why riot's new anti-cheat is a HUGE problem. 

If the game installed a kernel driver, and it can activate it at any point, then so can a pice of malware. I don't really see the improvement provided by not running constantly.

You could terminate it, though you wont be allowed to play at all until you reboot. And thats the shady and disgusting part, that they've made it so "difficult" so that the normal playerbase would have it constantly running in the background without their knowledge at all.

YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP

Yeah if you disable it you have to restart your PC before you can play again because it *must* ensure that it runs before all other software, including other kernel drivers, so that the software can be sure that it cannot be tampered with. It has its advantages of course but it is a scary prospect when you consider the attack surface area that's opened up.

so they essentially ask you to install a program, that has access to everything and only let you play the game while you are happy with running it 24/7 i don't think LoL is a good enough game to warrant installing some weird VMs just to run it safely

There is no might, unless you're seriously degenerate level of addicted to the game, uninstalling it is the only option, unless you are happy to be relentlessly harvested for data from the moment you boot up your computer, by a company who have literally had their own source code leaked, ALL of their data, a company who effectively are a subsidiary to the Chinese Government, if you are happy to accept that you place absolutely no standard on companies for your privacy, and don't care about your right to privacy at all in general.

@@emptywhy Thanks you for your criticism. I already uninstall the game 😁

@@vinhdangquang1460 It wasn't criticism, it was advice my friend.

True. But here's the harsh truth: If you own a device connected to the internet, your already being tracked by trillion dollar tech companies and governments alike. Doesn't mean we should be ok with it, but its the way things are. Its unavoidable at this point.

And all the American companies spy on everyone for the US government. On a hugely more massive and problematic scale. At least China is not waging wars around the world constantly and trying to control and dictate on everyone else.. So, stop being a hypocrite at least, and call everyone out for the same thing, and loudest for the worst in class (US).

@@chilli1695If your wall has a hole in it, you don't make the hole bigger, you patch the opening.

THIS, i am tired of acting like most anticheats arent just rootkits

> moving toward They have been doing this bullshit for decades

EAC is also a rootkit

Gamers are 100% okay with this, that's the problem, when vanguard was first announced/released you could see some of the same complaints about it and the complaints were drowned by the amount of people claiming that X game should also implement an anti cheater just like vanguard so they could have less cheaters.

Man, we have allowed it since the turn of the century... Im the first one that advocates for privacy, security and all that stuff, but dude, its been happening since personal computers first appeared, and we allowed it, so why are we taking this as something new and be all angry about it? Not that we shouldnt have, but it is a little too late, dont you think?

thats NOT how that works my guy. vanguard being kernel level really has no impact on safety or any of that bs. you are highly unlikely to get hacked through vanguard. the realistic effect this will have on your system is negligable and you definetily do open yourself to way more dangerous things on the daily

Maybe there isn’t much scripters because anti-cheat is working?

why do you think that is? it is because anticheat has improved over the years and those cheaters who lack skill have begun trolling because they know they play terribly without cheating. Being against better anticheat makes me think that you are a cheater yourself.

@@kiyoponnn being against anticheat being uneccisarily invasive is different to being against anticheat. They don't need it to be kernel level to work, they're just lazy

@@kiyoponnn Thats bullshit, in DOTA2 you have the worst AC ever, VAC runs on user privileges... And in 500 games I see maybe 1 guy scripting...

And given how sloppy their coding seems to be at moments, sooner or later a security breach is bound to happen

Truth be told im pretty sure they already have 3rs parties inside for months. Question is whether Vanguard opens a doorway to RCE, or is shipped complete

Just as Tik-Tok is not a spyware. US might be at war witch China over Taiwan or Australia in just a few years. Imagine getting drafted and your enemy has personal information about 50% of your troops. It's not about detecting cheaters anymore, it's more about maximizing your chance of winning a future conflict at this point. And if WWII has a lesson to teach, it's that intel on enemy is what wins a war (see the story of Alan Turing and cracking the Enigma encryption)

THEY ARE ILL INTENDED, those who think otherwise are mentally challenged. Tencent literally owns Riot, why do you think they basically have a root kit (or an anti-cheat as they call it) in their games?

And last time they got hacked was less than 1 year ago when the entire league of legends source code and league of legends anti-cheat source code got stolen. LOL.

And the worst part is that the average Joe doesn't realize it

@@creeper6530 the average joe just wants a program that works, until theres an issue that affects him

tbh, the difference between malware and operating systems (Windows) is just semantics at this point

@@lodgin Real.

@@creeper6530 You want cheaters in your game or preceived privacy? Keyloggers and screenrecorders can all be executed with only application level priviliage as we speak. If you don't want to, don't play?

I might be able to get a Masters student to research this with me, gonna be in a year or two though already have all the projects for this year lined up.

i got you bro i found this from someone who contacted riot support Vanguard's "driver does not collect or send any information about your computer back to us". From what I understand, the local Vanguard driver has a set state monitoring your computer. While it checks files for the presence of an anticheat or altering of the driver, it does not transmit any of that data. All it does is give a "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" to the client version of Vanguard. So while the driver portion of the anitcheat has kernel level access and technically can view or alter files, if it even does that it is entirely local and only gives a positive or negative response to the client. Do what you want with that information.

​@@saintskillerdntfkwthIf this is how it works then I actually applaud Riot on their approach, a data obuscation API flag is EXACTLY how I would have done this. Still, even a harmless flag system like this can be used for data probing, so I am not entirely convinced yet.

You are right they steal you personal info they steal my facebook account and steam account infos and now they ignoring me like nothing happened I thnink that I will lawsuit them i hope riot games collapse but they are too much idiots who still play this trash games

@@saintskillerdntfkwth "contacted riot support" Stopped reading right there at first, then calmed down and read the whole comment. - Riot's "Just trust us bro" attitude stinks imho and I don't trust Tencent (and Chinese companies in general). - Yeah I'm aware I'm already giving my personal information to everyone (willingly or unwillingly, doesn't matter) but anything related to Russia or China really bothers me. - I have too much personal information stored in my computer (and no, nothing related to porn or hentai etc.) because I also use my PC for business purposes. My phone already gets infested with obvious bait-spam messages constantly and I delete them instantly, I don't want to risk my PC too you know. - I've quit LoL five or six months ago (been playing since Jinx was introduced) and never played Valorant, think I'm too old for that s**t lmao. I really wanted to return because I've always had fun no matter what, until I read all about that Vanguard thing. I suggest anyone reading this comment to never EVER reinstall the game until Riot REALLY assures Vanguard is safe and immune to get hacked.

But to be honest what are better options? I love the game and I hate cheaters - how to get rid of them otherwise?

@@sorek__ server side anti cheat

@@sorek__ account age. if you played for 2 years regular and you have consistent rank compared to other players you should be trusted, just use account age and performance over time, how hard can it be, at any rate it still does more for anti cheat since you can never guaranty there are no hacks.

@@Parritz they could also get an exploit at hardware level, anti cheat software sounds like : " we make your computer trustworthy" like that ever worked.

@@Parritz A lot of cheating is possible because the software itself is buggy, the solution should not be spyware, but fixing your code. I'm sure most of these fixes would require additional resources and infrastructure on the (server) side of riot, so it's probably not very economical to do that. Anti-Cheat is not a solution though, it is a band-aid (if anything, it's also malware)

Good point

Unironically this 100%, finally free from this pile of shit, especially with how tone-deaf Riot has become as of late

Yup. I'm about to uninstall it right now.

it wont lmao, its too big to fail. You can come back in 3 years and let me know if its dead

@@friendlyneighborhoodtotall1902 It's already half-dead, at least on semi-pro side. Without new talents the game at pro-level won't last long either as people get old. New generations are worse in general, and this trend has been there for years. While it won't stop casual players from playing it, as many just cant stop at this time, having no real goal will eventually kill the game. Although that's whole another topic.

they already did with reverse engineering

4 years strong. I'll update in the next 4 years

something something solarwinds

Then i Hope you haven't played any of these games, that also have kernal level anti cheats - Apex Legends (EAC) - Fortnite (EAC) - Paladins (EAC) - Player Unknown: Battlegrounds (BE) - Rainbow Six: Siege (BE) - Planetside 2 (BE) - H1Z1 (BE) - Day-Z (BE) - Ark Survival Evolved (BE) - Dead by Daylight (EAC) - For Honor (EAC)

@@NMXLY None of them, you forgot valorant btw

Not true, Riot devs confirmed Vanguard wouldn't be needed on mac (and by extension I think the same would probably apply to linux) so we should be good

@@sajayrrr Linux runs the Windows version of League, and a Rioter said that they'll make no exception for Wine. So yeah, League just won't run on Linux

@@sajayrrrSorry but it's 100% true, Vanguard do not support Mac or Linux. It was never said LoL would not run on macOS (it will), but it was already confirmed that it won't on Linux.

Just gonna play TFT mobile I guess.

So the safest place to play Riot games are mobile phones

It's the closest you can get to a bootloader without being one. It's actually ridiculous

luckily its owned by a company based in a country that is known for never committing cyberattacks@@COALEDasICE

They wonder why I don't play Valorant. This is why. If I wanted a rootkit, I'd invite Russia on my computer. Probably be more entertaining.

@@cameronbosch1213 NO ONE wonders why you don't play valorant, pal

@@purplewine7362you missed the point

Kernel level isnt new. 90% of anti cheats run kernel level. The difference between them is that something like Easy Anti Cheat runs in usermode and the connection is completely severed to the kernel when the game is terminated. Vanguard however, loads at ring 0 even before windows is loaded.This sits at the same level as GPU or chipset drivers which is why when a crucial driver like Nvidia completely crashes you need to reboot the whole system. Which is exactly what happens with vanguard, severing the service manually or disabling it on startup just means you must reactivate it and reboot if you have any hope of playing the game.

@@reaperzxxtj8759 you really wanna tell me that ac like easy doesnt grab your data while game is running?Thats still a big issue,fuck it i remember when programs used to secretly mine bitcoin on your pc in background

I will :)

@@LowLevel-TV I enjoyed this video and have been saying many of the same things for years. The problem is I usually get the "Then why aren't we hearing Security Experts talk about it?" Ignoring, of course, that I personally have 10+ years of experience in Systems AND Software AND Cloud Engineering. But yeah, you know a lot more on this topic than I do and what I do know scares me.

Nice

Well they already do that with school tests done online so it isn't too far fetched :/

Than they'll ban faker's account

@@Ultima64 There's no way that you just compared school tests to a fucking video game. School tests lead to official and legally recognized results, video games do not. Cameras on formal examinations are fine and dandy as long as they do not require you to film anything that is not of legitimate interest to the school themselves, i.e no cameras in other rooms or pointing towards random directions that are irrelevant to the examination.

Considering most people play on laptops, thats already the case.

@@avananana honestly school tests shouldn't even be done outside of an actual teachers physical eye sight.

Most people dont give a shit and just want to play the game without cheaters. I've also done computer security research, but really even the worst case scenario will only affect a very small percentage of people and most people are fine with doing way more destructive things daily. Realistically, driving a car 3 blocks is more dangerous than the probable risk posed by this. Not arguing for it, just giving the other side.

@@jgangx It's understandable that people want to play without cheaters but your argument is not really valid here. It's like saying "Why would I lock my apartment door, if a door to my building are locked?"

@@jgangx I understand but in my opinion people are taking a game (which most plays for fun and not for eSports) too seriously, I'd be pissed off if a cheater ruins a match but I'd quickly move to the next one and while there are eSports competitions with money prizes and such these could be held at eSports cafès and other places where owners can control the hardware and software, these would even be a nice way for fans to meet and make best friends, last year I had a great time going to in person Splatoon tournaments.

​@@apprenticerocker9885 Sell you are free to leave the game then Casual dont care what anti cheat the game runs Hardcore fans wanted vanguard to come yo league

@@jgangx Are you seriously arguing that the risk of bodily injury during a car wreck is a comparable risk to a rootkit being exploited when a company with terrible security is deploying it 24/7? Incomprehensible.

I know even pretending like that argument is legitimate devalues the whole video.

The data collection is less of an issue only if the anti-cheat runs while the game is open and fully terminates itself when the game client is closed, It is still a severe risk, Can't wait to be completely unable to play Hytale because Riot made Hypixel Studios embed Vanguard anti-cheat into it.

@@MasterBroNetwork now why the fuck would a single player game needs anti cheat system

@@dankmemes8254 Are you serious? You do realize that Hytale will also have multiplayer servers as well as the singleplayer modes, right?

@MasterBroNetwork no i wasn't aware it will have multi-player lmao

It doesn't run after the game is closed (anymore)

as a cheat dev, please dont do more videos like this

​@@MsSoldadoRaso 😂😂😂😂😂😂

wait , if i turn off vanguard ALWAYS , im fine right? or I shoudn't let it get installed at all?

@@Tetrathegod You cannot turn it off without turning off your computer, uninstall the game.

Same here , uninstalled.

right there with you man, 12 years on my side through thick and thin with this game, thought it was gonna be eternal and sung praise for it on the MOBA genre, but Riot once again proved me wrong, atleast I kicked my lol addiction.

Correct, I lost my perfect windows 10 setup to their AC. When I contacted support about the BSOD caused by their driver, they just told me to reinstall instead of telling me where the file to delete was.

Many applications come with kernel drivers; many of them "COULD" brick your PC. These are professional software engineering teams designing this. It's not just anti-cheats that could be affected by this.

Yeah it is an issue. I remember the FaceIT anti-cheat causing blue screens on my PC. It clearly said "faceit.sys". Uninstalled it and it has not crashed since.

​@@reeceward5573Vanguard is the only one that randomly does it combined with the developer refusing support for the devices that fell victims.

@@reeceward5573 The thing is, they are incompetent, you can't even uninstal the game with the regular uninstaler, why should we trust them with that?

All connections are peer-to-peer. There's not a danger for **securely written applications**, and if you only peer to peer with people who you are OK with knowing your vague location (Every website you visit does this).

​@@valkyrie_pilot Not true. In most online games nowadays, you send and receive data from a server. This means you don't directly connect to other clients in your match and instead the server acts as a middleman. P2P connections in games aren't as safe because they expose your IP address to other players (or peers). This can be circumvented using a VPN though

@@dbanfii A server *is* a peer. And your IP address is not dangerous outside of giving your location, unless your router security sucks- but there are bots that scan the entire internet for vulnerable routers, so that won't save you.

⁠@@valkyrie_pilot When people talk about P2P in gaming, they generally refer to games that run with the peer to peer between players model of networking.

@@valkyrie_pilotAlso an IP address is definitely sensitive information especially if you’re a high profile gamer because of DDoSes. Happens all the time when a streamer’s IP gets leaked.

Not sure why you think that Riot should care about platform they dont even officially support,linux users that play league are so few that Riot didn't have incentive in past 10 years to even consider going for official support.

It's not that hard to make a kernel driver, but enough so people that sees themselves as tech savvy, shows the ignorance (I hope it's ignorance and not just acting dumb) about how and why a "kernel driver" it's needed Nowadays it's pretty easy to compile and run free cheats in league, it's really worrying in fact, the big wall it's understanding how to compile it by yourself And this anticheat makes it way hard (not impossible, you cannot stop hardware cheating as well) But once again, if people wouldn't bitch about something they don't really understand and they think they do, you would understand why riot already lost this battle and how valve it's coming for this in the near future

@@gonzalolog Vanguard is also ineffective at dealing with cheaters. It, just like every other anti cheat, gets fucked by anyone with a brain coding said cheats. Vanguard was even humiliated on stage to be utterly worthless.

People say that there's no point caring about Linux gamers. I think it's big mistake, as it's harder for Linux users to make league work, they have to put more effort to play this dumb game. I know from my experience, I've been playing for 10 years recently switch to Linux and all this struggle for nothing. I'm not supporting vanguard, time to quit league I guess 😀

@@Surtr174 exactly , so many gad damn hackers on shitlorant , it's not even doing it's job and it's shady as fuck , some extra rootkit malware we don't need on our PCs. Riot even claims it's helps remove smurfs? What a load of bullshit to sway the less informed masses into installing vanguard

Yeah, you should never give/share root/account access. Never trust internet!

Why not install the game in a VM? I don't think a root kernel can tunnel out of that. Can it?

As a linux user+linux server admin, even if i had windows there's NO WAY i would have installed it on my computer

vms are slow@@ambius2

@@ambius2VM installation is difficult as Vanguard has measures against it, not unbeatable measures, but difficult enough that even people versed in the field can find it not worth the effort.

Honestly, AI-based image recognition is good enough that just capturing the screen makes more sense. I hope it happens, just so anti-cheat becomes moot.

@@4.0.4 There's a video on this topic, check out "Hacking into Kernel Anti-Cheats: How cheaters bypass Faceit, ESEA and Vanguard anti-cheats"

@@Para0234 and yet they somehow eventually still get caught

@@saintskillerdntfkwth There are many people who get away with it for a long long time.

@@rawbmar1166 yeah maybe with valve anti cheat

People are tired of cheaters and botters. Surprise.

@@UhOhUmm league has very few cheaters, it's extremely easy to detect scripts

@@Damian-ew1vl you do know that Riot also makes Valorant ?

Doesn't matter, the discussion revolves around the incoming league anticheat. Not that it excuses vanguard in other games...@@thunderingeagle

@@Damian-ew1vl Exactly. Been playing since the game's inception. Truth be said, scripters are extremaly easy to detect most of the time in league. In fact, you could quite literally just add "overwatch" from csgo and call it a day, without any further changes to anti-cheat. But I guess let's make another useless change that won't help the main issue. What are we even expecting from company that introduced the most predatory EOMM + DDA combo in the industry, to the point even EA is jealous?

This happened to my co-worker's kid. His PC kept getting BSOD cause of Vanguard.

GOD DAMN IT, I may have been a victim of this as well... it all makes sense now.

Now it all makes sense why my old pc does loop bsod since i installed valorant.

I know many more issues where it just does not work at all

still persists, i tried playing valorant on an older laptop and whenever i closed the game(sometimes even when started) i got blue screened

while uninstalling valorant you need to uninstall vanguard separately. Im pretty sure they made it this way so average andy would just uninatall valorant without uninstalling vanguard so it can collect "DATA" from the computer while running.

@@shintyxd788 every single game that has an anti cheat (apex or rainbow 6 or pubg, etc) all make you install and uninstall the anti cheat seperately, and they are also rootkits. stop spreading misinformation

You can just uninstall vanguard. There is a button for that.

You can literally uninstall it separately, I love reading braindead comments 😭

@@Razzlelulnot the point... my point is "literally" i dont want to have to install and uninstall more than one application to play your game like yes, I know you can uninstall it, but at the time I didn't know much about anti-cheats in video games and never foresaw that I would have to go manually uninstall anti-cheats myself after uninstalling their corresponding games. i aint downloading a game that does that. like im sure its not doing anything evil, its probably the only way for them to prevent cheaters since cheating has gone this far in this day and age, but its the idea that its on my computer and has the ABILITY to do evil even if it actually isnt that bothers me

can you please ellaborate how this would handle skripters? am not so knowledgable here... also bonus question, if i may ask: if I had valorant installed but is now not on the computer, would a data breach and leak of bad actors still affect me and how is this worse than a normal data leak?

Vanguard has full access to your machine, more rights than an administrator. The reason it is worse than a normal data leak is because it pretty much has anything, it scans all your files, programs etc. it collects anything and runs in the background all the time. Vanguard would "protect" league, valorant and other riot games by scanning all your files so you can't script and it may even interrupt innocent files. Riot had a security breach early in 2023 and vanguard can turn off your fans or other things that need to use your pc, i don't think you can install valorant without vanguard so even if you don't play valorant it's running all the time. If you turn it off you have to reboot your pc in order to play league/valorant again@@Ttangko_

It's not that simple to detect cheaters only on their servers.

This kind of thinking is wild. Make it seem like the issue to fix cheaters is spending money on servers. Vanguard has been one of the most effective anti-cheats out there for a reason.

@@mixed_nuts and prettty dangerous for a reason

It's still extremely closed sourced and way more watered down than this stuff.

oh no, they're going to steal all your private DATA that you already posted on the internet, how could i deal with this information!

with valve i think is a more reasonable *risk*, but i dont trust tencent. anyways, everyone should be worried about companies running code in kernel mode, it look sooo bad

Hey man faceit and esea do their job well

Valve said multiple times they don't want to run an invasive anticheat and instead try to move AC to the server. This has the advantage of also being able to work against cheats that don't even run on the same computer as the game.

@@Sam-rr4ek Did people already forget that ESEA was caught being used to mine bitcoins on their users' PCs? They went to court over it, lost, and even paid a fine. I wouldn't be touching ESEA with a 100-foot pole. Doesn't matter how huge of an apology they made - never touch anything of theirs again if you value your machine's integrity

How would an open source anti-cheat even work? Genuine question I'm not versed in this sort of thing at all.

​@@snowys4168yes.

same question. i think the commenter missed the main point of anti cheats. @@snowys4168

@@snowys4168 Open source making it clear exactly how the anti-cheat detects cheaters might initially make it easier to circumvent, but it also means that a greater community can peer-review the code to verify/improve its resilience (and that it's not doing anything it shouldn't be). The people most motivated to reverse-engineer a closed-source program will most likely be malicious actors who will take advantage of any vulnerabilities they find; being closed-source means trusting the anti-cheat developers (in this case Riot) to play cat-and-mouse behind the scenes to fix exploits as they discover them themselves.

@@snowys4168 imagine you as a developer working on an closed source project which you obfuscate and then give to users for free, you will be the only one with access to that very sourcecode and so you can't really find every bug yourself, your users may enourage some bugs which you can fix but it won't by no means everything. now pricture yourself as a programmer who releases his sourcecode, freely aviable on github. Now volunteers will read the code and if they find bugs, they will open an github issue and help you to fix it, they may ven do a pull request with the solution implemented by themselve which you just have to analyze and if everything seems good, you can accept the pull request. gnu/linux is opensource, and what do you think, why there is no linux malware but a bunch of windows malware? think about that.

if by the highest level of game you mean GM+, hiring skilled players for peanuts to act as admins is the actual solution to ALL high level issues. But riot will never implement it. Even if it's probably much cheaper.

Never in my life have I seen a cheater in League, probably by pure coincidence and I've been playing since season 1! Is such a deeply rooted anti-cheat necessary to this degree??

@@fannabeltonakis76206 in the recent years in high elo, it became an issue. In the early seasons like 4-5, there were incidents with drop hacks. And no, there is no need for such an invasive anticheat.

Meanwhile Valve: "You get a piece of coal, you get a piece of coal, and _you_ ... you get a highly toxic piece of coal. Now get out of here!" 😂

That's an interesting idea Create a honeypot for cheaters

I've always just thought, if you flag a cheater, don't ban them but give them a separate MMR that only plays with other flagged cheaters. Vanguard is the straw that breaks the camel's back for me right now.

But CSGO and cs2 had way more cheaters than league, damn, it's rare to have cheaters on league but on Cs it's every friday

this idea is actually genius i want this one to happen

games are not limited to 5 persons only now. it connects all of the people world wide. so a LAN party might work in a esport event it wont work in a online multiplayer game

@@gamersworld4176 I'm not saying that we should avoid online gaming altogether, just keep online gaming for casual matches and training (where the worst thing the occasional cheater can do is to ruin a match) and do the serious matches (where you can win a place at important tournaments or money) in person

that would just destroy all together. the main appeal of competitive gaming is that everyone can have a taste of hard core try hard competitive mindset. the reason why fighting games never became a popular mainstream esport because the community kept the competitive scene closed to few people and not having people have a taste of the competitiveness@@apprenticerocker9885

@@apprenticerocker9885 or, alternatively, let FACEIT or other 3rd parties run their own rankings. Rito has shown again and again that their predatory use of EOMM and DDA systems disqualify them from creating serious competetive environment in their games.

​@@apprenticerocker9885 You are describing basically what has been happening since competitive (online)gaming has been around.

Literally barely any comments Saying that

The source code for the league client is also out there somewhere.... so easy for a bad actor to reverse engineer it and potentially screw everyone's pc up

riot games employees are still people like you and me. vulnerabilities still exist.

@@chicogonzales916not true

Vulnerabilities will always exist, even on a computer with nothing but chrome installed on it there is still Vulnerabilities, if I want to play game and the tradeoff is potentially my discord chat habits getting to Chinese people I'll just have to take the tradeoff, is it safe not particularly but am I in any real danger compared to just having an internet connection in the first place, not really china can know everything that Google knows about me if they hacked Google and have root access to my pc for me to have less cheaters in my game I've decided the risk is worth it because I don't have much to lose even if China was super evil about it

then just stop Playing Riot games in general, since this may be their goto Anti-cheat for current and new games in the future

Or it could be exploited by other bad actors, similar to how the Genshin Impact "anti cheat" was distributed, auto-installed and then exploited.

@@riftblaze that's what I decided to do.

riotgames123

@@Gramini It's not like Riot Games have a history with data breaches, you know, with their source code leaking and all.

Yeah when Starfield came out i pirated morrowind and installed openMW havent completed that save but played enough that i know i like the game and have basic comprehension of the game and could easily beat it. Is probably best RPG world i have played in. I dont really care if the devs/publishers make money on these live service games since i will just pirate old games there are so many countless.

Tbf last year I ran into a lot of cheaters. Though if they were banned after a few games every time, issue would sort itself out honestly. All riot has to do is hire a couple of guys for spesifically banning cheaters, starting from higher elos.

@@albertnoble2727 Do you play on something besides NA? My experience ranged from smurfing with friends to my main, so from silver-masters, and I would be shocked if I played every day and somehow missed a massive amount of cheaters. (and friends from all elos have the same experience as me on NA)

@@giswax yeah i don't play on na. It must be about that, the cheaters i saw was hard to miss

I only recall roughly 3 scripters using dodge scripts on obvious champs in gold-plat elo recently. And that's within the past couple of years. Use to see them a lot back in s2/s3/s4 era but you hardly see it any more.

Scripting is a big problem in high elo and there are many people who openly admit to scripting for hundreds of games and never get punished

yes, it's n valorant

that's what i'm wondering. I thought the community was already talking about this a few years ago is this some kind of reupload?

@@Jyukenmaster95 there used to be no vanguard for league.

​@@vyyrYeah, SomeOrdinaryGamers talked about it when Valorant was released and told people not to play it. Hopefully people actually listen this time.

Valorant has had it for a while, all other anti cheats also do this, nothing will happen

@@fitmotheyap Or it will... but about 8-10 years later

@@fitmotheyap the EU court cases took about a decade to go through but they did, eventually. So it's not unlikely

Nobody is forcing you to play and install their game lol? You don't have a right to play their game protected by EU laws lol.

@@Sorest2 no but any company that wants to do business within the EU has to comply with their regulations. Otherwise, they'll lose access to the EU market which is quite big. Same reason why many companies self-censor based on Chinese laws.

But that would require extra resources on the corp's part, and that eats into profit, and we just can't have that.

Or you cant stop play the game if you don't like anti cheat

@@wnsjimbo2863 Or you can just let random strangers in your house if you don't like boundaries

@@wnsjimbo2863 I'm sorry your addiction to a video game has removed all sense of privacy and risk.

The cheaters are using programs that make their inputs for them. How the fuck would you detect this from the server side?

joever on to better things now I suppose

if anything linux is better because it can't run it

Its not just this audience, that audience. Its gamers in general, always complain and say you will refuse to accept something in a game but fear of missing out will make them continue playing. No backbone will be shown. Its like that one time a call of duty game was planned to be boycotted by a huge steam group of players because they demanded dedicated servers, that then played the game anyway on day of release.

@@MidasButSilver Ever since DLC was introduced in 2006 gaming has been dead

Sadly most "company audiences" are like that: from The Pokèmon Company to Apple

​@@apprenticerocker9885Nintendo is by far the worst.

you forgot you just can t unistall that piece of software :D

Unlike the Americans who surveillance and spy on everyone and gather everyones private data and use this for criminal activity and criminal wars around the world. But hey, China.. Right?

Based.

there is no difference between mac, linux and windows. Open source does not mean that code had any security audit or even code review. Also anticheats do not work in VM

@@severgun open source means the source code is open for code review. It's up to you to review the code. There is a lot of difference between Linux and Windows.

stop with linux meat riding

@@severgun Tell that to the University of Minnesota.

I hope we can find workarounds aswell, but I read somewhere that people got banned after a patch because they played LoL on Linux. So virtualization has banned players unfairly in the past

@@Ellefsen97 More specifically they were banned because they were missing a patch. That version has been corrected and a few people had their bans reversed when they actually had a human look at their ticket. The version in question was wine-lol-staging on the AUR. I was on the dev team who helped fix league on linux. Too bad we can't continue to play... Vanguard is where I myself, draw the line.

lmfao i was calling this for years, that they'll force vanguard for LoL too, and nobody believed me lmao

@@megadjc192 You’re not alone. I’ve played League since S2, but I have decided to uninstall because of Vanguard. I don’t like the precedent it sets. While I don’t think Riot has any bad intentions with the Kernel Driver, it’s impossible to know what the driver does. I don’t feel comfortable installing a root kit by a company 100% owned by the biggest Chinese company in the world as well

I’m 99% sure you already can through hyper-V

Users>username>Appdata really only holds save data and configs. The data held in there isn't a concern.

@@reaperzxxtj8759 Understood. However, still the question remains if uninstalling Lol and Vanguard using blindly their uninstall guides is enough to get it out of the system entirely?

@@romansmoll7019 No it isn't. You can find other videos on youtube showing how to fully get rid of it. It's a lot more entrenched than you think it is

AI tech doesn't seem to be there yet. Hopefully just a few more years. Until then tho, this is really the only effective way to deal with them sadly.

funny how your latest video is from apex, a game using a kernel level anti cheat lmao

@@hupo08-xr3zs Easy Anti-Cheat runs in regular ol' user mode on Linux, which is where I play the game now if I want to play :)

Can you install vanguard inside a VM? Because then you could have your game inside a dedicated vm with the rest of your computer safe and secure.

@@ambius2 No, it detects if it is a virtual machine, and if it is, it does not let you install it, and if you somehow manage to install it, it does not run

Dont think they have the $$$ to outbid intelligence agencies on a vm breakout vulnerability. Not to mention it would be a single use toy..... (breaking out of a VM is like shaking a hornets nest)

You won't be able to run Vanguard in a VM. The cheating market in valorant is already quite established and so far the only thing that worked well was DMA, external cheats and pixel based. With the last December update it seems they started actively detecting DMA hardware, tho no idea how it works as I didn't really look into it. Riots anti cheat team is always quite quick to catch up and made up of ex cheat devs. The only alternative would be to have MacOS running in a VM to play league, as Mac won't need vanguard and will continue using the old anti cheat. It is definitely not as easy as you might think and if anyone finds a way, it will be patched in a short time or needs to be hidden behind an expensive private cheat with only a few slots, which not only stops casual cheaters but basically 99% of the market. Vanguard is atrocious but at the end of the day it is probably the best anti cheat right now for a shooter so I am not surprised Riot is adding it to League with all the scripters and bots in the game. Running games via KVM or Xen is nothing new, the biggest problem will always be anti cheats detecting it via methods like RDTSC etc. as a VM will never behave exactly like bare metal.

I feel like you just presented a fantastic idea, if only it were so simple. I hear stories of people being banned for using VM's whether cheating or not. Seems riot is not virtualisation friendly, which is a big shame.

Yeah Vanguard will stop you if it detects it's being virtualized... that's why Vanguard breaks all Linux compatibility solutions. I would love to play Riot titles in a Windows VM on my Linux box I can't.

@@omdavbu It will windows too, malwaresoft is pushing HVCI really hard.....

It's difficult to make that so not many people will be able to. Then those smaller amount of cheaters can be caught by human review teams.

Great timing. Saves me 100000 future wasted hours on this shit game.