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Why Steam Has Banned All Adult Games In Germany

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@Caydiem 3 года назад

Jesus Christ, man. I'm over 30 at this point and you're telling me I'm not allowed to see or purchase any adult games? Are you serious?

@cin2110 3 года назад

Nah little child acording to your government you can’t

@qwesx 3 года назад

You can buy adult games perfectly fine, just not on Steam because they chose to be dumbasses and not implement an EU-wide system for age verification that simply requires a card reader for the end user.

@codshin 3 года назад

It's more of the psudo-logic: If adult content exists it's a potential threath to minors... So the less mature content the smaller the probability for children to be exposed to such content... Essentially babysitting all others for their sake. It was a little better a few years after ratings had become mandatory so that mature people could actually buy such games unaltered, if they were old enough, but that changed again after a few years because it wasn't consindered strict or fail safe enough resulting in this mess were almost all games with such content can be indexed once again and publjshers or destributors not wanting to take the risk.

@xt0t4ld34thx 3 года назад

@@qwesx why would you want the whole EU to suffer because of our dumb politicians?

@qwesx 3 года назад

@@xt0t4ld34thx The eID was voted for by the EU parliament. If anything, the majority of EU members of parliament think that having an option for identifying yourself on the Internet (without sending more data than required and especially without lengthy video verification) is a good idea.

@Rickbane01 3 года назад

I'm mostly sure that anything that traumatized any of us as a child came from real people not a adult game.

@thecompareablezombie 3 года назад

That is correct in many ways, Real people Traumatize kids. While media does it as a fear thing (you know with watching certain animated movies) (Or horror kids shows)(Family movies etc)

@elcalabozodelandroide2 3 года назад

*an

@mingcr9470 3 года назад

and most things that traumatized me as an adult either came from reports on pretty much any war where america was involved... or youtube kids. neither of which are banned

@Adeyum64 3 года назад

Back then, kids (including myself) were traumatized by the PS2 RSoD. Should we ban PS2 now?

@themurmeli88 3 года назад

Things that traumatize kids: Abusive and/or alcoholic PARENTS, bullies, sexual predators, friends or parents dying. Things that don't traumatize kids: F*cking video games.

@lizardmen3573 3 года назад

"Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem"

@CarbonPanther 3 года назад

Not that this quote isn't perfectly fitting or anything, but in this case it's also on Steam who aren't even trying to combat this situation, they just yoinked it off the store and went home like they were done with it.

@AnimationJ 3 года назад

Funny steam owner

@riseandshinemrfriman5925 3 года назад

It's a mixed bag of everything tbh. **edit:typo**

@Baalor204 3 года назад

@@CarbonPanther steam shouldn't do anything. Nor should any other platform. If Germany bans things thru censorship, then their citizens can miss out. Thankfully we live in a age of massive information sharing. The German people can enact the change to remove this needless censorship thru FOMO.

@arnerademacker 3 года назад

@@Baalor204 Missing the point. Most of those games are available in Germany. Just not on Steam, as Steam refuses to implement compliant age verification and instead opts to rally consumers by telling them that said content is "unavailable". It's both disgusting corporate behaviour and a bad way of implementing censorship.

@myotiswii 3 года назад

We still have cigarette ads in public. So much for protecting minors. A ton of kids start drinking alcohol at age 13. Bruh

@myotiswii 3 года назад

@calino Manche auch früher klar, aber die meisten so ab 13.

@failedsocialexperiment2382 3 года назад

お日本語をご存知ですか？

@vr3ve456 3 года назад

@@failedsocialexperiment2382 番号

@ObiWanCannabi 3 года назад

and the packet sizes of things is crazy, who needs a weeks supply of crisps in one bag, packets of 50 cigarettes, and yet they don't seem to have 2ltr bottles of soda, coz sugars bad lol in the UK a 3l bottle is pretty standard, and you dont get held hostage on the bottle with a 15c deposit. carrying bottles back to the store really helps the environment like the creation of those pfand machines doesnt offset all the carbon saved. its just another tax on the ignorant, those who can't be bothered. Germanys weird

@thorodinson292 3 года назад

und brokkoli

@haldyrs.telvanni4829 3 года назад

Hey here is an idea; how about parents do the actual parenting instead of having the government do that for them through regulations.

@kriskropd 3 года назад

Who parents the parents? that's rhetorical - my point is this leads to a cyclical chicken-and-egg debate about accountability and responsibility and is generally a fallacy argument not that I disagree with the sentiment though...

@haldyrs.telvanni4829 3 года назад

@@kriskropd Parents should have been parented by their own parents. Which is probably not the (no)answer you were looking for. I imagine the chicken egg cycle would be resolved naturally through the standard legal system ie if a child breaks their neighbors window, the parent will pay the price for it, which will encourage the parent to parent so that it doesn't happen again. The point I was trying to make is that the government should focus their resources on making proper laws. From my example above, "breaking other people's windows is illegal" instead of "rocks are banned and it is illegal for children to carry them".

@denkerbosu3551 3 года назад

@@kriskropd this is a stupid argument. Parents are adults. Adults are held accountable the moment they are given a right to vote in any democratic country. How else would you let them hold such power without the responsability? The idea of them expecting their democratic government to be responsible for them is laughable at best.

@kriskropd 3 года назад

@@denkerbosu3551 I'm not talking about being legally held accountable, I'm talking about the characteristic trait of accountability. The thing that enables a child to be mature about reality so it doesn't have to be censored for them all the time (and more directly, when talking about fantasy and fiction). Traditionally, that was the responsibility of the parent to instill in their children.

@xt0t4ld34thx 3 года назад

I know right? Most parents who think that way never touched a video game.

@songohan3321 3 года назад

It seems like this stupid stereotype that only kids play games is a worldwide thing which is stupid.

@RoastCDuck 3 года назад

There are more children than ever in the human history so... If they weren't playing video games with rates above their ages by decades the world would be a better place. Stupid internet and video game communities with their stupid fetishes and weirdoness they make gamers like us look retarded.

@songohan3321 3 года назад

@@RoastCDuck Yeah don't worry about them. Many of these people that talk about gamers just want to validate themselves as being superior because they like doing what everyone else does and like to make fun of people who are different than them. We are all entertained by something whether it is gaming or it is watching TV for four hours straight. I am into stuff myself and through modding games I was able to understand the different mechanics that go into game making and in turn, it helped me to understand the different type of computer hardware that is out there. Gaming helped me with hand-eye coordination and help me keep my reflects well into adulthood.

@RoastCDuck 3 года назад

@@songohan3321 The reason why I have brain power, know about science and technology, speak english but most important, a hobby.

@Mi_Fa_Volare 3 года назад

@@RoastCDuck That's why those ratings are law in Germany. So I absolutely don't understand their need to lay hands on Steam, which they have no rights on.

@RoastCDuck 3 года назад

@@Mi_Fa_Volare I guess, Germany is the kind of european country that obviously with no way to prove the opposite, is high quality and have high standards, perhaps they tried to convince Steam to apply the laws. I already forgot if on their country only or world wide.

@treeble2793 3 года назад

In Germany you now need to send a picture of your ID to RU-vid to confirm that you are above 18 years and can watch age restricted content, and I don't need to mention how ridiculous that is given RU-vid's random age restrictions

@nachtelfirokese88 3 года назад

O.o never happen to me!

@LRM12o8 3 года назад

A funny thing that happened to me recently: I wanted to cue a song in a discord music bot (Steel Panther - Death to all but Metal), but when I opened the music video on RU-vid, I was prompted for age verification and couldn't watch the video. For a second there I almost considered reverting to the censored version of the song for the intent, but you can't listen to censored hair metal, no way! So I decided to just try it and cued the real version in the music bot and lo and behold: The music bot played it no problem! 😂

@FBlockLeymann 3 года назад

But weirdly not on the mobile website. Makes no sense

@pifopifo1000 3 года назад

Yep, my account needs age verification, even though all of my friends dont need one, except mine. Now I cant even watch a trailer for a game that is 18+. There was even a harmless Nintendo game trailer I couldnt watch. How pathetic, Im freaking 20 years old and used this account for years, how does RU-vid think im a kid?!?

@HappyBeezerStudios 3 года назад

The weird thing, i had videos that wanted verification in Chrome on Windows, but play perfectly fine without in the app on Android. And yes, I'm logged into both with the same account.

@sinisternightmare 3 года назад

Why are politicians only ever showing determination, when it comes to making things shittier, whereas they're just twiddling their thumbs, when it comes to solving any ACTUAL problems?

@catburglar82 3 года назад

That's because the government sucks at literally everything and they know it. But it keeps them fat and rich to pretend. The only thing worse than the corrupt, incompetent government itself are the absolute brain dead morons who trust the government.

@TotallyNotAFox 3 года назад

Because solving the problems THEY CAUSED would mean they have to take responsibility for their actions

@Phoenix-qv9hg 3 года назад

It is easy to hate on these things, because all the important voters like hate against adult stuff, where as the small minority in favor of free adult gaming typically doesnt vote and even if they do, they are a minority. So these kinds of things are low hanging fruit. Tbf, this one is mainly on valve thou, not germany.

@lHawkyl 3 года назад

Thats not a problem from politicans. Steam just has no intrest in youth protection

@TotallyNotAFox 3 года назад

@@lHawkyl It's not the problem of Steam. The prudes in the german government have too much interest in demonizing fun.

@lawrencewilson3862 3 года назад

I find censorship like this a waste of time, a determined person has half a dozen ways to bypass this. smh

@redhood7778 3 года назад

No. There's games that should no be sold. I can't type them, but you can look them up

@dracoerrarus4834 3 года назад

Maybe for adults, but a determined child should *not* be able to bypass censorship. Steam (and almost the entire Internet, btw) sucks at verifying age, which is exactly why this happened.

@Ussurin 3 года назад

@@dracoerrarus4834 if they won't buy, they will just pirate.

@emizel4987 3 года назад

@@dracoerrarus4834 No it happens because parents in this day and age are lazy and dont care what their child is doing. Steam has a feature to restrict the accounts of the childrens but parents dont care.

@Jim-vg3vb 3 года назад

Censorship causes more pirating. Pretty simple really

@GIRru11 3 года назад

I will never understand the point of censorship. No matter how hard they try to censor anything, people will find ways to access it anyways. Its really just a waste of time on everyone's side

@TallulahSoie 3 года назад

Control

@AA-lz4wq 3 года назад

To make money: I have the power to decide what people can buy and sell? Well... I better make a profit out of it. I'll create some pointless, useless regulations and force companies to make deals with me if they want me to allow them to sell their products, now companies will respond to my ideological/monetary interests and not the consumers' increasing my power on both ends. Trust me pal, governments know that censorship and other regulations are pointless. It's all about the money.

@xt0t4ld34thx 3 года назад

@@AA-lz4wq Its all about the money! Listen to the word! It was never about our youth!

@jlev1028 3 года назад

Just like I never understand why authoritarian regimes assault peaceful protests and imprison and/or assassinate writers and newspaper editors. All you're doing is encouraging more people to stand up because you've pissed them off by overreacting.

@xt0t4ld34thx 3 года назад

@@jlev1028 #FreedomForAssange #jesuisjulianassange

@Tihowiel 3 года назад

Ah yes, Germany: "Hast du keine Lösung, dann kehr es unter den Teppich"

@totalermist 3 года назад

That's not the German government, though - that's Valve being too cheap to follow the rules and content creators not getting their shit rated. You have this all backwards.

@totalermist 3 года назад

@@DieserAIiasIstSchonVergeben Nah, they're unwilling to invest any kind of effort (read: money), that's all. They're a company primarily interested in profit, they're not the good guys in this.

@aexcottie7055 3 года назад

@@totalermist I don't think valve is the bad guy here either. In my opinion the efforts of the government is almost completely a waste, doesn't really solve anything and just add more inconveniences for everyone affected by their restrictions. Valve doesn't seem to care all too much about their profit, since they don't show to care about every cent they could make from selling their game in Germany. The efforts they would have to make to follow the rules are not like... too much of an effort, it would just flaw their games I guess. But no, really, they would probably have to change the enemie's appearance, censor blood, change the dialogue a bit and make some weapons work differently, its something a small group can handle in less than a week. But what do I know, I don't speak for valve, but I dont get how you would think valve is at fault when it's their decision what they do with their own product, they are not obliged to make changes because it doesn't fit the restrictions of one country. Also it's not a violation for adults to be playing their games.

@totalermist 3 года назад

@@aexcottie7055 You throw together so many misconceptions and just plain wrong things, it's hard to know where to start. Let's start with the obvious first: Valve isn't a charity. They simply weigh the costs of implementing proper age verification versus the profits from legit (e.g. actual adults who're willing to prove their age) customers. If the estimated profits don't justify the effort, they simply stop selling the titles (e.g. the cheap way out), it's as simple as that. Now for the censorship part. I was a professional game developer in the late 90s and early 2000s and can tell you *for a fact* what the actual requirements were back then. Even back then, Valve didn't chance Hal Life because they had to - that's actually complete bullshit and uncensored versions were for sale in Germany as well. The reason for the chances was very simple and obvious: without blood and gore the game got a USK 16 rating and could be sold openly and displayed on the shelf. Simple as that. They got more sales from the USK 16 version because the uncut version couldn't be advertised freely. That's not censorship either, that's just an economic decision. And while yes, the reasoning and decisions may seem antiquated (and they were at the time and partially still are), it baffles me how much this seems to enrage kids when at the same time no one complains about hard core pornography getting the same treatment. It just goes to show were the priorities lie for some people - nudity (which is perfectly normal) and sex "boohoo! let's ban that real quick! think of the children!" - violence and gore "whoa! censorship! you're basically the 3rd reich once again!" FFS...

@Xioxio000 3 года назад

@@totalermist Ah, yes. Providing monetary penalties for certain types of content, but not others, isn't censorship, it's just an "economic decision". I'm surprised that you noticed how it's so expensive to follow German age verification laws that it isn't profitable for Valve to even try to sell adult games, yet you still don't see the censorship problem.

@snackxy 3 года назад

i am a 21 Year old German and i hate the fact that i am not 100% allowed to decide what i want to see or play

@clefsan 3 года назад

oh, you are absolutely allowed to do that. however the provider of mature materials must make sure that no one who is underage can get access to the same stuff, thus age verification methods. basically, the law is NOT saying you can't play/watch what you want. the law is aimed towards who is selling the material and telling them they can only sell it after they make sure the buyer is of age via a reliable verification method. that this makes it more difficult for you is merely collateral damage - still very annoying though :-)

@Marie-po8pd 3 года назад

@@clefsan Yeah but why should we """""protect""""" 13,5 Million out of 83Million citizens with a restriction that will indirectly affect me too? And even if i was underage. Through some loopholes i can get the content nevertheless. That's just a stupid restriction. I bought my first adult game (Hunie pop) when i was 14 or something, just to have some nightly fun. Underage people will always find a loophole to access stuff that parents can't monitor. I.e PH(You know what i mean) will only give you access to their site, if you show them your ID. You just need an Mature Friend/Brother/Sister or even just a chill Parent, who will share their account with you. And as long as you have the same ISP they can do nothing, because they can't tell if you are actually account sharing. The government shouldn't actively restrict content, which WILL also affect Mature people. They should explain what can happen if you consume this stuff if your brain isn't developed enough. Also you aren't even allowed to make purchases over Paysafecard (Which is the only way you can pay if you are underage. But the seller is still committing a criminal offense), because they are 18+. It's a huge problem, but why should we suffer because the Government doesn't get their stuff together and start developing proper laws. They are fighting for the prohibition of Weed for over well over 70years now, but can't have a proper law on how to control access to mature games without indirectly compromising mature people. That's just not fair.

@clefsan 3 года назад

@@Marie-po8pd I didn't say that I agreed with how things are. I merely explained that the law was not aimed at the buyer but at the seller of the product - meaning that "inconveniencing" adults is a side effect and not the goal of the law. if/when steam puts a legally accepted age verification method in place, us adults can buy stuff from them as much as we want, because it is totally legal for us to buy mature stuff. and yes, those verification methods can be worked around if you are not an adult - which just shows that our venerable law makers have not quite caught up with reality yet. also, whoever said laws had to be fair? ;-)

@obsidiandrache2097 3 года назад

Ohh no problem, for that we have a group of people that are mostly around 60 years old that know whats best for you

@mflax4331 3 года назад

Consider a VPN like surfshark. When you are in you can claim to join the web in Boston. Some other free VPN are available as well. It might be sufficient. Most limits are based on geolocation via DNS. A VPN easily solves THAT problem.

@axeoseilez3207 3 года назад

That sucks honestly. I have a friend from germany and i shared this video with her and she didnt realize it until she saw this. Safe to say shes upset. And she made a good point. Regardless of this ban kids will just resort to more illegal methods for their content now like piracy.

@MasakanSolaris 3 года назад

I think this has more to do with the German government

@nobodyinparticular9640 3 года назад

@@MasakanSolaris how much you wanna bet those old farts at the gov force people to censor and ban stuff, but they prolly got illegal stuff like cp they "please" themselves with?

@MasakanSolaris 3 года назад

@@nobodyinparticular9640 all my life savings because that would be an easy bet to win. Also wait...are you THAT nobody in particular?

@nobodyinparticular9640 3 года назад

@@MasakanSolaris uh, well... I've seen other people here with similar usernames to mine, so, dunno if I'm the one you're thinking of, lol? I do write a lot of comments on all sorts of vids tho, so maybe you could've seen mines somewhere, dunno.

@MasakanSolaris 3 года назад

@@nobodyinparticular9640 oh um...nvm then....awkward...

@mattmemes207 3 года назад

Now this is why you get VPNs

@The_One_Eyed_Rouge 3 года назад

Too bad Valve decided to be asshats about using vpns on steam now...

@elecrom_9757 3 года назад

Actually you theoretically could also change your country in steam but apparently you can get banned for picking one you are not currently in so....

@barock502 3 года назад

Nowdays you need need a VPN + a Credit Card(from the Country you want to change it to) to be able to change your region. Big uff.

@BuetifullPersun 3 года назад

Vpn and just pirate

@Ffom177 3 года назад

@@The_One_Eyed_Rouge Valve did that because hey, people like my dad used VPN's to buy games at a lower price with a different currency

@zumogerstubchen2340 3 года назад

Back to the times my german friends send me money so I can gift them their wanted games.

@wildwurfler2782 3 года назад

Ah someone who remembers the good old times. Most of the times it is easier for us Germans just to ask our fellow gamers then maintain a fake VPN steam account for gifting purposes....

@KRAFTWERK2K6 3 года назад

All fine as long as it's not geo-locked. Another form of digital cancer in todays corporate internet.... Region Codes for the INTERwebs....

@C_555 3 года назад

sadly not possible anymore

@mflax4331 3 года назад

Sometimes VPN is sufficient.

@KRAFTWERK2K6 3 года назад

@@wildwurfler2782 Yup. A friend of mine did that to be able to get that Dead or Alive Xtreme Venus Vacation. Because yeah, that game is blocked in germany too. Always been since release.

@Wheeljack2k 3 года назад

Government: Hey Valve, make sure no one below the age of 18 can buy porn on Steam. Valve: We politely ask for the users birthdate to access these titles. Government: That's not enough. Valve: Okay, we'll just block everyone in your country.

@dogwithsunglasses4051 3 года назад

Finally someone gets it right XD

@OrbinHD 3 года назад

I understand it the same way. It's valve who blocks the games, they are not banned.

@Robin93k 3 года назад

@@OrbinHD The games itself are not even blocked, it's literally only the shop page for these games that can't be accessed via a German IP.

@Phoenix-qv9hg 3 года назад

@@Robin93k YOu can even let a buddy from another country gift it to you.

@klop4228 3 года назад

@@Phoenix-qv9hg I'd assume a VPN would fix the problem too

@AdrianCeroni 3 года назад

I think the age verification is ridiculous. Video face checks? How horrible. Some people are embarrassed to go to adult shops so shopping online provides some anonymity.

@Chrinik 3 года назад

Steam could have easily implemented SOMETHING but chose to do nothing instead and decided to not sell to a market. You can use more anonymous ways to verify age.

@Scion141 3 года назад

@@Chrinik That will never happen. What happens when another country comes up with another ridiculous age verification system and wants Steam to implement it? When the video listed the new system that Germany wants implemented, I knew it was never going to happen.

@Chrinik 3 года назад

@@Scion141 Well then Steam can't sell their porn games here and that's that. Not my problem, it's Steams deal, I have other ways of getting porn.

@Scion141 3 года назад

@@Chrinik For Steam to not bother, they must have considered the cost against blocking some of those games. I guess the cost of blocking them was the better option

@Chrinik 3 года назад

@@Scion141 Steam generally doesn't bother unless pushed to do anything, especially if it might cost them money. I'd guess the games don't sell significantly enough compared to the rest of their more traditional games. Not bothering is definately a move they can do if they don't think it's worth it. No problem there. It is the most disappointing move, but legit.

@gameygames135 3 года назад

Me with a VPN and a fake date of birth: "I go to America"

@AnimationJ 3 года назад

Steam games after turning 18: adios

@zviedelman9015 3 года назад

Hope you don’t get banned...

@rizmo7003 3 года назад

Meanwhile on the Hub: Are you 18 or older? Yes.

@LeoTheDarkAngel 3 года назад

Joke's on you because in Germany you have to verify your age via videocall if you want an account on a porn website. (I guess there might be other options, too, but I don't know about them)

@mikomatsumoto5126 3 года назад

@@LeoTheDarkAngel Where'd you get that from?

@Dysputant 3 года назад

Hub died anyway. It is small porn site now with average content. I had to find most of my fav vids on other sites. Like entire jav branch on PH and Sjm died off

@klop4228 3 года назад

@@LeoTheDarkAngel I don't think you need an account to watch videos

@xMadizZ 3 года назад

@@LeoTheDarkAngel maybe on german pornsites not on PH you can just register an account without any verification process.

@RandomRandy 3 года назад

The government is literally becoming the parent

@mickiejade6709 3 года назад

Always has been.

@riseandshinemrfriman5925 3 года назад

"Nanny state"

@Guckkasten85 3 года назад

Well in Germany we call chancelor Merkel "mutti" which means mummy for the state/gouvernment we say "Vater Staat" "the state/gouvernment is a father" so maybe thats why the gouvernment handles adults like kids

@mickiejade6709 3 года назад

@@Guckkasten85 Yeah, some do. Sarcastically aswell, but there's always been words like "Vaterland." or "Muttersprache." so I don't think we caused this by referring to Merkel as Mutti. She's just acting like a stern mom not only to us but the whole European Union.

@TheGreenTaco999 3 года назад

Child Protective Services exist for a reason

@DMGaina 3 года назад

Oh well, piracy it is for german players now.

@UnicornStorm 3 года назад

as it was in the early 2000s... slowed down for a while..... they never learn

@MatsYoo 3 года назад

not for multiplayer games tho

@tvdootman27 3 года назад

@@MatsYoo Multiplayer games aren't that great anymore so not a big loss.

@MatsYoo 3 года назад

@@tvdootman27 ah ok mr game tester thanks for your opinion!

@tvdootman27 3 года назад

@@MatsYoo Damn... Chill with the passive aggressive attitude lad.

@alex940127 3 года назад

"I think I will buy this for research purposes, hehe" *While Buying: "We are now redirecting you to a video call for age verification please stand by" "dafuq"

@UnicornStorm 3 года назад

yeah.... seems to me a bit of an overreach when it comes to data protection. Wasn't it Blizzard who tried to get rid of nicknames on the internet (like 15 years ago or so), which would have killed peoples willingness to inform themselves about more embarrassing topics. Don't want to ask about your possible genital fungal infection when everyone can identify you as Dr. med. Richard Johnson.

@BQD_Central 3 года назад

No one uses this garbage. I purchase my "reaserch material" at shops like Denpasoft. They do not care about German regulations, as they are not a German company.

@MrVentches 3 года назад

age verification would most likely only be done once, and for your account, not an individual purchase.

@mobiusraptor7 3 года назад

You got some people who are in their 20s yet look like a teen.

@kruemel534 3 года назад

@@MrVentches one time is still one time to often

@paracosm-cc 3 года назад

Fun Fact: The average age of members of the parliament in germany is *60*

@yumri4 3 года назад

At least they are younger than the USA's congress.

@yumri4 3 года назад

@Meme Maker in the USA i t depends on the color of your skin as we are still racist. The PR they try to use is "racism doesn't exist anymore" to which maybe but then go into how laws are enforced, how business HR works, how people think about you, etc. The USA has a major racism problem. I don't mean the people who say " you are black there for i don't like you" i mean the people who do " you are black thus i will call the cops as you did something wrong even though i don't know what". The example for the white side is they allowed them to storm the capital then just go home afterwards. You have others but that is the example the entire country should know of.

@ArielVHarloff 3 года назад

I feel like you lowballed that XD

@emilioschmidt2106 3 года назад

6:41 ah yes, because children can't possibly be awake at night

@LRM12o8 3 года назад

Or change the system time, lmao. (which is literally what I did on my Nintendo DS when I was twelve years old to trigger some timed events in games)

@emilioschmidt2106 3 года назад

@@LRM12o8 well the protection would probably ask the steam server what time it is in Germany but still. A dumb idea

@xtrem5428 3 года назад

tl;dr: German laws are weird when it comes to adult games.

@UnicornStorm 3 года назад

even more concise: german laws are weird

@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 3 года назад

@@UnicornStorm Fixed that: "germans are weird"

@monsi9626 3 года назад

@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 Nah man, not much different from other Europeans.

@latt.qcd9221 3 года назад

Censorship in regards to adult games, period, is weird, considering there are zero studies to show that they "harm" younger players, let alone that it's the government's job to parent children instead of their own parents.

@annoyingcommentator1582 3 года назад

Despite getting a bit of democracy bombed into it in the 40's, the culture here is still very authoritarian and paternalistic. You have freedom until the government decides that you don't. There a very few people who have ever considered why that could be a problem. At least I have never met any. It has actually very little to do with video games.

@n.o.v.a 3 года назад

funny that you still can buy "Adult Games" if you a willing to jump through a few hoops. atm you can still buy any game that is on your wishlist. you can't access the store page so you need help from sites like "steamdb" go to "steamdb" > login using steam > search for the game an add it to your wishlist > go to your wishlist page in steam > klick on "add to cart" > go to your cart and pay like any other game. in the cart it says that the game is "excluded by preferences" so the new block is just messing with your shop setting in steam but you can buy it anyway. btw. you can tell by the error you a getting if this can work. if you get "This item is currently unavailable in your region" the game is listet and you can't add it to the wishlist if you get "This content is not allowed in your country." you can add and buy it. this system is flatout stupit why for example is is "HuniePop 2" blockt but "HuniePop 1" totaly fine ? ~.~ best solution if you a in germany: find a friend in austria and they gift you any game that is not on the "B list"

@juice6521 3 года назад

A very convenient loophole *accidentally* left by Steam 👏

@cykablyat2969 3 года назад

Huniepop 1 was released before Steam started to allow adult only games, so it had to be censored in order to be sold on steam. Huniepop 2 however, is not censored, so it would naturally be blocked.

@juice6521 3 года назад

@@cykablyat2969 It was a beautiful day when Steam opened the ancient gates that held back the unstoppable scourge of smut and let it wash over the masses.

@cykablyat2969 3 года назад

@@juice6521 You act like it's the end of the world when seeing smut is an opt-in feature on steam.

@juice6521 3 года назад

@@cykablyat2969 I wasn't being sarcastic

@florider_hd 3 года назад

Yeah as a German I'm pissed completely... Especially because "free" games cost 0,25 cents on the ps store because of the German law. It says that games for the age of 18 and over can't be free.

@LeoTheDarkAngel 3 года назад

Lol, didn't know that but seems fitting. Interesting.

@dysastermaster 3 года назад

Germany: Dont advertise violence and sex in videogames because it can harm children Also germany: Hey kid, want some beer?

@BadDayLp 3 года назад

Or cigarettes? Or one of those fancy Non-Cigarettes cigarettes? We need to protect the children, but not from a "Kulturgut" ;)

@dysastermaster 3 года назад

@@BadDayLp true but these are not as much advertised as alcohol

@vgames9207 3 года назад

@@dysastermaster ones again people would rather deal with fake problems instead of real ones like plastic surgery or cp or drugs.

@dysastermaster 3 года назад

@@vgames9207 whats the problem with plastic surgery? I

@opafritzsche Год назад

@@dysastermaster you also wrong. *again** it was a Game called Rape day, what was the Reason. '*and why ?* because a "Feminist" is seen this, and "mimimi" Cry around. Thank all to the Feminits, they are the Source of all this shit. not any other game. and not steam. steam just descide, to quit all Adult, beforer the next Feminist is coming. and they was right. Think about the "mimimi" of Genders, because of Hogwards. *IT S TRULY A SHAME!*

@Selvares 3 года назад

steam: bans adult content literally the rest of the internet: bonjour

@makotoyuki345 3 года назад

Stay strong our German brothers and sisters Stay strong

@3n3rgy90 3 года назад

I don't play Japanese anime games anyway, so I don't really care.

@emizel4987 3 года назад

I mean it is not really hard to bypass that you can still buy the Game if you or a friend has the Game on Wishlist or you can ask a friend outside of Germany to gift it to you. It is only a inconvenience but nothing more.

@thecompareablezombie 3 года назад

@@emizel4987 Correct, one issue this might lead to all western countries to follow their lead.

@Crusade1982 3 года назад

@@emizel4987 Sadly, about a week ago Steam removed to option to use the Wishlist to get blocked games.

@xt0t4ld34thx 3 года назад

Thanks for the strength brother! Keep fighting against this hilarious discrimination of sexualization. We need all of your voices! Spread the message out to the world wide web, spread the message out to steam forums, spread the message over reddit. Lets make a change, make it happen! No more Censorship, we want democracy, we want freedom!

@wh1zert951 3 года назад

“Kommission für Jugendmedienschutz” Must be the Most German Word I’ve ever heard even as a German

@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 2 года назад

The time gate is especially weird, since if kids want to consume something they will find a way. In German public TV for example adult only content (18+) can only be shown uncut after 11PM, which also applies to pornography. However, nudity, including full frontal was allowed over the entire day, as long as it wasn't pornographic, i.e. real sex acts ("soft porn" movies with nude simulated sex were totally fine, Germany has a history of stupid sex comedies). As a kid I just secretly watched TV at night.

@fazemand 3 года назад

I am German and knew almost nothing about the details here, I basically just know about the birthday self input and that's that

@BQD_Central 3 года назад

Because no one uses the crap the KJM demands. It's pretty simple.

@lbmember4637 3 года назад

No one notices because blocked games don’t even show up anywhere for Germans

@lorrdy7640 3 года назад

I don't care about this kind of adult games

@towakin7718 3 года назад

@@lorrdy7640 Don't be surprised to stand alone when they take something you care about next.

@xMadizZ 3 года назад

@@towakin7718 well you can still buy (gift) keys of banned games. Or use VPN. problem solved. its not possible to ban something that easy on the internet. people always find a way around.

@dark_oz1974 3 года назад

Germany: Bans AO Games Torrents: Fine I'll Do It Myself Edit:Thanks For The 1K Likes

@Puxi 3 года назад

You can't do this no more because you have to make a purchase in your new country.

@MaoRatto 3 года назад

Its fucking bullshit

@nobodyinparticular9640 3 года назад

*laughs in piracy*

@user-pp4uk8gt4o 3 года назад

@@nobodyinparticular9640 In torrents we trust lol.

@AscendantStoic 3 года назад

*VPNs enter the chat*

@nqh4393 3 года назад

When it comes to digitalisation and digital-related modernisation, Germany must rank in the botton tier.

@Julian-vr1ed 3 года назад

Since 2017 every new german ID supports the european "eID" standard. With eID one can prove any subset of data fields on your ID to anyone on the internet. In this example Valve would send you a request that contains something along the lines of "is age greater then 18?". You would then get your ID, scan it with a smartphone that supports NFC (if your smartphone doesn't support NFC you can buy a separate scanner for 10-15€), allow Valve to check if your age is greater than 18, enter your eID PIN and you have easily verified that you are an adult without giving up any anonymity! Afaik eID is equivalent to showing your real ID by EU law. Valve would just have to implement the eID check and be done with it.

@flexarnn 3 года назад

whats the difference between 18+ aged games and adult only games? Last time I checked you're an adult when you're 18

@crestofhonor2349 3 года назад

Yeah that’s one thing I’ve been wondering. Maybes it should be changed to 16 or 17 like how M is 17+ in America

@cacomeat7385 3 года назад

"adult" is a more polite way of saying porn, "18+" more or less just refers to mature rated games

@Dressierter_Seeloewe 3 года назад

@@crestofhonor2349 the problem is not the +18 user. the problem is that user under 18 can easy access such content on steam and thats illegal in germany. steam is just to lazy to do extra work for these ridicolous german laws.

@Dandomque 3 года назад

The German youth protection assumes some content is more problematic than others and thus has a special category for things they consider (potentially) 'harmful' to minors: Stuff placed on the index or legally defined pornography. It's somewhat like the difference between the ESRB M and AO rating, I think: By itself it's just 17 vs 18 years old, and let's not kid ourselves, that one year doesn't make too much of a difference by itself either. (I'm the Rigo guy mentioned in the video.)

@weberman173 3 года назад

difference is how it can or can not be advertised basicly 18+ games can be relativly normaly advertised, an AO game cant be advertised on most places, if at alll

@CrazyBlueTv 3 года назад

Thats why I changed my Steam Store location to a different Country they blocked so many games in Germany now its really horrible but it is more to blame on the German government.

@gunblenotrstf 3 года назад

Steam TOS can permanently ban you for purchasing content restricted in your country if you have changed store location. I would do it myself too if content I wanted to access was region restricted but just wanted to make you aware just in case 😉

@alicesteel 3 года назад

No, it's entirely on Steam. Steam is completely able to just say "Fuck all of you countries, we're a US company and will abide by US laws. Our contracts are all exclusively under US jurisdiction even with customers that live elsewhere. Your laws are irrelevant to us."

@MasakanSolaris 3 года назад

@@alicesteel unfortunately its not that simple. We've seen time and again governments trying to force corporations to play by their rules. They could do what you said but run the risk of getting fined/sued/steam getting banned from Germany altogether. Say what you want about valve all things considered I think not only did they make the right call, they should do the same to Australia too

@AA-lz4wq 3 года назад

@@alicesteel This is not how it works, I can't create a weed distribution page and say, "well f*** your countries' laws, I'll ship some weed wherever I want, I'll only abide by my country's law!!". No, the blame is entirely on the German government.

@valenesco45 3 года назад

@@gunblenotrstf bs they won't ban a source of money

@penedrador 3 года назад

And the fun thing for a german steam user: you can get banned for downloading these games via vpn

@drunkcapybara7004 3 года назад

Wait really? I bought one and even posted a screenshot in the community hub saying "this game was unavailable in Germany but regionlock won't stop me from making smug anime girls" been a while and nothing happened, but how fucked am i really?

@penedrador 3 года назад

@@drunkcapybara7004 i thought about it, too... But the forums did not give a clear answer: there are people like you who are ok doing it and others say that steam could terminate accounts for it Either way, that suuuuucks!

@Kralledd 3 года назад

Steam by their tos is allowed to ban your account, and if you are abusing it to get games the cheapest way possibel by abusing local conversions in low income countries, you likely will be. For everything else it can work fine, but you always gotta consider the possibility of you losing everything because youre, after all, violating TOS.

@penedrador 3 года назад

@@Kralledd yeah and that is crap... Lets just say a friend of mine wants these in germany banned porn games. He has like 3 options: risking his steam account by using a vpn or not having these games at all or pirate them elsewhere

@silberwolf0794 3 года назад

I cant watch any 18+ YT Videos without a photo of my ID

@maryooloLP 3 года назад

I bypass that with a VPN

@GenesHand 3 года назад

use invidious

@ariderlol110 3 года назад

Just create a new account and watch the video it works for me

@Labyrinth6000 3 года назад

So Germany, don’t you just love when government steps in and decides what’s best for you with censorship?

@wursthans852 3 года назад

Yes i do and (think of the children argument here). A goverment censoring has never led to anything bad in the past after all .... roight m8 ;)

@daskampffredchen9242 3 года назад

Somehow this feels... familiar

@d.winderlich 3 года назад

Can you even call this censorship? The goverment didnt forbid to sell these games. As an adult you are free to buy these. Its just that the companies (here steam) didnt check the age, so are not allowed to sell. In they would check it correctly, there would be no problem. You are not allowed to sell guns to chhildren, would you also call that censorship?

@thecompareablezombie 3 года назад

@@enrique7934 IKR

@thecompareablezombie 3 года назад

@@d.winderlich Be it Steam or A Government, Censorship is never a good idea. THis situation, is them being the taste police/paranoid of a Government. Or another reason. I did hear in the video, it was due to the government. Middle part of the comment might be the correct answer. Might This is Steam lying to the german customers, who buy AO games.

@ZylethXenocian 3 года назад

Can we take a moment to appreciate that German for "oops" is "ups"?

@sothe0539 3 года назад

As a german I have honestly never thought about this ^^'...

@shibba2517 3 года назад

Not only in German, in Polish also

@MatsYoo 3 года назад

ups is also a postal service lmao

@ZylethXenocian 3 года назад

@@MatsYoo Referencing the postal service is also a Postal reference. I have no regrets.

@derfzgrld 3 года назад

Its pronounced exactly the same way. Thats why.

@realdoctortenenbaum 2 года назад

Germany should finally abolish those ridiculous laws and follow it's european neighbours instead of adapting some over the top age verification.

@HarmonikaGuy 4 месяца назад

Three years later and Germany is still restricting adult only games, how ironic

@KingDeDeDe777 3 года назад

- Be Me - Be German - Be 25 - Wait for Subverse for more than 3 years - Be disappointed that you never get to experience this porny goodness :(

@PianoMatn 3 года назад

Use VPN to bypass it just like me ;D

@jasperzanovich2504 3 года назад

Well, they promised to sell it on their own website eventually, so there is still hope.

@My_Old_YT_Account 3 года назад

Just switch your store region to France or Austria using some McDonald's as your billing address, it should work fine

@esharpeh 3 года назад

@@My_Old_YT_Account nope steam requires you to actually pay with the local currency. if you start a new account you can technically use a foreign steam card bought at a keyshop but an existing account can only be region changed with a foreign bank account or credit card that runs with your name.

@My_Old_YT_Account 3 года назад

@@esharpeh Germany and France have the same currency (euros) and I'm pretty sure the bank and credit cards for them are interchangeable too if I remember correctly

@Veristelle- 3 года назад

It would be far smarter to keep an eye on what games as they're approved. Now underage teens/kids will just pirate or use other means to get them, giving them access to some messed up stuff. When will people realize generalized censorship is a terrible idea?

@daskampffredchen9242 3 года назад

Prohibition never worked

@AA-lz4wq 3 года назад

It's not a terrible idea, governments make a bunch of money out of it. It's a fantastic idea (for governments). Remember that this was never about the children, it's about control.

@thecompareablezombie 3 года назад

@@daskampffredchen9242 Never has never will

@aoelp 3 года назад

In Germany we say: "This is what happens when the Club of German entrepreneurs (CDU) tries to regulate the Neuland [what Merkel called the internet] even though they don't understand it.". 😬

@StabYourBrain 3 года назад

A wise man once said: "The Internet Is For Porn" Well.. not anymore as it seems.

@HippieInHeart 3 года назад

at least not german internet. seems like governments have 'finally' caught up with technology enough to become a serious threat to the free internet.

@mflax4331 3 года назад

@@HippieInHeart In Germany as well. You could get images (very bad quality from German sources in the early 70s already). You remember Beate Uhse. @all That stuff really pushed the development of the internet. Some formats like JPG, GIF, MP4 are linked to that (although that was never the official reason). MP3 was for music. Some history is murky and surprising! It amuses me all the time. BTW I'm a programmer since the late 70s and I was always interested on WHY things were done that way.

@DragonAceSg7 3 года назад

We were just discussing this in a Discord I'm part of, this does shed a lot more light on things, thank you.

@PurpleXCompleX 3 года назад

Its pretty bad, especially for smaller H-Game developers who likely cant get their games to the USK rating boards. Whats very amusing though is how all these measures dont stop you from visiting a blocked games Community Hub to see all the screenshots and videos taken from the game.

@reD_Bo0n 3 года назад

As far as I know, only games which are sold on physical media can be rated by the USK. For digital only games on: Google Play Store, Nintendo eShop, Microsoft Store, PlayStation Store, Oculus Store and EA Origin (!) you can use the IARC (International Age Rating Coalition) - System. The USK trusts and checks regulary, if the rating of the IARC are conform to the USK rating. So Steam needs to pnly integrate the IARC System into their store.

@ObviouslyDeven 3 года назад

@Bulgarian Lion Shut up, meg.

@SisterTheohild 3 года назад

Well it's not so bad if u do not like to play hentai games. Because that genre is mostly the only one affected by this.

@MrBunt 3 года назад

There are still other, non-hentai games affected by this rule, for example you cannot get Agony Unrated in Germany, the same message will pop up

@Fleischmann04 3 года назад

theres so much censorship in germany yet pirating games or downloading pirated games almost never gets you arrested

@quazar5017 3 года назад

Conspiracy: It's from the VPN lobby, they wan't you to use their services.

@alex-uw4mm 3 года назад

yarr harr fiddle dee deee~ if you don't want my money i' sail to the sea

@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y 3 года назад

The devs and Steam do want it, though.

@alex-uw4mm 3 года назад

@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y well not giving me access to it is a weird way of letting me know and also if i have access to games thru a less cowardly store than ofc i put my "sailors" hat back on the shelf

@nuclearwarhead9338 3 года назад

@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y no shit sherlock. Tell us something we didn't know already.

@Lady-V 3 года назад

@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y The German government doesn't seem to want it; even though they'd benefit from sales tax

@TheGodsrighthandman 3 года назад

Arrr, matey, I also shop at the Sign of the Jolly Roger . . . .

@mrinternator1174 3 года назад

I can't buy HuniePop 2 on Steam, but on GOG. Wtf

@wursthans852 3 года назад

ikr it has a usk rating there but not on steam

@Gooberslot 3 года назад

GOG's version is censored.

@daskampffredchen9242 3 года назад

@@Gooberslot I looked it up and the first result was : Gog Forum Uncensored Patch

@xtrem5428 3 года назад

@@mrinternator1174 Huniepop 2 is uncensored on Steam. It's the first one that was censored, as it was published before Steam allowed adult games.

@mrinternator1174 3 года назад

@@xtrem5428 Oh okay, then the article I read was wrong about it.

@Fruchtkotzekiddy 3 года назад

im german and i had 0 problems getting uncut games / age restricted content in general before i was 18 - compared to now - back in the days i could just buy a paysafecard (no age restriction) and buy restricted content with it. but now i even had to validate im 18 on youtube via my driving license, so that i could watch restricted videos on youtube..

@bobbillans6715 3 года назад

Imagine having to do a video chat verification just to play Hunniepop.

@matthewwoodmass4161 3 года назад

Imagine playing Hunniepop

@VolkColopatrion 3 года назад

WHAT IS VALVE DOING? What is Germany doing?

@ohnosmoarlulcatz 3 года назад

It likely has something to do with verification of identity/age that would make it impossible for them to do it in a practical way. That's why AO games in the US are pretty much never sold in store shelves.

@papabones8753 3 года назад

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz ^this. It's pretty fucking dumb. I am an adult, I should be able to play those games but we've had certain ones banned for a while now like Houseparty.

@AlanGChenery 3 года назад

Germany (like most Western nations) is slowly becoming an ever more oppressive authoritarian oligarchy.

@Fuji086 3 года назад

@@AlanGChenery Some are using _China_ as a model for media censorship.

@somnion5816 3 года назад

@@Fuji086 This sadly includes Germany. -_-

@TallulahSoie 3 года назад

Censorship has made me give up on gaming for five years. I spent less than $150 on games in...well, a long time. 5+ years easy. I'm a PS guy but I boycotted them 5 years ago...as much as possible. I had to get a few, but only after a time and during a big sale. Gaming is my only hobby. Luckily I have a lot of old games. BOYCOTT ALL CENSORSHIP! Germany and Australia are absolutely insane authoritarians. That said the rest of us are getting pretty close.

@danielhao5790 3 года назад

you're not the only one.

@denkerbosu3551 3 года назад

Discovering old gems as used games is always great.

@thecompareablezombie 3 года назад

I slowed down on only buying certain japanese games. Also I am going to make video games with a programmer or I help with that while making music. Will have iron balls of steel, and say no to people wanting them censored. UNLESS I do what one japanese dev did D3 With Omega labyrinth Life

@babyeater639 3 года назад

Is bloodborne banned in germany? Because that's like a must play for all playstation owners.

@DJHEADPHONENINJA 3 года назад

The gaming industry is growing bigger and bigger every year and more people are born into gaming. Your boycott is doing nothing. Just buy the games you want to experience before your short time on this earth is over. Sony PlayStation is not going away anytime soon, lmao.

@trackex9783 3 года назад

As a german, I'd like to move to Austria now^^

@Chillchildren999 3 года назад

I mean Australia bans Maga so there as just as censor happy as Germany

@Herr-Rabe 3 года назад

@@Chillchildren999 Austria is not Australia... differnt country, man

@raver377 3 года назад

TL:DR its not the case that adult games are banned in germany its just that our government requires some form of age validation which steam refuses to implement

@TotallyNotAFox 3 года назад

Because the same government bitches about companies collecting personal information. Not giving us germans access to these games is the savest way for Valve to dodge legal actions in one way or another

@cronos4024 3 года назад

German authorities are so out of touch with the general and especially young population, it hurts. This year there are ellections in germany and I realy hope that the ruling party will depart this year. Its basically a retirement home

@viciousyeen6644 3 года назад

It really is just a bunch of stubborn and somewhat greedy elders. Can’t wait to see how the political and cultural view on many topics will change when they’re gone.

@Genius_at_Work 3 года назад

The Thing is that they will be elected again. Their Voters are almost exclusively Boomers (or Boomers in Mind, aka Phillip Amthor) who always voted CDU and won't change that, even with all the Scandals of the last Weeks and Months. The German Population is so old that there's no Way around them.

@cronos4024 3 года назад

@@Genius_at_Work Then the people must protest! I also think one shouldnt be allowed to vote beyond a certain age or after retiring. That would be an excellent way to freshen up the political landscape again

@LeoTheDarkAngel 3 года назад

@@cronos4024 I guess I get your point why you are suggesting vote restrictions for certain ages and up, (because those people statistically won't live as long with the consequences as younger people) but it still would be discriminating. You could then also argue that severely sick people shouldn't be allowed to vote for that same reason. Or people with certain disabilities that (statistically speaking) shorten their lifespan. Gen Z probably is very interested in politics and takes their right to vote seriously but in my opinion the real problem is that many young people (Gen Y, Millenials - wait, they're not that young anymore...) are frustrated and fed up with politics and just don't bother to vote. I think it might help if people realized that it's not just their right but their responsibility to vote and that even this one vote of one single person can - and will - make a difference in the long run.

@cronos4024 3 года назад

@@LeoTheDarkAngel I disagree, at least when it comes to germany. In the last 5 years political interest has drastically increased here and almost all 18-30 year old folk vote, but their votes have very little impact as the vast majority of the votes come from old people. In fact, the 60+ age group has more then double the number of votes in every election then all other age groups combined. I am not saying disabled or sick people shouldnt be able to vote anymore, I say retired people shouldnt. Because so many old people vote the same party as a habit for their whole life without doing research about them for dozens of years the ruling party in germany is basically a retirement home, slow and always 10-20 years behind all other countrys in the EU. This cant go on

@FullchanAnon 3 года назад

Subverse just released too. RIP my German friends.

@ArielVHarloff 3 года назад

Actually that seems to be fine to access

@theonefreeman6907 3 года назад

@@ArielVHarloff Leider nein. Blieb mir bis jetzt nur der alternative Weg.

@termitreter6545 3 года назад

For a video supposed to clear up things, its a bit annoying that theres so much myths, and partially outright misinformation in this video. I hate the german system, but that doesnt justify misinformation: 1. Classic games censoring. Thats because publishers for some stupid reason never tried to gain the freedom of art protection that stops movie censorship. Until recently when an indie game went for it and succeeded; thats teh reason why you suddenly have even fucking original Wolfenstein with Svastikas, Hitler and all sold in Germany. Movies like Indiana Jones had no issue showing Svastikas, because they had that protectoin, nor was gore or sex an issue for film. Im not a fan of the german laws, but this has partially be blamed on the publishers ineptitude. 2. Indexed games, even banned games, can be legally imported. 3. Games not getting a USK age rating were indexed automatically in the past, but that never applied to digital distribution, specifically steam. Hence most steam games available in Germany have never been touched by those agencies and lack a rating. 4. Otherwise, the indexing of games is completely seperate from the USK. Getting a rating doesnt protect you from the index. You also dont explain at all what "adult content" means? We have games with extreme violence, svastikas, Nazis, rape-thematics, full nudity and sex scenes on steam. This isnt a german legal classification, but something steam has made up. And considering how steam has fucked up things in the past, like with geoblocks that have no legal justification, I supposed this is yet another attempt to dodge deaing with the issue at all. Which again, the german rules are absolute dogshit, but it doesnt help to spread misinformation when often in the past, the publishers crazy levels of preemptive obedience was to be blamed, and we dont know quite whats goin on here.

@Ennocb 3 года назад

Well, just get an age verification system in place. Maybe that is what's being worked on currently and the inability to purchase such titles is merely a temporary solution. I don't think the underlying principle is bad. It's just the execution that failed.

@brettpid6416 3 года назад

yeah just like the book burnings back in the day..

@kruemel534 3 года назад

Age verification is a huge breach of privacy imho.

@kryzethx 3 года назад

Wowww, this absolutely sucks for everyone in Germany.

@3n3rgy90 3 года назад

that plays Japanese anime games, yes...

@kryzethx 3 года назад

@@3n3rgy90 Censorship is never good for anybody.

@thecompareablezombie 3 года назад

@@kryzethx Yup never good at all

@faloel 3 года назад

For everyone? Its not like everyone needs to play hentai games lol. And also you´re still able to get those games just not on steam.

@kryzethx 3 года назад

@Source Dasher If censorship didn't exist, then we wouldn't NEED VPN's or torrents. Just because there's a solution to mitigate a problem, doesn't mean the problem isn't there. It's still a problem.

@jup331 3 года назад

In my opinion the fault is with Steam. Its so stupid that i have to enter my birthday everytime i want to look at a 18+ rated game. Why cant the Steam launcher remember my birthday and do it itself? Would be so easy. You could extend this method to a real verification with my ID so my account is flagged as a verified adult so i could access indexed (list A) games. I dont know if that is a legal possibility but it seems like a good compromise. In my opinion its good that some media is not accessible to minors. If you are a parent and you decide that your 15 yo kid can play 16+ games, you can buy it yourself for them. Thats what the USK rating is for. To give guidelines for parents and restrict access for minors without their parents consent. The same should apply to online distributors. But Valve chooses the easy way out, blames the german govermant for "big evil censorship" but in reality the adult only market is probably not profitable enough for Valve to imagine a good age verification and defend it legally.

@Gorbag100 3 года назад

age verification with your ID is the easiest kind of age verification in germany. It would probably be fucking easy to implement. Valve just doesn't care.

@SuperKanal11 3 года назад

@@Gorbag100 True :D

@BerndFunken 3 года назад

The funny thing is if you pay with PayPal you have already proofed that you are adult, because you need a bank account for PayPal and in Germany only Adults get such a bank account. Minors can have only a special type of bank account that their parents register for them with the bank and you can't use these accounts for online payments. And Valve would need to make the age verification only once for every German account (and then store the age information in their database). A check of the personal ID card or a Schufa Information is fast, easy and reliable. This way they wouldn't need to implement this check for every sale.

@pape869 3 года назад

Lol in german schools we keep being told that censoring is bad. I'm of that opinion too but politicians here seem to not really care about article 5 in the Basic Law which says: "Zensur findet nicht statt"/"Censorship does not take place"

@aetikkorpo6233 3 года назад

The "good" stuff will not get censored.

@Kralledd 3 года назад

To be completely fair its not censored, at least not by the government in this case. Yeah the age verification they want ia bull*** but they dont outright ban the stuff from existing. The only one basically censoring is steam, as they dont wanna implement the verification, but as a private company they arent obligated to selling everything to everyone. (Only thing im curious about now os how the blocks work out with the european laws that everything must be offered to every european citizen the same)

@aetikkorpo6233 3 года назад

@@Kralledd Thats basicly outsourcing Censorship. Dont play dumb, the same happens with everything political non left stuff on twitter or facebook. Cheap Excuse.

@Kralledd 3 года назад

@@aetikkorpo6233 but noone is "outsourcing" anything, noone ever "told" valve they are to ban porn games from being sold, they can still be sold, with age verification in place. again, i think the verification systemsm they WANT are stupidly overblown, but theres no censorship happening here, no matter how much you seem to want it to be.

@aetikkorpo6233 3 года назад

@@Kralledd Think you what you want. It is planned. Lets talk about overburden penalties, imagine overspeeding would give you the death penalty, how many people do you think would overspeed then? In cas of Twitter and Facebook the state just giving overburden cash penalties with a rubber paragraph, "hatespeech". What do you think will happen? Do Twitter and co take the risk to not delete unsavory but not forbidden coments? Wake up bro, or even better read books such 1984 or Psychology of Crowds, but be wary seeing where we all end will consume your sanity.

@JMANTHEGERMAN 3 года назад

Time to get a VPN. I seriously hate my Country sometimes

@DarkyBoy 3 года назад

watch out, vpns are against steam ToS your account might get banned

@JMANTHEGERMAN 3 года назад

@@DarkyBoy Thanks for the information! That pretty much forces me to get certain games illegally.... :/

@Awesomeisme7000 3 года назад

@@JMANTHEGERMAN Note: Only illegal if caught, how they'll catch you... I doubt think they even know how.

@My_Old_YT_Account 3 года назад

Switch your store region to France or Austria with a random store or restaurant as the billing address, due to the nature of the EU they're very unlikely to ban you even without a VPN because a Frenchman or an Austria could work in Germany and use his account exclusively in Germany but live in France/Austria

@DarkyBoy 3 года назад

@@My_Old_YT_Account interesting solution

@stealth89thegreat85 3 года назад

VPN: You say that you never use me an not worth tje money. But where did i brought you. Back to me

@retroke6560 3 года назад

welp, even monkey know the difference in play and serious stuff. i don't want to be treated as the reason why shampoo bottles have instructions.

@xHeigoux 3 года назад

So this is why I kept getting error messages trying to buy some adult games in the past. I made an account on an illegal sharing website instead and downloaded them for free...

@KonoNana 3 года назад

as a german i can confirm. gaming teached me that punching and shooting people is fine. they don't die, they don't even bleed i'll never understand how anyone could've believed how this is a good idea... if anything it really tells someone that killing someone is no problem. games don't have to be realcistic but that sort of censorship doesn't do anything but actually play down violence and i can't see how that's a good thing at all lol and i'm glad that whoever's responsible for the current steam situation will never find out about other online stores. also some adult games on steam still don't seem to have been found out and i certainly won't tell them which they are

@LeoTheDarkAngel 3 года назад

I really like the point you make, because it gives a whole new view, but I guess the reason why it's not allowed to show violence so openly is so people don't get used to seeing burning people, splattered bodies etc and get used to this as if it was _not_ disturbing and absolutely brutal. They don't want people to desensitize to this form of violence or gore. Yet the government also demands to put horrible pictures of open wounds on cigarettes to actually show how bad smoking is. Oh the irony...

@wahrheitsbringerin 2 года назад

Und selbst wenn. Ich habe Freunde in Österreich, in der Schweiz, in Frankreich und Familie in Polen. Ein Anruf genügt und irgendwer schenkt mir das Spiel, welches im deutschen Steam Store nicht mehr angezeigt wird. Und das ohne illegale VPN. Denn VPN ist verboten seitens Steam. Sich Spiele schenken zu lassen aber nicht.

@leftdreamer6881 3 года назад

I live in germany and i didnt know about this! I hate it when they are implementing rules without giving a warning first

@KP3droflxp 3 года назад

The rule for Indexed stuff is quite old, they just noticed that steam isn’t complying

@BlurSentinel 3 года назад

I am a steam user since the beginning 2003/2004'ish. I pay everything with a credit card. At what point in time will I ever be old enough for steam to count as an adult?

@bestshadow6585 3 года назад

I sometimes wonder what kind of people control the USK. In games they are pretty strict, but for example in a show like Made in Abyss, where a child is bleeding from all openings and some other persons are literraly melting the USK is like "Yeah, 12 year old can watch this". Another game which I noticed to be censored is Team Fortress 2. When you kill someone, there is absolutly no blood. Bodies do explode, but in small mechanical pieces like springs or gearwheels.

@redbit5010 3 года назад

VPNs: *allow me to introduce myself.*

@KRAFTWERK2K6 3 года назад

Valve: "and i took that personally" *Bans the VPN user*

@assassain6005 3 года назад

I hope this doesnt spread to other EU countries

@linkskywalker5417 3 года назад

But given that Germany is the centerpiece of the EU, I fear it might

@Poldovico 3 года назад

It shouldn't, if anything the Germans will have to chill eventually.

@nathanl4083 3 года назад

I think/hope not, Germany has always censored more than other eu countries.

@linkskywalker5417 3 года назад

@@Poldovico The Germans will... But their government might not

@Poldovico 3 года назад

@@linkskywalker5417 it's a democracy, the laws will follow the culture eventually

@Eluvyel 3 года назад

The dumbest thing about this ban, is that we have a government API in place for EXACTLY this use case. It takes the last few numbers of your ID, which have the date of birth encoded in them. You link that to your account once and are basically good to go indefinitely. It reveals less personal info than even a credit card. Several game clients and websites use this. Steam are just too lazy to implement it. It's frustrating as hell.

@xSoulhunterDKx 3 года назад

This

@wahrheitsbringerin 2 года назад

If you are german and you would like buy games that not in the store is easy without a VPN. 1. Keys from shops outside germany or 2. you have friends in Europe, United Kingdom or USA? Tell him what you want for a game and your friends in the other countries can gifted you that game.

@SchazmenRassir 3 года назад

Because of course, Valve can't be bothered to moderate their store better, so let's just ban this thing for an entire country...

@TheGodsrighthandman 3 года назад

Why should they? Why should Valve instigate a system that ONLY Germany wants but which would impact the entire Rest of the World? It's 2021 and Germany doesn't get to call the shots, in ordnung?

@randomduck8679 3 года назад

Thank God the government banned such nasty games. We must think about the adults. This stuff is just too inappropriate for them.

@TalkingAboutGames 3 года назад

Please protecc the minds of the tender adults!

@KP3droflxp 3 года назад

Just the sale is made harder, not even illegal. And you can own them legally as well, steam just doesn’t care.

@Nekr0n35 3 года назад

Hi, I am from germany and did not hear about this message yet and haven't heard any other germans saying they are getting this message. Also I am not using any VPN or something like that, never had any problems in gaming.

@vertox4837 3 года назад

germany: those games are bad for young people also germany: makes drinking legal at the age of 16

@sokoTV2 3 года назад

This sucks and I think the German Government is overstepping their bounds. In the US, if restrictions on indecent content to protect minors impacts an adult's ability to access said content, then it violates the first amendment according to the supreme court. So if this was the US, the German Government's attempts to restrict this content would be overruled. But I'm not a German and my opinion matters little and this impacts me a very little amount. I'd say this is a perfect opportunity for a company to start up to streamline that intensive age verification for services like steam and mindgeek like that other age verification service steam uses. Valve and mindgeek would probably invest in that. If that's possible, I'd say jump on that opportunity now, Germans. Also I like this video. informative, topical, and interesting. I would love to hear about rating systems across the world too and how they have impacted releases of games both in those countries and out.

@twincast2005 3 года назад

Censorship is explicitly unconstitutional in Germany (and Japan *laughs in mosaics*), but while their constitutional court is great when it comes to customers vs. corporations etc., it's proven a-okay with everything done in the name of "protecting the children".

@weberman173 3 года назад

@@twincast2005 actualy.. censorship is excplicitly allowd in certain situations like "to protect the state"(ie censoring of non constitutional organisations like the SS) also this wasnt censoring.. it was Steam not complying with a request of germany to follow german laws and implement a fucking WORKINGage check for Adult only content..... steam did nto comply and removed the titles instead

@KP3droflxp 3 года назад

It’s it banned or illegal. You just have to prove you’re older than 18 and that’s apparently too much of a hassle for steam

@chiiatore8364 3 года назад

I pray that one day German users would be able to experience the hentai games I loved without resorting to illegal methods.

@BQD_Central 3 года назад

Just buy it at a store that doesn't care about German regulations. Denpasoft for example sells their products perfectly fine to German residents.

@potaterjim 3 года назад

When erotica is outlawed, only outlaws will lewd.

@Llortnerof 3 года назад

They're able to do so just fine. These limitations only apply to Steam because Steam didn't implement proper age verification measures. Germany didn't really change anything about it lately, the rules in question have been in place for years.

@Llortnerof 3 года назад

@Maximilian Stocker Same reason they're doing it at all: They aren't willing to invest into any systems to actually check.

@wildwurfler2782 3 года назад

Pff we Germans (at least the older ones) have not only alternatives but are also experienced how to obtain legal uncensored games given that we learned that dance back then when violent games got censored. Or do you really think that we played that ridiculous censored Half Life shown in the video. I have played legal uncut Mortal Kombat and Wolfenstein games all my life despite censorship issues in my country. Now the younger generation learns to deal and circumvent censorship by trying to get uncensored porn games. Publisher will learn to deal and trick as well as they want that money. The only one that will be lose is Steam as german buyers will go elsewhere with their money and maybe switch to other sales platforms altogether.

@jonathan1271 3 года назад

Well, it´s time to set sails on the pirate sea again.

@Red__Ray 3 года назад

Jesus, pretty much all of the people in the Positions to decide such things are 80 year old CDU/CSU guys, who have never played tetris.

@MrSTVR 3 года назад

Almost gave me a heart attack until I saw the word Germany

@JRPGGUY 3 года назад

Don't worry the censorship cancer will spread

@user-eu5ol7mx8y 3 года назад

I'm really starting to hate Germany. It's like a hotbed of authoritarianism in Europe.

@Legomicroman 3 года назад

me, as a german: "danke, ich hasse es."

@coolboy9979 3 года назад

Me as a german that isnt a pedo: "Danke"

@lxshotgun3535 3 года назад

@@coolboy9979 What in the fuck does that have to do with Pedo?????

@captnsnackbeard6898 3 года назад

Me as a german '' Dieser zensur scheiß macht mich nur müde, ich will doch ungestört schpielen was ich will und der Staat sollte keinen Zugriff darauf haben '' i know its a mouthfull but fuck censorship

@coolboy9979 3 года назад

@@lxshotgun3535 Wdym? Look at the adult only section, they are full of anime visual novels with a bunch of loli looking people

@totalermist 3 года назад

@@captnsnackbeard6898 Bloß dass es sich eben *nicht* um Zensur handelt. Wann kriegt ihr Deppen das endlich mal auf Kette! Anstatt sich darüber aufzuregen dass Valve sich lieber die Taschen voll haut statt mal ne anständige Altersüberprüfung umzusetzen oder Entwicklern dabei zu helfen ihren Scheiß einfach einstufen zu lassen, lieber von Zensur schwafeln. Hilft keinem und ändert auch nix. Valve ist hier mindestens genauso Schuld wie die teils antiquierten Regeln des JSG.

@320iSTWEdition 3 года назад

Okay, shortcut for everyone interested because it was mentioned late in the video..... this is only about games unrated in Germany, meaning they have not been age-rated from the USK. If that IS the case however, there is no problem purchasing and playing the game. Nothing new really here in Germany..... because getting adult unrated games has always been complicated.

@banuno 3 года назад

so THATS why left 4 dead 2 made an update where germans can edit the game, i was pretty confused.

@AbcDefg-zt8xy 3 года назад

I'm on the valve side here - implementing strict age verification on the internet is unethical, tyrannical and a slippery slope for more goverment control over the internet. Plus it would be a bad example for goverments of other countries. People of the germany should push their tyrannical goverment back in its place, not valve. Valve choose to ignore this unethical practice and rightfully so.

@AzraelGFG 3 года назад

hahahahahah germans showing their government their place? good one. the old people don't care and vote as they have always done and the silent majority just accepts it and spread their buttcheeks for the government.

@ElCerveza683 3 года назад

@@AzraelGFG germany in einer nussschale

@daskampffredchen9242 3 года назад

Its sad that people need to use a VPN to freely access art. Germany hasnt changed that much if you really think about it

@alicesteel 3 года назад

Valve's proper response would have been to very publicly announce "Germany and other countries have been asking us to censor our storefront. We would like to remind them that we are a US company and all of our agreements with both customers and publishers are subject to US jurisdiction. We are not required to follow your unethical, tyrannical, and censorious laws and shall not do so. To reinforce this fact we will be removing any and all region locks on content and treating all customers equally regardless of their physical locations. In addition we will be removing all clauses in our contracts restricting the use of VPNs to bypass region locks or government firewalls as we will not be using them any longer."

@AbcDefg-zt8xy 3 года назад

@@alicesteel yeah, and say bye-bye to regional prices :( ........tough choice then

@nathanielenochs1843 3 года назад

Valve needs to take a page from Current Nintendo’s book and just rely on the Rating Systems that’s been in place

@dracoerrarus4834 3 года назад

That’s not how it works for porn games. Last I checked, Nintendo has no AO games, so they don’t have to worry about meeting such government requirements. Sure, Nintendo has done an excellent job, but no one in the sex business seems to be willing to take responsibility for verifying the age of their customers.

@Keeki95 3 года назад

Probably because any effective verification requires getting rid of anonymity, which is practically necessary for customers. The thing is, the only way for minors to purchase adult games is if tgey are allowed to freely spend money on it. So I don't know why a verification needs to exist: if parents are actually parenting, then how do these kids end up with access to money and the means to make digital purchases? And if a parent decides their child is responsible enough for that, how are they not responsible enough to decide if they purchase those games? I don't understand why it's necessary to have these restrictions because it seems to assume parents don't have a responsibility to not give their kids unchecked access to money.

@dracoerrarus4834 3 года назад

@@Keeki95 There are free games too, but you’re right. In a perfect world, parents would monitor their children’s Internet use. But that still doesn’t excuse a distributor for giving or selling explicit material to a kid.

@Keeki95 3 года назад

@@dracoerrarus4834 Yeah, there are free games out there. There are also plenty of adult sites minors can visit like PH without any barrier to entry for adult media beyond just games as well. To be honest, coming from my own experience growing up, I believe parents do need to practice some restrictions on their children's internet access. I do agree that in a physical space, retailers shouldn't be selling these kinds of games to minors and it's reasonable to have restrictions on that, but it just is not feasible for online spaces. I don't think government restrictions can force these industries to implement stringent verification because I think they would utterly collapse with how important anonymity is to them. And I believe these government restrictions give a lot of people a sense of false security and allows them to justify to themselves that they do not have a responsibility to monitor their children's use of the internet. That said, we don't live in a perfect world and either way there are going to be some minors that get a hold of adult material, but that has been part of the process of maturing as well. At one point it was VHS tapes and dirty mags that kids would stumble across or seek out as a form of rebellion. It's better off if parents carry the responsibility so they can at least be ready to respond properly to their kids when this happens rather than being distraught and indignant that someone is putting their adult content online in a space that tells non adults to not enter (keeping in mind platforms like Steam and Nintendo in these cases have family features that parents can set up to very effectively control their children's access to this content if they're willing to put in the effort to do it). I think when the kids see their parents reacting like this, it's going to leave a bad impression on them.

@ShadowarsLP 3 года назад

Lust from beyond is just gone in Germany... My friend was counting every single day to pre-order it and now is really sad

@brettpid6416 3 года назад

just tell them to pirate it

@ShadowarsLP 3 года назад

@@brettpid6416 she wanted it on steam tho and support the developers. Plus pirating a game is kinda shady with all the viruses and all

@Kralledd 3 года назад

I was looking forward to subverse for since it was first announced, am sad :(

@ShadowarsLP 3 года назад

@@Kralledd you're not alone my brother...

@daggercatz7297 3 года назад

Who the fuck had the idea that making games be able to only be played during certain times is a good way of filtering underage people from adult games...

@b4ttlemast0r 3 года назад

Doom 2 from 1994 is still blocked on German steam.

@KRAFTWERK2K6 3 года назад

Meanwhile on GOG you can buy ALL the Doom games without problem. Doom, Doom II, Final Doom and Doom 3 BFG edition. Even Wolfenstein 3D is finally available for germans there.

@Kralledd 3 года назад

Old indexed games can be reevaluated after a couple years, but only at the specific request from the right holders. So if they just dont care about it, itll stay there. But its up to the dev/publisher to get it off there now.

@danielhao5790 3 года назад

Steam recently also censored a normal game that is called Ar Nosurge DX.

@Weaver_Games 3 года назад

This was just Koei not wanting the game to release outside Japan since DX is not in English yet. It's a standard "Japan only" release at the moment that they love doing so much. If you VPN from Japan you can load the page but no other country will work.

@dashi4408 3 года назад

the funniest shit about this is, that recently the game "hatred" has come off the index, after only a few years on it. As a german, this way of handling it is really frustrating, and the comment saying that german government officials are all out of touch boomers is 100% correct.

@SuperSand2000 3 года назад

If you buy all your games in Austria you get a German uncut version. Also it is very easy to buy PaySafeCards under aged and buy 18+ games on Steam without any verification.