Why Tekken's Evo Champion Switched to Controller 

I have used the Hori Octa for about 3 years now. The Octa was originally designed for the analog stick to replace the digital pad as it has an octagonal gate (kind of like the Gamecube controller) hence the name. The dpad has problems with diagonal inputs due largely to the fact that the rubber contact pads are to large on the cardinal directions, they added a toggle in software that linearly ramps diagonal input sensitivity up to make it feel consistent. You still need to press harder than most dpads in any case. I made a mod (requires a 3d printer and disassembly) that fixes it physically you could also use card stock paper cut to size. Some other issues with the Hori Octa is that the dpad and analog stick are too close together and people with larger hands will collide with the analog housing rim when doing qcf movements for example. It has no right analog stick but L3 and R3 are default mapped to left shoulder and left trigger. The UWP app is hardly functional and has only ever received 1 update it can be fully controlled with the controller though when applying settings that functionality disappears, I would recommend using ReWASD for any changes you want to make HID's.

What's really cool is that it still has the 6 face buttons for players who play CLAW style. I've always seen players who play claw on a regular ds4 or ds5 and found it to look uncomfortable so this 6 face button style seems more comfortable.

i've been using the octa forever, the pad and buttons on it are GOATED. Highly recommend for anyone on or wanting to use pad

I also use the Hori Fighting Commander Octa and it's a fantastic controller. One very important word of advice though if you play claw and got big fingertips: the buttons are very sensitive and close to each other so fat finger accidents will happen if your fingers are laid sort of horizontally over the buttons, get in the habit of having your fingers more in an upright position over the buttons instead to minimize this issue. Lost a few games in the clutch turning 1 or 2 inputs into 1+3 or 2+4 because of that, even had a game where I downright looked super stupid inputting a ki charge when I went for a 1+2 input.

Phi actually made good lookin costume With shoes?!

I have recently bought and trying out the Hori Tekken Version Pad for PC, it is lighter than a normal pad. The button mapping is useful to set the default to the PS4/5/X box pad default setting, then work from there. As the default of the Hori button position is kind of strange for like the RB and RT, the 4 buttons on both top sides are also kind of off and different from a normal pad due to the extra 2 buttons on the front. In addition, you need the button mapping to switch off the default auto LSB on that is add to the stick button. I remap the 4 front buttons closer to the right side which is more like the normal feel of a normal pad, then the extra 2 buttons in front which are closer to the middle, I map as L3 and R3. Which are normally I use as 1+4 and 2+3 (Heat) during button setting in game. I technically use all of the 10 buttons of this pad in button setting in the game.

Remember controllers don’t matter much in the long run, it’s all about how comfortable you are. MD Luffy won a SF4 evo title with a ps2 controller. Initial D won a guilty gear tournament with a fucking steering wheel

At evo japan they were testing the hori octa with a different dpad so they're fixing the dpad issue

9:30 it completely checks out the new hardware thing, I come from playing a lot with my xbox controller and recently a friend gifted me a dualsense controller, I feel like im learning again with Reina, I have the theory and character knowledge, but that small change of position of the Dpad is really making me to learn again.

I just bought a leverless and bro just said its not good for tekken movement. fuck my life.

Is there a way to save practice settings for defense? it's really annoying having to do it every time

my biggest deciding factor in pad is if the dpad clicks or if it feels like im pressing on a pillow. The xbox elite controller is one i like alot cuz thin and "webbed" dpad that feels very satisfying and responsive to press.

I had to return mine 3 time to get one that registers diagonal inputs. But once you get a functioning one it’s good

I use an 8bitdo Sega Genesis 6 button pad that has 4 shoulder buttons for the XBox. For one it's much easier for me to do inputs on that pad. Two, for Steven I have the far right face buttons act as LP+RP and LK+RK which the two right shoulder buttons mimic. The left shoulders are for heat and rage. Some friends think my playstyle is somewhat odd because I play with thumb on the face buttons and don't understand how I'm able to do combos off of that or harder stuff because I'm literally using my thumb to press the buttons. But, it works.

Thank you for this video. I was thinking for a while to get that pad. Would be good if you could make another video when you get used to it. Thanks as always sir 🙏🏽

What a coincidence, I just ordered a Hori octa tekken edition yesterday. Excellent timing on your part.

Anyone know from which tekken version the song of this stage in the video is?

They need to make an update to the controller and prioritize the diagonals inputs more. I feel that the window of the diagonals is too narrow

I'm a Reina main on the same controller (Hori Octa) and honestly wavedashing is pretty easy. The main challenge is getting electrics as down-forward isn't as directly accessible as something like leverless, so lining up the just frame with an attack button can be tricky.

i would definitely recommend betop beitong c3 pad, cause it has diamond shape pad which is super useful df, db, uf, ub movements and it has 6 button layout as well

Dang that d-pad is actually interesting ngl especially with the many different options with the extra buttons but... The only problem with me is the pad itself cause it's gonna get a lot to used to, Not saying it's trash more so on personal preference cause my friend bought a d-pad that's similar in design to the Xbox D-pad and dang feeling the movement there is just weird af and for the record he plays melty blood so already if my air combos are getting messed up cause of the awkward feeling of the D-pad on that this one being reviewed on video will be hard to adjust too. But then again I'm playing on Ps4 Controller and I won't go to Ps5 cause when I tried it it's just too stiff for my liking both as an Mishima and a Bryan practicing micro adjustments. But yeah... if I do have enough money maybe I'll take that out for a spin cause for personal preference I don't do claw method plus I already have the Macro's ingrained that switching to claw is just too much work to do. Not to mention it's not gonna be comfortable for me so yeah... what an interesting piece of hardware discovered indeed.

I set the L3 button to "Down" (you can have multiple buttons do the same thing) so that I can KBD by keeping my thumb on "Back" and use my pointer finger to input the "Down," also very helpful for quarter circle inputs/wavedashing. Hold down the little options button until the red light starts blinking, and then you can reassign any buttons you want on the fly (no need to open software).

That’s crazy that just now someone actually realized what I always thought about stick vs pad controlers for Tekken. I’m an og Tekken player and even tho I never competed in any mayor tournament in the back of my mind I always felt like playing with the controller was optimal. I played against many people around my neighborhood and it was funny how they would all complain about the same thing that I used to dodge or move away faster than them lol. Could it be that I was better or maybe it could off been something else but regardless I kept it to myself for years lol

I use a mixbox I customize with SEIMITSU buttons. I got a peripheral called Odin made by layer shift. I feel like it helped my game play and got me used to playing the game.

I know its a bit of a selfish request but is it possible to as you to review the victrix pro bfg it's a modular controller with similar ergonomics

was waiting for this :0

Hey phidx,I play with a normal PS4 controller with the analog sticks flipped and I use both the dpad and right analog stick for movement. You should give it a try if you really don't like hand fatigue.super comfortable lol

You can setup directions on buttons, which is something really interesting for those cancel movements

I was playing with a stick and a week or 2 ago i pick up a hori fighting pad that i have a while ago and it feels very good , now im looking to get this version of hori pad

I use the Sega Saturn Pro controller and I love it for tekken. Mavercade leverless for street fighter

I have the Xbox version of the Hori and I am very content with it. D-pad isn’t the best but it sticks out more because the rest of the controller is just great.

LEZGOOOO LEVERLESS GANG

I got the Hori OCTA Commander for Xbox and was not a fan of the dpad. Switched to the 8-bit DO and I love it. The d pad is like old SNES style it’s great.

Dpad tends to get mushy over time and for me personally kinda digs into the corner of my thumb other than that quite a decent controller

Is it good for Mishima? Like for wavedash or chain Electric?

I bought the hori octa and absolutely hate the dpad lmao

Thank god Spero Gin didn't win Evo Japan

Sadly, the Octa didn't work for me to play Tekken. I couldn't adapt to the Dpad. But it's great to play SF 6 with the analog stick.

Should I go to ceo or evo?

I was thinking to get the octa pad too😂

started tekken 8 with this controller but use a razor kitzune leverless now

5:19 - What's the song? Sounds like something out of the Persona games

Dude i bought this controller a while ago on a friend’s recommendation and i couldnt be happier! This shit’s actually high quality. Never thought i’d ever be able to do a proper Korean backdash but this thing makes it a breeze

does anyone else's thumb hurt when they use a dpad? I tried Tekken using a ps5 pad, and i could only play like 15 minutes before my thumb start to hurt.

Yo Phi. You da man and it was amazing meeting you multiple times in our hotel lobby, but not too long ago, you and ur sister agreed that “in this house, we use lever.” lol!

Am I crazy for playing this game for decades and I still don't map any buttons?

The outro lmao

I also want to add that Chikurin also moved to pad as levers as well as sanwa button were to noisy which noise is an issue if you have children. I heard MYK say this. Not sure how true it is but it makes sense.

I gonna buy one ive been using jpn and kor stick for years but now i started using pad ps4 now ps5 pad but the dpad is not the same now but im defo definitely going to get this controler

theres another combo breaker?

Ah hell yeah, I was hoping for this. I was really interested in it because it's so rare over there, and ya know, it's chikurin.

Please follow-up in a week or two to show your viewers if there has been much wear or if everything is still consistently working.

I got a Hori Octa for Tekken 8 on PS5 about 2 months back. It's not perfect, but it's a definite upgrade on a Dual Sense. It's also not going to break the bank compared to some other fighting controllers. 8/10

Leverless gang graaaaah

I use that pad. Only drawback to me are the buttons are TOO sensitive at times so I do a lot of extra inputs that can sometimes mess me up. The d-pad is good, but I would like a clicky d-pad on this. I love the controller overall.

to me a big selling point is just that it doesnt have a battery, and still have some build quality, wich for some reason is so hard to find 💀

i use an xbox controller and i main DvJ and leo. I have my wavedashes down and i can electric semi consistently. i was thinking of buying the xbox version of the hori controller since it'll allow me to change the sensitivity of the df input and hopefully help me learn the just frame timing easier. does anyone else play a mishima on xbox or hori pad?

Hori octa boosted my offense (mapped all the button combinations so I can use whole moveset easily) and dropped my defense by like 15 points (can't hit that diagonals). I can do electrics on it kinda easily but hellsweep is impossible (holding DF instead of just rubbing the dpad through the corner). I don't know how I feel about this pad. I'd like a better dpad but on the other hand other 6-button fightpads have "fake" buttons since front RB and RT are THE SAME buttons as the ones on the shoulder. Hori octa gives you 10 buttons to work with, not 8 (+2 just copied to the different location). Probably need to do some 3D printing shenanigans to make my dream pad.

I don't understand how you're not getting constant diagonal miss inputs. Are there different versions of this pad with different build qualities?

You know it's gonna be a good day when phidx uploads, love your content man!

You should create an affiliate Amazon link for the pad.

imo its good for people with smaller hands and fingers. when i used this controller, my fingers would often hit the stick when doing electrics or getting a uf input if im doing ff moves to fast, dpad gets good after a while of playing, but not my type of controller. for mishimas i still prefer the standard ds4 controller

i think most pros arent using leverless simply because theres no point switching out of what theyre comfortable with. however, devilster plays leverless and moves like a god, so i dont subscribe to the thought of leverless being bad for movement

Heh! I picked up this controller back in Tekken 7 so I'm clearly better than Chikurin! (Kappa) The Dpad gets a bit softer with use, but do not waste time messing with it in the app, just remap the buttons as you find useful and leave it there. I moved away from it because I mostly play Mishimas and electrics felt inconsistent on it (not that I'm super consistent with them anyway). In particular things that require a precise df input feel like they fail randomly, like Heihachi's omen or PEWGF.

I dont get it! I tried leverless once and switched. I almost made it out of red rank after barely making it out of orange before.

That controller is for claw hand position so is the victrix bfg

I tried to tell ppl a full circle d pad with primary directions raised is great. I like it way better than a regular ps 4 controller. I still use a turtle beach xbox controller and it's perfect. Had the same one for freaking years.

I use a regular ps4 controller - but the micro usb connector is so unrealiable it seems. Any sudden movements(me spazzing) and it can easily disconnect mid match Anyway to work around it? Or should i just like.. Glue it to stick 😂

I tried out this out recently (a friend bought one). I really like 6 button layout on the face, since I play claw with pads. The controller is super light though. Other than that, it's a great pad. I also learned fight stick in TTT2 mainly play with Korean levers as well!

The d pad is insane

I bought the razer raion a few weeks ago and its dpad is not that good. I think this controller is probably better. Im gonna buy this one. Do you have any personal experience on this? @ PhidX

I absolutely love my octa. I hope eventually pad players can get as much attention/innovation to their chosen controllers like stick and leverless

I use this controller myself, its not great for quarter circle but I'm a Kuma main so no big deal.

I use ds4 wired to PC. It's pretty decent and seems to be more responsive than the wireless connection. Never tried the dual sens

Devilster is using a mixbox

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You should strengthen your ring finger so you can use 3 fingers for the six buttons

add a link to the controller

Imagine if Chikurin wins Evo with a Keyboard 😂😂

I find it annoying how the face buttons are not all equal. The bottom right button (heavy kick in SF) is slanted compared to the others simply because it is on the edge of the pad, I can get used to it but it's annoying. I have no idea why Hori seems to do this with their pads by not just making everything equal. On the fighting commander the same button presses in ever so slightly different, the membrane rather collapses instead of "pops" is probably the best way to describe it, this happened with two I had. Honestly I wish someone would make a really good tournament grade joypad up to the same quality as joysticks, there do seem to be some creeping onto the market so hopefully one with just a perfect pad and buttons can't be far off.

I tried claw style on the dual sense and it started killing my right hand after a while (specifically the tendons that go to my pointer and middle finger), definitely don’t recommend it

He’s spot on for movement fluidity on pads bs lever less. Pads are great for basic horizontal and vertical movement but I prefer lever less for input accuracy on both movement and attack buttons.

Leverless gang rise up!

Phidx! Do you use the ball or the tip of your thumb?!

I play on an Xbox elite controller and love being able to hit trigger buttons with my left hand.

as a pad player playing CLAW style, I use L1 as heat burst

I enjoy it but it has it flaws Ifeel like the Dpad can be wonky sometimes

For 30 dollars you can get an 8 bit do Sega Saturn style controller that I believe feels just about as effective as DS4, that which I also feel is the GOAT

I wish there were more fighting game focused pad options, there's different things about both the Sony and Microsoft controllers that I don't like and have been really disappointed in everything else I've tried. Really thought the Victrix Pro BFG was going to tick all the boxes but was a huge miss for me. This is still on my to try list but has been further down the priorities with the highly mixed reviews. Someone just needs to make like a good, modern Saturn pad or something.

I tried the commander octa. The dpad was awful for me. My fingers kinda fat so hitting precise commands was not good. The buttons however were very nice. Then i noticed i had an xbox controller laying around. Won it when i went to evo last (2021?) And its just collecting dust. Curiosty took over and ill be damned. Best dpad ive ever tried. The buttons are average but thats fine. I claw grip

“leverless in general is not that good for tekken” proceeds to play pad as if it’s a leverless

I feel buying a lever-less/stick is a must nowadays since 1. Pads are horrible quality and break literally in a few months even with the hori alpha the pad has had multiple inconsistency in diagonals and how long it last. I’ve played pad my whole life but its way to costly and inconsistent in the long run.

my biggest issues with the Octa, as a Razer Raion user, are the d-pad being so small and the micro switch buttons. The micro switches actually make button presses slower, which is good if you play claw, but you wouldn't need to play claw if you had sanwa style buttons like the Raion.

I think as T8 progresses and we see new players topping and winning events we are gonna see more leverless players winning tournaments

I agree with the sentiment that movement is whatever on hitbox. Another thing hitbox is just okay at is mishima stuff like electrics and wavu. Specially on P2 side.

Hmm, before switching to leverless, I was using the Xbox version of this Hori controller, and it’s not bad, definitely a bit cheaper build quality, but not bad at all. That said, using the leverless is such a superior experience for me in both Tekken and Street Fighter that it’s a huge step down trying to go back to a regular controller of any kind at this point.

i returned that dpad. it sucks but if you compare it to ps5 its great. the xbox onne dpad is still my favorite. super responnsive, clicky and tactile 8 way direction

Wanna know what's f'd up? I play on a stock Xbox x|s controller... My left hand thumb hurts

just looking at the dpad I can tell it is shit for mishimas

Hi phi it’s Jiyo again, I saw only one in stock here Tokyo lol