Why Some Cars Have Drum Brakes Instead of Disc Brakes

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Why Some Cars Have Drum Brakes Instead of Disc Brakes, DIY with Scotty Kilmer. Drum brakes vs disc brakes. How drum brakes work. How disc brakes work. Drum brakes vs disc brakes, which is better? How to check drum brakes. How to check disc brakes. How brakes work on a car. Drum brakes inspection. Disc brakes inspection. Drum brakes to disc brakes conversion. The history of drum brakes and disc brakes. Everything you need to know about drum brakes and disc brakes. Car advice. DIY car repair with Scotty Kilmer, an auto mechanic for the last 50 years.
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@scottykilmer 6 лет назад

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@phamnuwen9442 6 лет назад

Scotty do you ever use a lift when working on cars or is the jack and stands good for everything? Also, would you be willing to let a team of archaeologists examine your garage?

@angelofmandalaypadlock9704 6 лет назад

Scotty Kilmer you love made in chine cars mean you is democrats

@SacreDro 6 лет назад

Scotty, is the Lexus GS450 Hybrid from 2008-2009 a good car, any expensive or serious problems?

@blackbuccaneer189 5 лет назад

Scotty Kilmer uncle scotty I am confused which to buy camry or honda accord.please I need your help? I am from Saudi Arabia?

@EzerArthiom 5 лет назад

Srsly man, STOP TRANSLATING YOUR VIDEOS TO OTHER LANGUAGES!!!!

@tSp289 5 лет назад

“Honey, is he still out there shouting about brakes?” “Sure is. He’s been going since 2am this time. The police came at 3 but he ignored them, then he stopped for a coffee at 5 but he’s been flat out since then.”

@toocheedowns9237 4 года назад

Hahaha this comment is under rated. I've been watching him alot lately. hes cool but I do wonder what his neighbours are thinking sometimes hahaha

@normanbuchanan9710 4 года назад

🤭😂🤣stop it you're Killin me

@razeevronaldo7884 4 года назад

Lol. I am dying in the middle of pass way.

@alicebate6384 3 года назад

I don’t get this reference 🙈

@tSp289 3 года назад

@@alicebate6384 It's not a reference, more of a skit.

@mustansarhaidat5964 6 лет назад

Rev up your disc Brakes

@annebradley6086 6 лет назад

Mustansar Haidat I wonder if DiscGo turned into a famous dance 💃 lol 😉

@CDTucker336 5 лет назад

Be sure to use jack stands and make us a video!!!

@scarea2691 5 лет назад

Fuse your disc brakes together 💗

@xenongames7533 5 лет назад

Don't they'll overheat ;)

@GlycerinZ 5 лет назад

spin up your rotors!

@ImGoingSupersonic 5 лет назад

He started filming at dusk and ended at dawn. What a hero

@FuToo Год назад

The guy works 24/7

@Thestockxj96 6 месяцев назад

When do the people start turning into vampires like in the movie? 😂

@hey_buddy_waz_up 4 года назад

I remember when GM proudly declared "Disc Brakes" on the brake pedal back in the 70's and 80's

@nephetula 3 года назад

As did Ford back in the '60s.

@lance6092 2 года назад

My 86 Chevy has it as well.

@MyLifeThai371 2 года назад

My 1993 buick park avenueultra had drums in the back.

@manfer4693 2 года назад

Yet, Even they (both GM and FORD) used Drums and not Disc's at the rear

@billhill7330 5 лет назад

I had a 61 chevy pickup with drums. It took me a quarter mile to do a panic stop. Pucker factor = 11

@ChillkootMarkowee 5 лет назад

@Bill Hill well I have a similar truck to your's its a 1955 GMC truck with manual drum brakes all around. It just took more effort to stop then power brakes.

@jonathanbelanger6574 5 лет назад

@@billybob042665 Same here , on my 70 duster it was dangerous if you didn't start braking ahead of time especially in the rain , when i first got it i learned that pretty quickly after zipping past 2 or 3 stop signes lol

@nihlhinz488 5 лет назад

Ha, pucker factor. My dad used to say that. Thank you, sir. I forgot that one.

@fredferl 5 лет назад

Your avatar...💀

@richardbutton1179 5 лет назад

@@jonathanbelanger6574 Stopping was an afterthought until the 80s

@igorblyat7839 6 лет назад

Why did you film this video at 3 am? Did you like have a nightmare about drum brakes and disc brakes lol

@markgigiel2722 6 лет назад

He's saving his daylight for when we change the clocks.

@scarea2691 5 лет назад

@@markgigiel2722 ken m

@Neanderthal75 5 лет назад

There is nothing like working on some car brakes at 3am in the morning! You should give it a shot!

@MrLunithy 5 лет назад

@@Neanderthal75 farken lol

@friedchicken1 5 лет назад

haga ha ha hagaha

@stand9493 6 лет назад

Scotty, you're a straight talker with integrity. It is great to experience that rare quality in this day and age. Much of your advise and insights is much appreciated and some resonates with what I was taught 40 years ago. Keep up the good work. Your efforts are much appreciated!

@aaroncardenas9062 5 лет назад

I couldn't have said it better.

@randygreen8916 5 лет назад

Scotty is the best.

@Angello20-PY 5 лет назад

Really appreciated 👌🏾

@FakeMoonRocks 5 лет назад

Watching this guy's channel makes me wish I had a vintage muscle car, tools, and a garage to work in. I still have that spirit in me, being from the tail end of a bygone era.

@davidklimmek3192 5 лет назад

He is the man. Good upstate NY fella born & raised!

@mandolinic 5 лет назад

My car is so old, its only brake is an old shoe on the end of a lever rubbing up against the edge of a wheel.

@cybrarian9 5 лет назад

Could be worse ... you could be a calloused-foot Fred Flintstone. :-)

@mandolinic 5 лет назад

@@cybrarian9 That's how I get the car moving in the first place! It's hard work when I've got the whole family plus some take out dino steaks.

@cybrarian9 5 лет назад

@@mandolinic , let me guess, your license plate says "BEDROCK" or a variant of same.

@mandolinic 5 лет назад

@@cybrarian9 Yabba Dabba Dooh.

@DylanL69 5 лет назад

Must be a model T with mechanical brakes lol

@therealoneeighth 5 лет назад

Okay, but why are you yelling at me about it?

@secnbc 2 месяца назад

😂😂😂

@markbeaulieu8004 5 лет назад

Scotty has a dream about brakes. Wakes up and does a video about brakes at 3am AND you can’t forget the shades cause those lights are too bright!

@joshualaw375 5 лет назад

I was actually thinking about going from disc brakes to drum brakes... *...on my bicycle.*

@gedias1 5 лет назад

Funnily enough, many children's bikes used something very similar to drum brakes for stopping.

@iMadrid11 5 лет назад

I love the drum brakes on my bicycle when I was a kid. Because the screech when you hit the brakes hard. It sounds like your doing a burnout.

@danielfitri97 5 лет назад

Why the hell u watch this video then🤣

@carmengiaa65 5 лет назад

No.

@silviu.x2661 5 лет назад

😂😂😂

@1066gaz 5 лет назад

I just can imagine scotty's neighbours wearing wireless headphones when watching tv.

@daveschannel49 3 года назад

I dont get it? Why?

@1066gaz 3 года назад

@@daveschannel49 so they can't hear scotty's high pitch voice wearing them at the furthest distance possible from scotty ie at back end of the house dave haha (;-)

@mustansarhaidat5964 6 лет назад

Scotty you work too much Do you ever take a break ???

@scottykilmer 6 лет назад

no I work every day, but this isn't work for me, it's fun and interesting helping people out

@superapple4ever 6 лет назад

Yeah, he takes a break on this D. ;)

@xaenon 6 лет назад

Maybe he should take a BRAKE.

@AB-ou8ve 6 лет назад

Scotty Kilmer Amen, that’s the only job that should exist.

@AB-ou8ve 6 лет назад

*type of job

@cliveharrison-43 4 года назад

I just stick my foot out when I want to stop

@jivansinghtoor 4 года назад

I take my shoe off when I do this

@gianfrancoforattini8930 3 года назад

LOL

@jhboob 3 года назад

Fred Flintstone style. Lol

@densilcardna 3 года назад

Fred? Hey, it's Barney here!

@dukenukem5768 3 года назад

I don't need to.stick it out, I've got holes in the floor. Is your car rust-free then?

@ElusiveMasquerade 5 лет назад

Scotty is always down to earth with his explanations. He’s a true mechanic and I love this channel.

@DashPar 4 года назад

I always apply both brakes equally on a motorcycle. I don’t want a cement sandwich!

@teaganhutchison1062 3 года назад

I use engine breaking and some front brake because I don't need to move my foot

@JasonGroom 3 года назад

As you should, keeps the back end from ending up in front of you.

@johnchandler1687 3 года назад

An old guy told us years ago, when you downshift to slow your car your using engine parts, transmission parts and rear-end parts to brake with. A set of brake shoes or pads are way cheaper than any of those.

@Racko94 3 года назад

Especially when going through corners. Rode the Tail of the Dragon not long ago, used the rear brakes more in that day of riding than what I normally use in like 3 months

@hughmungus6838 6 лет назад

Scotty reminds me of the doc from back to the future. And sounds the exact same.

@dezalan437 5 лет назад

Hugh Mungus now you say it... he does 👍🏼

@mariamontes9407 5 лет назад

HUGH MUNGAS WHA ? HUGH MUNGAS WHA ? ARE YOU SEXUALLY HAREASSING ME

@mrichar9 5 лет назад

Rev up your FLUX CAPACITORS!!!

@soilmanted 6 лет назад

Nice explanation. Scotty got it right this time. But he left out one of the reasons for putting drums on the rear - the parking brake. You don't want to rely on hydraulics to keep the car from rolling away after you get out of it. You want a strong, mechanical linkage to keep the friction surface firmly in contact with the drum or with the rotor. With rear drum brakes, a simple cable from the handbrake lever to the brake shoes, and another lever attached to the brake shoes, can keep the brake shoes in contact with the drum. What kind of mechanical connection are you going to use to keep the friction pads in disk brake caliper in contact with the rotor? While some cars do have some kind of mechanical connection to keep brake pads in contact with rotors, the solution for other cars is to use a combination system which has a rotor and small drum cast into a single unit, and small brake shoes inside the drum. So now you have disk brakes AND drum brakes on the rear. Now things are getting more complicated, and heavier - heavier than plain rotors would be, and possibly heavier than plain drums would be - defeating one of the advantages of disk brakes. Might as well just make the drums a little bit bigger, and dispense with the rotors.

@ericchandler90 5 лет назад

Yep. That's why trucks that need a reliable and strong parking break have them. Trailer plus truck on a hill can cause a bunch of damage if it gets loose.

@garylangley4502 5 лет назад

I had a '73 Peugeot 504 sedan, and it had 4 wheel disc brakes. They had a metal cam on each rear caliper that was connected to the park brake cable. The easy way to set them was to hold your foot on the brake pedal, then pull the park brake handle. They worked just fine.

@alext9067 5 лет назад

I remember the Corvette disc brakes. I worked for a Chevy dealer. My understanding was that the parking brake slipped on the rear disc brakes. I never thought about the fact that the linkage might have been the reason for the change back to drums. They told us that the static friction on a disc is less than on a drum. Hmm. I bet they were lying again.

@jimjaco4210 5 лет назад

@@alext9067 i would say they are probably right about the static friction since a drum brake has a lot more surface area in contact than a disc.

@kiran.kv_photography 5 лет назад

My car Tata aria have all 4 Disc brakes , but handbrakes are mechanical itself , drum inside the disc is used as normal brake drum with brake shoes inside , so the handbrakes on my car are fully mechanical (drum brake) and its all wheels are discs ...got it?

@inertiaforce7846 5 лет назад

You know I've been watching a lot of Scotty's videos in just the last year and I've learned a hell of a lot. I don't agree with everything he says all the time, but I mostly agree with what he says. And he obviously knows more than I do so I've learned a hell of a lot also.

@wildestcowboy2668 2 года назад

You agree with Scott cause you are a follower! Real men are building 69 charger's in our own shop's pal...

@BkGreg 5 лет назад

Those rear drum breaks make a much simpler system for the emergency brake setup.

@DylanL69 5 лет назад

Those wear discs with a drum parking brake are better they don't wear and NEVER use it for emergencies unless it's about 5 mph or less the car will spin out it's for PARKING ONLY

@Thunderstormworld 5 лет назад

Drum brakes are less efficient.

@DylanL69 5 лет назад

@@Thunderstormworld yes they're less efficient but they make the best parking brake

@Thunderstormworld 5 лет назад

@@DylanL69 not really, disc still out preforms and less hassle

@thefuzzypickle8277 5 лет назад

@@DylanL69 Not when the parking brake is tucked under the hat of a rotor. You get the best of both worlds

@Neanderthal75 5 лет назад

Slotted or drilled rotors are a scam. Don't go for it, unless you race the car. Regular daily driving, go with the regular rotors. I learned the hard way after spending a lot of money on drilled rotors, only - as Scotty mentioned- to have noisy brakes and a lot worse breaking distance. I couldn't return them after a week of use so my rotor and pads replacement ended up costing me 3X the price instead of going with the plain old regular oem rotors from the start.

@somedudeinchirons4936 5 лет назад

I have slotted and drilled and they have way mot bite to them! So yes i use them as i race a lot and the thermal dissipation helps a lot and is definitely noticeable.

@FroztiProductions 5 лет назад

Perhaps if I plan on occasional track visits in my daily driver I should vent vented, non-slotted/drilled rotors.

@somedudeinchirons4936 5 лет назад

@@FroztiProductions yeah well lets just hope you drive a fun daily haha

@FroztiProductions 5 лет назад

@@somedudeinchirons4936 It's fun to me, at least... It's a slow project. Drilled rotors scare me, I've heard so many stories of cracking.

@ArtisticSep 5 лет назад

FroztiProductions odd, because any cracking tends to be because of too much heat. The drilled holes actually help reduce the tension in the metal as well. The holes help reduce the heat of the rotor from increased air flow and help the brake dust have a place to go during use. Go with quality metal, never go to the store and get the cheapest part or go online and get the cheapest part. You pay for what you get.

@cybrarian9 5 лет назад

Thank you for this incredible education, Scotty! You're like the "uncle" we all need to ask our car questions to.

@camokazi1313 4 года назад

Facts. I wish he was my unc.

@jamesearlcash7725 4 года назад

Sucks that some people didn't grow up in a car guy family. My dad and his brothers were hot rodders or lowriders so everyone knew things about cars. Me and my buddies are all car guys. It's a fun and useful hobby to get in to

@siler7 4 года назад

@@jamesearlcash7725 I can confirm that it sucks. I didn't have a dad, garage, sane older brother...any of the usual ways you learn to fix cars.

@halxiii7538 5 лет назад

Im laughing so hard that he kept his shades on even in the dark lol.

@stevegarcia1796 3 года назад

He's the coolest man 😎

@theguywithanobjective482 5 лет назад

i bought a 66 beetle and i was wondering if i should convert it to disk breaks

@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel 5 лет назад

I had a 73 Thing that I put a disc brake kit on the front. It made a huge difference. No more downshifting when you brake for a panic stop. The Thing also had two adjusters per drum that didn't self-adjust. The kit I installed also came with a new master cylinder.

@ea9167 6 лет назад

Glad I saw this, only yesterday I was contemplating replacing my drums with disks. Great timed video :D

@brunoraoni 6 лет назад

Don't lie to yourself, you planning on adding 4 disc brakes as DLC on the next NFS.

@ea9167 6 лет назад

@@brunoraoni Wrong, I was planning on adding 4 disc brakes as part of the Season Pass on the Ultra Deluxe Edition™.

@joebrown9621 6 лет назад

😳 a few persons i knew did the rear conversion ended up with worse braking performance because they didn't factor in that drum brakes provides more braking torque than disc and they needed to change the proportioning valve to compensate.. regular driving stick with factory set up

@Omar-em7rl 5 лет назад

EA Games, It's In The Grave.

@japm8927 5 лет назад

Scotty still says disks are waaaay better than drums *shrugs*

@edwinzuniga1987 6 лет назад

If Scotty replies to my comment i will buy a Toyota instead of a Mercedes

@scottykilmer 6 лет назад

Looks like you’re buying a Mercedes then

@Iriz110 6 лет назад

OOf

@ronaldderooij1774 6 лет назад

so, which Toyota will it be then?

@Darinbox 6 лет назад

Ronald de Rooij a Toyota Celica

@edwinzuniga1987 6 лет назад

@@ronaldderooij1774 hahahah he actually replied. well looks like i am getting a Toyota Tercel. thanks scotty !

@Kacpa2 6 лет назад

My 1990 Celica has all wheel disk brakes. It depended on the trim. Lowest trim level Celicas had drums. Everything else in the lineup had all wheel disks.

@taunusv4power 6 лет назад

Yeah my 86 as well, mine's a japanese version though and every time i open the hood i get asks if the strut bar is aftermarket. Check that out too. I don't know how your generation was but not every 4th gen came with a strut bar

@Aleasysn 6 лет назад

Yup my 01 has read drums that I’m converting to disks, mainly cause I hate changing drums. Also I’m planning on boosting later on so I’m using bigger rotors from the avensis for stopping power

@Casper9 6 лет назад

My 94 as well, makes life little bit easier when changing brakes

@moneyparhar 5 лет назад

This guy love everything cheap and base model and no looking forward to spend any $. Typical cheapstake

@video99couk 5 лет назад

I'm surprised that any Gen6 Celica had drum brakes. But then I was also surprised when Scotty said he has manual winding windows on that car too. My 1994 Celica GT in the UK has disc rear (plus drums for handbrake) and of course electric windows. Alas no air con though. My 1972 Hillman Avenger has front disc brakes, so I'm guessing they were fairly universal by then on all but the cheapest cars (MK1 Escort base model for example). However my Avenger has no servo assistance, so you stop the car with your foot. I really like that system, you get to feel the road better, but if you're expecting a dead stop when you gently touch the brake pedal, then you're possibly in for a rude awakening.

@tomlemole4164 5 лет назад

I love how Scotty speaks to both the how (direct technical explanation) and the why (history, design choices, degree of importance, etc.) for all of these basic auto issues. You can't beat a good "Pros & Cons" video. ;)

@JDMHaze 6 лет назад

2:10 - 2:14 me on a date with a big girl after being catfished

@aloevera1321 6 лет назад

😂

@JDMHaze 6 лет назад

ALOEVERA "hey, thats alotta weight"🤷🏽‍♂️

@josesorola830 6 лет назад

1:43 me with a big girl

@Greedy470 6 лет назад

@@JDMHaze THAT'S ALLOTA DAMAGE

@dangleason9023 6 лет назад

Shit's gonna overheat fast!!! haha. Great comment Keye T.

@fredorico41 5 лет назад

Your are true legend, I shared this with my Gf, she asked me about how brakes work, very helpful 👍 from 🇦🇺

@stevegarcia1796 3 года назад

👉🇺🇸🇺🇸🇦🇺👍🇦🇺🇺🇸🇺🇸👈

@waynenoll1967 3 года назад

I also had an old Maverick and remember having to “pump” the brake pedal after driving through deep water to “dry out the brakes”, lol

@DougZbikowski 10 месяцев назад

I just changed the drum brakes on my 2006 Scion xA. That was the first and LAST time I want to do that 🤣

@tmiklos4 3 года назад

Scotty, I remember talking about this 35 years ago in college. The professor said that if you need to stop the rotation fastest drum brakes are what you want. But to have controlled breaking or not or not to instantly stop, disk works best.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 5 лет назад

Can't stand disc brakes on the rear of a vehicle in the salty states. They rust away and seize up about 3 times faster that the front discs, so you have to replace the rears every few years! Drums are pretty much lifetime maintenance-free units that are better suited for the daily driver. Plus the parking brake always works way better on a drum brake since it uses the main shoes anyways. Love the vids, Scotty!

@Bartonovich52 5 лет назад

Driven in Canada for 20 years and only ever owned two vehicles with rear drums. I’ve only had ONE caliper seize on me... and it was so easy to replace along with the ruined disc that I’d take it over drum brakes any day even if it had to change calipers every year. That same cheap jobber caliper and disc are still going strong after 7 Canadian winters... the other one is probably the age of the vehicle: 14 years.

@TiberianFiend 5 лет назад

Shoes also last a lot longer than pads because they have more material.

@magnusmoty 5 лет назад

Drum brakes on oll of my cars were rusty inside and hand brake requred maintenance. Disk brakes were always okay. Audi 80 uses main disk pads for a hand brake and it is great.

@MXSLICK 5 лет назад

so many seized rear calipers. those pins become one and weld themselves in. I find if you are a little harder on the brakes intentionally they dont seize as bad.

@calebmayfield8474 5 лет назад

Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics It’s called maintenance.

@lootimusmaximus6786 6 лет назад

Disc brakes and rotors are so easy to change too i just bought a car and glade mine have front and back disc brakes.

@castlewhore2007 6 лет назад

A seeing idog oh so true

@dangerdavefreestyle 6 лет назад

oh yeah the birds beak, cable, springs, F&@!

@dekoldrick 6 лет назад

Not so easy on my car because Honda had the genius idea of making the front disc brakes hub over rotor. So you have to take the axle nut off first which requires a heavy duty impact driver or a sumo wrestler standing on the a breaker bar. Then you have to remove the hub, then the rotor comes off.

@appalachiangunman9589 6 лет назад

The only good thing about drum brakes is that they last a long time, but disc brakes are easier to change, and they stop you faster.

@hakont.4960 6 лет назад

@@dekoldrick What the heck kind of Honda do you have? Apart from the stupid screws that hold the rotor onto the hub (which I threw away after the first rotor replacement), it's actually really easy to replace the rotors on my 2010 Civic.

@marshalmagooo3899 5 лет назад

Scotty sponsored by the State of New Hampshire. Live Free or Die

@waugy370z8 5 лет назад

I always tell people changing drum brakes is like working on a bear trap.

@michaelkennedy8573 4 года назад

Thats a load of shite

@tyronnfields7945 3 года назад

Just need the right tools and do one side at a time.

@mkay6089 5 лет назад

Wow an American saying discs instead of rotors.. cool.

@mulldezee4034 5 лет назад

M Kay you are right, in my country Nigeria 🇳🇬 is called discs brake

@miragef191 5 лет назад

In Bosnia we call it a discs 2: )

@humanandroid8099 5 лет назад

In Germany is called disc too

@redxiii1810 5 лет назад

Based off all of Scotty’s vids look for: 4 wheel disc brakes Chain, not a belt Toyota or a good brand Manual trans 😁😁

@triparadox.c 5 лет назад

2 wheels disc brakes btw

@F632-s4x 3 года назад

The perfect vehicle has already been made and its a 1994 Toyota Celica. Save yourself the trouble don't even worry about anything else.

@Stevesmith-yw7cr 6 лет назад

Seeing how disk brakes are now the standard, even less expensive cars now have 4 wheel disk brakes. It's called economy of scale. Build more of them and it becomes cheaper. Less parts to a disk brake also makes them more desirable. Changing disk pads is way easier than drum brake shoes. I can change the 4 disk brakes on my car in less than an hour with new disks and rotors. With drum brakes, I have to remember where all the springs and pieces go and it is kind of a PIA to snap the springs into the holes of the drum shoes and back plate. Disk brakes are also self adjusting but so are drum brakes. The problem with drum brakes is getting them adjusted at first to have the correct pressure on the drum from the drum shoes. Lots of people died because of drum brakes. They used to be made of asbestos. The dust from drum brakes was toxic and lead to lung cancer. Lots of old time mechanics died of lung cancer brought on by inhaling drum shoe dust. Some have said that actor Steve McQueen died of lung cancer brought on by his inhaling brake shoe dust. He did do a lot of his own mechanical work on his machines.

@joebrown9621 6 лет назад

but have to remember brake shoes last way longer than rear pads because of friction drag.. som people don't even change them for nearly the life of the vehicle

@jec6613 5 лет назад

@@joebrown9621 My rear shoes made it to 170,000 miles and still had a good amount of friction material on them when I replaced them - I only did it because one adjuster had seized so while you're in there might as well put new ones on.

@wildbill23c 5 лет назад

Drum brakes aren't that hard to change, its just the getting the dang springs back on that creates a headache LOL. Many vehicles that have drum brakes in the back still have those original drum brake shoes when the vehicle finally dies because they aren't used as heavily as the front brakes...that is unless someone drives around with the parking brake on LOL. Front brakes do most of the work so disc front brakes and drum rear brakes were the standard for several years, they're slowly going to all wheel disc brakes now, my 08 toyota tundra had 4 wheel disc brakes, they just wear out faster thanks to the electronic nannies using them for ABS, traction control, stability control, and the fake rear limited slip which was nothing more than the brakes being applied to the wheel that was spinning faster LOL.

@joevignolor4u949 5 лет назад

Steve McQueen worked at a garage as a professional mechanic doing brake work on a daily basis. He probably inhaled lots of brake dust, which in all likelihood contributed to his getting lung cancer.

@joevignolor4u949 5 лет назад

I recently found out something about rear drum brakes to be careful of. Because they don't wear quickly and get replaced very often the adhesive they use to bond the padding to the metal frame of the brake shoe can eventually break down. As such, you can have a rear shoe with a lot of miles on it that looks okay because the padding is still thick but the adhesive can deteriorate causing the padding to separate from the frame of the brake shoe. I've seen cases where the padding has separated from the frame of the shoe and gone around and gotten caught at the top and bottom of the drum. As a result I've gone back to using riveted instead of bonded brake shoes for rear drum brakes.

@KishorJoshiMCh 4 года назад

Hi Scotty, Your videos are a great mix of knowledge and humour. I have been watching your videos from India and learning a great deal about cars. Seeing your garage reminds me of my fathers garage. My father is an engineer and still has tools and nuts and bolts from 50 years ago in the garage. I wish you good health to keep doing what you love and keep producing these great videos. You are a global treasure.

@Chase_is_a_race 4 года назад

Drum brakes are used on forklifts, and alot of heavy industry. They wear longer, have much more surface area for better stopping of alot of weight. Like alot of things mechanical, they STILL work in an emergency if brakes lines go out, with a mechanical park brake setup.

@autocrow 5 лет назад

Good points. The thing I don't like about drum brakes is they are harder to change and they are hidden so you can't see their condition.

@user-zf2kp9ki3b 5 лет назад

You're a legend Scotty. Love your passion on explaining things. Keep up the good work. GOD BLESS!!!!

@NebukedNezzer 6 лет назад

if you change just the front brakes to disc there needs to be a proportioning valve installed for the rear brakes.

@MrTheMiguelox 5 лет назад

Even cars with 4 wheel drums have proportioning valves as during braking there is a wheight transfer to the front so they do most of the work, regadless of being drum or disc.

@NebukedNezzer 5 лет назад

not always true. my 67 chevrolet heavy duty half ton van did NOT have any proportioning valve and it would lock up the rear brakes first if the truck was empty or lightly loaded. not a great thing but that was life with older stuff.

@Bartonovich52 5 лет назад

Yeah... that’s when American vehicles were “unsafe at any speed” 400+ cubic inches of displacement and nothing but leaf springs, drum brakes, and bias plies to reel it in.

@MrTheMiguelox 5 лет назад

@@Bartonovich52 I don't know exactly why leaf springs would make a car dangerous. Many american cars had 4xcoil springs from the late 50's on. I imagine you mean that the rear solid axle was dangerous, but it isn't really, it may provide less exciting handling, but it a lot more predictive than the snap-oversteer caused by the swing axles used on many Euro cars at the time.

@amc401nash6 5 лет назад

@@MrTheMiguelox Agree, many Saturday night short track cars along with vintage racers still use solid axles and leaf springs. Although, unlike some internet jockeys those people actually know how to drive.😁

@markjordan4994 5 лет назад

Aside from performing better, disk brakes are a lot easier to service than drum brakes.

@markbro4427 5 лет назад

Mark Jordan more prone too seizing though,especially rears....using good grease on the sliders helps alot though...I use Mintex ceratec,alot of people still wrongly use copper grease on sliders.

@nserekodaniel7653 3 месяца назад

"Unless you are racing the car, don't waste your money" Sir I don't want to look cheap by having break drums so I'm converting the brakes.

@WarriorsPhoto 2 года назад

I gotta say this is a good video. I learnt a lot sir.

@TheBlackBeltPanda 5 лет назад

Don't forget drilled/slotted rotors have a tendency to crack around the holes/slots.

@MrMega200 5 лет назад

That's only with the badly made ones or the rotors were modded after they were made, making fractures a real possibility. That's only a problem with generic, badly made ones, or were worn out too quickly and couldn't dissipate the heat due to being far past the car manufacturer requirements for a safe usable rotor

@cameronalexander359 5 лет назад

Drums have more contact area than discs, are self energizing & work as a great handbrake.

@CaberFeidh 5 лет назад

And eliminate the all-too-often frozen handbrake adjustment mechanism.

@kevinfromsales6842 5 лет назад

Even mountain bikes have hydraulically actuated disks these days.

@batvette 5 лет назад

Unnecessary overcomplexity... cable actuated discs are more than adequate at efficient transfer of force for most riders. But then Shimano has gotten many people thinking they need fancy gizmos with batteries and servo motors to actuate their derailleurs with twice as many cogs as they really need so what do I know. Those guys make great components, but you have to throw them all away every other year to keep compatible. LOL. Good thing theyve stopped at 11 speeds, since they can only make chains so narrow. Now theyve decided the way to force you into a new groupset is LESS. 1X11 with up to 36 rear teeth for the ROAD? I think its to appeal to dullards who cant get derailleur adjustment and chainlines right.

@flashyplayer 5 лет назад

@@batvette try Enduro or downhill mountainbiking without hydraulic brakes. Lol. Hydraulic disc brakes are God sent for mountainbiking.

@batvette 5 лет назад

@@flashyplayer well call me dumb but i still dont understand why. It doesnt help with brake fade and I doubt even such extreme bicycle braking needs the more efficient nature of hydraulic force transfer over mechanical. What you claim is true but is it because of the increased efficiency of fluid transfer or merely because manufacturers use hydraulics in heavy duty brakes as marketing tools? Seems to me they could accomplish the same thing with improved cables and sleeves and better leverage on controls and calipers. Perhaps beefing up all of that brings a weight penalty that hydraulics then offsets. (Obviously Im not arguing you are wrong but just offering thoughts for your input) I mostly ride my circa 2000 klein quantum race pro but Ive had a few exotic mountain bikes including an all titanium bike i spent a year buying components off ebay at bargain prices yet still had $4k in it. Frame was a us made early production blem from a washington factory that made ti frames for all the us manufacturers. Like $700, a steal. Had those shimano xtr rims they made for one year with spokes anchored on the sidewalls and ti hubs.... ti chainrings, morati one piece ti bar and stem... judy xl double crown but light forks. Full xtr stuff but the least exotic were the avid bb brakes and i loved the lack of maintenance required. They did require rock solid sleeving. Miss that bike but as light as it was I wasnt riding in dirt and on the road it was a slug compared to my klein. Last of the great aluminum frames.

@flashyplayer 5 лет назад

@@batvette simply because mechanical brakes are too linear when it comes to braking. Hydraulic brakes provide a 'progressive' feeling when you brake. Not to mention hydraulic brakes are more reliable than mechanical ones, there's a reason why cars use hydraulic brakes. The force applied is also greater on hydraulic brakes, which mechanical brakes cant really provide. you also can get more surface area on hydraulic brakes with their pots. Hence why we have 4-6 pot brakes which isn't possible with mechanicals, that could also help combat brake fade. Sure mechanical brakes could be improved, but that would make it far too overcomplicated. A hydraulic brake isn't that complicated, a fairly maintained, regularly bled hydraulic brake would last years with no issues what so ever.

@batvette 5 лет назад

@@flashyplayer thanks for that.

@nia6849 5 лет назад

Should I replace my drum brake or is it a lifetime maintenance-free units ? I have a Toyota Corolla CE 2005 and has 125K miles

@CC-ke5np 5 лет назад

Drum brakes have two major advantages: Drums ease the radial loads on the wheel bearings when braking. Discs increase the load dramatically. And drum brakes use two pistons in the same cylinder on different ends. So the forces are brake pad against brake pad instead of pad vs caliper. This makes use of your force on the pedal more efficiently. Cars with drum brakes front/rear don't need any brake boosters or servos. Mixed cars do but can still fully brake with broken booster. All-disc cars are hard to stop when the booster fails.

@mikehano 2 года назад

obviously a physicist!

@ZeroBlackfire 6 лет назад

Last time I came this early, my girlfriend was disappointed........ :D

@speckledjim9895 6 лет назад

Yeah....she was disappointed at me too. Ooopps…..erm…..forget what I just said.

@denhayes8541 6 лет назад

SO LAME

@tqdinh2 5 лет назад

ZeroBlackfire 😂

@rajbrar9358 5 лет назад

Scotty, you have so much energy. Ur job is ur enthusiasm

@jbarah05 6 лет назад

I really like drum brakes for off roading application.

@needtoknow204 5 лет назад

No stones!!

@firebladex8586 5 лет назад

that's why I was surprised to hear that disks are used in tanks. Drums are more rugged.

@adityagauba630 3 года назад

In india even Rolls Royce Ghost had front 2 ventilated disc brakes, and rear 2 Drum brakes..

@purpledoge4466 5 лет назад

Hate drum brakes!, disc brakes takes me 5 minutes,Drum brakes take me 3 days LOL

@AlexandarHullRichter 5 лет назад

While that's true, disc brakes need service every 50-60k, and drums don't need service until after 200k sometimes.

@erictremblay4940 5 лет назад

Totally agree with all of your explanations here, and I learned a bunch of new things too! Thanks Scotty! For normal daily driving, I would even believe rear drum brakes last much longer than rear disk brakes (as those seems to rust way quicker, being used less often) .

@elpresidente4409 5 лет назад

Kilmer makes me happy that I was a mechanic in my younger years.

@gyrgrls 5 лет назад

Can you hear the drums, Fernando?

@amc401nash6 5 лет назад

That's a good one! No joke, I think the first time I heard that song was in my girlfriend's Maverick and it needed brake shoes along with everything else.

@dukenukem5768 3 года назад

A big reason for rear drum brakes is that it is easier and cheaper to arrange a handbrake mechanism. Some cars have a combined disk/drum at the rear, the drum just for the handbrake.

@farmall_cub_in_columbia3642 5 лет назад

Back when there were many disc front drum rear configurations around, was the fact that drum brakes are self assisting. This was useful for the functioning of the emergeny brake system as the e-brakes used the rear brake drums /shoes and could be mechanically engauged as was done using a small e-brake pedal or hand lever. On 4 wheel disc brakes back then, Corvettes, Volvos etc. 1960 and 70's the emergency brakes where a completely separate drum brake subsystem that was designed into the rear disc brake hat on each rear rotor. Worked well but lots of parts so costly. In the 1990's, to solve the cost problem of a 4 wheel disc brake system with emergency brakes, the designed advanced into the cam driven calipers where the e-brake function could then be incorporated to use the rear disc brake pads/rotor to also function as e-brakes. Mechanical tolerance control and mechanical advanatge was the challenge that was solved.

@tope.sosanya 5 лет назад

Thanks Scotty! Love the history of disk brakes you mentioned- very interesting stuff and it makes sense. Dealing with an old Ford truck with four wheel drum brakes with no brake booster and they stink! I like the idea of converting just the front. Thanks again!

@tope.sosanya 5 лет назад

I have to take back the "they stink" part. I've got them working pretty good- just needed to tighten them up. This is something you can mention on your master cylinder video- the fact that the brakes need to be properly adjusted at the wheel so that they drag a bit (at least for drum brakes) to tighten the pedal! Thanks again.

@rightlanehog3151 6 лет назад

The rear shoes on my 05 Vibe have lasted well over 100,000 miles. The front rotors and pads were changed around 65,000 miles.

@ateam6486 6 лет назад

then that means your a good driver and not to aggressive. but when brakes get old and still have lots of pad left, they get hard from age and make a squeak that drive people crazy. its normal to get 10 years out of drum brakes, they tend to get rusted up inside and fall apart. so with 100,000 on it, you still might want to have them changed. and old brakes tend to lose grip because they become hard with age. like new rubber grips very good but old dry rubber slides. over time you slowly get used to having to work the brake harder, this shortens the life of the front disc brakes as they are then made to work harder. so the 2nd set of front disc brakes tends to not last as long, and always use ceramic brakes, the cheap organic make crazy noise and makes the wheels go black with organic dirt all over them and do not take the heat nearly as well. only about a 15 dollar difference for the better ceramic brakes. ceramic is for disc brakes while drum brakes will be organic or semi metallic.

@Fifthcell 6 лет назад

Deplorable Vibes are good cause they’re literally redesigned Toyota Matrixes...

@joebrown9621 6 лет назад

shoes tend to last longer than even rear pads on disc brakes because of the extra frictional drag created by the pads

@rightlanehog3151 5 лет назад

Driving a manual adds to brake life as well. BTW most of my driving is suburban.

@niccadoodles 5 лет назад

Your rear disc brakes will probably last 250k+ easy if your car doesn't get rust.

@jonsmith919 5 лет назад

Brand new Toyota Tacoma has rear drums

@markbro4427 5 лет назад

Jon Smith as good as Toyota's are,here in the UK their parking brakes are notoriously poor with the disc/caliper set up....my old Rav4 has drums,never had a problem or changed shoes in 9 years.

@MrClownWorld 4 года назад

What a joke huh lol

@Crosshair84 4 года назад

Yup, and with the parking brake on, the wheels might as well be welded to the frame. Full size rear drums make superb parking brakes.

@Ewan-y9r 3 месяца назад

Using the front brake of a bike at high speed, is asking for trouble. .

@JamesWilliams-ii7yv 4 года назад

If my memory is correct the Tucker was the first American car with disc brakes

@jasonzimmerman7379 5 лет назад

I actually am working on a 1974 maverick that also has drums all the way around, did you ever do that conversion?

@gasstationpeanuts1814 5 лет назад

Don't forget, another reason they used them a lot in the past is that parking/emergency brakes were cheaper and more reliable(for the time) with drums...

@jeffdalrymple1634 5 лет назад

Not to mention rear drum brakes can last up to 80k miles. At least from experiences.

@Bartonovich52 5 лет назад

So can rear discs. That’s because in normal driving they are rarely used

@josefsalon4449 5 лет назад

I never changed rear drum brakes and they lasted 250 000 miles!

@Roadstar1602 5 лет назад

The rear drums on my Ford Focus currently have 167,260 miles on them.

@billygensmer8207 5 лет назад

My 2010 Grand Marquis went over 80000 miles on the original pads and rotors. And they still had a bit of life in them, the only reason I had to changed them is the rotors got too rusty on the outside edge where there is no contact.

@jeffdalrymple1634 5 лет назад

@@billygensmer8207 I replaced the original shoes on my '62 Impala after 75k miles when the one of the wheel cylinders blew. The car was 54 years old at that time.

@chrishunt1939 5 лет назад

Slotted rotors have another benefit. I use slotted rotors because I live in an area with TONS of dusty dirt roads. I found that normal discs if you don't get rain after a while get dust packed between the rotors and pads travelling at higher speeds down dirt roads. Which I've had cause a lot of brake loss. Slots give a place for the dust to go and get blown out.

@DuttyDoogz 5 лет назад

I used to hate trying to get drum brakes off a car that was basically like welded on lol!

@TheEgg185 5 лет назад

Drum brakes are used because of the parking brake. Rear discs would still need a drum brake inside anyway for the parking brake so it's cheaper to let that also be the regular brake.

@terencejay8845 5 лет назад

My Mondeo has rear discs, and uses the pads for the parking brake. My BMW, though, has combined drum/disc as you state.

@payamyazdi7672 6 лет назад

brake shoes last A lot longer than brake pads

@Cammi-Cat-XIII 5 лет назад

I drive a semi truck, and to this day all trucks and trailers in the USA come with drum brakes. Some people convert to disk, but almost all of the 80,000 pound trucks still use them. And we have to be aware of brake fade, especially when coming down a mountain! But despite all that, proper use of the engine brake will keep that from happening.

@alexbedel6320 5 лет назад

Stab braking and all that jazz. Roll that coal brother. 10/4

@patcallahan1050 5 лет назад

Didn't the Kenworth T-600 or 660, in 2005 or so, come with disc as an option on the steer axle? Worked at a dealer and seen a couple new ones come in with them. Still used #30 cans and some type of wedge system vs s-cam? , but I left before I worked on one.

@roguesqadronairsoft 5 лет назад

I work on super chassises and other truck components as a part time gig, and honestly, drum brakes make sense in a semi truck situation, especially when the brakes are actuated by compressed air rather than fluid. And plus, they're quite simple to replace and get to when doing wheel seals.

@Ratkill9000 5 лет назад

I've heard going down a mountain, you hold your brake pedal for 3 seconds and let off then do it again a bit later.

@Cammi-Cat-XIII 3 года назад

@@patcallahan1050 I think so. I had a 2019 Cascadia with disc brakes on the steer axle, but everything else was still drums

@pablogutierrez1009 2 года назад

How often do you change drum brakes? Thank you.

@Queenskid19 5 лет назад

lol I keep hearing everyone talk about the 2020 tacos. They didnt box half of there frame and told everyone it was to give the truck more rear body flex for offroading! If you believe that then i guess you can go with they used drums in the back to keep out debris when offroading! Ya seeing a trend here?

@rickoffermann7156 5 лет назад

There is one advantage with drum brakes. They are self energizing. That is that the leading shoe of the drum brake tends to wedge into the drum when applied.

@thefuzzypickle8277 5 лет назад

But wouldn't that also depend on if the drum brake was a servo or non servo

@rickoffermann7156 5 лет назад

@@thefuzzypickle8277 whether the brake is servo assisted or not, it is an inherent trait of a drum brake.

@NordenEngineering 5 лет назад

Only on one side of the brake has this effect unless you have twin pistons or cams that are linked which is a then called a twin leading shoe system

@remytv 4 года назад

Not really a good thing. My old civic with rear drums would lock easily in the back in the snow before my front would. They were a pain to adjust. Hard to drive with confidence.

@qzxyst6946 5 лет назад

slotted disc brakes are only used for looks, they dont use it for racing

@lenb891 5 лет назад

do you need a taller tripod for your camera? or does it just need adjusted? lol... you're always hunching over lol

@jamescabarr2921 3 года назад

Quick somebody put some brakes on Scotty's arms 😆

@hiersdable 3 года назад

2017 Tacoma owner manual says that the rear drum brakes can ice up in winter if you use the parking brake at night. Water ice can form inside the drums and you'll be stuck until you can thaw them. Sure enough, some owners report their trucks are locked up in the morning after a freezing night.

@FR-ji3hw 5 лет назад

Drums on the rear last much longer against salt spray than discs do too.

@trumpjongun8831 5 лет назад

And drums are much better in winter conditions. Sometimes ice and snow locks the rear tires (disc brakes), but with a drum brakes never had this problem.

@chrism1966 5 лет назад

Trump Jong Un most cars have abs to prevent that from happening and most work great. You should also pump your brakes on ice just for good measure. Disc brakes are superior to drums plain and simple

@DylanL69 5 лет назад

@@trumpjongun8831 no they're not they slip to much cus they wet the discs locking up is means the brakes are actually working and abs doesn't lock up your brakes you must have like an 80's car or early 90's

@ty2010 4 года назад

@@DylanL69 If the ice in your rim doesn't rip the ABS wire out.

@DylanL69 4 года назад

@@ty2010 I highly doubt that ice would rip out the wire

@mcbridemotorsports 6 лет назад

Drums are such a pain at times to replace. Glad my car is disk all the way around

@chrisredfield3240 6 лет назад

Me too also just done a rear wheel bearing just bolted strait in got the whole hub for £26. If it was a drum i found the bearing was inside the drum and the rest of the bearing was stuck on the shaft what i nightmare

@ateam6486 6 лет назад

it takes a well set up mechanic only 30 minutes to do rear drum brakes. where rear disc brakes tend to get stuck slider pins and stop working on the rear, more dirt gets up into the rear, that's why drums was popular for rear brakes, they are more sealed from dirt getting in. and can last 10 years with moderate driving where as most people get 3 to 5 years out of disc brakes on the front. but they do work harder. and less brake pad material on disc brakes to do the stopping,

@mcbridemotorsports 6 лет назад

@@ateam6486 they get more wear and I like them for a trucks ( my drums take longer because they are usually locked up or rusted on one of the farm trucks) but not a huge fan for them on my sports cars I change my brakes out every 30-40 because I dont want them to get to low

@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge 6 лет назад

My previous car was drums all 'round and lucky me I never had to replace anything, worked like a charm for the whole 3 years I had it.

@toothpicdinosaur3777 5 лет назад

Just time consuming. What sucks is when the self adjuster stops working and its raining too often to do a manual adjustment.

@RealPaulyWalnuts 5 лет назад

When he mentioned the Maverick I smiled My first car was a ‘75 Maverick, disc front drum rear, non power, learned to plan my stops real quick 😂

@jamesburmeister9142 4 года назад

My first car was a maverick too!

@usadaytrader 5 лет назад

Enjoy the drum brakes on the 2020 Tacoma everyone! Lol

@STARDRIVE 5 лет назад

Drum brakes also make easier parking brakes. That´s why many cars with discs in the rear have a small drum in the center of the disc.

@RickTrajan 5 лет назад

Those integrated disc park brake are the worst, usually have problems when I see them. Drum and hat is pretty good but if you don't use the parking brake they tend to have problems but so do any parking brake systems - probably why then wanted electric park brake.

@markbro4427 5 лет назад

just bought a Suzuki Grand Vitara with that set up....seems to work ok...the drum part isn't really that small...shouldn't need changing too often as it's only a parking brake.

@MrGearjammer01 5 лет назад

Thanks for clearing this one up Scotty! I've been wondering this for a long time!

@q7wasp7 5 лет назад

9-21-2019 - - - "Twang !!! " Hey, where'd that spring go???

@RaghunandanReddyC 6 лет назад

I drove bike for a long time. I use rear break first then front break only if I want stop faster.

@SnorticusClavicus 3 года назад

My car has drum brakes and disc brakes also. drum in the back

@TheCoby9 3 месяца назад

You are so direct and honest on your vids, love the vids

@charliebeeman7599 6 лет назад

Why don't you have your gold u tube play button on the wall at your house¿1 million subscribers

@bcgreen7479 6 лет назад

I think he gave it away on one of those mechanic Mondays? He had a video on it? I just don't remember when?

@Asyrafcruz 6 лет назад

Because he put it on rim

@captaccordion 5 лет назад

The other reason for rear drum brakes is that it is easier and cheaper to have a handbrake.

@captaccordion 5 лет назад

Michael Wilson. That's precisely what I said. You have 2 sets of rear brakes so that you can have a handbrake. Obviously that's not as cheap to make as a single set.

@conifergreen2 5 лет назад

Drum brakes are a pain to work on. Discs are so much easier.

@j-psalmi8039 5 лет назад

Not really. A big hammer works wonders

@ethanbrotton3807 5 лет назад

on my 95 celica sx ive got disc brakes on both front and back, is that normal?

@jethro102677 5 лет назад

Definitely. I have an 03 Acura, an 08 Acura, and 16 Acura, and they all have all disc brakes now. If you do your own brake work (or are considering it) then you are good to go. Discs are super easy to change out compared to drums.