Why Scientists Think Elon Musk's Mars Idea is Terrible 

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Regardless, it’s better to have a backup plan on Mars.

It wasn’t a let’s run from the issues on earth it was a back up plan incase something out of our control were to happen to earth. A backup for life. And getting to other planets and terraforming them makes us have to work out unique issues and in Doing so as side effects we create other neat things we’ll end up using in daily lives. I don’t care how intelligent Tyson is, by saying hey let’s never progress and expand out to explore is just ignorant.

It's not a competition, we can do both.

@@Slayr. Sure, but I'd say fixing Earth is a MUCH higher priority. Terraforming Mars is a cool long-term goal but not viable in the short-term

They could be more powerful though, my guy.

No no he’s right

Or, it could be because we say things like, "tryna"

LOL

@@john.wick1 ok mister grammar police 🤓

Besides the difference in name, Martian Regolith is the exact opposite of the contents on Earth that we call soil but forgetting about all that it may be lethal but I'm pretty sure the suits would protect you

It's more about the leftover radiation.

U ruined it

I feel like "I can't decide if I should eat a tide pod, or a$$" is more humans in a nutshell, and your comment is more government in a nutshell.

Asteroids wouldn't improve the situation either.

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Yea and people soon realised it's not that simple. However, for someone of Elons caliber to continue believe this should tell us he isn't as intelligent in the scientific field. He's just a good business man.

Dont tell me you don't like seeing stuff blow up tho?

Whether he came up with the idea or not is irrelevant, if you believe in an idea and you understand and support it wholeheartedly, it becomes yours. That's a fact.

The idea was brought up by Soviets back in 1969 ! They thought climate changing Mars would make it livable, however they couldn't have rockets that reached that far, thus thw hypersonic missile yet they only just discovering the negative effects with nukes, they will have to use something else to do it.

@@work90 *Con man.

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magnets are very different from unbrellas haha

You're a legend Mr labs!

Hey! That's just like how, if Earth's perfectly circular orbit was off by just a single inch, we'd all die. Instantly.

What if we found a way to send Our greenhouse gases to mars? If you can trap smoke in a bag maybe we can do something similar with our air waste.

@@bulletproofkarma9480 There are a few moons that have "reasonable effort" potential.

@@Slayr. You're joking right? You want to put smoke into bags and ship it to Mars? For one, you'd have to compress that gas in order for it to fit on spacecraft Then it would take an insane amount of resources to ship all of it to Mars And in the end it still wouldn't be anywhere near enough greenhouse gasses to get Mars's atmosphere close where we want it

@@Slayr. easy to say than actually doing it

@@shadowdragon3521 maybe we could build this on Mars.

I'm 30 too and I thought in my lifetime we would see it but now I'm not to sure. Hope there's recarnations of some sort lol then we will be able too 😂 I think maybe there's truth in all religions so maybe that parts right and we will be able to experience life outside this world at a massive level of beauty

By the time you are 70 maybe they will be able to extend life to 200 years and you will see it 😉

What's the point of seeing people going to Mars? It's not like you and me will go there, it's gonna be for the elite to save themselves after destroying earth.

@@pixytorres7117 because it'll be cool?

@@vanessaheslop9838 What made you think we would see it in our lifetime? I’ve been hopeful but I know that technology is distant. I’m 30 as well.

It's all politics unfortunately that's stopping progression because everything costs money

This is for the future, you have to make a start now so by the time Earth is no longer habitable or when the sun swallows us, we will hopefully be able to live on an entire different solar system. Think about how many millions of years this will all take.

Shame these resources aren’t communal

Both are quite different ideas

You do know that in a soon we'll can't live on earth since pollution and others the sun will die out

The 1% don't appreciate Earth, which is why they allow climate change to run rampant and block any and all action towards it. The people should NOT build any escape space craft for the 1% if it is the last thing we do.

Like really…Tf we need mars for, this is probably how aliens view us “maybe we should blow up that whole planet and start it from scratch so it better suits our environment & way of survival”

Yep. From having the perfect magnetosphere to our perfect atmosphere, to the insane story of chemical evolution that created life in the primordial oceans, we have a crazy lucky history. I wish more people couple understand how absurdly lucky we are to exist.

The explorers becomes the dominant race.

@@TreyMan2tt well we only have 20 years left on this planet dude before we undergo total global devastation

That's actually a great advertising idea

Earth ofc need to be saved but colonizing other planets is cool. Also Earth is capable of holding like 10 bilion people and being overcrowded so other planets would be helpful for further expansion

you are right. if we can't make Sahara desert into Sahara forest there is no point on thinking terraforming other planets

@@Zydraxis That's the dumbest analogy i've ever heard.

Sometimes people are so smart they over think problems that have a simple solution.

We don't have the technology to terraform Earth, that is in the far future. We're already having a tough time removing greenhouse gases from Earth while Mars has hardly any, which is why adding greenhouse gasses to mars instead of earth is actually beneficial in order to make it's atmosphere livable compared to how it is currently. Most of these methods involve laying impacts onto celestial bodies. Most of which could end some amount of lives on earth, and even change our atmosphere and affect animals for the worse.

@@Slayr. but... he has a point

Is more fallout the desired?

@@mr.monitor. I think its more the heat from the bomb they're after. Fallout is like chernobyl where it will be radioactive for 10,000 years. Thermonuclear is way bigger bomb with maybe 10-100 years of radioactive fallout. Research the difference between fission bomb and fusion bomb. Excuse the pun but it blew my mind!

Tell that to the irradiated atolls in the Pacific where we conducted early H-bomb tests.

Could go for the SLAM missile, might as well if man ever creates a rocket with fusion as the power source, then such blows up on the pad, then another, and then another. I suppose it would save on electricity, for cooking and lights being all round radiation

Friendly fire lil bro

We still might need to go to mars due to over population

@@cheezcurdz2662 yeah but we could keep earth and have the moon too

we cant protect the earth fully either... so ye think about what happened to dinosaurs.

Well except to give the human race a chance to not all be killed at once in the event of a extinction level event. Idk something about dinosaurs and an asteroid

@@cheezcurdz2662 world population is going to be stagnant at about 10b so it really isnt a problem

Elon has made mars hype too high, sad.

@@caesarsalad1170 Sad, but I wouldn't mind with Venus tbh ^^ I like the water, it reminds me being peaceful than messing with Mars, I even feel highly sad if I did live there just because of Elon "plans". I would feel regret for not able to live a simple, beautiful life like alien does on space

Venus has a surface temperature of 500f . That's far from warm.

I disagree. Humans seem to be really experienced in regards to warming planets up, we could easily do that with Mars.

Exactly, this is something people don’t seem to consider.

My thoughts exactly. Mars is a great place for a jumping off start. Low gravity, etc.

(My comment is a joke btw I agree with this comment don’t take it too seriously)

​@@Nonamelol. Except that ignores the lack of a magnetosphere, meaning solar wind strips the atmosphere. Also, as the video notes, there's a severe lack of water to bring the atmospheric pressure up. Once you get a magnetosphere going, you'd need to piledrive icy comets into the place, then a solar mirror to melt it. A better use would be to dismantle it and get a dyson swarm going.

One man's junk is another man's treasure. Or one planet's junk this time.

Skyblock irl

*you'll only aggravate and annoy the subterranean martian civilization that still dwells there by doing that...probably not the best course of action for the well being on those who still live on earth and keep all our stuff here...just sayin'*

Hm. Well that would require less resources to get the resources there Possibly. Especially if the asteroid has a lot of metal and other materials. Then we'd need the equipment to mine it, store it, and have some sort of factory to manufacture with it already on the planet. I don't think we can build it from scratch through the asteroids resources, mainly because we'd already need the stuff there to extract it and use it. And any humans on the planet would need to steer clear of the impact zone, if we use robots maybe less so.

and what a lie it was. i remember this being in my textbooks lol

Maybe, but a sun shield that large could have an effect on Earth's orbit around the sun. Sun shields are currently being tested by NASA as a potential propulsion system.. one big enough might _move_ the Earth.

The video actually addressed this, it was as they started talking about a radiation shield to keep mars in its shadow.

The video attempts to address that issue. However I can see Elon musk saying drill to the center of the planet and bomb the heck out of it

Did you even watch the video?

It is possible to create an artificial magnetosphere with a powerful electromagnet at the L1 Lagrange point. Electromagnets powerful enough to do this have already been created.

@@zeroenna8554 cool, a radioactive atmosphere... that's going to solve all the problems.. pffff

Do you mean, a "Comet"

Comets are made of ice... not asteroids

@@bebemax95 What about asteroids ? Is this some form of cosmic prejudice/racism. Why not have asteroids made of ice. I bet there out there but you would prefer to call them comets !

@@noanchompha8665 Asteroids are made of rock, metals and other elements. Some even contain water, astronomers say.

@@thomasgeorge5106 So what. Who cares ! I don't. Asteroids and comets are cellestial bodies and should be treated as sacred and left alone (other than for research purposes.)

are you kidding ? you do know how BIG Mar's core is , right ? how many nukes do you think you'll need ? a couple of hundred million ? more ? We simply don't have the tech to do something like pump enough uranium/thorium into the core to kick start enough decay to generate heat to get the core to stratify and get geomagnetism going, you'd need a mine the size of the moon to extract enough radioactive material. No that is not going to work. Even using some thing like that NASA idea is too wild. The best bet, by far, is simply to go underground. By excavating massive internal caverns, and I mean massive, then we could set up entire cities and have total control over the climate inside. That offers superior options that beat any surface city.

You DO KNOW how the Ozone layer forms, right ? High up in the atmosphere where U.V. has higher energy (shorter wavelength and higher intensity) the energy of that U.V is absorbed by oxygen molecule which is enough to break the covalent bond and causes the free oxygen radicle to form another bond with molecular oxygen forming ozone...

@@psycronizer but it's Mars's gravity alone capable of creating that layer and maintaining it?

@@psycronizer I was thinking more along the line of fusion bombs.

@@nitzan3782 yeah I know...still you're talking hundreds of billions of bombs, I don't think you get how BIG that core is. Look at it like this, the biggest nuke ever , Tsar Bomba, wouldn't even vaporize Hawaiian Islands, now go have a look at google Earth at how small that main Island is, pan out and think about how small that is compared to even a Tenth of Earth's core...lol, it's like atoms to oranges lol...it really is...

probably, but once again no matter how strong the CFC is as a potent greenhouse gas, 1) NaF3 is not common and you have to produce it 2) as u said NaF3 is a highly reactive agent so transporting it to mars will be a headache as any problems or errors may lead to NaF3 even reacting with the metal components and do damage 3)once again the solar winds stip out all of your CFCs in a couple of years or so, so you would need to have a magnetic barrier set up on mars first to think about CFCs. For terraforming, we need something which is like easy to produce/already present, or even like asteroids rich in such minerals so that we can simply divert them to mars and make them crash into mars. Not a bad idea ngl

@@abinanthanva289 Would it be possible to put NF3 into a container surrounded by an argon gas shell, then fire it like a missle into Mars?

how about yesterday?

I don’t think Elon purposefully promotes a dumb idea just so smarter people can tell him why he’s wrong. Especially when he has the bigger microphone in media. This seems like a lot of excuse to just not admit Elon is wrong and either doesn’t know enough to know he’s wrong, or refused to admit so

Co2 is already in the atmosphere of Mars and that point has already been made. The point though is they have came up with a solution to fix that problem. The next point would be gravity to help mars better hold an atmosphere.

@@lovingbeast5045 you can't though. The core is dead. There is nothing on Earth that can fix it.

@@mervstash3692 True, but the core of a planet doesn't really generate gravity though, it is the mass of the planet as a whole that does that. While we cannot restart the dynamo again, the solution of magnetic shielding might be able to be attained through the satellite shield that was introduced in the video. To be honest, I don't know what would happen to the core of the planet if more mass was able to be added to Mars. The action might actually put enough pressure on the core to liquefy around the core to get some kind of dynamo effect started, or it could do absolutely nothing. The thing that is keeping earth's Mantle liquefied is the gravity of the earth putting so much pressure on the iron core of the Earth. That combined with the friction of the Earth's rotation keeps the Mantle in a liquefied state. Take away mass from the earth, you would take away some of that pressure, and thus solidify the Mantle, and voilà you would turn the Earth into another Mars. Yet, humans seem to ignore this inconvenient fact and focus on being silly.

@@lovingbeast5045 You can't have an atmosphere without a working core. The core generates the magnetic field that protects the atmosphere from all the radiation. If you don't address that first, the rest is irrelevant.

@@mervstash3692 Venus would disagree with your statement. Venus' core does not generate a magnetic field, yet Venus has the densest atmosphere of all the terrestrial planets.

Just like the dumb tunnels he wanted to dig under LA with his boring company?

Elon is a clown

@@stang9806 As opposed to you who has clearly achieved so much more in life. I mean with a comment like “Elon is a clown” you are obviously an individual of supreme intelligence, especially since you backed it up with evidence as to why he is a clown.

how do do you know? he's a self-righteous very rich fool

@@albertangeloro5832 He isn't exactly the best person and a madman for sure, but he has the resources and the intellect to lead a technological revolution. I wouldn't call that folly. He's still the best chance at achieving the next stage in our society.

Neil de Grasse Tyson said it the best: if we have the technology to terraform Mars, then we have the technology to terraform Earth.

@@ficialintelligence1869 Big elitist corporations don't wanna hear that here though. They're having too much fun with the at-home destabilization process.

OMFG, was this a serious post? Sounded like a literal troll to me.

I guess first the dyson swarm to get the energy to do so ... before swarm ... to the Moon for resources ... but I am not the budget owner ...

@@ficialintelligence1869 earth is not terraforming haha

It's a dumb joke then, because nuking doesn't terraform a thing, not the fast or the slow way.

“Its just a joke bruh” keep telling yourselves that elon worshipers

Elon never said he was joking, why you insinuate he was???

I'm no scientific genius but water is made out of hydrogen and oxygen. If there's both hydrogen and oxygen on Mars, the technology has to be exist to combine these gases into water. Maybe this process would be insufficient to completely terraform Mars but it would convenient to make bubble life possible. And I have no idea whether there's hydrogen or oxygen on Mars, or in what quantities. And I have no clue about the side effects of depleting Mars' atmosphere of these gases. I'm just sayin'.

True

That's already the plan.

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@@Christobanistan what if this plan fail ( whole humanity should cry )

I think the Aliens told us not to come back....

the issue with that is the need for reliable artificial gravity and a LOT of radiation shielding would be needed before we can survive long term in space.

Our bodies don't exactly do great in space.

@@endless3cho Sure they do. Where do you think we are right now?

@@tetsatou2815 on a planet that's in space. Ask the astronauts how we'll our bodies do in space? It takes about a year to rehab yourself back to "normal" because the body has to re-adapt to gravity. Until we figure out a way to counter weightlessness we're gonna see a body that can only live in space.

@@mandiblackwell4668 a large rotating O'Neill cylinder is a space gives you "gravity"

Well terraforming a planet over hundrets of years is not that far fetched when spaceships have pretty much infinite fuel and you can travel from the asteroid belt to the inner planets in a couple days.

Well said , reason why legions of people take a lot of Musk’s ideas seriously ( many just aren’t great, quite the opposite) is his business success ( which doesn’t correlate to great ideas , strategies , innovations to push humanity forward).

Or you could figure it out for yourself. Unless you are too lazy.

Thankfully there are still rational people out there

Laugh! Authority must be right. What a constant joke that has become down the years, a bowing down to put faith in a person because they have B.S.H.I.T, after their names.

Factually verified

Exactly! There’s no magic going there. There has to be a rational explanation. Off late media and to some extent even main stream science appear to be treating Quantum behavior as “Magic “

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Yeah, and he definitely doesn't employ thousands of scientists with expertise in these fields...

@@Christobanistan He certanly isnt an egineer giving detalied explanations of rocket engines on youtube.

*Con man.

@@teslabot5650 And he doesn't have degree in physics plus 2 years towards a doctorate.

@@Christobanistan Nope certainly didnt assemble the wolds most talented teams and challenge them to do the impossible either. Or take 100% of his Pay Pal and Zip 2 earnings to gamble on 2 immosible companies and succeed. The world is full of steel reusable spaceships and Mars was done bt NASA 20 years ago. SLS is a great rocket too

Yup, it was just an intriguing possibility he threw out on a talk show once. He never claimed that was "his plan," in fact he qualified that it was just a possibility. He has loads of top scientists and engineers working on solutions, has for over a decade.

Yes he is not the first but he sure the one to push for the idea to next level and greater publicity. If you cant do anything about the sahara desert, forget mars

No. Hes just a manufacturing expert unlike any other. Best guy to have around at any type of manufacturing facility.

He is literally a Rocket Scientist...

@@coloradoawesomesauce5124 rocket engineer would be the more fitting term

@@kamcat2901 can you do anything that hes done or designed?

Does it matter the man is doing stuff people have never done and plus he's still 50x smarter than you regardless

what about the Martians?

Yeah, he's trying to do that aswell with Tesla and Solarcity

The human race isn't, just Elon. Every other agency that's working on Mars is doing it to learn about our origins, the universe etc.

And then to destroy it just like how we are destroying earth.

@@bradford2211 you watch too much propaganda. The Earth is fine

@@bradford2211 Destroying earth? Read a book or two and stop watching news. By the time we are technologically advanced enough to colonize Mars, we'd obviously have the tech to ensure almost zero carbon emissions.

Ok

Man if we messed that up though and knocked Mars off it's orbit it could collide with another planet 😂

@@Mitchems Slow but steady bombardment with "smaller" asteroids would be the game, not just 'cause it's safer but 'cause it's more efficient in the long run.

@@Tribrid-zv3nq yes, I do. That's the whole point of this video. There are no life forms on Mars. We humans would NOT be committing any genocide by doing this, since again, there us no life on Mars. This a POSSIBLE solution I see about helping our planet and terraforming another planet so we humans can live on Mars, since our planet is getting overpopulated and resources here are being used up, and I also wish that people here on earth would be more responsible and stop overpopulating our planet and would more responsible with our resources and help our fellow man but unfortunately too many just don't want to.

That seems a bit impractical

@@Tribrid-zv3nq Colonizing Mars is kinda the whole point of the video. I don’t think we really get what you’re going for here.

Nuking it won't sustain a terraforming, unless it stack more matter granted resources , see...The true reason why Mars at this moment isn't habital, is the fact, being far more fraction of the Earth mass, a smaller mass, equals a smaller core, equals a smaller exolt of lava, to spew the right amount of elements, listed on a modern chemistry chart from Earth to surface, which equals right now, a less jolt of geomagnetic power for solar protection. So to make Mars naturally habital, you need to stack MASS on the planet, for example, pile some of the astro belt debrees on Mars ( more like put it back). Until near equal to Earth mass size. Then make a large object like Phobos or Ganymede, to substitute as solar green house radiation, like a local version of the Earth Sun. Nuking will actually decay it more, hitting the ice only erupts more resource to surface, but cannot sustain for long, going back to its usual.

@@Tribrid-zv3nq as I said previously I wish we could go ahead and be doing the responsible things for our planet and humanity but the people in power in our country and all over the globe seem to not wanna do that, and I alone can't do it by myself, many of us are vocal about this, we protest peacefully, we try to elect better leaders in government, but the rich and elites in power have made things near impossible to change, just look at our current political problems in this country and how hard it is to prosecute politicians who led an insurrection.

Or a way to disarming nations of nukes.

U r wrong u can make nuke whenever u want u just need pure uranium. And for mars world have to get together for permission

forgetting that 5 billion in government subsidies?

considering SpaceX is already making deals with NASA I expect he's going to start getting your money for his "epic scientist moments" too

@@user-304jgojnegilrnw that, and tons in all "his" companies

@@user-304jgojnegilrnw ya. both space x and tesla received billons as incentives. (Tax Payers Money).

@@user-304jgojnegilrnw meh, the American people got stimulus money. No problem.

Mars is only 15% the mass of Earth. And the mass of the asteroid belt is only 0.036% mass of earth. There is not enough mass. Might as well move Venus to the location of mars, if you are going to move the mass of earth somewhere.

@@nickl5658 well the astro belt expands further, just minute in volume the way Earth hemisphere becomes more minute in volume up higher (same in solar orbit), considered of visible detection so there is no real way to absorb, but many substitute debrees can... 🤣 Odds are Venus had shared some parts with Mars before the *air thinning events* that cause migration to this, use to be hyper-tropical realm called Earth. Besides, Venus has chosen the HOT tub 😏. Scratch that out on your vacation schedule list.

Oort cloud is FAR though. Like, really far. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but...

In fact it may be more practical to retrieve the icy objects from Andromeda

Saturn’s rings are mostly water and 1000 times closer than the Oort Cloud. I love the idea of bombarding the surface of mars with massive hunks of ice.