Why school should start later for teens | Wendy Troxel 

Yes, if only someone would actually listen.

Sad reality is that once we have the control, we will forget what it's like to be teens and keep the stupid cycle going.

i once looked at my math and history teachers time table he might have had lessons until like 5-6 pm but damn that dude had like 3-5 lessons a day , rarely started early and always had 1 hour gaps between them he never had more than 2 lessons back to back

@@lukedetering4490 then never EVER for git and stand up for YOUR KIDS rughts and dont listen to the dam school on WHAT YOU SHOULD AND SHOLD NOT be doing in your own home.

@@tobyjenny7622 It's a crime to skip school, it's called truancy, your parents could be fined if you are caught. It's not what they can and can't do, it's that we have to get up at 6am (like 4am for adults) and go to the hellscape that is school until 2am, then we have 1-3 hours of afterschool programs and 1-2 hours of homework. Then to get at least 8hrs of sleep, we go to bed at 8pm. Worst case scenario we get 1.5hrs of leisure and family time a day, at it's best it's like 2hrs. So maybe be mad at the school districts instead of the parents.

Lord Keltain yeah this was very misleading.

She is not saying that at 11pm every teenager in the world releases melatonin. Melatonin release is related to natural or artificial light stimulation. Teenagers are more sensitive to light stimulation which delays the release of the hormone. This is an evolutionary mechanism related to our circadian rhythm. Creating an environment of artificial darkness earlier in the evening will allow for an earlier release of melatonin, but it takes time for the body to adjust. Still a far better solution than changing the start times of every school. If we went with the 11pm concept, then school shouldn't start until at least 10AM. Can you imaging?

Not only do our bodies not let us sleep before 11pm but extracurricular activities likes clubs and sports make you come back home at 7:30pm and then you need to eat dinner and get situated so it's now 8:30pm, and now time to start 3 hours of homework, and finally fall asleep at midnight on a good day...wake up at 6:30am...AND REPEAT Everyday at school i feel like im dead or dying, like she said "feeling like a zombie." So how does anyone expect you can learn in a state like that? Trying to learn with sleep derivation is the equivalent of trying to learn when you're starving yourself...it hardly works and has terrible effects on our growth. Since this is when we grow, we will suffer the consequences for the rest of our lives. F0K SCHOOL people have to stop acting like it's fine and fix it up already At least make highschool schedules more like college where its RARE to have an 8am class when most start at 9 or even 11am.

Lord Keltain your brain doesnt have a clock. it just has routines. they can be changed. just takes some time

Exactly. Everyone can benefit from minimizing bright light sources during the late evening, so your body settles down and gets ready for sleep, ie. turn off tv/computers/phone 1-2 hours before you go to bed. On the flip side, an alarm-clock with wake-up-light will make it easier to get up, because your are woken from deep sleep by the light gradually turning on.

ZAchie 123 me too, that was deppressing

@The f2p Pyro I have to wake up at 5:45 and I still don't have time to eat breakfast.

Similar situation. In highschool school started at 7am and because I'm a night owl and was a teen, I simply wasn't productive as I wanted to be. Then college came and I had 8am and 9am classes. They are so much more tolerable

I had to change from waking up at 7:00 for middle school and 5:30 for high school. I'm pretty responsible when it comes to going to bed, as I am normally in my bed by 10:00 ( I have extracurriculars Tuesday-Friday that END between 9:00 and 10:00 (one of which is band which is a school-mandated activity), so I'm not home until 9:30) yet I still get horrible headaches from fatigue. People saying that teenagers are lazy and should just change their schedules clearly don't understand marching band/soccer or any other extracurricular.

@@Krivbeknih29303 _Goodness!_ 😮 Why did you have to wake up that early starting in the beginning during (your childhood and adolescence years) primary school at such a young age?? Reasons: Transportation issues and/or road traffic, school early schedule, after school activities, or staying up late without choice in your sleep pattern?

They don't even bother changing things cause it would mean changing the whole school system, which maybe is what needs to be done

TheGodUnknown how does changing the schedule cost money lol

Be the change you want to see in the world. Talk to the people that have the power to make these decisions, show them evidence, if that doesn't work, get more people to support your idea. Eventually, if enough people want a thing, who will be able to oppose them?

That's actually the American way. In Scandinavian countries they actually pay attention to studies like these and adjust things in their societies to live happier lives. I'm not sure why the American way is to keep things unchanged, but it is.

+jasonlajoie you're living in a heaven my friend

@AshleyHayes2004 no the nucleus is the control center of a cell.

@AshleyHayes2004 the dweeb is right

We started at 8:00 and fot out about3:00but it wold usuly be 4: 30 or 5:00 before I wd git home caus gow slow tbe buss wold run ,but it wold tacke 30 minuets to git to school and that was what I thought was strang when i wold git lucky enough to catch a ride home it was 15 minuets to git to school or home so you tell me whay .😕😕😕😕😕

@@tobyjenny7622 Sorry did you even go to school?

With that grammar, it doesn't seem likely that you learn anything at sleep

The school boards are bunch of puppet of a deliberate design. Watch Chomsky

TheGodUnknown Well it's got to start with someone.

I'm emailing it to mine.

grace fuentes Yeah sure....

*yes*

Katy m the best

Imagine what the world would be like if we had scientists in the government, instead of rich corrupt demagogues.

Its because you guys don't live here, in Brazil, the people here don't even care anymore to the corruption, cause its already generalizated on the country, fucking Republicans

@@rodrigosetubal1 lol the system is messed up

Because she's a sleep specialist, not a school administrator.

Metsuryu Then economy would collapse because they aren’t economists.

Mark Nicholson Right? like I just graduated yesterday! she could have said this in 2000 or something.

The sad part is they aren’t even going to do anything even now -_-

i whole heartedly agree with this comment

AllthatmakesFall I feel you bro

so are you a Sophmore in college now its been a year

That's just the case in India as well

same in The Netherlands, though our clases start at 8:30, not 9:00

Omicron942 yea I had French class at 6:30 in the morning

In Germany my first class starts at 7:30

Darius Jones 6:30 ? Never heard about that. Dans le privé ?

Sir Scumbag Me

Damian Oms lol

Omg yes

Sir Scumbag still got a month of school

Wait how is school already over for you. FML

Ross Mawbae nice, they have you trained well to fit into the industrial time clock in the labor force. Ready to work at 16.5 years old.

thats farming for ya :) ;)

Same here. I cant sleep past 5 o clock if i go to bed before 0 to 1 o clock. I wouldnt want school to start later though because i come home at 5 o clock so if i start even later i come home at like 6 or 7.

yeah! we have to be military men, just look outside, you have to be a military men to surive, all this wild animals, all the dangers in the outside world...

+Ross Mawbae ayye same man

They are not being misdiagnosed, they have these sympthoms because of the lack of sleep. So the diagnosis is right, but the cause is different and preventable.

@@twovoa2151 Dude, not lying that I literally have to spend more than 3 hours to complete my homework assignments. Depends on the subject

@@twovoa2151 Quite a lot. Especially because I'm also taking art and graphics for IGCSE, so I'll need to spend more time on drawing, making animations, writing analysis, etc. At the same time, I gotta write essays for my English and Chinese HW and do calculations for maths and physics.... or other science subjects

@@twovoa2151 HaXD thanks?

7:30?! Mine starts at 5!

炎狼奈克瑜 thats fucked up

michaelaltun my spirit animal is a human too!

michaelaltun Mine is a deranged gerbil.

michaelaltun Women is the plural of woman.

RogerWazup007 Judging by your last point, I'm guessing your or someone you know is in the education field! How do you feel about the curriculum given to students?

I teach Spanish, so I'm not entirely familiar with how it is in other fields beyond general information that I use to integrate content. I do feel that students should be taught life and work skills, such as customer service, budgeting, public speaking, management, civics (including when, where, and how to vote), evaluation of credibility and bias in sources, finance, digital safety, learning their rights (especially related to police, work, situations such as being robbed, scams, etc.), cooking, and nutrition. To make time for the above, there needs to be more schooling and/or less time in other areas. I propose cutting time from less important things, such as poetry, cursive writing, old English literature, and repeated history material. However, one thing that has bothered me since I was a student was how students often aren't responsible for what they learn after a semester ends, resulting in everyone forgetting what they learn and teachers reteaching it over and over again (also caused by long summer breaks). It would be great to have material be referenced in following years with higher-level thinking and/or integrated approaches instead of teaching WWII multiple times from scratch. As for returning subjects, I think that one class in all major science fields should be required in high school: physics, chemistry, biology, geology, astronomy, and psychology. Math should be taught such that students know when, why, and how to use it in the real world instead of only knowing how to solve problems that are right in front of them, usually based on the current section. PE should teach more independence to the point where students can design their own workout routines instead of class consisting of only doing what the teacher says. English should include codeswitching to modern professional English with tasks that students will see in college and at work, such as writing emails, writing academic essays and research papers, and giving formal presentations. History should include historical method, writings from the times and places discussed, and a neutral perspective rather than one that's filtered to be pro-American. Finland's approach sounds very effective: combining subjects rather than keeping them separate. I like the idea of learning about a topic from all different angles. This would be a big change to make, probably requiring teachers to specialize in a specific grade level, where they would teach English, math, science, social studies, and the others in context within units that tie everything together. Regardless of whether or not the above would be beneficial or work in the US, I think it's important that students not be pushed along who aren't ready. An atmosphere where students feel safe and where learning isn't constantly interrupted is very important, which is why I feel that there should be very low tolerance for students who are constantly disruptive or disrespectful. Smaller class sizes would probably improve behavior. Lastly, I do think that electives are important. Here, students could learn trades, study academic subjects in more depth (such as old English literature), learn a second language more than what's required or an additional language, and otherwise explore different jobs (robotics, engineering, architecture, ROTC, farming, programming, business, IT, construction, nursing, etc.). I like the idea of a career exploration class where students learn about, observe, and actually get to try a variety of jobs. The hard part is probably deciding which classes should be required, which should be optional, and how to organize everything.

I've been thinking about this concept for a while. What if through elementary school students are given bare essentials/basics of everything? Basically we teach them what they could do if they learn that and we show them what they could be in the future. Make them interested in the future itself. BUT do not force them to follow when they suddenly change their choice. I think, this is a very important lesson to teach that it's okay if we choose something wrong. I feel that the current system put too much emphasis for being right. Exams only have right or wrong answer and wrong answer is only met with critics that rarely help build confidence. This is probably the hard challenge, because this means the teacher must understand the psychology of child and personally get close to them. Then in middle school they are given choice of few essential lessons and more optional lesson that they have to take. They have to take at least 2 different classes for a semester or a year after that they may choose to continue the lesson or pick another optional class. This system is meant to let the students feel another activity which in my country rarely happen because the school and the parents choose to only focus on class like math, chemistry etc. I believe teenager should experience a lot of thing even just a little. After all a passion is born from spark of interest and spark can only appear when someone doing something. In high school period, they are required to take some classes (math, finance, tax, psychology and any stuff that everyone will face in adulthood). They also have to take optional classes like in middle school. teacher can also encourage student to combine what they learn. using math in programming is normal but what if they used math principle in sports? it could be just a simple math like what is a better angle to trhow a ball? My other idea is also what if the optional class have a special building. So, every optional class have a place where students who wish to learn that class can gather together. Like for example, there's a football stadium that can be used by students in a city regardless of their school. Students from every school in the city/province will use the stadium if they take the football optional class. I think this will encourage interaction and a better relationship because they are here with the same hobby or choice. this will also teach them how to interact with stranger as well as finding people with same interest. This idea is probably the hardest one to implement because it will affect city structure and the way people live.

RogerWazup007 it's been scientifically proven that you're more productive and that you learn more when you read on paper, compared to a screen.

To what extent? Is that from the tendency to get distracted?

@@myrrhder8964 i thnk half a say is sufficient that way the older teen can fi work till about 5:00 if thay sont own a famly farm and the yunger kid can vurn off some of that engery ,learn a usful trade or just plan rest,oh yeah and i think there shold be laws agenst moms working out of the home there is plenty of jobs and trades that thay can do in the home.

JRoc. And you’ll still end up indoctrinated and praised for conformity and bulimia. Most of what you learn in school is absolute garbage. It’s just a government babysitting service. It’s easier to control an indoctrinated, uncreative, sleep deprived and depressed population than it is to control a non-indoctrinated, creative, energized and happy population. It’s all to get Students adjusted to the workforce of tomorrow, while it should be preparing them for the future of today. But nope, the Government just wants corporate little slaves who can’t question, and who can’t voice or have basic human rights. Most Teachers to a fair few even having liberal views, and assignments that pushes left agendas are getting to the desks of children. I remember an acquaintance of mine who was given an assignment like that. He was told to write a Paper on how Gun violence can be resolved by changing gun laws, and give evidence, support it, and source it if it came from a Website. Instead, he wrote how Guns are NOT the problem, only the people who obtain them. And how by funding Health care, people with psychosis or another form of Mental illness can get the help they need, at even lower costs! But he got a Fat F, and was berated by his Teacher for not being “anti gun”, and how she was disgusted by his short minded response. He brought it up with his parents. and the parents were appalled. They took it up to the school, and even the board. (Mind you it’s a Private School), the parents couldn’t really do anything, but the School would end up training their Teachers better and checking the assignments students get very closely. Sadly, it’s probably still the same.

facts its such a waste of time

JRoc then change the education system :D

Chop the whole school in half

if only

Right on. Not only do our bodies not let us sleep before 11pm but extracurricular activities likes clubs and sports make you come back home at 7:30pm and then you need to eat dinner and get situated so it's now 8:30pm, and now time to start 3 hours of homework, and finally fall asleep at midnight on a good day...wake up at 6:30am...AND REPEAT Everyday at school i feel like im dead or dying, like she said "feeling like a zombie." So how does anyone expect you can learn in a state like that? Trying to learn with sleep derivation is the equivalent of trying to learn when you're starving yourself...it hardly works and has terrible effects on our growth. Since this is when we grow, we will suffer the consequences for the rest of our lives. F0K SCHOOL people have to stop acting like it's fine and fix it up already At least make highschool schedules more like college where its RARE to have an 8am class when most start at 9 or even 11am.

Comand94 I think this is a great point you made. Homework (and the very methods used to "teach" students) is a very big problem that causes stress, but I believe there should be a balance. Start school at a later time and create a curriculum that allows students to do schoolwork over homework, with the option to take home smaller assignments or simple things to help a child study. The way the school system and labor/jobs systems are set up (in America at least) are not optimal to allowing students and employees time to explore themselves, their communities, and the world at large. American school systems don't even teach students critical thinking skills to form their own opinions - all of it is about regurgitating information to become a model employee in the work force. And don't get me started on that!!

2-3 hours of homework? U lucky bastards. ))) I remember the times when we had to stay up till midnight at middle school, because of homework. A very few teachers really cared about balancing that out, so you could get MASSIVE hometasks on a whole bunch of subjects in a single day. So when we got about 14 years old, most of us preferred to ditch homework almost completely and compensate our grades with ones we got in class. Btw, even now most schools in Russia don't have lockers, so you also have to carry ALL your books and other stuff with you every day.

Comand94 I think hw is only important for math all other subjects should be learned during class time.

PREACH MY FRIEND!!! PREACH!!!

Yesyyeyeysyyeyeysyes

That is the thing

@Kamil Klepacki Making us teenagers get a lot of sleep and ready to learn is bullshit? Very funny.

@Kamil Klepacki Okay

@Kamil Klepacki But she is right. Didn’t you listen to what she said. In puberty, our biological clocks are delayed. You wanna blame teenagers for something they can’t control????

@Kamil Klepacki lol I think a scientist who specializes in sleep may know more than you.

@Kamil Klepacki because she is. It’s a real hormone. Lmaooo ttheres research and hundreds of evidence into this. Are you even a student or just a school staff member or sumn because your acting sis.

Wat country do you live in?

Damn. Yall can just ditch school like that😭.

falling asleep on the bus

YES ME TOO. lockdown school's been starting at 8:45-9:10 every day and it's been fantastic because you can wake up like, ten minutes before you even have to start. too bad most of us (myself included) are going back this week.

@@gestering Yes, I just went back into school today :( The older years went back today whilst younger years return later in the week

@@ramengurung9913 I'm going back on wednesday, best of luck to you :))!!!

Us teachers want what's best for our students, and sleep is one of the first things we ask students, "are you sleepy, I'm sorry you didn't get enough sleep."

@@tabithadiver6052 if they were actually sorry they would care enough to make school hours better for students. Obviously they don't care that much cuz were still waking up at 5 am .

yhhh

Relatable asf

My middle school started at 9:30, now my high school starts at 7:20. I’ve been eternally exhausted as a freshman

Jealous

@@MrName-fo2td Virginia Beach VA?

lkjhb1 nah I’m in florida

@@MrName-fo2td My high school in Virginia Beach also started at 7:20 am.

Same thing. Go to school, stress out, go to college, stress out, student debt, then a normal paying job or 9 to 5 job. School is designed as "you either succeed or fail"

Ya it’s all true if schools started later in the day then things would be much better lol

but same lmao

SavagerBoy count me in that group lmao

Ayyeee

Same, but at the moment when a teacher asks for a note, I'm just like *shiz*. My mom cares more about my grades than about my health. She got a letter telling her I was failing a class and was like "When your dad comes home, he's removing the lock from your bedroom door! WHY AREN'T YOU STUDYING? STOP BEING SO LAZY AND WORK ON YOUR SCHOOL WORK! YOU CAN'T JUST LOCK YOUR DOOR NOW! THAT WONT HELP YOU!" like seriously, she scares me more than horror games. My heart was beating so freakin fast. Yay on destroying my health:D can't wait to die an early death and be gone. If my mom wasn't so crazy, I'd be ditching more.

@@twovoa2151 My brother and mom are abusive and my sister always reminds me that I'm a failure, that's why. I keep my sanity and a bruise-free body with the door locked otherwise they welcome themselves in 24/7 and drive me mad. The only people who have their doors left open are the ones who trust the people around them.

Melody_Gofy I start at 8:10, also in the Netherlands.

im dutch too and start at 8.15

Melody_Gofy 7:30 in Ohio

7:45 in Germany

8:00 almost everyday but 9 on thursdays (in california)

camerrill Wow, you expect the entire school to be centered around the needs of just your kid? Maybe consider hiring a private instructor if your kid can't get up at a normal time instead of trying to screw every kid in the school out of after-school activities just to cater to your needs.

Sleeping is important but Schools system thinks otherwise

Jordan Stipp Exactly my thoughts

Brandon Cordoop With an adjustment of class length and which classes would be taken, it can be possible. We just need to overcome our bias of school days needing to be 8 hours long.

also concentrating for such a long time is highly inefficient.

TheRoomcleaner in all honesty. my cousin goes to private skl, his classess are 30min each, i go to a grammar skl and mine r 50min. he often has triple periods etc so he gets rougly the same as a double at my skl. indeed smaller classes are better and more free periods for self study is needed

Well looking back at what I learned from school I can pretty much say that sleep deprivation may make you forget a lot of this useless crap.

Matthew Mora My school starts at 7:25 and ends at 2pm. My bus comes at 6:25

Matthew Mora my school starts at 7:05 AM and ends as 2:25 pm. My bus comes at like 6:20

Matthew Mora Fellow (soon to be former, graduating next week) WCPSS student here. We start at 7:25, and thanks to my school being a Magnet School, I wake up at 5:30 at LATEST to take a 40 minute commute to get to school on time.

i live in the same exact county haha, we start at 7:25 and end at 2:18

DONT POST YOUR SCHOOL NAME!! For safety sake

thats like telling a starving person "just eat something" right now its 3:30 am for me , im just starting to get tired , i simply am a person thats not tired at 8pm - midnight , i can go to bed at 11 pm , but then waking up at 5 am is hard , going to bed at 8pm however isnt helping either , i just cant fall asleep , and if i had come home at 3pm , and eaten something even without homework , i just have 5 hours for stuff then , thats not really good imo

Night owls: 💀

That's me right now lmao

ChaosmanOne I live in Canada and we start at 8:00 am but I have to wake up at 6:30 ish

ChaosmanOne i live in Canada and my school starts at 840 as well.

I'm in Murica and I wake up at 5:00 to get to school. School starts at 6:50.

TinaASMR X the know how ya feel I have to wake up at 4 am to get to school on time