Why Tadej Pogačar Is BECOMING The GREATEST Cyclist Of All Time? 

I like Tadej. But there are a few riders who are more complete and better all around.

@@basstheangeloAs of example? Who can win grand tours, mountain stages, be at the top of time trials, win classics and monuments?

​@@basstheangeloProbably but i guess most haven't left kindergarten yet

@user-tn6xo3fe8ralong with Jonas 💯

@user-tn6xo3fe8rnah Vingegaard

​@user-tn6xo3fe8rdo you have proof of that??

WvA

Wout Van Aert is the most complete rider

If that’s the criteria then Remco is the best rider in the world 😂

He IS so exciting to watch!! Such panache! And off the bike he has personality (though not as much as Sagan who I will miss)

@@jademermaidmusicRemco is one the most exciting to watch for sure

@@jademermaidmusic Remco who?

Tour of California? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

very true I miss the race so much

@@71CMM Care to explain your emojis?

I remember that race❤

They call him pogakar

He can beat Ving in 1 day races and sprint finishes. He can't beat Ving in 3 week races.

​@brandi3338 this year he was not well prepared as was said in the video, yet came in 2nd in the TdF, next year we will see how he fares against Vingegaard.

Incorrect. 2021 Tour de France was won by Pog. Fishboy came second. In week long races Pog has the advantage over Fishboy. Fishboy has not won a monument or classic. Pog has 5 monuments and 3 classic wins. @@brandi3338

@@byhsu6140 Or maybe his break before Tour de France made him better? You don't know, I don't know. Fact is, he lost to Vingegaard again, by 7 minutes(!). Vingegaard is by far the best stage racer.

I think Cycling is the only sport where a certified cheater like Merckx will be considered the greatest of the sport, truly weird to call someone who won by cheating the best athlete.

Mohoric’s interview when he won a stage at the tour (I think it was) really made a very positive impression upon me. He was so humble and authentic in describing the suffering one has to endure in order to win a grand tour stage, and how in the end there is also some luck and he felt badly that those he competed with for the stage win couldn’t also be winners. The guy has a great character. Hope he continues to be successful in gravel and/or on the road.

And Merckx wasn't clean.

@@lamf4846 Pogacar isn't clean either ...

It's not even close. He will never get 5 Tour de France wins like Eddy Merckx. Farming Lombardia isn't that impressive, his Flanders win was way more impressive.

Submit your evidence to the UCI and WADA.@@HolgerDanske874

@@lamf4846 Do you believe in God, lamf4846?

Thank you kindly!

At least 2 failed doping tests....

If he can stay healthy both physically and mentally, he’ll be as great as Merckx

Having 2 tour de frances and a tour of flanders seems like he's ahead of everyone else for the last 30 years

As others have stated elsewhere, Pogi needs to win a few more grand tours including the Giro and Vuelta at least once before he can be ranked “The GREATEST cyclist of all time” as well as the Tour another 4 times or more AND continue winning in the monuments. If he could win San Remo and Roubaix once and maybe Flèche Wallone to complete the monuments and spring classics - THEN he’d be the greatest of all time (maybe not better than Merckx though).

@@msemmahale4608 as I said, he has potential to be the best, but he of course have to win all that, yes.. And fleche wallone he won this year.

@@msemmahale4608 Pogacar has won Fleche Wallone.

Best alll around rider, Vingegaard is the better stage racer and Van der Poel is the better one day racer

He's won all ardenne classics and came close to do the triple ardenne classics if it werent for his crash at LBL.@@msemmahale4608

Remains the standard for a doper who somehow still gets credits for something he only achieved due to cheating*.

@@Knofrisplenty to argue about that. giro politics and what not. But even if he doped which admittedly he probably did. I personally believe everyone from that era was on something.( Listening to some anquetil and others their quotes. Knowing about Zoetemelk doping suspensions, ... .) What is certain is that doping was amateuristic back then. probably mostly steroids. not the performance enhancing stuff used from the 1990's and onwards. So yeah he remains the goat. Pantani and Frank Vandenbroucke for example were major knuckleheads but legends all the same.

@@koopalibrary At any time, there were substances that were banned. Using these substances is cheating and should absolutely get you and your records banned. No idea how a cheater can be in a discussion about being a good athlete. Maybe it’s because Belgium doesn’t have any other top athlete or sth. but a cheater will never be a good athlete. Eddy Merckx was successful, due to cheating. Nowhere near a good sportsman and athlete, actually the other side of the spectrum.

@@Knofris well, go and prove he cheated without a shadow of a doubt and get his records banned. Good luck with that, if you are so certain of your case. Merckx is the goat wether you like it or not.

@@koopalibrary Just type in “Eddy Merckx Doping” on Google, he got tested positive multiple times, it’s really not that hard, it doesn’t even take one minute. Just because it’s your idol, you don’t have to take away facts. He was a cheater, is a cheater and will always stay in the history books as a cheater. That’s just the way it is with someone like him who doped. If you consider someone who needs to use illegal substances to win as the greatest of all time, then i feel bad for you with your lack of morals.

Factos all professional athletes dope.

Just means they were on a better preventative protocol/timing

The reason I’m not a known criminal is I’ve never been caught but I’m still a criminal 😅

It’s not a secret he had the best nutrition, he literally got caught.

He wouldn’t be more successful, simply because a cheater like him would’ve been banned today.

Coming hard for a doper? Merckx isn’t in the goat debate, a cheater shouldn’t even keep his victories.

I think the comparison of such different eras in any sport is "stupid". Things changed too much. Mercx might not be even top 20 in today's times and vice versa. Also... the amount of doping positives Mercx had.... well no comment there (not saying we for sure know who is doped today but, he was caught and could race the TdF 4 weeks after positive test).

How can you even consider a doper as a great athlete? He literally got caught for cheating.

Remco is a joke

No, he wouldn't. He lost by 7 minutes. Vingegaard is clearly the better stage racer.

The vid is just meant to highlight his trajectory but sure, a lot can happen in coming years to derail that.

@@Jen-iy7lq potentially he can become the goat..no doubt about It..and i Wish him to win as much as possibile..he Is already in Cycling history by the way

​@@Jen-iy7lq😢

If I could get past the doping, I don't think Lance had great competition.

it'll never die....... his doping program was far more superior to the rest of the field. He was doping before he hooked up with Ferrarri, but couldn't crack to the top 30 ini any race. So, no, it cannot be determined. He was on a superior doping program than the rest

How could he be considered GOAT when he did not win a single monument? He did win WC as a tender age though.

You cant compare who took what, people react very diff. on doping.. some get very much advanced and som very little..

I chat some shit, but this is next level 😂

Yeah I agree. LeMond being placed in there with the greats was puzzling. Lemond won 3 TdF, world champion but I don’t think he won any other GTs (although if he hadn’t been shot he may have won 5 TdF, but we’ll never know).

Truly puzzling choice. He is not Top 10 in my book.

@@holmbjerg Curious about your response. Who would you rank ahead of Pogacar?

Its both ahahahahah

The competition is so much more fierce these days, simply comparing the number of wins will always favour the best riders from the past.

I get what you are saying when you talk about how more athletes globally are competing today compared to 30 or 40 years ago, but I always find it odd when people draw a magical line in the sand and say starting around 1990 or whatever things changed lol. Cycling has been going on since back in the 1800's, so I could say that starting in 1950 or 1960, the sport started changing lol. I'm pretty sure when Eddy Merckx was dominating in the 60's and 70's, people were probably saying that his competition was much better than the competition from the 1800's or 1920's lol. In reality, it really doesn't matter when you were born, what matters is, how did you do against your fellow peers from your time?? In Cycling, it's pretty simple and straight forward, it's you, your bike, the road, and your competitors around you on the road. I saw an old video from the 1980's with Greg LeMond in it, and it killed me what he said, he said that Eddy Merckx basically had no competition and that it was easy for him lol. Even Greg LeMond is one of those same morons that only care about their generation.

That would be very cool. I’m def a Pogi fan. The guy has panache.

Vingo will blow him up in long climbes all day. He will only win if they prepare a special route for him. Like they made cancellara win the tour of swiss one time.

Deluded. Vingegaard will destroy Pogacar in the mountains. Vingegaard is a natural climber, a better climber. Pogacar is just more explosive.

@@HolgerDanske874 You think 🤔 Jonas Salt and Vinegar will win 😝 Mark my words the dominance of that Selfish Dutch outfit is coming to an end. Don’t worry about Pogacar in the Mountains 🏔️

@@bigunitcyling Vigegaard will beat selfish Pogacar. Vingegaard gifted a Grand Tour win to his domestique, Vingegaard waited for Pogacar when he crashed on the downhill in Tour de France 2022. Selfish Pogacar attacked sympathetic Vingegaard on stage 5 in Tour de France 2022 on the cobbled stage when Vingegaard had a puncture. Good will defeat Evil.

Vingegaard will be considered the best Grand Tour rider of his generation. Pogacar isn't better. Van der Poel will probably be the best one day rider of this generation. Pogacar is just all around, not the best.

@@HolgerDanske874 spoken like a true Dane. Given how specialised modern cycling is, I politely disagree. Until MVDP is at the pointy of grand tours, or Jonas wins multiple classics in a season it’s Pogacar first and daylight second. I really like all three and enjoy all of them though.

@@DB-ez9ud Why would Vingegaard race classics? He is a stage racer and he is the best in the world at it. This is why I specifically wrote "best Grand Tour rider". He will win the biggest race of them all next year as well, Tour de France.

You are missing my point. JV will only ever race grand tours as that is his specialisation. I’m not saying he should, or would do one day races. He focuses solely on GT. The fact that Pogacar does both is what makes him so great. Do you honestly think if Pogacar focussed solely on tdf, Jonas would have won the last two tours as well. Possibly, but it would have been much closer still. I say this as a big fan of both btw.

To put another way, what classics did Froome and Le Mond win?

And if you are so knowledgeable can you talk about Eddy's rivals? Perhaps roger de vlaemink was a nobody, luis ocaña, gimondi... There is also the factor of racing days, nowaday's programs are much more sophisticated and riders don't have that many race days that they used to have before. Sources say that merckx averaged about 150 to 200 race days per season during his peak. Since Eddy was as talented it is very obvious he could milk an insane amount of victories per year, do you think if tadej raced let's say 150 days a year he wouldn't get many more victories that he does today? Think of the context.

and a World Championship!

Lance who?

Mate, I love Jonas, but Tadej is a better cyclist overall. There's more about cycling than just one grand tour. He's been racing all the classics and winning them, while Jonas was specifically training the entire year solely for the Tour. Not to mention that this year Pogacar was injured for a couple months right before the Tour. Also, he does have two Tour wins under his name, so there's that. Let's see who wins next year and just enjoy this era of amazing competition. I hope to see Jonas, Tadej, Primoz and Remco battling it out till the end!

Too bad Jonas was put on a leash at the Vuelta. What a year it could have been if he dominated the TDF and won the Vuelta.

@@lencekk Who cares about the best over all rider. Vingegaard is a stage racer and he is the best in the world at it. Van Der Poel is the best one day racer in the world.

Compare Merckx's competition to Pogacar's, and you'll be less impressed with the record of Eddy Merckx. Merckx: best of his era, of course, but best of any era? Not at all clear.

@@teddansonLA He was fighting the likes of de vlaemink gimondi, francesco moser, luis ocaña, the competition was very fierce at the classics, obviously it is too easy to talk if you don't know too much about the past. Please do some research, it is a bit disrespectful to merckx. You can argue as well that pogacar had "less" competition during the period he won the 2 tour de france and the 1 week stage races. The difference however is that riders don't race that often these days, that's the biggest factor. The competitiion has always been there.

@@teddansonLA what do you know about the riders of that era? Where you even born back then? Did they even know pro cycling back then in the US?

@@Queen-be6md _Please do some research_ About what? I know all about his career, who he raced, and how good they were. When Merckx raced, the teams were 10 men strong, and only around 15 teams competed in a typical Tour de France. The winners of any big race were almost always European, and usually from about 4 major countries - a smaller talent pool, with fewer professionals means less competition. _it is a bit disrespectful to merckx_ When was I disrespectful? All you have done is look at the lengths of various rider's records on wikipedia, stripped of all context. Your own argument is disrespectful to modern riders. How about you "do some research"?

@@lordbachus _Did they even know pro cycling back then in the US?_ (a) I'm not from the US, (b) if the US had been a hot bed of cycling talent in the 70s, then at least the talent pool for cycling would be 50-100% larger than it was in 1965-1978, and therefore it may have been deep enough to be considered as good as the mid-late 1980s, but never as strong as today.

I don't see the point. If you are a cycling fan, you'll know why these other races matter. If you aren't a cycling fan, it shouldn't really matter.

@@MDP1702 true, i bet paris roubaix is any other race for most of the audience.

And so what, Eddy merckx also got beaten several times in several races? You're talking as if Tadej has already given up. He has years to fight, let us see the battle before rushed up conclusions.

@@Queen-be6md its 2-0 there is no battle

@@tristansmeets6086 What is your point? If I can remember correctly Tadej also has 2 TDF, they are both as impressive with the addition that Tadej has several monuments under his bell.

@@tristansmeets6086 Can't be 2-0, since in 2021 the podium was Pogacar 1st, Vingegaard 2nd. So 2-1 in head to head battles at the Tour de France.

@@teddansonLA Vingegaard came as a domestique, he even waited for Roglic when he crashed, losing minutes. 2-0 for Vingegaard, the better stage racer.

He literally won TDF twice already..so I don't know about what second fiddle are you talking about😂😂😂

@@nelly-gu2qq Go watch the previous 2 years of TdF and the next 3-4 years. If you still don't know, watch them again.

Sean Kelly don't have any TDF or GDI and is second in the all-time standings.

You're flawed, he already won 2 TDF just because he's got 2nd twice in a row doens't make him any less, argue why his wins at the classics are "less" prestigious according to you. I mean assuming that the classics mean anything to you or perhaps the tdf is the only race in the calendar.@@CHRoOMAX

@@nelly-gu2qq And now he was surpassed by a better stage racer. In fact, Pogacar isn't even the best one day racer. Van Der Poel is better. As the author of the first commen said, Pogacar is just the best all arounder. That's it.

Jonas is no where near being the best 😂😂😂😂

When Jones starts doing the races the whole year..than start talking😂

​@@nelly-gu2qqvingegaard has 15 wins this season

Jonas dropped Tadej on Stage 17 on the Col de la Loze, and beat him in the time trial. Tadej never dropped Jonas this year. Vingo won the tour by 8 minutes. So who's better? I would trade 2 monuments for the tour all day long. The tour is the the race that matters. @@ninnak-ve5ko

Many ridders have that much wins in this year 😂