would say that Taki handled it well though by giving Kaori the opportunity to defer to Reina, instead of Taki himself just blatantly stomping on Kaori's performance.

Huh, that explains a lot. In fact, it makes Taki an even better teacher than I thought he was. He knows Reina played better and he knows that Kaori knows that too. And he TRUSTS Kaori to make the right call because he understands how great of a person she is. This show is brilliant.

@@hoarder1919 Yes he showed an amazing display of tactfulness for a beginner teacher.

It was a tie and so Taki asked Kaori if she thought she was better than Reina albeit in a roundabout way ( will you play the solo? ) which she then declines.

this is commentary meant for musicians to understand :) but I'm thinking about making a video to explain things for non musicians

@@takinoborudesu Is that video still in the making? Would love to see it.

@@takinoborudesu I'm sorry you never found time to make it.

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It was the students who had to choose the solo, and they almost all came with the firm intention of choosing Kaori. The fact that most did not applaud Kaori in the end and preferred to remain silent says all about the fact that Reina won this audition. The people who applauded Kaori did it because it was their friend (Yuuko, Haruka etc.) This doesn’t detract from Kaori’s performance, but Reina was a bit better.

@@nekomoridahlia7119 The headline of this video says "Why Reina won the reaudition" and that´s wrong, she didn´t win. Yes, her performance was better, but to play the solo was a privilege for the most important senior of the club. To change the rules just for the desire of two new egomaniacs was bullshit and I was disapointed of Kaoris classmates who didn´t cheer more for her. Aoi was the only honest member of the third grade wich said she just wanted to play saxophone for fun in the club... all her classmates did agree just to play basics a year before and to sacrifice their whole free time and even their vacations to make the dream of two new people come true. In my world human sleeping pills stay sleeping pills a year later, too.

​@@zimbo65a She won because she was better, you know what they mean, don't he obtuse.