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Is Valorant Spyware or safe? Is Vanguard a malware rootkit, or just a reliable anticheat from Riot and Tencent? Does it connect to China? and how does it compare against counter strike anticheat software? Try the new Malwarebytes for free: mwb.link/4ay7nag (sponsor)
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@Pirateking1997
@Pirateking1997 Месяц назад
if anti cheat runs while the game is not even running that's a huge red flag and i will never touch it
@antivaxxtoaster8919
@antivaxxtoaster8919 Месяц назад
Yes although that could be true, cheats can be ran at any time. There is a popular way for cheat devs to inject their cheats and that is before you even boot into windows. Valorant has the best anti-cheat hands down, but for it to be as good as it is they need it to be running 24/7. Face it is also good but not as good as vanguard
@skiry_7207
@skiry_7207 Месяц назад
@@antivaxxtoaster8919Best anti cheat? I’ve played Valorant for a couple of months after release on my old machine and it was the game where I encountered the most cheaters ever in my life in any game lol, I even added a guy and he didn’t get banned for a shit ton of time, all of this while that garbage is perma on Edit: forgot to add, the anti-cheat is so shit most of people had to do some weird shit to just have Valorant work in the first place, changing settings, booting a certain way and whatnot. What a great piece of software Vanguard has always been. Oh yeah let’s also add how shit it has been on League of Legends too (they are forcing it there too, weirdly) where they wanted to add it months ago yet it’s only active in the Philippine servers currently cause of the insanely high amount of bugs and issues it had on the PBE. For MONTHS now. Best anti cheat tho💀
@wr31rf
@wr31rf Месяц назад
@@skiry_7207 nah i'd win
@antivaxxtoaster8919
@antivaxxtoaster8919 Месяц назад
@@skiry_7207 Maybe you had a bad experience with vanguard, I'm not sure. Me personally I've been playing on and off for over 3 years and only ran into one rage cheater that got banned within 7 rounds, but thats besides the point. I know first hand that vanguard has one of the hardest anti-cheats to reverse engineer, I haven't tried it myself but I know people who have so I can't really tell you if their spying on us or not. Vanguard were one of the first anti-cheats to really crack down on DMA devices, they are really the only companies that give a shit about cheaters, they are the only anti-cheat to my knowledge that has bug bounty program and will pay out if you find a bypass. Riot games is owned by a Chinese company as he pointed out which does seem very bad, so take that as you will but they have the best anti-cheat hands down and they are the only anti-cheat who actually cares about getting rid of cheaters also as a side note when you're reversing the anti-cheat they have a photo of their team and a invite to apply for a job to work for them if you're talented enough.
@gummo5092
@gummo5092 Месяц назад
@@skiry_7207 stop with the Hollywood motherfuker , i have been playing the game since its 1month and i can confirm playing agianst 3 cheaters and i aint even lost no rr , game cancels 3/3..
@michelians1148
@michelians1148 Месяц назад
Short answer, yes. Long answer, yes, it is.
@techaddictdude
@techaddictdude Месяц назад
I need a medium answer.
@CrushedCoaching71011
@CrushedCoaching71011 Месяц назад
@@techaddictdudeis yes
@dxl___
@dxl___ Месяц назад
@@CrushedCoaching71011it’s*
@Astralr
@Astralr Месяц назад
​@@techaddictdudemhm
@sharkyrio7876
@sharkyrio7876 Месяц назад
@@techaddictdude yh
@xtan-yt
@xtan-yt Месяц назад
I am from India and our government banned the pubg mobile game, tencent released another "Indian" version of the game and claimed the game will not communicate with Chinese servers again. But with a small network lookup i find out that the game is still sending data back n forth to Chinese servers.
@gigaheheboi
@gigaheheboi Месяц назад
Hey bro! You know what, you should publish your investigations and make people aware of this fact!
@es_zyg
@es_zyg Месяц назад
​​@@gigaheheboilol the thing already shared in most of telegram PUBG cheat channel
@fahimhossen7842
@fahimhossen7842 Месяц назад
Let me know if you have published any articles on this.
@Sajgoniarz
@Sajgoniarz Месяц назад
Bring it to your authorities.
@The-Political-Prophet
@The-Political-Prophet Месяц назад
Yo man can we do a collab on this situation..we can both post it to our channel..
@Elisabeth99
@Elisabeth99 Месяц назад
Funny thing, some cheats on other games doesn't work if vanguard is active
@EthniopaTimes
@EthniopaTimes Месяц назад
yeah, because vanguard is an anticheat.
@Elisabeth99
@Elisabeth99 Месяц назад
For Riot their Games, not for Tarkov as example
@imhyouka8101
@imhyouka8101 Месяц назад
So… you are trying to say that vanguard is affecting the binary code of cheats… ??? I think you don't know how anti cheats works…
@Elisabeth99
@Elisabeth99 Месяц назад
Well I know enough to acknowledge that it's weird that the Anti Cheat of Valorant is so strong that it kills of cheats for other Games.
@kewzay
@kewzay Месяц назад
@@imhyouka8101 bro you said nothing in a whole sentence, you cannot inject cheats into other games if you have vanguard on because it flags them, i guess you never had vanguard on your pc
@Eagledelta3
@Eagledelta3 Месяц назад
Quick correction - FACEiT is for Counterstrike 2, but it is a 3rd party Anti-Cheat. It is NOT run by Valve or required to play the game. Instead Valve uses a Server side Anti-Cheat
@Totallynotmwa
@Totallynotmwa Месяц назад
True,They use valve anti-cheat
@Totallynotmwa
@Totallynotmwa Месяц назад
@@marcelbromm2625 Oh yeah they banned for using stuff
@NightRaven5568
@NightRaven5568 Месяц назад
But doesn't a server side anticheat suck?
@Eagledelta3
@Eagledelta3 Месяц назад
@@NightRaven5568Not necessarily. It can actually be more effective than Kernel-level AC, but also requires the studio to hire a team whose job is to break the cheats down to their assembly code and write heuristics based on the Assembly..... but they'd rather pay less to build/buy kernel-level AC than to build server-side heuristics. Also, Self-hosted servers with community admins are the best kind of AC, but it also takes away the ability of the publisher to end support and force players to the next game.
@boobtronic9000
@boobtronic9000 Месяц назад
@@marcelbromm2625 As a CS2 cheater I must agree
@Zachsnotboard
@Zachsnotboard Месяц назад
I blocked vanguard on my firewall when I wasn’t playing and it would blue screen my pc when I restarted lol. Had to uninstall riot games completely.
@Sunrise-d819i2
@Sunrise-d819i2 Месяц назад
sounds like rootkit sypware to me. like why does it need to run 24/7 or else it bricks your system.
@kidnamedfinger.productions
@kidnamedfinger.productions Месяц назад
It's a rootkit, windows firewall wont help here, only if you setup firewall on your router it will have any sense.
@MrGuyFawkes
@MrGuyFawkes Месяц назад
​​@@kidnamedfinger.productionsreflash bios or run rkhunter with lynux is an option i mean
@VrishabhDB
@VrishabhDB Месяц назад
I remember this vividly but, I heard that even after uninstalling Valorant, it's anticheat (rootkit) still remains on your system.
@Totallynotmwa
@Totallynotmwa Месяц назад
​@@Sunrise-d819i2Fr
@abdool651
@abdool651 25 дней назад
"bUt I dOnt HaVe anYthiNg tO hiDe, I doNt CaRe if I haVe maLware in mY coMpuTer"...
@koli4213
@koli4213 23 дня назад
riot is not gonna be seeing my 5 terabytes of media
@mis8866
@mis8866 23 дня назад
Cool bro, go gamble some money on cases while seeing cheaters every game in the most hacked game in the world. Meanwhile i'll be queing valorant, with the best anticheat in the world currently. Enjoy getting maphacked on every game at high mmr in CS.
@joeybarela363
@joeybarela363 22 дня назад
@@mis8866 this is peak copium. "I'm so addicted that I'm willing to throw away personal security so I can get my cartoon shooting game dopamine hit"
@pixelsavant1
@pixelsavant1 22 дня назад
@@joeybarela363 valorant players always defend their game with all their life
@alpoy_6571
@alpoy_6571 22 дня назад
​@@pixelsavant1 Honestly i can understand why people are angry about that but lets be honest 5 sec : Vanguard is not the only one to do that and we can't (valorant players ) do anything to correct this problem ,except unistall the game but that mean we won't play it anymore unless we like the game.
@paparoxo3606
@paparoxo3606 27 дней назад
And people say that Linux is worse for not running some anticheat games like Valorant, but in reality it's protecting people's privacy.
@enn1924
@enn1924 26 дней назад
Shit games btw
@MrDT2012
@MrDT2012 23 дня назад
Which means if you are running windows you are fucked before even downloading valorant lol.
@sjoervanderploeg4340
@sjoervanderploeg4340 23 дня назад
Just imagine Tim Sweeney telling you that the attack surface on Linux is just too big. When you can easily defeat their kernel mode anticheat by halting and resuming the initiating process when the driver is loaded.
@sjoervanderploeg4340
@sjoervanderploeg4340 23 дня назад
​@@MrDT2012we already knew that.
@MrDT2012
@MrDT2012 23 дня назад
@@sjoervanderploeg4340 that’s the point LOLOL
@fbiagentmiyakohoshino8223
@fbiagentmiyakohoshino8223 Месяц назад
spying on your wallet
@antwnia1479
@antwnia1479 Месяц назад
MOOD
@ayylmao1558
@ayylmao1558 Месяц назад
spying on your soul to see what skins you'll buy
@gunawanagungwibowo
@gunawanagungwibowo Месяц назад
Truer than the absolute truth itself
@Totallynotmwa
@Totallynotmwa Месяц назад
Fr,The skins will hit headshots much more and are expensive
@DarenKajiWolf
@DarenKajiWolf Месяц назад
if you're way too weak and somewhat rich, lol
@AgniButWithChronicBackPain
@AgniButWithChronicBackPain Месяц назад
Playing Valorant should already be unfortunate enough.
@Shouko91
@Shouko91 Месяц назад
I'm glad I quit. Was hooked for 2 years and spent a lil over 500 euro's. I can't believe it myself.
@Envy-ie2wp
@Envy-ie2wp Месяц назад
@@Shouko91 LMAO
@nathanlamaire
@nathanlamaire Месяц назад
@@Shouko91 I'm still grateful that you finally quit it though.
@dinosharttt
@dinosharttt Месяц назад
@@Shouko91 you could have got a m9 bayonet
@OJapaa
@OJapaa Месяц назад
@@dinosharttt other trash game that is even worse, people that just play cuz of gamble addiction LOL
@bc4198
@bc4198 Месяц назад
It's _something_ ! I called Razer for a failure of a pretty new headset - instead of asking if I'd turned it off and on again, they asked if I had installed Valorant.
@sldy8464
@sldy8464 16 дней назад
Holy shit I’m having a problem like that. When you uninstalled Valorant was it fine?
@Nors2Ka
@Nors2Ka 14 дней назад
Riot responded to this issue saying the drivers that Razer devices require were so bad that cheaters could trivially inject cheats into the driver and circumvent Vanguard so Vanguard just blacklists that driver from functioning properly. Razer also is a non-US company that requires you to run software 24/7 to get basic features of your devices working, but let's ignore that.
@vyor8837
@vyor8837 14 дней назад
​@@Nors2Ka GPU drivers allow the same thing.
@emirobinatoru
@emirobinatoru 14 дней назад
@@Nors2Ka I don't like SteelSeries GG but at least I am not forced to keep it open 24/7
@moisander8858
@moisander8858 3 дня назад
@@Nors2Ka Not kernel mode drivers i assume?
@SweetRolls01
@SweetRolls01 Месяц назад
bro I had no clue about any of this. Thank you for the video and explanation.
@thesun___
@thesun___ Месяц назад
Something that was not mentioned was that Tencent is legally required to send information to the Chinese government. Have fun playing Valorant!
@twenty-fifth420
@twenty-fifth420 Месяц назад
I mean, that is how every game both in US and China has to do business, by ‘sending information’. You are going to have to be more specific in motive for maliciousness.
@xWiZ3
@xWiZ3 Месяц назад
@@twenty-fifth420factually incorrect. Do you have to submit your data to the US government everytime you log into COD? No you don’t because that’s ridiculous, however all Chinese games MUST send their data to the CCP. Learn about the topic before distributing misinformation
@MrDaddy-ym1li
@MrDaddy-ym1li Месяц назад
Does that mean the chinese government knows all of my lose streak?
@Envy-ie2wp
@Envy-ie2wp Месяц назад
damn china knows alot about me
@sumbuddy4088
@sumbuddy4088 Месяц назад
@@twenty-fifth420the US government needs a proper warrant to receive information from companies relevant to criminal cases. The Chinese government just needs to tell them to fork everything over. Naturally the US government could also buy information from companies, but that isn’t a forced transaction.
@kidnamedfinger.productions
@kidnamedfinger.productions Месяц назад
Spookiest thing is that kernel drivers have the ability to read memory of other processes meaning they can monitor absolutely everything you do, decrypt your connections to websites, decrypt your crypto wallet and many more.
@shroomer3867
@shroomer3867 Месяц назад
You forgot the part where they don't care, their game having no cheaters is more important than user security
@ilhanilhanDev
@ilhanilhanDev Месяц назад
If more companies will be install more anti-cheats like this. Aftertimes begin approached peoples which liked you full cash on card or you own computer. I think need block like this programs
@BroomopUK
@BroomopUK Месяц назад
You need a agency to be allowed to run debug versions and review code at this level problem solved
@kidnamedfinger.productions
@kidnamedfinger.productions Месяц назад
@@shroomer3867 No cheaters? Valorant has more cheaters than any other game beside CS:GO probably.
@shroomer3867
@shroomer3867 Месяц назад
@@kidnamedfinger.productions I meant it as in what they want. I know there are cheaters in Valorant, sorry for not clarifying.
@i_drive.
@i_drive. Месяц назад
My boyfriend used to close vanguard after he was done playing but it messed up his game. Now his game freezes more often, takes time to load him into the lobby and gives him a warning for ban after every game even though he doesn't seem to break any rules. He had no choice but to uninstall
@untitledmisou
@untitledmisou Месяц назад
Cause he closed the anti cheat. Most games won't work if you turn off anti-cheat, because you know.. it's an anti cheat.
@cal8506
@cal8506 Месяц назад
@@untitledmisouthere’s this thing called ‘reading’ and ‘understanding the text’. It’s a hard skill to learn and im sure you’ll manage to do so
@vanilla0p956
@vanilla0p956 Месяц назад
​@@untitledmisou cmon bro valorant fan base cannot defend this one, its crazy how it rus while your pc is off!
@Mastooper
@Mastooper Месяц назад
your boyfriends pc is just shit
@phuphuphu5548
@phuphuphu5548 Месяц назад
there's is no bf here opsie woopsie 🤭
@pieroirribarren7003
@pieroirribarren7003 Месяц назад
Bro the trainer from OG literally told people about it like 2 years ago, thats the only reason why I uninstall entirely Riot Games.
@PedroHenrique-wo6pn
@PedroHenrique-wo6pn 13 дней назад
Nice pfp lol
@pieroirribarren7003
@pieroirribarren7003 13 дней назад
@@PedroHenrique-wo6pn hello handsome
@DeividasGedgaudas
@DeividasGedgaudas Месяц назад
I remember a friend begged me to hop on Valorant, jumped through all the hoops of recovering my user, installing the game, installing the anticheat, enabling and disabling windows features that the game wanted me to... and as soon as I launched the game I blue screened with kernel security error :D (i9-12900k, rtx3080, msi z690) Uninstalled everything, re-setup how I liked my machine and never looked back
@Razzbow
@Razzbow Месяц назад
Smoking gun lmao
@Khual
@Khual Месяц назад
Skill issue I think
@slawnyfivemowiec
@slawnyfivemowiec Месяц назад
Hey! Had that same issue, just had to leave a pc off for a while, came back and it worked.
@DeividasGedgaudas
@DeividasGedgaudas Месяц назад
@@slawnyfivemowiec dont worry :D I'm not coming back to it. Just wanted to share my experience. But thank you for the heads up :)
@INFJ-ThaneTr
@INFJ-ThaneTr Месяц назад
I've never had to do any of that lol
@ToaOfs
@ToaOfs Месяц назад
I think it's important to note that FaceIt is a community project and does not come directly from Valve, the company behind CS2, and they have nothing to do with the FaceIt project. The official anti-cheat of CS2 is VAC (Valve Anti-Cheat).
@honeypac467
@honeypac467 Месяц назад
Valve doing anything is funny (VAC is pretty dogshit), but shoutouts to the community
@deivytrajan
@deivytrajan Месяц назад
So CS fanboys will say it's cool if community made kernel anti cheat collects all the data and sells it but not RIOT? lol Riot doesn't even collect data.
@jinn194
@jinn194 Месяц назад
@@deivytrajanmore like massive indifference since most people can and will just play on the official client, avoiding kernel level AC entirely. If you don’t want kernel level AC to play Valorant? Tough shit, you can’t even launch the game.
@ToaOfs
@ToaOfs Месяц назад
@@deivytrajan I don't play CS2 nor Valorant, but I think no game should have kernel-level access to your machine. Also, I don't know if Riot or FACEIT collect data.
@jek711
@jek711 Месяц назад
also another thing to mention, with FACEIT they have far less motives to monitor your PC, with it being just an esports platform and the company was found in London. Riot however, is technically owned by the Chinese Goverment, who would benefit from having everyone's data from all over the world.
@Omega_o7
@Omega_o7 Месяц назад
Where is that mountain range from your desktop background? Very inormative video by the way.
@TheManofToast
@TheManofToast Месяц назад
Cinque Terre
@cloudsgamezz
@cloudsgamezz Месяц назад
I sure hope you didn't think I was Iran😅 That flag is Italian
@emirobinatoru
@emirobinatoru 14 дней назад
There was a dude who said Cinque Terre, but I can't see his comment anymore. I wanted to thank him for being a goated user of this platofrm
@Maxio1606
@Maxio1606 11 дней назад
"If a big company gives something for free, that means YOU are the product"
@Pakistani890
@Pakistani890 3 дня назад
no offense but i never understand this quote valorant is free to play (i don't play Valorant btw i have never even installed it) so it means it should have microtransactions so thats how they make money so it's not free technically...
@cperzam7700
@cperzam7700 3 дня назад
@@Pakistani890 it is free, you can go download it, install it and play while never making a transaction.
@HockeySniping
@HockeySniping 4 часа назад
they sell skins, real gamers hate naked guns
@Quawnn
@Quawnn Месяц назад
if it acts like malware...... it is
@cc1drt
@cc1drt Месяц назад
acts like malware, uses ring0 rootkit techniques, runs the entire time your pc is running, owned operated and used by the chinese communist party. Nah i think its just an anti cheat to ban cheaters 🤓🤓🤓
@tuhp5237
@tuhp5237 Месяц назад
so every AV ever is a virus? logitechs software is a virus? all of nvidia's drivers are a virus? Vanguards not doing much different than any of those
@wlockuz4467
@wlockuz4467 Месяц назад
This is the best mindset when it comes to security.
@turtlerumpgames
@turtlerumpgames Месяц назад
I've had valor ant installed on and off for 4 years and nothing has happened, why worry so much, I guarantee the Chinese has sold you're data already regardless of having the anti cheat or not
@famulanrevengeance3044
@famulanrevengeance3044 Месяц назад
@@wlockuz4467 The problem is that the average person on RU-vid has no clue what malware is and that's why they watch a video of some random guy hoping he's gonna say what they're already thinking
@Polish_Editz
@Polish_Editz Месяц назад
This is something i never knew the anti cheat even did, really informative in less than 10 minutes! Props to the PC Security channel for being this informative!
@xFluing
@xFluing Месяц назад
This is something everyone already knew, but as he pointed out it's important to make the distinction in behaviour: while faceit installs a kernel driver you can shut it down and turn it back on at your whim, as opposed to valorant which really strongly nudges you into having it on 24/7 and making it extremely inconvenient to not have it on.
@Polish_Editz
@Polish_Editz Месяц назад
@@xFluing ah I see, I never personally played valorant or any other shooter games on pc, and I don't face myself towards the gaming industry too much so this is new information to me, but I am glad people were already aware of such thing.
@antman7673
@antman7673 Месяц назад
@@xFluing Everyone minus many that didn’t know, isn’t everyone. It is similar to “never except…”.
@nu_kercat1
@nu_kercat1 Месяц назад
​@@antman7673☝️🤓
@unearthlynarratives_
@unearthlynarratives_ Месяц назад
@@xFluing Except that you got it the wrong way round, when you disable vanguard, it unloads the driver, FACEIT driver runs 24/7 regardless if you have the anti-cheat on or off. Not being able to just unload and load drivers is extremely important for a kernel AC.
@hayden6700
@hayden6700 15 дней назад
Riot's intentions are very clear here; I have seen maybe two hackers in League in the last 5 years, and nobody complains about it anymore. It's insanely obvious if someone is cheating, and when everyone reports them they will be banned. Their only reason for making us install this is to gain access to our PC
@alberthcheong5477
@alberthcheong5477 14 дней назад
you just contradict yourself
@hayden6700
@hayden6700 13 дней назад
@@alberthcheong5477 in what way? i'm saying there's no need to add something to automatically detect cheating because you can obviously tell if someone is due to how uncommon it is
@alberthcheong5477
@alberthcheong5477 13 дней назад
@@hayden6700 Cheating become more noticeable precisely because the anti-cheat is effectively doing its job, highlighting the negative side more prominently. often overshadowing its positive side.
@alberthcheong5477
@alberthcheong5477 13 дней назад
@@hayden6700 while it is an obvious solution. an obvious solution is often the worst solution.
@hayden6700
@hayden6700 13 дней назад
@@alberthcheong5477 but there hasn't been an anticheat in league ever until a few days ago so your point makes no sense
@Dyna1One
@Dyna1One Месяц назад
So can’t there be an option to not have it running except when trying to run the game and only restarting the pc then and there with the Vanguard in the startup list? Kinda how some very old games/programs worked where you’d insert your disk and restart to boot it Having to manually close it or even uninstall it because you don’t play every day or week seems tedious.
@FlazuelJr
@FlazuelJr 13 дней назад
I mean you can manually make it not start like every other application
@Plazmal
@Plazmal Месяц назад
I honestly never watned to play Valorant simply because I don't have any trust for Tencent at all. I would rather not take that risk.
@OnceShy_TwiceBitten
@OnceShy_TwiceBitten Месяц назад
same.
@DCCXXV
@DCCXXV Месяц назад
FAANG are just as bad as tencent...
@Master120
@Master120 Месяц назад
e-e
@chrysun9891
@chrysun9891 Месяц назад
you can play valorant through a VM, OrdinaryGamers has a video about it
@dyanosis
@dyanosis Месяц назад
Your data is already out there. At least you know this devil.
@xFaZebRuTaLx
@xFaZebRuTaLx Месяц назад
Forgot to mention the part where it's difficult to uninstall it also
@sx1805
@sx1805 Месяц назад
Just uninstall the game xd
@aoqia
@aoqia Месяц назад
@@sx1805 Uninstalling the game unsurprisingly does not uninstall vgc.
@norcobick
@norcobick Месяц назад
​@@sx1805 the only way to uninstall it is go into settings and then apps. the thing is the game doesnt uninstall at all even after a reboot. the true way of uninstalling is deleting the game folder, uninstalling vanguard and then riot client itself
@mariosanchez7836
@mariosanchez7836 Месяц назад
go to control panel, uninstall valorant and then it will ask you to uninstall vanguard aswell, do so, then delete the riot client alongside with any other games.
@ren3059
@ren3059 Месяц назад
use revouninstaller to remove it completely
@Qmitt
@Qmitt Месяц назад
what are all the software you used in this other than tcpview? I'm learning and i'd love to try all these tools :))
@aliancemd
@aliancemd 29 дней назад
He didn’t use anything fancy, just regular Wireshark and Microsoft’s Process Explorer
@reisaki18
@reisaki18 19 дней назад
I think he uses porcess explorer and TCPview and maybe some NirSoft utilities.
@kyatto510
@kyatto510 Месяц назад
Funny thing, Vanguard has been announced to be in League of Legends also in the next month, 14.19 update being exactly.
@ImaskarDono
@ImaskarDono 17 дней назад
It's a very sad thing.
@MrJackira
@MrJackira 11 дней назад
Its out, and now I finally have a perfect excuse to my friends to quit.
@XAMEREN
@XAMEREN Месяц назад
Dont forget that kernel level games and apps make you more vulnerable
@il_panda1979
@il_panda1979 Месяц назад
the genshin impact scandal
@doyochi02
@doyochi02 Месяц назад
​@@il_panda1979 whats that
@callmenik1298
@callmenik1298 Месяц назад
Yeaaa and then i play 2games of cs and rb6 and i get insta spinboting in cs and obvious walls in rb 6 oh and dont get me even started about tarkov 😂😂 i have never encountered a cheater in valorant in 2 years of playing.
@SimoneGianpi
@SimoneGianpi Месяц назад
@@callmenik1298 And what has that to do with what he said?
@GVRreal
@GVRreal Месяц назад
@@callmenik1298 the reason theres no cheaters is cuz everyone is fucking scared of the anticheat actually just bricking their computer. one day we will decompile the anticheat and its just gonna have a dedicated function to just wipe your hard drive
@snealthyfox
@snealthyfox Месяц назад
Honestly you should rename this to "Is Vanguard Spyware?" or "Is Riot Game's programs Spyware?" because I literally linked this to a friend who begs me to play League (which also uses Vanguard now by the way) and he simply responded with "Don't play Valorant so doesn't matter" and won't even watch the video... He might not be the target audience but simply asking if Valorant is spyware isn't really accurate anymore now that they're forcing it onto players for all Riot games now.
@EfeDursun125
@EfeDursun125 Месяц назад
so ture, most of the people is not smart enough to understand this...
@EfeDursun125
@EfeDursun125 Месяц назад
i have a friend too and he does not even care about it, he literally saying "everyone is stealing the data".
@COLAdg
@COLAdg Месяц назад
🤓 actually vanguard is currently only on the philippines server so if your friend is not playing on that server he does not need vanguard to be installed to play league
@noobgam6331
@noobgam6331 Месяц назад
league does not use vanguard
@EfeDursun125
@EfeDursun125 Месяц назад
@@COLAdg for now...
@bigbang2a
@bigbang2a Месяц назад
Nice video! I would have some follow-up questions based on this observation: - How much data does Valorant send when the game is not running? Are we in the kilobytes, megabytes, hundreds of megabytes per hour? - Does this value increase significantly when the game is running? - Are there other events that cause an increase in the amount of data sent? Such as filling in a password/credit card in an online form, typing China or Taiwan on the keyboard, etc.? These could help us understand more about what it does :) Thanks!
@Prometheonlol
@Prometheonlol Месяц назад
china actually wants access to the 5 dollars in your bank
@trektn
@trektn 28 дней назад
valorant sends everything about your config to tencent in the TB range from advertising data to last windows install date, if the game is running it doesn't send anything and functions purely as an anticheat, if you make online payments specifically for riot skins it's reported, other transactions are logged but are disregarded, it also sends more data if it suspects you are using a vpn, riot also keeps a log of if you're browsing their secret list of account selling websites with an IP kept, some of it is security through obfuscation source: nothing, this is just baseless speculation I was hoping someone else could contribute
@FlazuelJr
@FlazuelJr 13 дней назад
@@trektncome on I read your message hoping to get a source and its just nonsense
@trektn
@trektn 12 дней назад
@@FlazuelJr some of it is plausible, riot won't tell us what they check or do so cheaters can clean up their footprint in those areas so it's not a completely bulletproof anticheat if you know the right things to hide. Some of the things they are actually checking is DMA devices if you potentially did something cheaty but possess a device that can freely edit memory
@SiennaVathy
@SiennaVathy 18 дней назад
thanks for always being so thorough in your explanations!
@SilentGamePLS
@SilentGamePLS Месяц назад
Yes, any DRM that runs with kernel level permissions can be considered spyware turning into malware category, Windows is already a data harvesting center, no need to add more vulnerabilities to it.
@draculemihawk10
@draculemihawk10 Месяц назад
Forget those "pro-active detection" tests between Bitdefender and Kaspersky, the real winner is whoever blocks Vanguard
@LynKazoyuu
@LynKazoyuu Месяц назад
i remember BD had issues with Valo when it first came out lol
@draculemihawk10
@draculemihawk10 Месяц назад
@@LynKazoyuu Lol
@mosti72
@mosti72 Месяц назад
Windows itself blocks the Vanguard driver if you have "hardware-enforced stack protection" turned on, and this is supposed to be a security feature.
@unearthlynarratives_
@unearthlynarratives_ Месяц назад
@@mosti72 Oh you mean the same anti-tamper protection that also stopped EAC and Battleye from working? Or let me guess, you didn't do enough research to know that most major AC's were affected?
@mosti72
@mosti72 Месяц назад
@@unearthlynarratives_ Did I ever say that it only exclusively blocks Vanguard? FYI, I've had similar experiences with other anti-cheat software, and I'd say the worse I had experienced so far is nProtect. My point is that the Windows anti-tampering mechanisms itself doesn't like these anti-cheat software.
@silence4114
@silence4114 25 дней назад
Question: If you exit vanguard, can it still process what you are doing on your pc? I used to love valorant before I came across concerns about vanguard and noped out, I always exited vanguard when I was not playing but was still very suspicions that especially if they want to collect your data, they are just going to let you turn off their data collection that easily. Is it safe to have on my pc if I turn it off when not using it? Or does it still have kernel drives running and collecting information about what im doing?
@Denniz69
@Denniz69 24 дня назад
Same question
@thrax1831
@thrax1831 20 дней назад
It does turn off when you click exit, as far as I know. Most people are to lazy to exit every time they turn on their pcs
@Ttangko_
@Ttangko_ Месяц назад
We need to make the clear demand "lay out openly the cryptic untraceable connections and what data it sends and where" and direct the debate as a community in such a direction
@MikaelKKarlsson
@MikaelKKarlsson Месяц назад
An excellent topic since it involves so many games nowadays. It would be great if you could do more reporting on similar software, so that people can make more informed choices.
@Kosaii-
@Kosaii- Месяц назад
Something I'd like to add simply as food for thought is that vanguard, from a anticheat perspective, runs before user mode is initialized due to the fact that cheating drivers are able to be launched before user mode initializes as well. This way the anti cheat can catch cheat drivers that inject into the host pc to then uninitialize before VGC can run. I think their are much better work arounds for this rather than making your AC run as a kernel driver 24/7 on your pc but it does make sense as an argument as to why it needs to be initialized at boot.
@Noriaela
@Noriaela Месяц назад
Someone with critical thinking skills in the comments? You can't be here lol You're completely right. It makes perfect sense that it works and runs the way it does. Most people just use the word rootkit as a buzzword because you can farm clicks from people who wouldn't change their opinion even if the AC was found to be safe. Riot would be stupid as hell to use this to steal anything from its users. Their reputation would not just go out the window but they would also be in trouble legally.
@uros7320
@uros7320 Месяц назад
its a good excuse but there are surely other workarounds. also the anticheat doesnt work properly and people are still cheating so there is that...
@Kosaii-
@Kosaii- Месяц назад
@@uros7320 I mean no defensive system is going to ever be bulletproof. Anti cheat development is a game of cat and mouse. Also, i agree with you on their being other methods, just playing devils advocate for the purpose of providing food for thought
@uros7320
@uros7320 Месяц назад
@@Kosaii- ye i understand that completely but then why be so invasive when even that much isnt goign to bring you back to where you were a few years ago + a lot of peopel wont play the game just because of that. and now the same is going to happen for league. in my 8 years of playing league i have never met someone who was scripting but now they are supposedly all over high elo so that is why everyone in low elo is forced to have this invasive anticheat on 24/7. makes no sense. they should do something similar to how valve treated csgo. you were allowed to type in a launch command that dissables some parts of the anticheat so you could have programs like discord, faceit and nvidia overlays on during the game, but beacuse of that there are slightly bigger chances of you meeting cheaters, like you are put in sepparate queues from people who dont have that command on, but then again most people prefer to put on filters while playing cs so everyone would have that command on and there was no purpose for the change to make game more clear of cheaters, when its quite clear what the playerbase values more, and i feel like the same woudl go for league. the only peolpe that have problems with cheaters are people in the top 1000 in each reason so a total of less than 10k people, and because of that dozens of millions will have to have invasive anticheat on...
@Noriaela
@Noriaela Месяц назад
@@uros7320 that's just dishonest. No one has ever claimed that valorant is cheater free and riot never claimed vanguard would do that. How about not making a bad faith argument because you're too uneducated to actually think of something that makes sense.
@tribacioustee2846
@tribacioustee2846 13 дней назад
Good video. A measured response, not coddling Riot nor being hyperbolic
@dill-frescott
@dill-frescott 16 дней назад
The big question is do Valorant players deserve this for playing the game? Yes
@RakLord
@RakLord Месяц назад
It's also about trusting the integrity of the driver. All it takes is an upstream backdoor to get pushed out to millions of people with ring 0 kernel access and it's gg
@MangaGamify
@MangaGamify Месяц назад
Is it just me thinks there's an alternate earth where all softwares want ring 0 kernel access to avoid being cheated / 🏴‍☠ If all softwares are ring 0 kernel access, no one is.
@mosti72
@mosti72 Месяц назад
​@@MangaGamify iirc back in the DOS days a lot of programs get to access the hardware directly (aka ring-0)
@mosti72
@mosti72 Месяц назад
​@@MangaGamify also if everyone have access to ring-0, the next goal would probably be ring -3 lmao
@b0b2107
@b0b2107 Месяц назад
@@MangaGamify that's why TempleOS exists
@unearthlynarratives_
@unearthlynarratives_ Месяц назад
Same can be said for Microsoft drivers, AMD, Nvidia?
@shurmurray
@shurmurray Месяц назад
wish to see network activity when the game is not running. May be very definitive red flag.
@ahabsbane
@ahabsbane Месяц назад
With a half comprehensive firewall, you can set up logging and rules to do just that. The dream machine pro is a pretty good one if you like Unifi products.
@anispinner
@anispinner Месяц назад
@@ahabsbane this is a good suggestion, but it still can accumulate data when there's no internet access and send it right after you start playing the game, essentially unblocking the firewall.
@pcsecuritychannel
@pcsecuritychannel Месяц назад
I mean, you just saw those connections in wireshark, the game was not running.
@shurmurray
@shurmurray Месяц назад
@@pcsecuritychannel well... It definitely means it's totally not a spyware =)
@shurmurray
@shurmurray Месяц назад
@@anispinner this is not about blocking it from spying - but about clues if it actually does that. If it sends something when the game is not even running - does that mean something?
@speedygamey7160
@speedygamey7160 16 дней назад
I dont know if this is helpful or not but I usually play valorant on seperate os that i installed on a different hard drive, its a debloated lite version of windows 10 with none of my data included, no sign ins, nothing. Just Valorant. I did this because I use windows 11 as my main OS and my CPU is fairly old and doesn't support all the tpm features valorant needs to run. Am I still safe or do i need to switch to a vm?
@albertcheong8497
@albertcheong8497 16 дней назад
yeah its safe
@FlazuelJr
@FlazuelJr 13 дней назад
Its safe either way tbh, this video is quite bad, things like cs go have a worse anti cheat but basically do the same thing.
@guycommenter9150
@guycommenter9150 20 дней назад
And the biggest problem is with vanguard running in the background is not even that it could be considered "spyware", BUT that it also slows down your pc aswell. From my experience i have seen a whopping 30-40% performance decrease and way more stuttering on other games while valorant was installed then when it wasnt installed.
@FlazuelJr
@FlazuelJr 13 дней назад
What? That literally doesn’t make sense, are you just running out of space on your computer?
@gerald8573
@gerald8573 Месяц назад
Tencent is a huge 🚩
@ingohregg688
@ingohregg688 Месяц назад
yeaahh but so is like every big corporation
@johnli7818
@johnli7818 Месяц назад
yea racist
@user-em6tz8gx8s
@user-em6tz8gx8s Месяц назад
@@johnli7818 wtf
@user-em6tz8gx8s
@user-em6tz8gx8s Месяц назад
@@ingohregg688 yeah, but difference being Tencent is from China, and lets not fking pretend that China goverment isnt way worse than some others big corporations (unless we are talking about the US) And screw anyone that thinks that this is somehow ""racist""
@ingohregg688
@ingohregg688 Месяц назад
@@johnli7818 what?....
@Bad_Dragg0n
@Bad_Dragg0n Месяц назад
@pcsecuritychannel can you also cover the anti cheat from helldivers 2? Some people say it shuts down programs by force, others that it doesn't but no one specifies what problems it caused, what it shuts down and how bad it is to ever run that thing?
@ingohregg688
@ingohregg688 Месяц назад
havent had anything shut down and havent heard a word about the ac causing issues might just be a hardware issue on their end
@zine_eddinex24
@zine_eddinex24 15 дней назад
i care about privacy and care about this and like these videos and content keep up ✅👍
@nonsense0000
@nonsense0000 17 дней назад
Meh They are not interested with my 5 TB worth of CP anyway so this is fine
@gerfrorenerapfel
@gerfrorenerapfel Месяц назад
Really love this Format! Would love to also check other games with anticheat if possible!
@gullible119
@gullible119 Месяц назад
They claim it needs to run 24/7 so you can’t inject cheats before u open the game. So when you’re injecting before joining the game, you essentially get tagged and you’re banned. My question however is, how do cheat developers still get around it? What’s the point of having kernel rootkit on your computer when you can still cheat? Then it all adds up. Tencent.
@namufoxy
@namufoxy Месяц назад
How many blatant cheaters do you encounter in your games though? I encountered only one in more than 400h of playtime, and the cheater was actually banned mid-game. Nobody complains about cheats in ranked, that's how trusted Vanguard is regarding banning cheaters. Maybe it's spyware idk, but regarding banning cheaters, it does a good fucking job.
@767corp
@767corp Месяц назад
@@namufoxy LOL most ppls cheat with simple AHK scripts that aren't even recognized by anticheat. That is a sad fact. They just want you to believe it god tier anticheat when in reality it's just there to farm your data. Don't be stupid my guy, who wanna cheat will find a way.
@user-zd3iz3xx6k
@user-zd3iz3xx6k Месяц назад
​@@namufoxymaybe because some people closet cheat or arent as oblivious to cheating, closet cheating is ALWAYS seen and is really easy to do when you have experience actually
@asldfkhjaslk
@asldfkhjaslk Месяц назад
​@@user-zd3iz3xx6k Nope in Vanguard most (if not all) memory injection cheats are detected quite easily. The cheats that people use usually involve a PCI device and a second computer to read the data, for less serious cheats like radar cheats. The aimbots most Valorant cheaters use are Machine learning image recognition HID-based cheats, that provide mouse inputs based on where the enemies are on the screen. I am NOT justifying vanguard's level 0 previleges, I'm just writing some facts for clarification
@user-zd3iz3xx6k
@user-zd3iz3xx6k Месяц назад
@@asldfkhjaslk all that yappin but the only blatant cheat in there is aimbot, everything else is used for closet cheating
@BeenYT
@BeenYT Месяц назад
if you reverse engineer the part of vanguard/valorant which sends packets to riot servers, couldnt you get the encription keys and algorithm and change the ip to a server you own and read the data that they are sending? it doesnt seem too difficult for some with experience reverse engineering things?
@thrax1831
@thrax1831 20 дней назад
Not if its encrypted with a public key that you have locally on vanguard, but needs a private key to decrypt, how most cryptology works. You cant decrypt using a public key.
@mauricebenink
@mauricebenink 13 дней назад
If you reverse engineer you can just pick the package before it sends and encrypts. You could also do a man in the middle attack, pretending your riots severs, allowing you to receive the message. You only dont know what they do with the data. Most of the arguments he made they where all kinda ehhh. Main reason why valorant runs with startup is to ensure you dont have cheat drivers installed (these are invisible to anti cheat if the anti cheat starts after this driver)
@Zoran69
@Zoran69 20 дней назад
Please can you also do Naraka Baldepoint? It's also free2play and has been rumoured to also contain Spyware and requires you to disable windows security settings just for it to run. Thank you! 😀
@ImxxFuZe
@ImxxFuZe Месяц назад
This is why I love this channel. Keep up the great work!
@phpleo
@phpleo Месяц назад
Wou, thanks so much. I have waited so long for this kind of video: Video-games + Cybersecurity. Please, the next video could be EA/Respawn Apex Legends? Recently this video-game had a scandal related with cheats and it's anti-cheat in online competition. Thanks!
@thebombplayer2986
@thebombplayer2986 Месяц назад
Tencent owns EA therefore they also own apex/Respawn...
@Amir-1000
@Amir-1000 Месяц назад
Systemcare can off the background vanguard if open the valorant. vanguard not opening but you need to optimize use systemcare after open valorant
@ohfdfbc
@ohfdfbc 16 дней назад
Chinese game btw
@gickygackers
@gickygackers 6 дней назад
Counterstrike 2 anticheat is the same malware rootkit(faceit)
@aritrakumar093
@aritrakumar093 Месяц назад
i literally deleted valorant and youtube recommenced me this
@EfeDursun125
@EfeDursun125 Месяц назад
your data has been sold to the youtube 😂
@tools.shoe.country.quickly
@tools.shoe.country.quickly Месяц назад
theyre in your walls. u nder your skin. ... inside your brain .. . . . wake up . . . . . . . john google is onto you..
@user-zd3iz3xx6k
@user-zd3iz3xx6k Месяц назад
​@@EfeDursun125data is being sold everywhere, i mean idgaf if youtube sells my name or password, f*** tencent its just personal hate
@RezzieRaccoon
@RezzieRaccoon Месяц назад
get a fresh install of windows you still have the backdoor
@PhartingFeeting
@PhartingFeeting Месяц назад
delete vanguard too if possible
@BalkanDrifters
@BalkanDrifters Месяц назад
Also not to mention that it REQUIRES you to have Secure Boot enabled in bios 💀 Meaning that if I want to run linux based distros and play valorant on Windows, I gotta non stop switch bios settings
@Masterpouya
@Masterpouya Месяц назад
Oh! Didn't know that! Thanks
@prayhe
@prayhe Месяц назад
That sucks but as a Linux User I'm sure you're skilled enough to make your OS secure boot compatible ;)
@mariosanchez7836
@mariosanchez7836 Месяц назад
You can just install windows 10 and ditch the trash that is windows 11, i dualboot arch+win 10 and no secure boot is required.
@zoeyaaahmed203
@zoeyaaahmed203 Месяц назад
fedora, ubuntu, debian and linux mint all have secure boot support, but it can get dicey if you use the nvidia drivers that arent part of the main OS.
@JohnDoe-ip3oq
@JohnDoe-ip3oq Месяц назад
This is why you use open suse.
@aldosansan2335
@aldosansan2335 4 дня назад
Great analizys,I was thinking the same, why whould an AntiCheat has to run all the time? That behavior is most regular to an spyware as is a sentinel from a 3rd party that does not allows you to know anything about it. The fact they are running in AWS , means they have a cheap, more advanced system, they know how to make Vanguard just turn off. Final thought, is it really that impossible to fix your game to do not allow cheats? AntiCheat systems should be in server end, not end user.
@Jahus
@Jahus 13 дней назад
Now they force it into League of Legends as well.
@LouisOrangeCat
@LouisOrangeCat Месяц назад
Yea, that is exactly why I don't like this anti cheat, not because it's kernel but the behavior
@corpingtons
@corpingtons Месяц назад
Unless you have value in your pc doesent matter at all I
@yrmuq
@yrmuq Месяц назад
@@corpingtons in every situation you have something value in your pc)
@ricerice245
@ricerice245 Месяц назад
​@@yrmuqif i had a pc for gaming i would specifically make it so theres nothing of value on it and i would have it on a separate network because video games are chalk full of malware and online games open yourself to network attacks from easily angry gamer script kiddies.
@xBintu
@xBintu Месяц назад
​@@ricerice245you are just hating on video games 😂 and spitting random accusations around
@bennybouken
@bennybouken Месяц назад
​@@ricerice245just say you don't like to play games
@JPEaglesandKatz
@JPEaglesandKatz Месяц назад
For it would be a very easy decision.. I would not even consider getting the game. I don't care if it can be disabled (but can it really)... It is a matter of principle.. And coming from a very questionable source makes it even more problematic. Would be nice to see some traffic figures with the service actually activate while not ingame.. If it is still sending/receiving data or maintaining connections. And as for malwarebytes.. I've tested 3 major antivirus/total security solutions in the last month.. Malwarebytes, ESET and Norton 360.... Malwarebytes was slowing my system down so much (it fealt like by more than 50%) it didn't pass the test.... ESET was the best performance wise. But finally settled on norton 360 deluxe because I could get it for a very affordable price. So far it does not dissapoint. Performance impact seems a tad higher than ESET but overal great. Malwarebytes needs serious work (IMHO). I also absolutely dispise Malwarebytes big android like interface.... Like I'm running it on a phone or console. I haven't seen any comparison videos testen several antivirus back to back for years now I think.. Aside from your ransomware 200+ script tests which you seem to like doing but in my opinion the way you are testing it is far from optimal.
@Teban-uj3ds
@Teban-uj3ds Месяц назад
i play the game but i feel like these are one of the things everyone should be aware of with such a delicate topic as data collecting
@boraxpr
@boraxpr Месяц назад
Whenever I installed Valorant and had Vanguard running in the background, I often experienced blue screens, occurring once a day when playing other games or sometimes crashing when browsing random stuff on the internet.
@lufiron
@lufiron Месяц назад
Isn't there a way to monitor your traffic of packets coming in/out? Like just have a computer running Vanguard, do normal everyday internet stuff, but not play Valorant, and monitor how many packets are going to those servers?
@Gramini
@Gramini Месяц назад
You can use another device that acts as a hardware proxy that monitors the connections. Did that a few years back when Vanguard was new, and it still made those connections *after* it was "uninstalled". Those requests did not appear when trying to monitor the network on the infected device itself, meaning Vanguard hides itself, but is still there.
@0hReactions
@0hReactions 27 дней назад
isnt this just wireshark? which he is showing in the vid, the problem is that Vanguard is running 24/7 regardless of whether you play the game, and it has Kernel level access. Tencent is notably a massive internet technology company in China, and in order for such a company to exist, they need to have deep ties with the Chinese Communist Party. This is what had gotten TikTok into a lot of trouble causing a reshuffle in management. And even now the US government believes Tiktok’s parent company is monitoring and storing user data.
@watcher333666
@watcher333666 Месяц назад
I would suggest looking at a rampant development of "cheating" software, where things go up to having a separate system running video analysis and sending commands to a mechanical mouse controller connected to a gaming station. Or "mouse assist" software. What I think AV companies are missing is a gaming solution. Most of the AVs have ELAM drivers so you are already up in the filters list anyways, you just make a product game companies can all on a machine and after a success reply progress into a game menu.
@maxmaxmaxsupermax1025
@maxmaxmaxsupermax1025 Месяц назад
Beautiful wallpaper, where did you get it?
@maxtheboiii7356
@maxtheboiii7356 Месяц назад
cant you just check with wireshark if it makes connections while the game is not opened i mean it would work as long as the anticheat doesnt save it and send it when the game is opened idk
@rholouh7483
@rholouh7483 Месяц назад
Have you tried proxying the HTTPS connections through Burp or similar? If they don't enforce HSTS then you could read most if not all the packets, although latelly a lot of endpoints are enabling this feature
@partoftheworlD
@partoftheworlD Месяц назад
You think anti-cheat will communicate with server using https lol? Anyway, even if you bring up a local DNS server, most likely the traffic will be encrypted, so the best solution is reverse-engineering and find encryption method before send and after recv.
@Gramini
@Gramini Месяц назад
@@partoftheworlD I doubt it uses plain HTTP…
@Sebastian-wb6df
@Sebastian-wb6df Месяц назад
I really like these types of videos, I wish you would bring more of this content. You can include R6, Cs2 or some games with Easy Anti Cheat, and then compare them
@ingohregg688
@ingohregg688 Месяц назад
cs' anticheat is a joke
@johnli7818
@johnli7818 Месяц назад
yea none of them works lmao thats why you need vanguard
@ze_diddle_v3
@ze_diddle_v3 Месяц назад
@@johnli7818 huh
@johnli7818
@johnli7818 Месяц назад
@@ze_diddle_v3 have you played those games? I invest thousands hours in Cs, hundred hours in cs2 and thousand hours in apex. They are flooded with cheater. Imagine the pro league of Apex legend NA tournament got hack mid game literally! That tells you what EAC is capable of nothing.
@ze_diddle_v3
@ze_diddle_v3 Месяц назад
@@johnli7818 always been like that all you goota do is pray god not to have cheaters in your game we ll been there i have 5k hours in cs and 2k in apex i play them a lot
@baraka629
@baraka629 3 дня назад
Faceit is a 3rd party matchmaking service for CS2, it's not part of CS2 as shipped by Valve. VAC does not operate in ring 0.
@NoName-kl2jb
@NoName-kl2jb 5 дней назад
Not to mention about random stutter that happens on most DDR4 AMD with FTPM and secure boot issue, although it needed.
@tuhp5237
@tuhp5237 Месяц назад
something to note about FACEIT: while you can stop it you cant play online just by turning it on again you have to restart your pc aswell idk why that wasnt mentioned edit: should also be noted that one of the ways that csgo cheats bypassed vac for a LONG time was just shutting down vac/steam loading all the stuff needed and then turning it back on so its not like its completly pointless that vanguard is always running and wont let you play valorant if you've turned it off.
@moss550M
@moss550M Месяц назад
It was making my computer restart immediately after shutting down Vangard, so i couldnt use my computer at all unless I left it running, the games not good enough to deal with that, so its gone forever lol
@partridgio
@partridgio Месяц назад
you dont have to restart your pc for faceit AC to work you just have to load it up and restart your game
@jaysiddhapura
@jaysiddhapura 28 дней назад
Simple redundancy check would solve the vac bypass issue which u mentioned in ur edit ? Dont u think ?
@borisvokladski5844
@borisvokladski5844 Месяц назад
It could be interesting to set up a Pi hole DNS and use it to monitor the DNS lookups over a longer period. Plus trying to block some of the domains to see if the game is still playable.
@guguigugu
@guguigugu Месяц назад
apparently, anything you do to it gives you a BSOD. certainly wise to have such unstable software in your kernel.
@shroomer3867
@shroomer3867 Месяц назад
@@guguigugu Ah yes, totally not a rootkit
@unearthlynarratives_
@unearthlynarratives_ Месяц назад
@@shroomer3867 You're so delusional, drivers are specifically made to BSOD you if you tamper with them. They will have hooks on debugging flags and any changes made to the driver will cause a BSOD. That's how every single AC driver works, they BSOD you to prevent cheaters from reverse engineering it further.
@ehqwk
@ehqwk Месяц назад
@@guguiguguYou don't test software stability by disabling shit it needs.
@guguigugu
@guguigugu Месяц назад
@@ehqwk thats exactly how you do it
@SMAntony007
@SMAntony007 25 дней назад
love your video. honestly underrated
@TheGreenDeath8914
@TheGreenDeath8914 Месяц назад
I don't really know if Riot/Tencent is actually doing this, full-on dystopian style: Vanguard roll-out, and it does two things: act as a kernel-level anti-cheat AND collect all sorts of (personal) data, that either goes straight to Tencent or is passed on to them by Riot Games. Two birds with one stone, disguise the whole thing as a big anti-cheat and off you go. Wouldn't that be super risky for either Tecent and/or Riot Games? The second half comes to light and makes big headlines, worst-case it costs them a huge amount of money, at least most of what they got from it: Data - for which there's not really a cash prize, but you know what I mean.
@mxgamer124
@mxgamer124 Месяц назад
kind of a wierd thing, when i unistalled valorant its still in the task manager start up with power on programs as a file that can be turned on or be disabled and the icon is a deaflot icon for txt files. Is it still spying on me , idk but im a little bit concerned. Edit: the file name in task manager is "Riot"
@raphaelalexander4122
@raphaelalexander4122 29 дней назад
prob riot client
@omniyx7837
@omniyx7837 23 дня назад
dude riot is not fucking spying on you. you uninstalled valorant, not riot client, just uninstall riot.
@mxgamer124
@mxgamer124 13 дней назад
@@omniyx7837 that's the thing, I don't have riot installed
@silenced._.8969
@silenced._.8969 Месяц назад
From what I've heard from the vanguard developers the main reason for the need to have it launch on boot is to prevent tampering with it prior to launch. So to summarize all of it's odd features: - Anticheats are useless unless they are embedded within the kernel - Vanguard is one of if not the best at detecting cheats So the simple answer seems to be that these are just measures taken to secure the competitive integrity of the game. But I don't doubt that somewhere along the line someone at tencent has looked into this and seen a juicy juicy data collection opportunity. I believe the original reasons were honest, but that they might've been turned into something else along the way.
@NightRaven5568
@NightRaven5568 Месяц назад
Well yeah Vanguard goes hard you are almost guaranteed to get banned from Valorant in the first 30 minutes-1 hour of using cheats a friend of mine was in a comp game that ended because someone turned on their cheats it is a necessary evil otherwise the ranked games would be filled with nothing but cheaters
@unearthlynarratives_
@unearthlynarratives_ Месяц назад
Finally someone reasonable that doesn't parrot the same shit all these idiots do. I applaud you for having critical thinking skills dude
@IWatchSecks
@IWatchSecks Месяц назад
Vanguard is average at best, valorant has as many cheaters as pretty much any other game. Original reasons behind vanguard are irrelevant, point is that CCP can request data from tencent at anytime.
@ehqwk
@ehqwk Месяц назад
@@IWatchSecksTheres no way you say it's "Average at best" when high level CS players find cheaters to be a massive problem while high level valorant players basically never complained about cheaters.
@zaretno719
@zaretno719 Месяц назад
@@IWatchSecks "average at best" why don't you list me all the competitive games and their respective AC that are better than vanguard. I've been playing for 3 years now CONSTANTLY duoing or stacking with my friends at diamond and WE have personally never seen the red screen during those sessions. Im curious what you think is better
@AntiGrieferGames
@AntiGrieferGames 18 дней назад
Any plans to make the Video about Wuthering Waves AntiCheat when its Released at 23th may? that would be very interssing.
@Chomakot
@Chomakot Месяц назад
I know it sucks having it running 24/7 all the time but in my 3 years of playing I've only encountered couple of cheaters, the rest claiming there are tons of them either saw the tiktok vids where they showcase cheats that are already detected and will get you banned immediately or skill issue. And people still use Faceit despite it being with around the same access
@ghostHackd
@ghostHackd Месяц назад
I don't trust tencent with a 10 foot pole
@corpingtons
@corpingtons Месяц назад
Riot games is located in California not china they have stake also riot employees are us citizens it’s not a virus
@ParIoYT
@ParIoYT Месяц назад
its called tencent cuz every person that uses its product gets its personal data stolen and sold for ten cents
@Amygondor
@Amygondor Месяц назад
I don't trust anything that's under the CCP's control, not even chinese citizens abroad. Look up chinese civilian-military merge laws, there are NO chinese civilians, everyone is required to act as a soldier or spy whenever the CCP requests it.
@youngruggedandraw6864
@youngruggedandraw6864 Месяц назад
​@@PartlyXenonfool go be a teacher at some high school or something homie. Dont waist yo time being up in them comment on RU-vid
@FOGoticus
@FOGoticus Месяц назад
I assume you don't play any unreal engine based games, you don't use discord, you don't play any games on your phone being made by studios where tencent has stakes in them etc. Or else this is just a lie you tell yourself at night to sleep well.
@culturedivined
@culturedivined Месяц назад
interesting video! if you could do another video on anti-cheats like faceit aswel would be great!
@infectedanimal9830
@infectedanimal9830 Месяц назад
Agreed, vids on easy anti-cheat and BattlEye too would also be really helpful
@thecanadiankiwibirb4512
@thecanadiankiwibirb4512 Месяц назад
Does the vanguard driver get uninstalled alonside the valorant&vanguard system when you tell your computer to uninstall them?
@uigoku8600
@uigoku8600 Месяц назад
no
@omniyx7837
@omniyx7837 23 дня назад
@@uigoku8600 when uninstalling val and riot it gives u an option to uninstall vanguard tho?
@elexbeats
@elexbeats Месяц назад
An anti-cheat needs kernel access (which means full root access). So it can hide itself even in wireshark and there’s no way for you to see suspicious traffic
@Abo7
@Abo7 Месяц назад
Can't we somehow change the private key so that we can decrypt the data? Or maybe fetch the original key? Read it off the memory or the dll
@ImInSpainWithoutTheS
@ImInSpainWithoutTheS Месяц назад
i would love to see a video about that if it's possible
@em_monarch
@em_monarch Месяц назад
No, you can't... How tls work is that you get the server's public key and use it to encrypt the connection and only the server's private key can decrypt that... Look at it like a pair of padlock and key, the client and the server exchange their locks (public keys) during the handshake and then the server/client lock the message box with the other's padlock and only the server's key can unlock just like only your private key can unlock the server's response... You'd have to actually hook the functions or read the memory to see the message before encryption
@Belfer322
@Belfer322 Месяц назад
When I disabled it from auto start in Task Manager does it still sturt up hidden? The game never requires me to restart a pc when I launch it (so I think it does) but wanna be 100% sure
@PreethamS-th1fg
@PreethamS-th1fg Месяц назад
Same here...I disabled the auto start and never saw vangaurd on my system tray after that. The worst part is that the game runs fine without it. So I checked the services running and saw that vgc.exe never runs even if I launch riot client. Either vanguard is just useless or it is running a process which I am not aware of...
@ImaskarDono
@ImaskarDono 17 дней назад
Most likely you have disabled only the tray icon. The driver still runs.
@joshresearch_
@joshresearch_ Месяц назад
How do i get that DLL view?cause vangaurd still doesnt appear under processes which is a bit concerning.
@terrifying_gh0st
@terrifying_gh0st Месяц назад
Yes it is, the difference is that they're forced by law not to sell the data they collect, but by the other aspects it is, in fact you would be scared if could see the amount of data they collect per day.
@seldom_sam
@seldom_sam Месяц назад
So i deleted valorant like last year i went and checked my process explorer and found that the kernel mode driver is actually still running, how do i quit out of the driver so i can delete it?
@Kinatera.
@Kinatera. Месяц назад
Open up command prompt as an administrator type in "sc delete vgc" and then enter then type in "sc delete vgk" then enter reboot and then open up file explorer and go to C:\Program Files\ find "Riot Vanguard" right click it and delete it viola
@ingohregg688
@ingohregg688 Месяц назад
go to control pannel and delete valorant from there. it should give you the prompt of if you want to delete vanguard
@eagleclaws1781
@eagleclaws1781 Месяц назад
Get yourself the free trial version of the REVO uninstaller since it uninstalls more than just the program itself but also everything else it at some point left in your system
@Icerz.
@Icerz. Месяц назад
@@eagleclaws1781Bruh. Settings has a uninstall button and worst case search the program in “This PC” of the files app. You don’t gotta install more software.
@randomdude12370
@randomdude12370 Месяц назад
Great video. Would you check the anti cheat for things such as helldivers 2? I heard that is also a intensive kernel level anticheat that is very disliked. But is it worth avoiding?
@AvocadoSteam
@AvocadoSteam Месяц назад
was considering buying this game, so also would like to know this
@nicz7694
@nicz7694 Месяц назад
Actually, EasyAntiCheat and BattleEye are also Kernel Level as far as I know so games like PUBG, Apex, Ark and co are the same. Never had issues with Helldivers tho
@Katniss0000
@Katniss0000 Месяц назад
only worth avoiding if you use illegal porn. and you are not a main character in a show. Only important people need to care about security. most anti cheat today are kernel level. windows alone is already a data harvesting machine. You are more likely to die than being exploited by this kernel level cheats.
@sas408
@sas408 Месяц назад
Yeah amazing video. - "I dont know what this anticheat is doing but it spooks me and its also chinese so its a SPYWARE!!!!!"
@hardVatsuki
@hardVatsuki 24 дня назад
@@sas408 cannot wait for videos like this but for antiviruses, with their logic is easier to unalive yourself because everything and everyone collecting data on you even if you are not using anything, simply going outside getting you spied on.
@NinjaBigSmile
@NinjaBigSmile Месяц назад
I would really love if you'd make a breakdown of Helldivers2 anti cheat. Great video
@valdasbertasavicius330
@valdasbertasavicius330 16 дней назад
Excellent video, been suspecting Riot games, this time Valorant, just too good of opportunity for Tencent to miss on data collection. This is as close to evidence as possible considering encryption
@JohnDoe-wl8zk
@JohnDoe-wl8zk Месяц назад
I've been playing League of Legends for more than a decade and this is exactly the reason why I purged it out of my life like a month ago, because they're about to implement Vanguard to it too just like with Valorant. This was my limit and they crossed it. In all these years, I haven't found a single cheater in my matches. I won't miss that game anyway and by the way, Vanguard won't stop cheaters completely, only reduce them a bit.
@Wanderer3639
@Wanderer3639 Месяц назад
it would be funny if you say you wont miss it and end up going to dota
@xBintu
@xBintu Месяц назад
of course it can't stop them completely, that's just a marketing/reason they give people. it's functioning like any other anti cheat
@JohnDoe-wl8zk
@JohnDoe-wl8zk Месяц назад
@@Wanderer3639 I never tried Dota and I'm not interested in it, honestly. The only online game that I play now is Tekken 8.
@dyanosis
@dyanosis Месяц назад
@@JohnDoe-wl8zk You never found a cheater? Were you looking? Were you playing with only people you absolutely knew, beyond the shadow of a doubt, weren't cheating? Highly suspect comment.
@JohnDoe-wl8zk
@JohnDoe-wl8zk Месяц назад
@@dyanosis You're free to believe what you want, I'm not gonna try to convince you. Have a good day.
@lucifer_apex
@lucifer_apex Месяц назад
literally 3 seconds before pressing the install button this video appears, thank you
@FlazuelJr
@FlazuelJr 13 дней назад
Tbh this video is pure shit, go have fun on the game. Your phone, windows, google and RU-vid do has much has vanguard does
@OdriHD
@OdriHD 29 дней назад
So can i install tft on a vm or does vanguard also start on the host then?
@rec01l-
@rec01l- Месяц назад
Wait, if riot vanguard is turned off as startup, it should not run 24/7, right? The icon symbol does not appear. When launching the game you need to give admin permissions to launch it
@matejtheog1048
@matejtheog1048 Месяц назад
Yup, you can disable it so it doesnt boot on startup, and its off untill you turn it back on.
@frankwo1fer
@frankwo1fer Месяц назад
Can you do pubg steam next.. please please.. (it makes changes in registry , implements unwanted services which even after uninstalling the game it stays behind , and lot of other weird stuff)
@bytesamurai
@bytesamurai Месяц назад
Awesome video as always. I don't trust them. They will bring this malicious software to LoL in a future update. 😢 Also, Please make an analysis video for Opera GX. It's another software called 'chinese spyware'. 🤔
@McYvar
@McYvar Месяц назад
I’m pretty new to the topic, I stumbled on this video. But you got me curious. Maybe you can answer the question, why does Val (like the actual application) sometimes stay active, even if it seems like you closed it? In task manager is sometimes still showing their win-shipping exe running… and I wonder if that’s just mu pc or not…?
@matejtheog1048
@matejtheog1048 Месяц назад
Think thats just the game not closing properly.
@vaijns
@vaijns Месяц назад
It being windows only, no linux was reason enough to stop playing it every 3 months for a few hours, don't really miss it (I use Arch btw.)
@hotdog77189
@hotdog77189 Месяц назад
Can you give examples what they can do with it? It was mentioned Vanguard is requiring high permissions. What exactly can they do with those permissions? mouseclicks? screenshots? keylog?
@il_panda1979
@il_panda1979 Месяц назад
almost anything, the can even run a exe file, they can use your machine to ddos someone, or to run crypto, ecc, there is not that much of a limit
@user-bq8bt8lr4k
@user-bq8bt8lr4k Месяц назад
Anything on kernel 0 my man.
@tablettablete186
@tablettablete186 Месяц назад
Everything that you mentioned and much more - Modify kernel memory - Inspect every process - Change permissions - Load new firmware (BIOS, vBIOS, ssd firmware...) - Load new drivers - Read and modify every file And this list is not exhaustive lol
@cj.wijtmans
@cj.wijtmans Месяц назад
they could read all of your browser history and passwords from every user on the computer, download all your documents and pictures and analyze your data. They can do anything they want.
@FlazuelJr
@FlazuelJr 13 дней назад
The same thing microsoft can do
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