Why Taiwan matters to the United States 

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Taiwan 50% south Korea 20% Japan 15% America 15% of semi conductor market IF I HAD MY WAY. bringing a major and vital industry back to America. while stabilizing economic interest in our greatest allies in the PACIFIC.

If China annexed Taiwan wouldn’t we just buy the microchips from China then…?

@@Forester2547 naive much. China greatest threat to freedom since USSR having control over all of our technology. Don't see the issue's

What wealth? Philippines chooses neither.

@@eaglecentury3409 that's the point.

​@@prfwrx2497 I'm not well versed in their politics, could you give an example on how they chose wealth over security?

@@eaglecentury3409 he means they're picking wealth by not engaging in schizophrenic US foreign policy

I was not aware that the Philippines ever had either.

TSMC ! Everything has electronics in it nowadays. Taiwan goes, the world economy goes ! After Deng Xiaoping opened China to foreign investment, it was Taiwanese companies that took the lead, into making China, the world's factory. So, for decades, the CCP wouldn't think about invading Taiwan, as it was their "golden goose", laying "golden eggs", of valuable semiconductors (actually worth much more than their weight in gold), needed to make anything electronic. But things have changed under Xi Jingping ! Under his rule, Chinese labor cost have crossed the threshold, so many foreign companies started leaving China. Instead of trying to retain the foreigners, the CCP has become hostile to the remaining foreign companies. Most of China's current factories, are Chinese, with CCP ties. That, and the current economic downturn, has changed China's view of Taiwan. Invasion is now back on the table, even if it wrecks the semiconductor industry.

@@mohammedsea857 It definitely is. If TSMC gets destroyed, it's going to be at least a decade before the same amount of capital, experience and trust can be accumulated even with massive investments, not counting the lost growth. In such a critical industry the effects on the global economy would be extensive.

My job has problems getting semi trucks due to lack of diods.

@@mohammedsea857, more like it would almost virtually halt. TSMC, to my knowledge, has a almost total monopoly, if not a total monopoly, on ARM chip manufacturing. TSMC produces AMD's chips. Yes, Intel exists, but that isn't gonna work for phones or certain embedded devices. Intel can't produce a RISC based chip to save their life. That's why they attempted to buy SiFive. Why else would the United States basically hand TSMC a blank check for their Arizona plant?

Good way to get a lot of power projection aimed at upending your regional dominance is to threaten extensive global markets, js

Those who choose to follow the will of their masters instead of the wellbeing of their people will have their rule shortlived and their people suffer.

But the Chinese are masters in economic warfare

We don't have the power to choose. . . We can only be driven forward by those in power🤐

@@uggali Is that so? What criteria did you use to determine this? -Number of sanctions they impose on other countries who do not follow their agenda? The US is a few laps ahead -Retaliatory sanctions that are calculated? Well maybe, they are run by people who majored in STEM fields after all.

It's like having a mansion but being robbed because you have no alarm system. Or, having millions in crypto but not having a VPN to protect your passwords.

yup, indeed. There's even a possibility that should China invade taiwan, they would start there first, a Full Assault on Kinmen and Matsu, both only couple of miles from the mainland.

it’s 金門

WOW!😕

Kinmen Islands

Me and the boys are going to annex it.

TSMC had brilliant scientists and managers that steered the company toward the right investments. And now, they are Taiwan's greatest strategic deterrence.

Samsung beats TSMC on the 3nm chips technology. chip industry (TSMC) faces foreign capital flight as DIEwan (taiwan) province of China authority “plays with fire”. the rising tensions in the die-wan (taiwan) and China Strait posed by the constant speculation and provocation of diewan (Taiwan) stupid DPP leader and authorities serve as one possible driver for the foreign capital FLIGHT, describing the move as “playing with fire” that will eventually hurt its own business. TSMC shares plummeted 73%. Dependence on TSMC is now seen as High Risk. Both China and America are spending big on developing their own industries, even if TSMC were gone, the world will CATCH UP pretty soon.

@@huoyeh4319 who the hell are you? jealous af much?

@@islandvibez who the hell are you? are you jealous?

@@huoyeh4319 lol I forgot I'm talking to a wumao 😂 here's your tree fiddy cents. Go feed your family.

You beat me to it. Every video seems to have a very prolific comment at the end. Shirvan needs to have a book of quotes.

@@JR-gp2zk He won't, because the quotes are all from other people. He just neglects to provide attribution.

@@JR-gp2zk he just bootlegged a Ben Franklin quote about liberty. Choosing to not pry a chinese territory away illegally via war is a very logical thing to do.

@@ArawnOfAnnwn yep

Ironically, this also applies to Taiwan and the US

or, vice versa. Sadly, most folks could give a rat's butt if it isn't involving them directly. To give an example, so many folks still don't understand why all of a sudden leafy greens has gone up in price fourfold recently. Hint: it's got something to do with California suffering from drought, and potash / phosphate / nitrate shortage due to the war in Ukraine.

Isn't that Shepard from COD?

Primary reason or not, it should also be mentioned that Taiwan is similar to the US and has a democratic government and the people are free. China has a fascist dictator, like Russia or North Korea, and the people have no freedom. ☆ Also, years ago the US gave our word to assist Taiwan if the Communist mainland China ever illegally invaded the peaceful Taiwanese people. 🇺🇸 🫂 🇹🇼

@@CollectiveWesterner yea our governments are totally democratic and we are definitely not ruled by billionaire and big corporate interests. Man you are delusional

@@CollectiveWesterner Yes, it's something else that should be kept in mind. What use is saying we want democracy and freedom if we are unwilling to support democracies [however flawed] against tyrannies? There are rumors the West is growing tired of supporting Ukraine against Russia. But if the West thinks supporting Ukraine is expensive wait until Ukraine falls and Russia {and an emboldened China maybe] looks for its next victim. If the French and British had attacked Hitler when he walked into the Saarland in Hitler's own words apparently [paraphrase] ' We would have ran back to Germany with our tails between our legs'. If true, would have saved a lot of inconvenience ... and death.

well, even though taiwan was ceded, Taiwan declared independence. Japan did actually send an army and fought and ultimately defeated Chinese (Republic of Formosa )armies in Taiwan.

@@Doochos yes, after the signing of the Treaty of Shimonoseki the Qing Chinese administrators on Taiwan did briefly resist the Japanese and declare the Republic of Formosa (and after the fall of Taipei to the Japanese the remaining Republic in Tainan) but they only lasted a few months, were not recognised by any country and had limited power outside the main cities. The video also doesn't mention these brief republics and makes it sound like Japan simply "conquered" Taiwan from Qing China, which is not exactly correct. Further, the Republic of Formosa is not a "republic" in the modern sense of the word, its administrators remained loyal to Qing China and considered the Republic of Formosa to be a tributary state of the Qing Empire, similar to how the earlier Kingdom of Tung Ning under Koxingha considered itself a tributary state loyal to the Ming dynasty. It's not a true period of Taiwan as an independent country

@@poshbo You state directly in one sequence: - That Japan did not conquer Taiwan from the Qing, but from the Republic of Formosa and - That the Republic of Formosa remined loyal to the Qing. Do you notice the significant mistake in your consistency?

@@martinfiedler4317 I never said that Japan conquered Taiwan from the Republic of Formosa. I'm saying that the Qing administrators in Taiwan briefly declared themselves the Republic of Formosa but no other country recognized it as an actual country and it only lasted several months at most. Under the Treaty of Shimonoseki Taiwan was ceded by Qing China to Japan, the fact that some local administrators in Taiwan briefly resisted the Japanese doesn't make much difference in the grand scheme of things

@@poshbo OK, you do NOT notice the inconsistency in your statements. Thanks for confiming.

You were fools to trust a corrupt regime in decades of free fall, with ground zero still not in sight.

And our political & economic leadership still keeps going towards MORE dependence on China (see Hamburg/COSCO, car makers etc), instead of at least trying to do the right thing. It's infuriating.

That’s the wrong lesson to draw from this. We would immensely benefit from good relations with Russia. I think the core reason for the war are US efforts to weaken and divide Russia and Europe.

If they reunify peacefully they can have both

@@spaceowl5957 Ah yes, the US effort forced Russia to invade Ukraine -and Europe's response to it is totally born from the US too. It isn't like Europe doing nothing wouldn't destroy European unity forever or anything; thus crippling it for future generations. If you think you could get away with the EU doing nothing in regards to Ukraine, then Eastern Europe and key Western/Northern European countries would break away from a united Europe immediately. Geopolitically speaking, Europe has zero choice but to stand against Russia. Which was why Russia's actions have been the most braindead act in its recent history. But you don't care; because you're likely a Russian shill to begin with.

Taiwan doesn't develop shit - it is a big factory that uses American technology, to produce American designed chips for American customers on ADSL machines designed and built in the Netherlands.

It's not personal. If tiawan falls we need a backup.

TSMC is building a foundry in I believe Arizona. But it is a political move. Any profit / productions out of that plant will be negligible.

So what happened? Is Intel the only US Semiconductor company left after IBM withdrew?

Yup, that is what government interference in the economy does, and overly zealous anti business, anti capitalist regulations does. F*** Regulations, they are why we are at this point.

woah it's the ground news official youtube channel

I believe the US already had nuclear capable bombers deployed their tho

@@vyros.3234 Nuclear capable bombers are obsolete these days

Former President Jimmy Carter... “ the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China " This dude is spreading Fake News...He is making every excuse under the sun but he leave out the facts.

@@vyros.3234 would Australian let atomic weapons on shore? if Australia is a base why not just get the nukes ?

Man, you'd think Shirvan had psychic abilities eh?😆

His timing is immaculate.

Im pretty sure the google algorithms can read minds at this point...

me: why taiwan matters to a growing China

Taiwan is a bunch of uncle tom chinese boys. and they need to be delth with.

The basic historical fact is wrong!

Only about 1/3 of Taiwan was once a Chinese colony.

@@user-oq1oc4qx4p Obviously, the Chinese settlement expanded continually from zero to almost all of the island; therefore, according to the intermediate value theorem, there must have been a moment at which ⅓ of Taiwan was colonized by China.

​@@user-uh8fu3mb9l Stop dreaming, kid! The Taiwanese aborigines were very powerful in ancient times, and even the US military could not defeat the Taiwanese aborigines. Did China have Japanese bombers or American nuclear bombs during the Manchu Qing Dynasty?

@@user-oq1oc4qx4p The Austronesians are indeed very powerful, who once set sails from their Urheimat, Taiwan, with their proas and conquered most of the Indo-Pacific oceans. And yet this does not contradict what I said earlier. It was just a theorem about continuous functions...

​@@user-uh8fu3mb9l Maybe if Japan didn't intervene, the Manchu Qing would have the opportunity to occupy the entire Taiwan one day, right? However, due to Japanese interference, the Manchu Qing Dynasty never occupied complete Taiwan.

Asionometry has a lot of interesting videos about Taiwan, mostly about semiconductor manufacturing but also some to do with Japanese colonisation and pre-Han history.

I found one for ya. Very well-researched. It's called "Mapping Taiwan's History " by Exploring History , here on RU-vid. I'd send you a direct link, but for some reason RU-vid just like to delete my replies every time I do that. The algorithm probably thinks that I'm trying to spam people LOL. Get back to me and let me know if you found it or not, thanks and enjoy the video!

It goes even deeper than that. China and Japan both have their problems. The US knows that if China gets Taiwan it will pick a fight with Japan over islands it claims near Taiwan.

OR the US can just cooperate with China instead of starting trade wars and arming terrorist and separatist factions in China, while making chips on US soil

@M B 2.0 what Terrorist and separatist are you talking about? Taiwan has never been ruled over by the Communist party while Taiwan KMT party ruled over China. So stop spreading misinformation like anyone is believing it.

@@tyquonjackson7728 I'm talking about the East Turkestan Islamic movement the US just took off their terrorist list and is sponsoring. And yes, Taiwan is officially Chinese territory because the KMT lost the war. Even the US recognizes this officially 💀💀💀

@@MB2.0 Now you just made yourself look stupid now. The US doesn't even have any connections with east Turkestan China's borders making it impossible to even get into that location so stop with the lies. How China said there were terrorists but not once gave any evidence on it. And also the US never recognized China's claims over Taiwan. Go read our One China policy and you may learn a thing or two about our foreign policy. The US only said China was the one and only China and never said anything about Taiwan. It must hurt that China would never have control over Taiwan.😂

I agree. I especially liked that he prioritized the parts of Taiwanese History that almost never get mentioned.

Not really well researched and balanced. Asianometry is one of the best channels for info on micro chips and Taiwan. Neftchi and Shapiro's approach to research is to just copy others work and then seize on a couple interesting points and then extrapolate out from those two points. You CANNOT summarize Taiwan history or micro processor history in a 13 minute video.

Yes, but the narrator assumes US is able and willing to defend Taiwan when it is in trouble, while angering Beijing makes the island less secure.

@@cosmicdancer the US may be saying one thing officially, but acting differently. The commander of the seven Fleet have already said he is committed to securing peace in the Taiwan region. That basically means that if the shooting starts, he will act accordingly.

@@willywonka4340 he will not. He's not even willing to go to war with Russia for a fear of a nuclear war. China is more nuclear-ready than Russia, plus fighting China over Taiwan is not likely to be supported by NATO.

This channel always got a good punch line

@@rabbitazteca23 well, we'll have to see what happens next. But I firmly believe that us is very well committed to keeping Taiwan from the clutches of 🇨🇳.

He still didn't get "Sino" right; and one other huge gaff somewhere in there too, though I can't remember where at the moment 😐

I learn my pronunciation of distant places from Shivran; his progression translates into my progression.

As a German I ask, How so?

@@antonk.2748 He means Germany should strive for US induced wars instead of cooperating with neighbours like a person with common sense lol

@@antonk.2748 As an Austrian I think this is a good and fair question :) So, with all the warning bells ringing off in the last years, why has Germany opted for convenience (of dependency)? And dragged most of Europe with it. Again, I might add.

@@MB2.0 So you are my private exegete now? I'm not saying the U.S. carries no fault; they almost always do. But Europeans do not exactly shine with their foreign policy...

@@robertbarta2793 If the US was truly a German ally, it wouldn't have sponsored a regime change in Ukraine, and it wouldn't have pulled out of the INF treaty, thus bringing Europe closer to nuclear war while basically guaranteeing a war that would exterminate Germany's industry. They basically told Russia they're willing to put Nukes in Ukraine with that move, and Ukraine isn't even half as far as Cuba is from the US, and we all know how the US reacted to nukes in Cuba.

Perhaps it's the eagle that needs caging?

@@patrickcarney9177 Nope. China should be caged.

One could say the same for Cuba. And look how the eagle reacted to that move...

@@patrickcarney9177 why? It’s more like a bird trying to be free while china (the hunter) wants to shoot it down for no reason other than having it as a trophy set on its walls. Taiwan just wants to remain in peace with no Chinese influence but the Chinese can’t accept the fact that people don’t like them.

@@patrickcarney9177 Good luck with that.

The Japanese built the infrastructure of the island - the railroads. China called Taiwan Japan's unsinkable aircraft carrier.

The interior to this day is baron when compared to the West Coast. There's plenty of remnants of all periods left behind and there's no doubt that without the Dutch and Spanish making settlements there it'd have only been when the Japanese arrived that things may have changed.. but who knows if they'd have seen the potential if the Spanish and Dutch hadn't settled first. The Japanese period really did change everything by connecting cities etc too (The Japanese time was not as brutal as Japanese occupied China) our grandparents still speak Japanese too!

感觉很搞笑，谁对台湾影响大，台湾的习俗，语言，姓名不就是最好的证据么？

还有信仰，建筑

@@qsteven1262 That logic, UK can lay claim to big portions of the modern world.

And yet the people of the USA now find themselves without security or wealth and China now has wealth and security... I think wealth here is the better option, wealth begets security.

I take no joy in saying this but I think our conscripted Russian cousins who thought they were secure under Putin's leadership are finding that out the hard/terminal way.

It sounds similar because he robbed Franklin's quote and didnt give him credit.

@@MB2.0 Whatever, the quote is still valid.

@@paulohagan3309 yet it refers mostly to the US. Because the US is literally risking nuclear war over territory even it recognizes as Chinese. Picking wealth over global security.

even before chips, Mao only foreign policy is Taiwan.

想象中的战争和实际的战争总是存在很大的不同

Very important indeed! ITO EN Golden Oolong tea from Taiwan is the best! ITO EN Green tea is the best bottled green tea I've ever tried. For this reason alone, Taiwan must be protected at all costs! 😂

Thanks for the information

Facts. And Amen.

Thanks for pointing that out. I had the impression that the mainland only ruled Taiwan for a couple of decades. But it's more like two centuries. Also looking at the wiki article you shared, I get the impression that this was the time when people from Fujian settled in Taiwan (Fujian-Taiwan province) and how Fujian descendants are now a majority in Taiwan.

@@NurArafatShomik you’re welcome; even though it’s 200 years, I believe the rule was “loose”, unlike the Japanese later who saw its strategic value in its bid for East Asian hegemony

Don't they have a big homeless problem like a typical capitalist society

Defend it

There are more people living on the other side of the strait, and even Taiwanese graduates move there for better jobs and technology.

@@Waiting664 most people in Taiwan is from china. native Taiwan dont have any power in Taiwan. Defend it from what? the U.S already own the Taiwan puppet government. and any government who would side with white people dont belongs.

@@tritium1998missleading. Taiwan is far ahead in living standards, freedom, and riches

Hence why plenty more people didn't give up in the 1940s.

Not much to say. Bankers make money before, during and after recessions and crashes. The system is made for the handlers of fiat money, we are fools.that get played with.

You mean send your Filipino women to work as live in housemaids in Taiwan too?

Yeap. It seems like minor detail but make a huge difference

That's a very important detail, as the Kuomintang basically retreated to Taiwan, with the CCP never really having direct control of the land, which makes that "claim" all the more invalid.

The only way China and Taiwan can be reunited is under ROC rule

It's not about historic claims, that's just an excuse. But it's also not about democracy (lol, the US supported Taiwan even when it was an autocracy fyi), that's also an excuse. It's about where Taiwan sits. Taiwan is basically China's Cuba, and we all know just how the US reacted to having a hostile power just off of its coast. China will never allow that, even if means just destroying the island. Much like the US has crippled Cuba for over half a century now (again not democracy - the US got along great with its previous dictator).

Taiwan is part of "China", that's the official position in Taiwan itself. To be clear, there is no country called Taiwan and never has been, the island of Taiwan (which composes the province of Taiwan) is currently administered by the government of The Republic of China (ROC), which previously ruled all of the Mainland but which was defeated in the Chinese civil war and retreated to Taiwan in 1949. The island of Taiwan had been ceded to Japan in 1895 and ruled as a Japanese colony until 1945 when it was returned to the Republic of China after Japan's defeat in WW2. Taiwan has been ruled by the ROC ever since. The fact that Taiwan was returned to the ROC is considered good evidence that the ROC was recognised as the legitimate successor of the Qing Empire. In 1949 the communists on the Mainland declared the People's Republic of China but the ROC maintained that it was still the legitimate government of all of China (including the Mainland) and continued to be recognised by the US and Western allies until the 1970s when diplomatic recognition started shifting to the PRC. In fact, China's seat on the UN was controlled by the ROC in Taiwan until the 1970s; it's since been controlled by the PRC in Beijing. Even under the constitution of the Republic of China (which is the official legal document under which President Tsai Ying Wen and her government are elected), it is clearly stated that Taiwan is just one province within the ROC and that the ultimate goal is to reclaim the Mainland as the legitimate territory of the ROC. In fact, the national parliament of the ROC actually has provisional seats for all other provinces of the ROC on the Mainland but which are currently unfilled. In effect, there are two rival government regimes both claiming to be the legitimate government of all of "China" (which includes the Mainland, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan and the surrounding islands). It just so happens that one of the two (the ROC) only controls the island of Taiwan and surrounding islands while the other (the PRC) controls all the rest. And these days the ROC is unlikely to ever reclaim the Mainland so it (especially under the DPP) doesn't emphasise this narrative as much anymore. However, the "One China Principle" means that other countries may only officially recognise and have formal diplomatic relations with one of the two government regimes. Most countries (including the US and its Western allies) recognise the PRC, not the ROC. So in everyday speech when people refer to "China" they mostly refer to the PRC but technically it's not entirely correct.

Since the real power of the US Armed Forces stems from its logistical hyperpower-dom, all the decaying & neglected infrastructure is a real threat to the efficiency of American hard power.

Have you never been to New York? Snark aside, water towers are a product of their infrastructure era.

@Doug From what you wrote I can tell you are an intelligent person with an analytic mind but please step away from the Kool-Aid. The first part of your analysis is spot on and why China couldn't give up such a core interest. The US cannot win against China over Taiwan for this exactly reason because China will never give up a core interest while the US will eventually get tired fighting half way across the global for a peripheral interest. The second part of your analysis is purely American propaganda. You are thinking democracy in Western terms and that's not what East Asians want; we want prosperity, safety, and harmony regardless what it's called. Taiwan isn't a model for China and no Chinese would pick "Taiwanese democracy" over Singapore and Japan's prosperity, safety, and harmony. Therefore it shouldn't be a surprise China's model is Singapore. Looking at the US over the last 15 years, do you think there is any luster of democracy left for mainland Chinese?

Taiwan is like Iceland in GIUK in the Cold War. I also believe Taiwan's importance to the US is beyond semiconductor, but using semiconductor industry to convince American people why Taiwan matters probably is easier than "threat from ballistic missiles launched by Chinese submarine".

America's debt is no longer large enough to sustain another war of aggression

China and the US can race to see who can build more and faster aircraft carriers

US N Pacific Command like: This guy knows too much.

there's lots of things that Xi pooh bear doesn't like. Democracy, America, Japan, Jiang Ze Ming, Hu Jin Tao, etc... But ... I bet he likes 🍯 honey.

0:11 See how he doesn't say Taiwan, but Taipei... we all know usually what that means...

@@iamaloafofbread8926 or can be panic inducingly tantalizing if the sentence is constructed in this phrasing

Republic of China is the true China. People's Shitty Republic of China sucks, banning fb and youtube but do not wanted to ban tiktok

-10000 social credits

Which brings back to the fact it's is right there next to China. It has a higher standards of living with a higher gdp per capita and more freedoms. A direct threat to China's vision.

Same thing with Russia and Ukraine. Russia can't have a wealthy, democratic Ukraine next to it.

Except that HK never had elections under the Brits. Personally I don’t quite care who controls China. But I doubt even if the PRC and the ROC swap territories things would change much. It’s about maintaining hegemony over the world. Hence the geopolitical jostling.

No. The US allied with Taiwan back when it was an autocracy as well. Just as it supported South Korea when it was an autocracy, Cuba under their previous autocrat, Chile under an autocract, Gautemala under an autocrat the US itself installed, Saudi Arabia under an autocrat against a more democratic Iran, Pakistan under a military dictatorship against a fully democratic India, etc. etc. The democracy shtick is just a marketing tactic meant to rile up the naive. This has never been about democracy, just power geopolitics.

@@scratchy996 Russia was about the steady creep of NATO, not democracy. The war was literally preceded by a Russian communique to NATO. Russia has been asking for NATO to stop expanding for the last 30 years, and it did anyway. The democracy argument is stupid. Consider that democratic Armenia, being currently bullied by Azerbaijan, is supported by Russia, while autocratic Azerbaijan itself is tied to the west. Ditto between monarchist Saudi Arabia backed by the west in contrast to partially democratic Iran, or the military dictatorship of Pakistan versus the full democracy of India before. Stop falling for rhetoric. These conflicts are about power, not values. Values are just a convenient way to rile people up for them.

hope it wasn't raining lol

This is anti-ROC rhetoric if I have ever seen one.

Swap Taiwan for China and then this comment will make sense

CCP propagandas , again 🥱

Cool opinion. But they definitely won't do that. It would be like abandoning the bedrock of their foreign policy and how they view themselves. Not to mention that would provoke a military response from Beijing.

My heart agrees with you. My brain knows that this would be effectively a formal declaration of independence, and would probably trigger a Chinese invasion under their so-called "anti-secession law".

That'd be a good way of *accepting CCP's narrative of Taiwan being a rebellious province of PRC* . Sigh......

@@dy031101 That's preposterous. Taiwan has never ever been a province of the PRC. PRC has never governed the island.

@@dy031101 and if the PRC has never governed the island, what stops the U.S. from claiming all of China as U.S. territory? 😂