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Why so Few Su-57s ... and Other Stories. 

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Why so few Su-57s? It is one of the questions asked under the recent Su-75 video. So this is a good opportunity to discuss a few things about the Su-57 and other issues about the Russian aerospace and its perception.
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@RaNc0R
@RaNc0R 6 месяцев назад
“Anything Russian made or Chinese made or any other country for that matter are bad” this mind set is the recipe for a humiliating defeat.
@ArchangelUriel-jc4uq
@ArchangelUriel-jc4uq 6 месяцев назад
Name a good Russian TV brand which is good , how about a good cellular phone or TV or even a car ? I'll wait
@StandingHereI
@StandingHereI 6 месяцев назад
@@ArchangelUriel-jc4uq чел, есть ли в америке что-нибудь похожее на госуслуги? Или хоть когда-нибудь появится?
@masnur7007
@masnur7007 6 месяцев назад
​@@ArchangelUriel-jc4uq... You don't mind if I name China's brand stuff ... Huawei phone and TV ... BYD cars! No!
@gags730
@gags730 6 месяцев назад
Exactly the mindset in this Ukr/Rus conflict by way too may people. The bias is so strong one way and reinforced by propaganda (and Western News) that they think they are not exposed to in the first place that when Ukraine is defeated you are going to see a meltdown from a lot of people. People seem to shut one eye and cover one ear to everything they do not want to hear or see so that the info they get will only reinforce their bias.
@ArchangelUriel-jc4uq
@ArchangelUriel-jc4uq 6 месяцев назад
@@masnur7007 I said _RUSSIAN_ brands
@nebojsanesic5326
@nebojsanesic5326 6 месяцев назад
This is not the way to preserve your health, friend. The same people, clamming enemy forces bogus exist on all sides. They are most often the people romanticizing about the war. I saw their entire worlds collapse over and over and over again in the war. Unfortunately, that is the only way. They are better left alone and unengaged. As usual, love your tactical/tehnically detailed loaded arguments.
@malokegames
@malokegames 6 месяцев назад
Dont worry, he used those trolls to boost the algoritm in his favor 😎
@phonepoies
@phonepoies 6 месяцев назад
People who don't understand the science will always treat (and believe it to be) black magic. And magic is expected to fulfill unreasonable expectations by whoever uses it as argument. And magic can't really be refuted by science (or rational argument), just like religious arguments. So doing that is futile. Leave the science to prove itself, because it will.
@5tre55full
@5tre55full 6 месяцев назад
​​@@phonepoies did you take covid vaccine ? Thats the fast way of finding out do you love or hate science
@amazin7006
@amazin7006 6 месяцев назад
​@@phonepoies It is not a question of science, it is a question of manufacturing. To make one prototype jet that is above and beyond all others is easy, to make a fleet takes an entire worldwide infrastructure. Russians can't produce shit, most of the "technology" they have displayed in the last 15 years have been bogus PR stunts like their Igoryok and T-14. Even China struggles to build J20s and J35, what makes you think Russia has any chance? India laughed at their Su57
@WDLC1911
@WDLC1911 5 месяцев назад
@@5tre55fullscientists are easier to purchase than politicians so… 🤓
@fifi23o5
@fifi23o5 6 месяцев назад
People percieve the use of composites as the ultimate advantage. Not necessarily. It surely has it's advantages, namely the more freedom of shaping, but it is also unisotropic and doesn't have the absolute, precisely defined characteristics. Metals can sometimes be quite benificial, besides, metallurgy hasn't stop developing.
@DIREWOLFx75
@DIREWOLFx75 6 месяцев назад
Absolutely true.
@justacomment1657
@justacomment1657 6 месяцев назад
well they are light, and most likely can be verry light due to complex reinforcement geometry is theoretical possible.... theoretical
@tatianaes3354
@tatianaes3354 6 месяцев назад
And Russia does not have a problem with composite materials either. Even old planes like MiG-29 had a significant share of them, even though not as much as newer planes.
@jakovskaro8224
@jakovskaro8224 6 месяцев назад
“Komuna” is prime example.
@xblade11230
@xblade11230 6 месяцев назад
Composites are crucial for stealth, radar waves are designed to detect metal while composites are basically just super strong plastic , being lighter means a speedier fighter Without composites there is no stealth fighter
@laxiton
@laxiton 6 месяцев назад
It absolutely baffles me that the person I trust most for complete and honest information on aircraft gets attacked so hard
@dongately2817
@dongately2817 6 месяцев назад
I feel the same way. This channel is a goldmine of information that’s presented in an unbiased way. One of the few RU-vidrs left that I still have respect and admiration for
@amazin7006
@amazin7006 6 месяцев назад
Because he's never complete or honest. Reading directly from TASS sources is not honest or complete information, because he fails to ever mention that his sources are the kremlin itself. Imagine a news story on a murder that only uses the words of the prime suspect
@kathrynck
@kathrynck 6 месяцев назад
M7 is the best, bar none, on youtube. I disagree with him all the time hehe, but it's the sort of disagreements which two people who know what they're talking about have. Which is very different than a lopsided conversation. I sometimes change my mind, I assume M7 does too :) He's much better at explaining ideas than me though, certainly. And more entertaining & engaging. Also he doesn't have NDA's. Probably runner-up is Sandboxx, good information in general, but he's sort of an "industry outsider" so a fair amount of defense contractor marketing-spin ends up in his videos. I think he's getting better at it over time though. Really just an experience issue, acquiring a more refined gut sense for industry spin, and differentiating it from relevant info. Basically being able to read (or 'skim') DI materials more like "blah blah blah, kissing up to the pentagon, blah blah, go team, blah blah blah, kissing up to the appropriations committee, blah blah, why your company is the best, yeah yeah, ... OH, here's an interesting bit of info, cool". It takes a lot of time & exposure to refine a sense of what's really relevant, out from everything that's being published.
@nehemiah8090
@nehemiah8090 6 месяцев назад
You have to realize we are in a cold war era now even back then when the cold war was happening you couldn't say one good thing about the USSR or their achievement in space with out being called a communist same thing happing now
@DefaultProphet
@DefaultProphet 5 месяцев назад
@@dongately2817 Unbiased to the point of “well we have to go by their numbers or what else could we go off of” is some real mind so open brain fell out logic
@georgen.2959
@georgen.2959 6 месяцев назад
Thank you very much for your T-75 and Su-57 analyses! Your videos are always appreciated
@milosterzic6452
@milosterzic6452 6 месяцев назад
i cant even articulate how much i needed another working brain to discuss these issues, thank you millenium, and i hope your health is better
@carlosvasquez9890
@carlosvasquez9890 6 месяцев назад
The stealth tolerance gap (see what I did there?😅) us an interesting topic. I think you might be correct pointing to an episode during F117 development...but there is also an interesting fact during B2 development: alegedly, during the RCS testing, some cracks developed on the metallic paint of the model...and they enough for the RCS to spike. Reference: Stealth by P. Westwick
@DIREWOLFx75
@DIREWOLFx75 6 месяцев назад
"cracks developed on the metallic paint" This is one of the reasons why stealth coating takes so much maintenance. Because cracks like that have a VERY evil and nasty tendency to literally become radar REFLECTORS. Due to how such materials cracks, they often end up creating a radar "box", ie, what is effectively the same as having a perfect 90 degree angle, exactly what stealth must NEVER have.
@Statueshop297
@Statueshop297 6 месяцев назад
@@DIREWOLFx75but without the coatings radar reflections are there. Coatings have come along way since the B2 and are far more resilient/easier to maintain.
@DIREWOLFx75
@DIREWOLFx75 6 месяцев назад
@@Statueshop297 They're still VERY maintenance intensive to keep in order. "but without the coatings radar reflections are there." Sure, but that's why you have the stealth geometry as well. The stealth coating is at its most influential when the plane is at its most visible angles, like from above or below, where the entire wings reflect fully.
@TT-hd3zi
@TT-hd3zi 6 месяцев назад
​@@DIREWOLFx75you're exaggerating. F35s are good for year-long carrier deployments without the coating maintenance facilities of a land base.
@kathrynck
@kathrynck 6 месяцев назад
"Mister President, we must not allow a stealth tolerance gap!" 😅
@HildegardActual
@HildegardActual 4 месяца назад
People who have probably never even *touched* a stealth fighter acting as if they're experts on them... You're a great aviation channel man, you handled these trolls well.
@69columbus
@69columbus 6 месяцев назад
I really like Q&A's. They provide that extra bit of context and detail to your already great deep dive videos. Would love to see more if/as your time permits. Also, if I may ask, are you planning to do a deep dive on the Turkish 5th Gen KAAN? I understand that the fighter is getting ready to carry out it's first flight. Would be great if you can do a video on this jet.
@singular9
@singular9 6 месяцев назад
These troll videos are hilarious. Keep at it. I think there are several valid reasons for why so little Su-57's have been made, is there is not much of a need for them. At the moment I don't think there is any job that the existing Sukhoi flankers can't do and are already doing for much less money. Also the Su-57 is not for export, (is it?), so, there isn't any money to be made from it as of yet. Also, having the supply chain and manufacturing up and running for the Su-35 seems to be more important, as it has good export demand AND good internal demand. The weapons systems seem to be more important than the plane itself at the moment. If you want to know some extra's about Russian composite capabilities you can watch the old RT documentary on the sukhoi bureau, their testing on their material sciences is fantastic. Also, the trolls that say that the Su-57 can't be produced under sanctions is a joke. The sanctions will never touch Russian military production since Russian and Soviet doctrine is to produce everything in house. The lack of the new engines also means that Russia won't bother spending money on making new air frames that will simply sit and wait for new engines. I agree, NGAD, AIM-260, an many other "fan propagated" projects probably don't exist or are so early in development, we won't see anything physical for a long, long time. NGAD won't matter by the time it comes out because the US simply won't have the money to procure it. NGAD is 10 years away minimum based on its ambitions. I think everyone credits stealth so much, that its a joke. I am pretty sure the F22 is great front a frontal RCS, but physics says that planes don't always fly straight to their targets. Besides, if everyone has great expensive stealth planes, won't everything just become a dog fight all over again? So why spend so much money on pure stealth fighters when a hybrid or budget platform will be more effective per dollar.
@preludeh22a57
@preludeh22a57 6 месяцев назад
Exactly! I remember once I've made similar argument about why Russia got so few Su-57's. Ok, lets imagine Russia right now have 2000 Su-57... So what? What exactly will change except massive unbalanced black hole in Russian Defense Ministry's budget? Are there any gains? The answer is always silence...
@willwebb3557
@willwebb3557 6 месяцев назад
No need for a stealth aircraft in a war where no one has air superiority😂😂
@willwebb3557
@willwebb3557 6 месяцев назад
And when you’ve decided to go for a budget platform and the country you’re up against has 500 pure stealth fighters what do you do? Hope they get close enough to dog fight you? It won’t be more effective per dollar when you’re losing 10 of your budget platforms for every stealth fighter the other guy has
@preludeh22a57
@preludeh22a57 6 месяцев назад
@@willwebb3557 in this case you use nuke... nuke don't care how many stealth fighter your enemy have
@willwebb3557
@willwebb3557 6 месяцев назад
@@preludeh22a57 ok and the other country also has nukes. Now all your people are dead
@blazinchalice
@blazinchalice 6 месяцев назад
Massive respect for the public service you do by educating laypeople on these complex topics. And a fist bump for keeping the hair on-point.
@peivz
@peivz 6 месяцев назад
That was a very good video. You should defenately do this sort of thing more often, especially when you touch on Russian planes/technology as it will get most troll comments. That was genuenly refreshing to see a person who really knows what hes talking about answer these trolls, rather than reading through 40-50 stacked comments of people going back and forth even though theyve no dea what theyre saying.
@Awaken2067833758
@Awaken2067833758 6 месяцев назад
The photonic radar is a misleading name, it is a conventional radar but it uses photonics for the signal generation and return processing. It has a much wider badnwith and very low noise floor
@rosomak8244
@rosomak8244 6 месяцев назад
I think he got tangled up with photon entanglement in his interpretation of the term photonic.🙂
@JohnMullee
@JohnMullee 6 месяцев назад
A pair of entangled photons are produced (precise same wavelength), they go through some device that reduces frequency to produce radar-type radio-frequency photons. One goes off to bounce off things, the return is detected and compared with the unsent one. Allows for very high sensitivity (filtering out everything except that one Freq) and exact Doppler velocity (very precise comparison). This, from a physics PhD over beers a while back.
@Max_Da_G
@Max_Da_G 6 месяцев назад
@@rosomak8244 I see what you did there :D
@wogelson
@wogelson 6 месяцев назад
Yes, because underestimating the Russians during the counteroffensive worked out so well
@danemozhetbit
@danemozhetbit 6 месяцев назад
Hi from Mordor! Nice video! Some points to highlight: 1) Su-57 performing combat task fo quite some time now, and AFAIK been used heavily (You know, Russian trials is a life by itself, and yes, there are few of them, but they scoring imressive) 2) For specific groups of people: all weapons are designed according to customer requirements. And planes are not exeption. Russia has different air doctrine, so and the planes will be different ( Same goes to fleet, ground forses etc.) 3) Current focus of plane production was shifted to Su-34s as a mostly demanded type. IDK how much produced yet, but some new units in air force are formed. First time since USSR times
@yumphallangthaphal1598
@yumphallangthaphal1598 6 месяцев назад
When it comes to defence aviation, specially unbiased, you perhaps standout amongst very few. Thanks.
@kevinkilleen6375
@kevinkilleen6375 6 месяцев назад
Unbiased is refreshing.
@karlvongazenberg8398
@karlvongazenberg8398 6 месяцев назад
Bless the trolls, they feed the algorythm thus on the "end of the day" they actually generate more views.
@sohrabroozbahani4700
@sohrabroozbahani4700 6 месяцев назад
I worked with composites for a while and we had import material from both sides to work with, to my limited experience, Russians suffer a minor lag in Kevlar and Carbon fabric quality, but their Glass and Basalt fabrics are pretty top notch...
@PyromaN93
@PyromaN93 6 месяцев назад
Also stuff like SiC and other ceramic materials.
@jamesrowlands8971
@jamesrowlands8971 6 месяцев назад
Isn't a huge amount of the modern epoxy supply from China? I thought they'd basically monopolised that industry, like plastics?
@PyromaN93
@PyromaN93 6 месяцев назад
@@jamesrowlands8971 RF always had local plastic
@jamesrowlands8971
@jamesrowlands8971 6 месяцев назад
@@PyromaN93 not surprising. Russia is a major oil producer.
@ArizonaAstraLLC
@ArizonaAstraLLC 6 месяцев назад
Phenomenal work M7. You're doing amazing work and doing your best (and a very effective job at that) to provide a professional presentation, which will be taken by many that already have their mind set up and will respond in an oddly hormonal way over something over which they have zero control. The disparity in comprehension of these subjects can be noticed by the hopelessly ignorant or childish at best, comments left by most people.
@Houthiandtheblowfish
@Houthiandtheblowfish 6 месяцев назад
you will get a very low social score
@SpaceBound-1
@SpaceBound-1 6 месяцев назад
On paper t14 armata also looks very good but they haven't been able to get it into mass production yet. They are still ironing out the issues with the tank and establishing production lines for all the required components will take time as well. Russia might be too late to the party unless they get significant investments and sales.
@TKanal3
@TKanal3 6 месяцев назад
Best source for military aerospace news and analysis
@oddy1637
@oddy1637 6 месяцев назад
Ignore these trolls. Trolls are multiplying everywhere in the world in an astounding rate! Keeping pace with these idiots is not possible. Good content.
@evilzarmy1
@evilzarmy1 6 месяцев назад
Like momma taught you, just ignore the people pointing out how stupid you are
@redemissarium
@redemissarium 6 месяцев назад
because its conventional weapon. Russia with its limited budget favor strategic deterrence than tactical force which is why they can produce exotic stuff like belgorod but very slow in building new destroyer. More destroyer and Su-57 doesnt deter NATO much in the big picture
@Max_Da_G
@Max_Da_G 6 месяцев назад
Incorrect. Russian navy is in a defensive posture. It's not interested in large long-distance power projection by sea. Hence lack of large destroyers.
@redemissarium
@redemissarium 6 месяцев назад
@@Max_Da_G Borey and belgorod aint defensive asset
@little_error295
@little_error295 6 месяцев назад
@@redemissarium they’re more for counter attacks i think is what he’s trying to say
@silvestrenet
@silvestrenet 6 месяцев назад
First economy of all Europe, 22,000 sanctions, 12 packages of sanctions, assets theft (+300,000M). Currently in a provoque war by the West. More than 35 countries supplying weapons, intelligence, money for the enemy country, logistic and sending their own soldiers like mercenaries. Russia is producing more weapons than the whole world produce, its initial lack of drones in the conflict is something from the past now Russia is producing more war drone than the entire west. To adapt their military complex to entirely indigenous components takes time and Russia is in that direction. So if Russia was somehow slow at first in the end she won't.
@atifsultan_mech
@atifsultan_mech 6 месяцев назад
This was one the most fun videos to watch. I love your unbiassness and practical approach which is very rare to find on the cyberspace nowadays. Thank you for your in depth commentary on facts and figues and latewt tech. This is the reason users like myself will keep coming back to your channel. Good job and thank you once again 👏
@ginolospazzino5261
@ginolospazzino5261 6 месяцев назад
Great video! You are always the sane voice in the room... Btw, regarding the Su-57 diminishing priority (and, I think, the same applies also to T-14 Armata), people forgets that at the starts of WW2 the radically improved (pratically new) T-34M was on the way to substitute the T-34 but it was canceled in favor of maximizing the production of the original, and still valid, design. Morale of the story: a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. That was also the same reasoning that kept in production the M4 Sherman in USA after it lost its edge and that ultimately won the war for the allies. Unluckily, in the west, this pragmatic and grounded approach has been gradually substituted with the Wunderwaffen fascination that helped sink the 3rd Reich...
@jamesrowlands8971
@jamesrowlands8971 6 месяцев назад
Excellent point! And it's not just the T-34 line that saw this occur. The improvements to the KV ended shortly afterwards, and a new model (the IS) superseded it, but only after a few years of development, and major changes in the battlefield made it an obvious requirement. The Americans had a number of newer models of tanks ready, and even Shermans with better anti-tank guns, at various stages of the war but chose not to put them in service rapidly over logistics concerns, and other very practical reasons.
@NiklasAndersson7
@NiklasAndersson7 6 месяцев назад
...on the subject of production. I believe there is quite a huge difference between building a few prototypes, or 'handcrafted' planes, and a fully fledged, well-oiled production line. For example Ferrari vs Tesla. (Not saying that Su-57 is a Ferrari, but you get the idea).
@rosomak8244
@rosomak8244 6 месяцев назад
There is enough of video evidence for a series production in case of the Su-57.
@KGAnims
@KGAnims 6 месяцев назад
In 2019 MoD placed order for 76 Su-57s by the year 2028. That makes it about 8 planes a year. Sounds about plausible for Russia's production capabilities.
@DIREWOLFx75
@DIREWOLFx75 6 месяцев назад
"Not saying that Su-57 is a Ferrari" It essentially is. It's probably the most advanced and effective fighterplane in existance today. If the F-22 had received all the upgrades it was supposed to have over the years, it would probably have been even between them, but not with the F-22 mostly flying with 90s tech. And while the best of the Chinese is GOOD nowadays, they're still playing catchup a bit when it comes to combat aircraft as it's only in the last several decades they've had a chance to create a solid industry baseline for it. Except when it comes to production, there they are world leaders. "and a fully fledged, well-oiled production line" Yeah, sorry, but the Su-57 production line is well-attested to be perfectly functional. It just wasn't running at anything resembling full speed until late 2022. In 18 months, Russia has tripled the number of Su-57s in service to 12... With another 12 or 16 conducting acceptance trials. The issue with the Su-57 line was that there was an extremely tricky disagreement between the corporation and the government on exactly how to price the Su-57. Part of that was due to how the originally intended engine wont be used until the Su-57M, but also several completely new techniques and materials for production are insanely hard to accurately state exactly what they cost to manufacture. For example, the carbon nanoparticles/sapphire dust coating used on the cockpit relies on some very advanced production techniques, but also on artificial manufacturing of sapphire and all of those are being done at scales far beyond previously, which lowers the price SOMEWHAT. UAC however considers the longterm realistic pricetag to be far closer to smallscale production than the government. Similar for some composites and some electronics and the laser etc etc... Noone has done massproduction with those techniques before so it's going to take at least another year or two before they can start giving reliable cost numbers.
@rosomak8244
@rosomak8244 6 месяцев назад
@@DIREWOLFx75 Except you forget to mention that they expanded the production capacity by building a second production plant.
@DIREWOLFx75
@DIREWOLFx75 6 месяцев назад
@@rosomak8244 If you're referring to Su-57, then no, that is not the reason for the increased production, YET. And i'm yet to even see it confirmed that the plant is for Su-57 at all. It's also been suggested that it is in preparation for Su-57M. Are you claiming that you have information that it is up and running NOW?
@andyturbo
@andyturbo 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for a great video. Subscribed. I am Australian, and a Pilot myself (Civilian not military) and have always had a love and passion for aircraft. I appreciate an aircraft for what it is, not what countries fly it or design it. Yes, I love the F-35 and EA Growlers my country has. I love the F-22 also. However, I am excited about the recent completion of the final stage 7 in the SU-57's development. This is one AMAZING aircraft from what I have been able to learn and witness. Much respect and love from Melbourne, Australia. - Andy
@richardmartin8998
@richardmartin8998 6 месяцев назад
M7* first let me say that I'm so happy you got over 100k subs. You deserve way more but I am sure that will come. Second thank you for being an intellectually honest person in this space. It's the harder path, but it means you hold yourself to a higher standard: truth and honesty. I watch you because of this.
@gerfand
@gerfand 6 месяцев назад
Copy argument is funny because the Zero was supposed to be a copy of western planes... Except it was more advanced when it was introduced to most other carrier based fighters. Don't get me started on the stuff like Long Lance
@stephansteenberg5790
@stephansteenberg5790 6 месяцев назад
I love your channel. It is educational and entertaining at the same time. It is important to stick to the facts as you do.
@prastagus3
@prastagus3 6 месяцев назад
love the objectivity without bias. Physics and logic without border!
@avinashgore6258
@avinashgore6258 6 месяцев назад
It is fun to watch you comment, counter comment and comments! But your technical analysis is always outstanding and more fun for technical curiocities!
6 месяцев назад
You forget to mention the new fiberglass based RAM material - it lasts "forever" absorbs up to 90% of (X) radar waves. Great for big flat(ish) surfaces, tho obv not panel gaps
@jamesrowlands8971
@jamesrowlands8971 6 месяцев назад
What conditions does it last 'forever' under? Composites have all manner of weaknesses in terms of durability.
@nooonanoonung6237
@nooonanoonung6237 6 месяцев назад
​@@jamesrowlands8971most polymer composites are very durable when not under mechanical load, as polymers are quite chemically stable.
@Gunni1972
@Gunni1972 6 месяцев назад
I found it so funny to read all these "The J-35 is just an F-35 copy, with 2 engines" posts. Nobody seemed to realize that if you put 2 engines where only is one in the "Original", Just about everything around the engines has to change. It's not done with napkin drawings and guesswork. It needs proper design, and testing.
@stevennguyen1586
@stevennguyen1586 6 месяцев назад
Ignore the trolls my guy, i love listening to your analysis and learning more about military tech.
@jazz.560
@jazz.560 6 месяцев назад
Happy to see you’re posting consistently again
@m.a3914
@m.a3914 6 месяцев назад
It is unrealistic to expect Russia to match the F-35 or even the old F-22 given Russia's technological position and economic capacity
@jakobholgersson4400
@jakobholgersson4400 6 месяцев назад
Good video. Something I'd like to see you cover is the feasibility of a next-gen Swedish aircraft. The Swedish government has provided Saab with a feasibility study and Saab have said that the Gripen definitely isn't the last swedish fighter, so there's definitely a desire. And I saw an interview with Gripen engineers who said that they're working on implementing lots of 6th gen technologies into the Gripen already, so developing a new fighter will "just" be a matter of creating a new stealthy airframe built around these same technologies. Something that will cost billions of Euros, but certainly not something that would be prohibitively expensive for Sweden. Yet on the other hand, there are nay-sayers who claim that since Sweden has dropped out of the Tempest program, we can't even hope to supply components to any foreign aircraft, effectively meaning that Swedish air industry is dead. That's because there are no partners in the world to team up with. These people, however, can for example not agree on whether Brazil won't be interested because either the Brazilians just got the Gripens and won't want anything new for decades to come or, paradoxically, because they're going to use the technology transfer to the max and develop a fighter without Saab. Can you please give a more nuanced view on the matter.?
@Barbaroossa
@Barbaroossa 6 месяцев назад
Well, I'm not him but IMHO, from what I've researched, the main obstacle for the Swedes is the money a project of this magnitude demands. Also, I'm Brazilian myself and I can guarantee you that the technology we acquired from SAAB has allowed a massive tech jump for our aeronautical industrial complex, but the fact remains that we simply do not have the economy to support a project of such undertaking and the yearly budget for our armed forces is so minute that we would never be able to afford a purchase large enough to warrant the construction of a production line. Just look at the AMX fighter-bomber, we originally intended to buy somewhere around 100 of those, but our final order ended up being slashed to a little bit over 40 of them.
@DIREWOLFx75
@DIREWOLFx75 6 месяцев назад
"so developing a new fighter will "just" be a matter of creating a new stealthy airframe built around these same technologies." Is that truly a good idea? Sweden has decent capability with building stealth vehicles, that's not really a problem. But, while the Gripen costs about 6k$ per flighthour, a full stealth nextgen airframe is essentially guaranteed to push the cost per flighthour up at least into the 20-30k$ range. The F-35 is supposed to be the "cheap stealth", and it's way up in the 40k$/flighthour area. This means you can only afford a fraction as many aircraft, and training pilots becomes many times more expensive. Also, stealth combat aircraft takes up drastically more groundhours per flighthour, because the RAM and stealth feature engines etc is so finicky to keep stealthy. Basically, as it is right now, you can buy 3-4 Gripen per F-35, have it fly 4-5 times as many hours as the F-35, while costing less. So, same cost, you effectively have 16 times as many aircraft flighthours. And a 6th gen frame, even if optimised for ease of use and maintenance and high readiness like the Gripen, you will start pushing towards F-35 territory in regards to costs and availability. Which is where the next thing about this crashes into the argument very rudely. The issue that is anti-stealth capabilities. Which Russia currently happens to be the world leader at. Sweden is actually in or near the top of such R&D as well and the Gripen datalink system can do some very nifty things, like a primitive but evolved version of what the MiG-31 pioneered, using multiple aircraft radars datalinked together to give the effect of a much more powerful and larger radar. But the point is, how truly useful will stealth be in the next 10-20 years? We already know from Syria, that even the S-400 system of a few years ago can detect and track both F-22s and F-35s at long distances, meaning that yes, tracking as in can shoot down. And with the hardware updates added with the incoming S-500, that ability will increase another big notch. The current S-400s already got the software update created for the S-500, along with the new missile that doubles their effective range to 380+ km. Stealth is nice to have and all, but with anti-stealth developments already having gotten as far as it has, is it worth paying the huge premium required to have stealth 6th gen? Or is it better to have 4 times as many 4.5th gen, which can also be further geometrically optimised to reduce RCS, all the optimisations that can be done without adding massive costs, that can fly 4-5 times as much per day, and requires a small fraction of the ground support to keep it flying. Personally i'm more and more leaning towards answering my above question with, not nearly enough when used against anything nearpeer. If we could afford having both a stealth and nonstealth aircraft, then it would be much easier and absolutely an advantage to have stealth as well, but being too small to have large numbers of aircraft, trying to split the fleet up into lets's say a dozen stealth and 50 nonstealth, the economics would be horrible. "effectively meaning that Swedish air industry is dead" That's how USA wants it. They got really pissy about Brazil, where they were hoping to sell at minimum several dozen aircraft, and aiming for much more ambitious things in the long run. Also, remember the way Norway was "convinced" to buy the F-35 over the Gripen. It was pure circus. They had to use costs for clean, zero support, zero future upgrades, zero nothing F-35s compared to Gripen with 25 years full support and even basic weapon loadout to pretend that the F-35 were cheaper. USA really REALLY does not like the Gripen competing with them by now.
@jakobholgersson4400
@jakobholgersson4400 6 месяцев назад
@@DIREWOLFx75 I doubt your figures for flight hour cost is correct. The F-35 is expensive to fly because it was extremely ambitious. Because, while all F-35's look alike, they're essentially three different planes and the needs of one version came at the cost of the others. All of them have a massive engine, which compromises stealth and induces drag, because one version is a VTOL.
@DIREWOLFx75
@DIREWOLFx75 6 месяцев назад
@@jakobholgersson4400 "I doubt your figures for flight hour cost is correct." Not in detail, of course not. Even if you have every bit of information needed to calculate them, it will only be an estimate. Also, my numbers are mostly based on information that have only been partially updated since 10-15 years ago. For the simple reason that someone at the time spent a crapload of effort on calculating those numbers for a whole bunch of aircraft, but most of the time noone bothers doing an equally good job for updates since then. "Because, while all F-35's look alike, they're essentially three different planes and the needs of one version came at the cost of the others." Yes. The numbers i had is for the cheapest version, the airforce version. The others are more expensive and their real costs have been hidden even more. "The F-35 is expensive to fly because it was extremely ambitious." That's one of the reasons. Pisspoor project management and subpar design in several ways add a lot to that. Not bothering to pay to keep experienced engineers between project means you start each new project with lots of noobs, which is one of the big reasons USA is currently so unable to make anything on time, on budget or as specced. Also, don't forget, the F-35 was supposed to be the CHEAP replacement for essentially most aircraft except F-15, which was meant to be replaced by F-22. You also need to realise that all the currently available official numbers about the pricetag for the F-35, includes MASSIVE subsidies. The real cost is somewhere between 2 and 3 times as much as the official line. Which, amusingly, makes it very roughly close to the F-22 in cost. Despite grossly inferior ability in every way except ground attack.
@AWZool
@AWZool 6 месяцев назад
Photonic radar is just a fancy way of saying "A TV camera and a flashlight taped together"
@NickyDekker89
@NickyDekker89 5 месяцев назад
Always love to hear your thoughts and analysis.
@rokuth
@rokuth 6 месяцев назад
So... Russia is back courting India with the Su-57. Russia is now offering the 2 seater (something that India had wanted with their version of the PAK-FA) concept to both India and the UAE as a joint venture. That would be interesting to see what may come out of this joint venture , and if India will use indigenous components for their version, like they did with the Su-30MKI.
@Youtubegoblin23
@Youtubegoblin23 6 месяцев назад
How much was indigenous and how much was Israeli?
@rokuth
@rokuth 6 месяцев назад
@@RU-vidgoblin23 : India is currently conducting a refurbishment of the current Su-30MKI fleet with new indigenous avionics, and other systems sourced locally. They are trying to go the whole "Made in India" route for their military equipment.
6 месяцев назад
Africa, almost 1/2 of Asia, some south america countries as well.
@tatianaes3354
@tatianaes3354 6 месяцев назад
Under Modi, India is a bit closer to the West, so I doubt they will collaborate with Russia. Besides, one of the reasons why India has left the Su-57 project in the first place was the fact that the development of “Izdelie 30” engines was/is behind schedule for many years. If Russia will be finally able to bring those engines to production, then maybe a form of collaboration will be interesting again for India.
@swordsman1137
@swordsman1137 6 месяцев назад
Afaik India seems dislike Su-57 stealth characteristic. I forgot what indian member on M7 discord said years ago, but in no way India comeback to Su-57. But, i practically not hearing any update on AMCA, which worry me that India may choose to scrap AMCA for Checkmate if AMCA not progressing well enough
@jamesmandahl444
@jamesmandahl444 6 месяцев назад
Eh? Copy? The su-57 was a strong departure from EVERY OTHER copycat f-22like aircraft being build around the world. One reason I love ruskie aircraft is their design ideology is one of the very few examples of unique departure from western style designs. The early su-75 is more western. In fact a Northrop design from the 90s looked very similar. The new diamond wing design though radically departs from this. Now it is wholly unique. The intake is a work of genius. Almost like taking stealthy side intakes and fusing them into one with a diverterless intake bump to minimize moving parts. It seamlessly blends and even the note a out dog teeth edges which serve for stealthiness and to create vorticies along the side of the aircraft. I adore the design of the su-75.
@preludeh22a57
@preludeh22a57 6 месяцев назад
well... you are putin's propagandist now! Enjoy 🤣
@bogueji1
@bogueji1 6 месяцев назад
Yea, the new design of the SU-75 in the patents is one of if not the best looking 5th gen fighter. Absolutely departure from all the F22 lookalikes out there.
@rosomak8244
@rosomak8244 6 месяцев назад
Why should anyone actually copy the F-22? I have news for you: the production of that plane was already stopped long ago. That's how good it turned out to be.
@makarevych
@makarevych 6 месяцев назад
@@rosomak8244 Lmao you know the production stopped not because it was a bad plane
@yomama629
@yomama629 6 месяцев назад
@@rosomak8244 the F-22 was the most dominant aircraft on the planet until the F-35 surpassed it. Its low production had to do with the fact that the US was fighting wars against non-state actors with no aerial capabilities rather than with near peer adversaries so air dominance platforms became less relevant, it had nothing to do with the aircraft's capabilities
@kenrik2105
@kenrik2105 6 месяцев назад
US went into production with F-35 before testing ended, which is why it’s plagued with so many problems. It’s a great plane, when it’s operating.
@user-yj1on3bf1v
@user-yj1on3bf1v 5 месяцев назад
yes, this is a copy of the Soviet Yak-141
@napobg6842
@napobg6842 5 месяцев назад
@@user-yj1on3bf1v It is not a copy of Yak-141
@napobg6842
@napobg6842 5 месяцев назад
It is always like this. The same is true with SU-57 and the J-20. You just don't hear about it but can see it very clearly.
@user-yj1on3bf1v
@user-yj1on3bf1v 5 месяцев назад
@@napobg6842 This is a complete copy of the Yak-141, the US bought the project from the Russians in the early 90s. The USA also uses ejection seats developed in Britain everywhere. And the entire rocket industry was created by German engineers of the Third Reich.
@napobg6842
@napobg6842 5 месяцев назад
@@user-yj1on3bf1v Yeah and all the planets circle around the Sun because Copernicus said so? Like what are you trying to say here? F-35 and Yak-141 has nothing in common except that both are supposed to take-off vertically. The only difference is that F-35 can do that with almost 0 loss of thrust while the Yak-141 loses a lot of thrust
@mackjsm7105
@mackjsm7105 6 месяцев назад
Hello from Poland!! TY for the vid!
@danwelterweight4137
@danwelterweight4137 6 месяцев назад
There is no industry more complicated than building combat aircraft, he says. Nuclear submarine industrial complex is like: I am a joke to you? 😂
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, talented amateurs...
@Max_Da_G
@Max_Da_G 6 месяцев назад
Submarine doesn't walk anywhere near the fine line and razors edge that an aircraft manufacturer has to walk.
@editman145
@editman145 6 месяцев назад
As usual....an excellent in depth vid. I enjoyed it very much. Compliments for your expertise and gathered intell.
@timothylowe8327
@timothylowe8327 6 месяцев назад
I love how you deal with social media negativity. 😊 Bless and keep up the good work!
@herbertpocket8855
@herbertpocket8855 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for the videos! I appreciate the coverage.
@Malik-ur2si
@Malik-ur2si 6 месяцев назад
Great video. When it comes to designing unmanned Su-75 aircraft is it any different than the S-70 Okhotnik. Wouldn't it be the same thing just with Su-75 airframe and specialized flight control. You are smarter than most military aviation analyst, my honest opinion.
@JohnMullee
@JohnMullee 6 месяцев назад
From marketing it's very clever. Buy 10 one-seaters to train on, 5 two-seaters to deploy (second pilot flies the remote by tightbeam) and dozens of semi-disposable remotes loaded with ordnance to get ailerons dirty in risky engagements
@cliffordterry2133
@cliffordterry2133 6 месяцев назад
Thank you much for this video! Trolls are people who basically choose to be ignorant and, as you are an excellent presenter, you are an asset to them in that, as you are a presenter, I believe you possess the greatest chance of opening their minds.
@Max_Da_G
@Max_Da_G 6 месяцев назад
You don't open a mind of a troll. Troll is there to take a shit in the comments and leave. He/she isn't there for enlightenment. They should simply be banned from the channel on detection and that's that. Thankfully they are easy to spot.
@gophercure-self
@gophercure-self 6 месяцев назад
Great stuff as always. My favourite RU-vid channel by far.
@Real_Claudy_Focan
@Real_Claudy_Focan 6 месяцев назад
About SPECTRA.. i tried (even with a NATO secret level security) to talk about it with a french pilot.. Well ! He simply said ; nothing and he wont be able to talk about it for decades ! It is by far the most sensitive topic about the Rafale and french were FURIOUS when Qatar did an exercice with Turkey. Since Greece is supposed to buy them too and that Qatar also extensively used the Spectra without authorization from France, they were super furious because of potential data collection from S400 batteries and nearby Syria
@justacomment1657
@justacomment1657 6 месяцев назад
valid point... for elint something flying is way better then a stationary S400 battery.. I suppose
@vasilijevukadinovic6843
@vasilijevukadinovic6843 6 месяцев назад
Nobody brings up that russia is almost finished building there new factory and training center for su57. I believe it's finished in 2024. Then mass production starts
@scythianrabbit3977
@scythianrabbit3977 6 месяцев назад
Can you make a video on whether Russian radars like S 400 could withstand jamming from Growlers or spoofing by F 35s?
@rosomak8244
@rosomak8244 6 месяцев назад
No he can't. Making such detailed information publicly available would have serious adverse consequences for him.
@Max_Da_G
@Max_Da_G 6 месяцев назад
EW is highly classified. Neither can spoof or jam VHF-band radars Nebo-M and Niobiy since they don't carry anything for that wave length.
@Wokefolksuck
@Wokefolksuck 6 месяцев назад
@@Max_Da_Gyou think they have not figured out how to flood the low frequencies as well? See the frequency in, multiply the power and send a different signal back. Not hard to modify or code. Easy peasy
@philipdavis7521
@philipdavis7521 6 месяцев назад
Thank you so much for this, in particular for pointing out how bad the mainstream media has been on reporting on Russia’s economy.
@amzalkamel3009
@amzalkamel3009 6 месяцев назад
For your answer on the leading composite industries, I have to disagree, the main suppliers are : 1 - Toray of japan 2 - Hexcel which is american 3 - Cytec which is a US subsidiary of solvay
@agsystems8220
@agsystems8220 6 месяцев назад
Leading, not largest. F1 hasn't been much of an automotive tech driver for a long time, but it has meant that UK composites have been pushing the envelope in capability.
@jawadkazmi5327
@jawadkazmi5327 6 месяцев назад
All I can say is thankyou so much, I didn't want to comment nor check the comments on the SU 75 video for obvious reason -that being flame wars. You are the only reason i google translated to say grazie mille to convey my thanks
@thinhvcoin
@thinhvcoin 6 месяцев назад
The stupidity of some of these kids are incurable. Just keep doing your good work.
@jeffhedrich3551
@jeffhedrich3551 6 месяцев назад
About those advanced electronics… China is mass producing 4nm chips and have a functioning 2nm chip. So much for that argument. Su57 production was slowed when fibre optics were sanctioned years ago. They had to develop their own to overcome that, hence the big delay.
@russellk.bonney8534
@russellk.bonney8534 6 месяцев назад
Great vid. A photonic radar used to be called a telescope I believe😂 nowadays we can add a bit of infrared and night vision etc and its modernised, Beulah!
@jeremylantz6143
@jeremylantz6143 6 месяцев назад
I like your videos and knowledge level. The Russians have not yet succ essfully gone into full-scale production on the SU57. I will believe the Checkmate is legit, if and when they get an actual production version in the air.
@PyromaN93
@PyromaN93 6 месяцев назад
I don't think 57 will see any full scale production in the any close future. For few reasons, but one of them - Su-75 approching. Since the late USSR times, Russia was abandoned idea of light single engine aircrafts, and when USSR was dissolved - all such types, including fairly recent designs like MiG-27 znd MiG-23MLD was simply scrapped. Now things seems to change, and MOD can choose to prefer building fleet of more light airframes.
@Max_Da_G
@Max_Da_G 6 месяцев назад
@@PyromaN93 Russia still needs large twin-engine fighters with a powerful sensor suite, long range and large payload. T-75 can't cover the needs that Su-57 does. You also need to be clear what you refer to as "full scale" production. Because Su-35S and Su-30SM and Su-34 are in full-rate production, making around 12-14 per year. IMO that's too few at this point in time, and production facilities need to grow for larger production rates. T-75 will be used for what MiG-29 was used for: dispersed basing, quick-reaction force, combat over line of contact.
@Max_Da_G
@Max_Da_G 6 месяцев назад
Currently Su-57 is in LRIP. As Russian officials are on record about. Once full-rate production starts, which is being set up and "oiled", we can talk.
@AlexanderSeven
@AlexanderSeven 6 месяцев назад
Russia has it's own microchip industry, not so advanced as US or Chinese, but you don't need top level 5nm chips for military equipment, I think space shuttle was using like 386 processor and still was able to fly (most of the time).
@robertsneddon731
@robertsneddon731 6 месяцев назад
The problem is packing a lot of signal processing capability into a small volume on an airframe. That takes advanced chip manufacturing capability at high definition and often involving exotic substrates that can cope with high and low temperatures, vibration etc. better than consumer silicon can. The processors used in spacecraft are often several generations back in terms of modern technology but they have to work perfectly in high-radiation environments, wide temperature cycles etc. Using a 500nm technology chip reduces the chance of a cosmic ray flipping a bit compared to a 5nm chip. Radiation hardening isn't a requirement on fighter aircraft but thermal efficiency, compactness and power consumption is. The F-35 is a flying supercomputer but it has to be to do its job. If the Su-57 is to match the F-35's capabilities it needs ~5nm chips otherwise it's effectively a "monkey model".
@Annou7la
@Annou7la 6 месяцев назад
@@hrvojelasic5794lol. That’s exactly how that doesn’t work but ok.
@rosomak8244
@rosomak8244 6 месяцев назад
@@robertsneddon731 Judging by the slow development pace the F-35 is certainly not using anything even close to 5nm. Get real.
@sorinturle4599
@sorinturle4599 6 месяцев назад
Russia announced that it will start the production of 28nm by the 2027. If it will be so...
@robertsneddon731
@robertsneddon731 6 месяцев назад
@@rosomak8244 Probably not 5nm but 10nm is a real possibility -- the electronics design for a lot of the F-35's systems like fly-by-wire were being finalised in the early 2000s when 100nm was cutting-edge but the F-35 is famously modular in design and a lot of the Block 4 upgrades like the signal processing systems will have 10nm silicon devices (I'm guessing). The electronics on a fighter aircraft have to operate at temperatures of -20 deg C on a Siberian airfield and later at 40 deg C plus in Syria. They are expected to work without a flaw while pulling more than 9 gees and vibration is another problem that has to be designed around. Commercial silicon and Aliexpress 2-dollar microcontrollers won't survive and be reliable in those environments. MILSPEC adds another 10x to the price of pretty much anything electronic, and some particular things get flagged for export controls from various suppliers (solid-state laser ring gyros, for example).
@chriswerb
@chriswerb 6 месяцев назад
One thing I really love about this channel is you get intelligent comment from the Russian side. I'm not a fan of what Russia is doing (to put it mildly - I directly fund a Ukrainian drone unit), but it is amazing to be able to get very interesting perspectives from knowledgeable Russians that are clearly not trolls and can express themselves eloquently. This is an amazing situation. Imagine being in WW2 and being able to talk to intelligent people on the opposite side about their military capabilities.
@geeussery8849
@geeussery8849 6 месяцев назад
Good video, thanks. I really think we missed out with regards to yf-23. imo
@thelovertunisia
@thelovertunisia 6 месяцев назад
Never underestimate Russian ingenuity! They are excellent engineers and mathematicians.b
@kadosaruisz5174
@kadosaruisz5174 6 месяцев назад
Good video! It would be nice to learn something about Russian targeting pods (internal, external) from you. How they are work, which aircrafts uses them, and what kind of air to surface weaponry, smart ammunitions can they use with these pods.
@LooWa01
@LooWa01 6 месяцев назад
thx for your good work. Haters gonna hate. I would everyone to remember how long did it took for the US to replace Turkey in the F-35 program after it was kicked out. I'm not sure if it even happend.
@sgt.grinch3299
@sgt.grinch3299 6 месяцев назад
Great to see you Sir. GBY🙏
@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617
@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617 6 месяцев назад
Anyone using sanctions to dismiss Russian capability have clearly no understanding of what has happened to the Russia economy and military. The Russian economy and military has not been so large, advanced and powerful since 1989. The largest the Army has been, the highest amount of defence spending has been, since 1989 and the most experienced the Russian military been since 1945.
@NeuroScientician
@NeuroScientician 6 месяцев назад
This is the route to self-destruction. If your economy stands on building weapons that you don't sell to anyone and lose them in a week, that's just pure loss. Russian economy was of the banana republic variety before the war. Now it's just sad.
@AlexanderSeven
@AlexanderSeven 6 месяцев назад
The funny thing is that since Russian oligarchs cannot freely move money to the west and invest there anymore, they have to invest into Russian economy, which results in the rapid economy growing.
@lorenzokaty
@lorenzokaty 6 месяцев назад
I think too. Russian's most important industry sector was and is armamant one, together with energy sources. First one was simply reduced to internal demand and shrinked drastically in terms of turnover and occupation since the seventies. The second one it is as good as before if not better and for a simple reason: these goods have anelastic curves of demand = who does the market is who sells not who buys = if one do not buy a new buyer is ready to substitute him and the row is very long. This is a simple economy concept thought to university economy students during the first month of tuition. So shame on our leaders that act in a autolesionist way
@lorenzokaty
@lorenzokaty 6 месяцев назад
By these proxy wars the USA achieved the incredible result to rise back to life and full strength the armament Russian industry.
@lorenzokaty
@lorenzokaty 6 месяцев назад
And bankrupt EU countries forced to suicide thir economies.... Unbelievable!
@aviator77migsukhoi34
@aviator77migsukhoi34 6 месяцев назад
Hi M7 ! About that composites ,Soviets used this construction material on the skin of the MiG-29 in the 70's and on the Yak-141 in 80's ( more then 25% of empty weight). For comparison ,Su-57 has also about 25% of composites in empty weight but must know one thing. These composites can never withstand high G-load for a long period of time such as metal Alloys ,especially Aluminium-Lithium. This special Alloy was first used on the MiG-29M in 80's. 'First stage' prototypes of Su-57 had one big composite panel on the upper side of the fuselage( centroplane) . After many intense high G turns ( especially 10G sustained turn) ,it was obvious that composite skin can not whistend such a high G-load for a long period of time! immediately after first flying tests all first stage prototypes got one big metalic panel from Aluminium-Lithium Alloy type 1441 ( it can be seen as one big yelow panel over the upper side of the fusalage in the assembly process) .Yellow paint of the Al-Li alloy comes from the galvanization process.This 'phenomena' also happened to all-movable vertical stabilisers .First they were all metalic ( Al-Li Alloy 1441) on the first stage prototypes ,then on the second stage they had skin made from composites ( composites have grey color). Intense and longtime high G turns proved that this structure material on the stabilisers skin can not whitstend such a brutal G-force like metallic ones. Vertical stabilizers are otherwise the most sensitive aerodynamic surfaces on a fighter, especially during long-term maneuvering.The Americans had very similar results during test flights with the F-22EMD during the 90s. They found that wings with metal alloy skin were more durable than wings with composite skin. It was then decided that all-movable vertical stabilisers have a skin made from Al-Li Alloy and horizontal stabilisers will have skin made half from composites and half from Al-Li Alloy. The real Know-how is not in the composites neither in that Alloy of Al-Li 1441 but in the technology of joining them together on the skin panels by welding. All of this we can see on this video : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-R0ykwDn9Tcs.html Take a look on a sequence at 0:20 . We can see that big yellow panel over the central part of the upper fuselage. That is special high-temperature Alloy of Aluminium-Lithium type 1441. Composite materials have their advantages, of course, but they also have many disadvantages. Wish You all the best !
@agsystems8220
@agsystems8220 6 месяцев назад
Which is another way of saying that the applied composite technology was not advanced enough to do the job, not that composites could not do the job. Composites are not like metals, where you can simply change the metal and say whether it will work or not. There are so many details to design and construction of composite structures that it is very hard to say 'composites can't do x', and we usually have to say 'this design of composite cannot do x', and accept that design and engineering teams that are better with the materials might be able to get it to work.
@aviator77migsukhoi34
@aviator77migsukhoi34 6 месяцев назад
​@@agsystems8220 That is not right. One of the tactical-technical demand for PAK/FA or T-50 was to do complete 10G sustained turn. After several test flights on the first flying prototype Bort 51/051 ,they noticed some cracks on the skin panels made from composites ( made by company Hymcomposite). They first used special germetization glues then decided to change some skin panels with mentioned Alloy. The fact is that composite I will repeat again can not whitstand such a high G load as Alloy( metalic material) can. Almost same results got Americans in EMD phase of F-22 testing in the 90's. As a result of that actions ,Su-57 is the only real 10G ( long duration) capable fighter in the world. Su-35S can do 10G turn but not sustained. Fact is that composite materials are not strong enough like metallic ( Alloys).
@aviator77migsukhoi34
@aviator77migsukhoi34 6 месяцев назад
Now some more details and info about that composites.Composite materials ( in this case,carbon fiber reinforced plastic) are very strong and have excellent strength to specific weight ratio in comparison with metallic structure materials ( Alloys of course) . Reducing the weight of the aircraft is the goal of every design bureau, that was the case with F-22A Raptor and that was case in PAK-FA programme ( T-50 latter known as Su-57). When I mentioned ATF ,one of the TT- demands ( goals) was to have fighter with 35% of composites in the own weight ,yes 35% .Strength and lightness were one of the goals but that 35% was reduced to 25% ! Why ? Simply because, for example, a composite wing cannot withstand such damages and overloads as a metal wing can withstand. As we know, F-22 Raptor had first test flight in Sept. 7 1997 but only 18 days later on Sept. 25th ,one specific prototype-demonstrator had its first test flght. It was Russian S-37( known also as Su-47 Berkut ) ,Sukhoi's own project. S-37 was flying prototype-demonstrator for all composite forward swept wings and also demonstrator for some 'stealth' technologies ( was painted in all black scheme like USAF F-117A ( otherwise black color absorbs light and heat) with that forward swept wings like USAF AGM-129A ACM . Wing structure consists of 90% composite materials. So Russians had flying aircraft with almost all-composte wings in the same time like Americans ,even with greater % of composites in the wings.However, what should be kept in mind, the S-37 was only a prototype- demonstrator of certain technologies and not a prototype of a real fighter of the 5th generation as many thought and stated.Its composite wings had no carrying capacity.What happened to F-22 ? From all- composite wings they came to wing with all composite skin but with main structure made from Titanium Alloys ( there is 6 different Ti-Alloys in the structure of F-22A) and composites.From 35% to 25%! His wings have only one big undercarriage and can take one underwing fuel tank.For something like that, you need additional strength, resistance to vibrations, etc... Wings of Su-57 have two big undercarriage,for two heavy fuel tanks in total ,weapons with weight up to 1000kg or even for four new stealthy tactical cruise missiles called Product 715 ( 1600kg of weight each with max range of 1500kms ).For something like that, for that kind of load capacity, we need additional strenght a sufficiently hard and resilient wing structure.The same story is about that G-loads( overloads). In the video that I previously posted ,in the sequence at 0:15 we can see wing structure of the Su-57,main/ internal structure is made from Titanium Alloy and that Al-Li Alloy.There is no composites,only on the skin. Now some more videos with english titles, I will say from almost all-composite skin to mixture of metallic ( Al-Li Alloy) and composite. Pay attention to the first flying prototype from 2010 and what it had on the upper part of the fuselage and what the production planes have now. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ugZ8EdA-exc.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N4-RwreHRRg.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aDXNDA5xuS4.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CrZ8knrxtVM.html
@aviator77migsukhoi34
@aviator77migsukhoi34 6 месяцев назад
So as we can see ,Soviets worked with composites in the 70's and 80's and Russia worked with them even in the 90's( we all know what was economic, political and financial situation then). Same story is about that so 'popular' AESA. How many people even know ( or have read/ heard) that first Soviet if not in the world developed AESA was N014. Developed by Moscow's NIIR Fazatron at the end of 80's .Static tests began in the beginning of the 90's.Model of that radar was first publicly shown on the MAKS 2001, ten years after that. Su-57 got completelly new AESA ,developed under new TT- demands. It is known as radar system N036 Byelka ,dual-band radar system ,first of that kind in one fighter as part of highly integrated and automated complex Sh-121 MIRES. N036 has exactly 12 ( twelve) radar antennas-AESA of which 4 are centimetric ( they work in X band) and 8 are decimetric ( work in L band).With all of them, Su-57 is the only fighter in the world with all-around ( 360° in azimuth) radar coverage or FoV! All other operational fighters in the world have only one radar, Su-57 have twelve of them. One comparison ,Su-35S has its PESA N035 Irbis ( some kind of hybrid ESA where we have PESA radar with many capabilities of today's AESA ) .This radar has steerable antenna which can steer left-right to expand FoV to 240° and that is twice as much as any AESA in any western fighter.Main FoV of Irbis is by the way 120° and in that envelope radar can scan-search in given period. N036 in Su-57 with three main X band AESA ( have in total of 2242 TRM) one for forward and two for side-looking, can instantly-simultaneously scan-search in the FoV of 270° ( +/- 135°). Awesome.... Hm , twelve AESA vs only one in any other fighter ....Nice.
@rosomak8244
@rosomak8244 6 месяцев назад
Judging by from where we buy almost all of our road bikes, it's definitively the Chinese who are the masters in composites.
@Wokefolksuck
@Wokefolksuck 6 месяцев назад
You are comparing bikes and state of the art Jets… not apples to apples
@m1ken_01
@m1ken_01 6 месяцев назад
Let's go man, love your channel!
@uniqueaustraliandestinatio1352
@uniqueaustraliandestinatio1352 6 месяцев назад
Your videos are always good viewing, without obvious bias, imparting your knowledge and expertise. The idiots speak for themselves.
@chadbernard2641
@chadbernard2641 6 месяцев назад
Great video as usual, not sure where you got the figure of 80 lost because it's nowhere near that number. Hopefully you're not using oryx for information as it's been proven that they're double counting sometimes triple counting the same Russian. Losses to inflate numbers. To date for example they have only lost three SU-35s and in the meantime between last year and this year I believe they've gained 12 so the overall gain is about nine airframes from 2022 to 2023. Again great video and I don't think you answered the question of how many su-57's there are. For my research it says they will have their first full Squadron as of the end of 2023.
@rosomak8244
@rosomak8244 6 месяцев назад
Actually I'm aware at least of two squadrons of Su-35 that where delivered.
@piergaay
@piergaay 6 месяцев назад
This episode . . . now ad then you have to clean some mess. Well performed!
@philippedemoulin2902
@philippedemoulin2902 6 месяцев назад
Pierre Closrerman said seeing the beautiful Mosquito that a ugly plane could fly good but a gracious one will obviously fly nice. I think that the Checkmate is a beautiful airplane! Thanks for your work.
@Eristtx
@Eristtx 6 месяцев назад
2:15 - This is not a false analogy. The credibility of the US can be whatever, but that doesn't automatically make the US and Russia comparable. Historically, Russia as an autocratic regime tends to overreach - as can be seen in the performance of Russian weapons in Ukraine. I'm not saying they are bad or useless. But they fall short of reality compared to their announced qualities, whereas in the case of the US we don't have to address this so much (although one can point out fails on the US side as well). 14:18 - As an economist, I say the exact opposite. The mainstream media understates the impact of sanctions precisely because of their passive takeover of data from the World Bank. Within economics, there has long been criticism of GDP's ability to capture how the economy is doing, especially in specific situations. And a situation where you're accounting for a significant % of GDP and government reserves by burning a significant % of GDP to buy weapons that you price yourself may look like growth from a GDP perspective, but that's about it. The Russian economy is undergoing structural and irreversible changes. Globally, we might have expected something different, but that does not make sanctions an ineffective tool. For example, it has long been known that in the case of China, it is precisely on blind faith in official data that we have failed. Growth of 10% is great. Until you find out that it was driven by building houses for speculation, often along with city debt to prepare the accompanying infrastructure that is left lying fallow. 4:18 - "Russia economy is growing faster than expected" - 3 sources, the first "Lenta-ru", with the caveat being the media outlet is owned by the Russian government. The others are not visible. - Well, that you can't find something in the mainstream media and have to look for it is not exactly the best evidence in itself, especially if these alternative sources are either directly or indirectly connected to the Russian government. That doesn't necessarily make them untruthful, but it does raise some questions. A situation where your only export commodity is minerals and your main customer is China is a situation I would call all sorts of things, but I certainly wouldn't use it in the context of "evidence of greater stability in the Russian economy".
@TywinLannister0
@TywinLannister0 6 месяцев назад
thank you, i think he's a russian shill.
@tatianaes3354
@tatianaes3354 6 месяцев назад
*RE: Russian aircraft losses.* The figure 80 you cite probably comes from Oryx and the like, but it is not quite reliable because they were found to systematically miscount it (sometimes counting tiny parts of planes as plane losses, sometimes double-counting, sometimes counting the losses of Ukrainian equipment to Russia). That said, the losses that are indisputable are still significant, and yes, the manufacturing is not covering it yet, even though this year losses of planes have becoming minimal. Helicopter losses are more noticeable this year due to long-range attacks on parked machines.
@Statueshop297
@Statueshop297 6 месяцев назад
They use locations of photos so little parts of aircraft in the same rough area aren’t going to be counted several times.
@ImBigFloppa
@ImBigFloppa 6 месяцев назад
Oryx is very reliable. Their loss figures for Russia and Ukraine are inline with more strict resources, plus about 10%. Russian losses, for example, you can look at the Toronto based WarSpotting, which is more strict in regards to visual evidence and geolocation. For Ukrainian losses, you can look at Moscow-based LostArmour which is extremely similar to WarSpotting in regards to requirements. Both websites count about 10-20% lower losses than Oryx, which unfortunately sometimes uses telegram posts (from the side that lost the vehicle) as an entry. On Oryx, you'd see 87 destroyed Russian planes, with 8 damaged, and for Ukraine you'd see 75 destroyed and 2 captured / damaged. On WarSpotting, you'd get 63 destroyed Russian planes, with 11 damaged. On LostArmour you'd get 65 destroyed / damaged Ukrainian plane losses
@tatianaes3354
@tatianaes3354 6 месяцев назад
@@Statueshop297 they have cases with a single photo from an area of a tiny part and claim it was a plane loss, or claim that it was a Russian plane even when there is no way to claim it from the photo. And it is even worse with e.g. tanks. Though no wonder since Oryx is a NATO proxy just as other “independent” OSINT like Bellingcat, Observatory of Human Rights, etc.
@tunisiandom9318
@tunisiandom9318 6 месяцев назад
@@Statueshop297 they did count them many times though, and the multiple counting isn't limited to same location but also to Ukrainian jets, Ukraine operates same types of hardware (in air and on land) and oryx counts them as Russian. Ukraine operates Su-25 and Su-24 same as Russia and guess what, over 50% of the 80 jet losses are of those two types. Su-25 can be refurbished (that's how the Su-25SM3 are built) and the Su-24s will be replaced by Su-34s anyway. so basically just produce Su-34s and guess what they are, they have a contract for over 30 being built last delivery to date happened in late november 2023
@paulhiakita251
@paulhiakita251 6 месяцев назад
I'm from little o'l NZ and I've always been engrossed in aircraft design. I am always impressed with the different designs that come out, especially Russian and American aircraft. I know there will always be propaganda from both sides on the better abilities of their aircraft and technology. As we know there are so many different things involved in getting the best out of your aircraft and some times it's the human involvement that is the key after design,tech,engineering, battle back up, training infact all human involvement helps but on the the day of battle its just the air craft and its pilot. The only way to know the truth is in actual air battles. Russia and America are look at as being the the ones to keep up with when it comes to aircraft design. Other European countries and Asian are catching up. I am almost 69 and om still keenly engrossed in the beauty,design and power in the fighter aircraft industries around the world. If it wasn't for the human involvement, none of this can happen. So in the end doesn't it come down to humans.
@kathrynck
@kathrynck 6 месяцев назад
Photonic Radar, in concept, still uses radio waves for the outbound & inbound signal medium. But the propagation & reception is handled differently in a manner which leverages subtle interactions between radar waves and laser light. In concept, handling the RF waves _with_ a much more precise spectrum, gives greater fidelity. Ostensibly to produce a much finer resolution of the radar return signals than a normal radar receiver. Implications & applications = obvious. But it's still subject to many of the limitations of regular radar. It _could_ extend detection ranges, and possibly resolve track or lock quality contacts in unorthodox frequency ranges. As well as add an additional layer of "finesse" to the whole ECM/ECCM/ECCCM game. The concept is ambitious... how well it would work is another matter. The processing power needed is immense, and could pose a weak-point in itself. There's a sort of 'information overload' aspect to the concept as well. It's all in it's infancy right now. Numerous players are looking into it, including Russia and the US. It's often confused with LIDAR. And it is sometimes touted as a "stealth killer radar". I wouldn't call it a stealth-killer app. But it could "complicate" the RF detection cat & mouse situation. The fact that there is so little accurate information on it right now in the public space ...speaks volumes. But the fact that the US and Russia both want to put a photonic radar _ON_ a stealthy fighter aircraft ...also speaks volumes. Whatever the case, it beats China's quantum radar idea.
@ViceCoin
@ViceCoin 6 месяцев назад
F35 melts after 1 minute, at Mach 1. F22 skin needs to be replaced after a every mission.
@preludeh22a57
@preludeh22a57 6 месяцев назад
F-35 40 seconds at M1 and 20 seconds on M1,2 F-22 data is classified, but can assume it's same tech in use (or older- means worse)
@V4zz33
@V4zz33 6 месяцев назад
I recommend it to anyone to look up Ray McGovern, Douglas MacGregor, Scott Ritter, The New Atlas, Garland Nixon, Richard Medhurst, Jackson Hinkle, the Redacted, personalities and RU-vid channels to get a better idea over the world than what you can hear from main stream media. Great video, well done!
@johnperry4221
@johnperry4221 2 месяца назад
I enjoy your content... Obviously more informed than me. Thanks for your time
@fionastuart7825
@fionastuart7825 6 месяцев назад
There is talk of ten to twelve Su 57's by the end of the year.
@ulikemyname6744
@ulikemyname6744 6 месяцев назад
The biggest problem with Russia's reliability when it comes to information regarding their jets and other military systems is the state of their economy, corruption and overall technological position in the world. The Russian economy is not doing well and hasn't been since 2014. The Russian economy was doing relatively ok last year achiving below 60 ruble for a dollar after the big devaluation when the war started. But today it sits around 90 ruble for a single dollar so the Russian currency is devalued big time which is not great for their economy. It is projected to drop below 2 trillion USD this year from being 2.2 trillion last yeat. The civilian sectros are not doing great as well. The tourist industry is basically destroyed, car manufactuing is lost more than half its capacity and the access to Western markets which are also the richest is no longer an option. So the economy is not doing great at all and their biggest surge is obviously in the military industry Yet the military industry needs technology and that's not a strong point of Russia. Today technology comes from the private sector! And the Russian tech sector is basically a dwarf in size. So a person with common sense after reading the statistics about the Russian economy can easily conclude that this nation is incapable of producing a jet comparable to F-35.
@NeuroScientician
@NeuroScientician 6 месяцев назад
I don't believe that Russia can build a production line for a jet that in not from 1960. Gluing a few prototypes from spare part from su27 is not the same thing as actually having a running production line for something as complex as a modern jet. They dont have any institutional knowledge, dont produce any planes at scale, never did, do not produce any electronics. What exactly is the jet going to be made of?
@jamesmandahl444
@jamesmandahl444 6 месяцев назад
Since the end of the cold war sukhoi has built hundreds of su-30 variants across the globe. Right now Russia outpaces all european fighter production and yet only spends about roughly 70 billion a year which is well below the sum total of all european defense budgets. Add to this that Russia updates its strategic weapons, navy, army, etc... Do not delude yourself. As the saying goes Russia is never as strong as they pretend to be but they are never as weak as we like to think them to be. They are challenging the combined soft power of the western world ofder. This is extremely impressive and scary stuff. Not a joke. Our leaders are leading us into ww3 I fear.
@NeuroScientician
@NeuroScientician 6 месяцев назад
@@jamesmandahl444 Numbers are largely made up, as all Russian numbers. Su30 is 50 years old design being re-painted. It's always the same. Lots of gibberish, from pretend superpower that for some reason fights for villages near their borders with meat waves of conscripts riding on equipment from 1950.
@wilgoos63
@wilgoos63 6 месяцев назад
The usual excellent video. Thanks for your opinions, greatly appreciated
@mgkole
@mgkole 6 месяцев назад
I respect your work especially because you try to be objective
@dimitrisfragiadakis1468
@dimitrisfragiadakis1468 6 месяцев назад
Excellent video, keep it coming! Trolls (paid or not) will always exist!
@JinKee
@JinKee 6 месяцев назад
Wake up babe, new Su-57 Femboi video just dropped
@sidharthcs2110
@sidharthcs2110 6 месяцев назад
It's the other one SU57 is called felon
@zaporozsec1
@zaporozsec1 6 месяцев назад
I don't know why you have to make such jokes. If you didn't know, US Army actively encurages diversity and welcomes transgender people in their ranks. They would never call anyone names like that, not even their enemy.
@cerviche101
@cerviche101 6 месяцев назад
Cant reason logic to stupid people, thank you for your honest, respectful, impartial efforts.
@raylauderback5126
@raylauderback5126 6 месяцев назад
Never try to confuse people with facts or reason! 🤯
@frankunderbush
@frankunderbush 6 месяцев назад
"How dare the Russians and Chinese copy the art of breathing? The Great American breathing technique is clearly original and better, and the operators of such technique aren't living in a crumbling economy."
@riccccccardo
@riccccccardo 6 месяцев назад
God bless this Chanel and God bless Russia. 👊🏾
@aviator77migsukhoi34
@aviator77migsukhoi34 6 месяцев назад
One advice for those who are interested in this topic and I think M7 knows this things. So if someone want to discuss , e.g. compare fighters must know that basic thing in that domain is ''energy''. I wrote so many times about ''energy -factor'' and I will repeat it again. There is 5 energy parameters when we write about fighters: 1. energy in flight-kinematics , 2. energy-maneuverability( read and learn about Energy-maneuverability theory that is a model of aircraft performance and it was developed by USAF fighter pilot Col. John Boyd and mathematician Thomas P. Christie), then 3. energy of engine/s ( SEP ,thrust to weight ratio or exactly given dynamic thrust to given in flight weight ratio), 4. energy of fighter's radar ( energetic capabilities) and 5. energy of AAM's ( energetic/kinematic capabilities ).
@arieloq
@arieloq 6 месяцев назад
The only "photonic radar" that I know exists is a normal digital camera... and it works for many devices that we use such as smartphones...
@basila33
@basila33 6 месяцев назад
or your own eyes, right :) but in fact every usual radar can be called "photonic", keeping in mind wave-particle duality and electromagnetic nature of light.
@PaulWinkle
@PaulWinkle 5 месяцев назад
Even India doesnt want SU57...checkmate 😂
@NoName-ds5uq
@NoName-ds5uq 6 месяцев назад
At 2 minutes in, my comment is quoted and replied to. It is not a logical fallacy to be sceptical. It simply means not enough evidence has been supplied to support a claim. I don’t remember the context I made that particular comment on, but I am sceptical of Russian claims regarding their weapon systems. They do make a lot of extravagant claims! Their ships seem to be particularly bad as demonstrated in the Black Sea, and their Air Force has failed to attain air superiority over Ukraine which originally only had old Soviet-era SAM systems. I realise air superiority is not the main doctrine for Russia, but it follows their aircraft could be equally bad as their ships. It suits Russian interests to inflate their capabilities to support export sales. The other things you mentioned have been demonstrated, NGAD is most certainly a thing as it has been a programme for quite a while.
@leighz1962
@leighz1962 6 месяцев назад
I am skeptical of your claims
@NoName-ds5uq
@NoName-ds5uq 6 месяцев назад
@@leighz1962 and I am sceptical of your scepticism. This sounds like an episode of “Yes, Minister”…
@imrekalman9044
@imrekalman9044 6 месяцев назад
May I ask what demonstrated Russian ships to be bad? The Moskva was a derelict old ship, to be decommissioned by 2025 and Russia didn't waste money on it. Note it was taken out by the UA copy of the Russian Kh-35 missile. The recent withdrawal of the majority of ships from Sevastopol to Novorossiysk? The only thing they can do in this land war is lobbing Kalibr missiles on Ukraine, and they can do that from Novorossiysk with ease, far from the Ukrainian pinprick attacks. The old Soviet-era SAMs were still better than what NATO has, and Ukraine had the thickest SAM network in Europe (excluding Russia), one of the thickest in the world. The roughly 40 S-300 batteries were just the top of it.
@NoName-ds5uq
@NoName-ds5uq 6 месяцев назад
@@imrekalman9044 maybe their “special underwater military operation” could have something to do with it.
@imrekalman9044
@imrekalman9044 6 месяцев назад
@@NoName-ds5uq DO you have an actual answer, original thought, or just repeating the same pro-Ukraine catchphrases?
@ww2hungary827
@ww2hungary827 5 месяцев назад
8:20 BINGO! Very well said!
@lagrangewei
@lagrangewei 6 месяцев назад
the FC31 and the J35 are different planes. the J35 is enlarge and strengthen to handle carrier landing and allow lower airspeed takeoff. the "5" in chinese designation for carriers aircraft. the export version is likely to still be the FC31 which we recently saw a new prototype airframe being build, so Shenyang is still trying to move that into production and export while also building the J35 for the chinese navy. J35 would be more expensive than FC31 and so less competitive for export...
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