I felt like Endgame Thanos has different intentions which was super cool because I felt like he was a hard bad guy to dislike because he genuinely felt like what he was doing was right. This time, it was personal.
He also learned from mistakes he hadn't made yet and actually changed his plan going for something more ambitious and deadly, showing a change within himself that is far more power hungry and possibly becoming more like his comic counterpart.
Can we also talk about the more immediate problem? He killed half of the living stuff, including plants, and guess what? Other living stuff eat plants! He just narrowed the primary food of the leaving creatures!
Thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!!! You have no idea how much it bothers me that people are like “well... Thanos has a point” and all I can think of is “ARE THERE NO SCHOOLS WHERE YOU CAME FROM????” seriously??? I learned about that at about 12-14yo!!! Also, if he killed half living things he would (1.obvious cutting down food supply), but also there are A LOT of endangered species that would go over the no return point and go extinct. Want an example? A LOT O WHALES!!! I hated that scene...
I get the motivation that drove Thanos in IW, but even with the somewhat empathetic view of his goal in that movie, I never once believed that he seriously cared about the people affected, only the stats. To the point that, even on my first viewing of IW, I don't believe that he should have been able to earn the Soul Stone the way he did. He should have thrown himself down the cliff because his love for himself ("I ignored my destiny once") overrode whatever brand of "love" he had for Gamora: if he'd truly loved her, he wouldn't have chucked her off the cliff like that for the reasons he did. Anyway. I didn't find Endgame!Thanos inconsistent with IW!Thanos. In IW, we saw his perspective. In Endgame, we saw his victims' perspective. He may have had his nicer moments, like his gentle first interaction with young Gamora, but he was never not a mass murderer.
yes there would be repopulation but I think Thanos was thinking that people would see how having less people helped with resources and implement their own population control.
Has anyone ever thought that "The Snap" actually rippled through time into the future, like that was the time stones function in it, so that when a population get's to big, some more people would be dusted? And that's why he said "It will always be done."
I just found this video, but really, I talked about this in the Biology class I teach. Used the pyramids and everything. The students nailed those questions on the EOC because of it.
In Infinity War Thanos is consistent, calculated and in control, and not what would typically be considered mad. His madness comes from two big holes in his logic: (1) he's projecting the state of his own planet at overpopulation crisis point onto the entire universe, which for the most part would not be realistic, and (2) his logic cuts off as soon as he's completed the initial snap, which, obvious ethical objections aside, is only a short term solution. It makes for quite an intriguing new depiction of madness.
The quote that he "would shred the universe down to its last atom" didn't make him a generic villain to me. He realized that no matter how good he makes everyone's lives, they'll try to undo it. So he had a Matrix like idea. He was still the same Thanos to me.
Was thanos with the infinity gauntlet weaker than thanos without the gauntlet in infinity war thanos had some stone when he fought tony but tony was able to make him bleed but when tony, cap and thor fought the second thanos they weren’t near defeating him
I thought the move made it seems like 80% of the population was wiped out in some 'street scenes' 5 years later. And then I wondered how Audi made that new car with half of their engineers potentially MIA.
however, thanos's sadistic "solution" is, it is the most realistic way to do it. Doubling or tripling or etc the resources would lead to deflation and inflation + stopping the development of modern society. Repop would happen way slower than redevelopmemt of society.
(Regarding whales) He probably snapped intelligent life. Otherwise he also snapped out 50% of agriculture and livestock, which is incredibly counterintuitive to thanos’s plan
I think him loving Lady Death would be better, people call Thanos a ''mad titan'', him doing it for Lady Death would make more sense and it would be more ''genocide'' on his part than trying to ''save'' 'planets from hunger. In 2021 with the arrival of the movie ''Eternals'', people are speculating that Thanos' plan was actually to prevent the birth of the Celestials in the universe. But then, why destroy the stones???????? As the years go by, people would reproduce again, so the birth of the celestial happens anyway?? It doesn't make any sense! Even though his real plan was to stop the celestials, destroying the stones and dying already makes his plan a big and utter failure. Anyway nothing makes sense, his ''plan'' has many flaws whatever the plan is.
Is this really a theory? I always thought that people liked him because like tony in ultron, he seemed to be a person who was motivated by a great fear and let that guided rather than his head.
Eh I have one question about Endgame Loki steals the cube when ant Man and iron man fail so what happened after that I mean he could have altered history Wright
The thanos plan for reducing the population and ending suffering throughout the universe would never work as you stated that from the 70s to the 2010s the population doubled giving us only 50 years until the population returned to prior snap levels. The resources in that time would be the same but without a vast population before the snap, most resources would be wasted. Not used or stored. In that time resources may be used for the better and new ways of creating resources would be made but in endgame we saw people in a state of grief and pain not thriving. The scene in the diner with smart hulk shows some parts of the world may continue as normal but only at a fraction. the United Nations would collapse overnight as well as NATO, FBI, CIA, MI6, MI5, KGB.
There’s a trillion people I haven’t killed, just you wait, just you wait, when he was ten his father died, mother cried, but he just wanted to wipe out half the planet make em half dead, he killed his own mother, also brother, and then he succeeded in infinity war.
Thanos' plan was that after he did the snap the remaining people would live happier lives and as a result would realize Thanos was right and keep their populations low on there own. The fact that this didn't happen is what convinced young Thanos to destroy the universe and start from scratch. The only reason Thanos thought his original plan would work was his ego making him think people would appreciate getting their loved ones turned to dust.
This is why I hate that they changed him to be closer to an anti hero than a straight evil villain. If y'all don't know in the comics he did the snap to try to impress embodiment of death (yes death is a character and is a woman) like that's it. That's pretty much the only reason why he did it and it didn't fry his arm or hurt him in anyway, I'm not sure why they did that in the movies.
Not only that, but resources is NOT the reason why poverty even exists, there was people dying of hunger in the 70's and there's people dying of hunger in 2019 and there was enough food for everyone in the 70's just as much as there is now, what makes people starve and experience extreme poverty is waste, colonialism and war. Wiping out half the population only helps people with extreme wealth who already hold all the power to take extra advantage of the ones who will really struggle throughout the crises. Thanos is blinded by his own delusions of greatness.
But by doing it he shows it works to help solve the problems so people will have less kids. People may or may not actually do this but it's what his plan is
Hmmm but didn’t he cut in half the population of the entire universe? This could affect half of the population of earth but that’s not certain or very likely... not that this would really affect Thanos’ plan but that would also have to assume similar birth rates from earth onto other planets etc.
@@natewind please elaborate on what you think the correlation between lack of education in economics and being a member of the left wing movement is. Also for context,what country are you from?
Alina Squidwiki United States, id bet. It’s always the Americans who are extremely ignorant and bigoted when it comes to politics. I can say that because I am also American. It’s my everyday life here. If it’s not right-wing reaganomics or Milton Friedman’s Free market-based economy, then it’s communism or socialism. Not a whole lot of room for in between here. Speech and religion may be “free” but ideology was never part of that, and considering the amount of terrorist attacks we have happen in this country over petty ideas held by people with no power to do anything about them but a lot of desire to act on them, maybe a freedom of ideology wouldn’t hurt. Who am i kidding? It would start a civil war. We hate each other in this country. Really do. Hate ourselves and our neighbors and our kids and our parents and our bosses and our brothers and sisters and our friends and our car and our jobs and our banks and our insurance companies and our doctors and our houses and our businesses and our government and our voting system and our infrastructure and our food and our water and our air and our beds and our schools. Would have been easier to list what we don’t hate: our military and our guns and our bombs and our knives and our technology and our drugs and our alcohol. Bout it.
@@ProjektTaku Watch this, its actually pretty interesting. Thanos is wrong, from his ideology to the execution of his plan. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iV18Xx5EkaE.html
There’s not enough food Thanos: Don’t worry I have the infinity gauntlet and have compete control of the universe Great now you can use it to create more habitable planets remove air and water pollutants, have infinite renewable energy and food supply Thanos: Yes genocide is clearly the answer Wait what!?
Not to mention that he also reduced food resources by half since he killed all living organisms. I was screaming all of this at my TV the first time I watched Infinity War
Jordan B people’s population might be set back a couple 100 years(ps I know I’m not exact) plant population might of been set back a couple thousand and animals another couple thousand there are more plants and animals then people
Paul Magrich are you joking 😂 chickens take 45 days to be raised to full grown and eaten plants take months cows a couple of years humans would probably need 200-300 years maybe faster depending on infrastructure. one plant can also have thousands of seeds throughout its life and i don’t think humans would be concerned with repopulating fast either
He was also wrong in saying that there weren’t enough resources. There are totally enough resources but they are not evenly distributed. Think about how much food is wasted everyday. So there is totally enough it just needs to be better managed.
Good point! Also, he could easily recycle waste products. Perhaps create new planets from space dust, where certain populations can be relocated. Or even rewrite the laws of the universe itself. Maybe tweak sentient lifeforms' DNA so everything can survive off less. Anything would be better than literal genocide.
The greater problem is that for species that survive mostly or entirely on meat, the level of relative resources stayed exactly the same. If his concern was really altruistic, why didn't he just... You know. Double the amount of resources? The infinity stones don't just control the universe through some inexplicable "gamma" power, they're literally holding the universe in your hands. Within their home universe, the infinity stones when gathered together can do just about anything. Either Thanos was accidentally written to be a complete idiot, or this theory is accurate.
@@LawrenceAdams13 I don't think so. In the comics it was stated that 50% of animals were erased as well, and that was also confirmed to be the case in the movie. That means that 50% of livestock were also erased. Unless you're suggesting that everyone convert to being majority vegetarian, but aside from that not being the optimal diet for humans and presumably human-like species, _plant_ life would also decline at a relatively rapid pace because 50% of the pollinators would _also_ be gone, under the assumption that the 50% was taken equally from all species. With less people to tend fields, crops would die faster than they could be replaced, until those resources leveled out into something sustainable relative to the population. In the end we'd be in the same place we started.
Jonathan Matheny I could’ve sworn that tree was there, I might be wrong but I think it was. I think the reason he went there was because the audience was shown birds that weren’t there before and the sun shined brighter.
@@RealogOnlyBrodie Nope, if you were paying attention, Hulk brought back every living being that was snapped away safely. That means, anyone who was dusted in places like aboard aircraft, on construction sites and in submarines would be brought back where they would be relatively safe. Not completely as Far From Home showed, what with a marching band member appearing before getting hit by a dodge ball, but safe enough that lives wouldn't be needlessly lost.
Back in the early DSL days, I watched the beginning of the Azkaban trailer about 30 times before it finshed loading ... This reference is emblazoned in my memory! 😁
He also killed over half the population. Car wrecks, unattended kids, plane crashes, train crashes, kids left alone at day cares cuz the babysitter got dusted and their parents never came to pick them up, cruise liners losing half their staff. Construction site accidents from missing workers, ships crashing into docks like in Jurassic Park 2, senior citizens and special needs people left without caretakers, pets left unattended. Thanos DEVASTATED these planets leaving half of us vulnerable to the dynamic disappearance of half the population
Also does Thanos not realize that killing half of the organisms in the universe would greatly destabilize every society shifting most populations from a stable growth to an unstable growth, as well as result in the death of far more people than 50%. Plus wouldn’t killing ALL organisms only help vegans, he would also be cutting the food resources in half.
Wouldn’t really help vegans when suddenly everyone is eating their food and all the animals that pollenate or carry the seeds are now gone too. Plant life dies. So no. It helps literally nobody. The dead people are probably helped better by this than everyone else left.
Also even if human population was cut in half, the technology in food production would still leave the population multiplying exponentially. In nearly, we litterally made it to our current population, from 2.5 billion in 1960!
That extra death toll is the only reason it will work for long enough to do some good for those who remain. Even with an exponential birth rate, if suddenly the resources are laid back for a while, the planets population will do the same. The resources will eventually come back, but the population will lag behind. That might take 5-6 hundred years. That's a pretty good achievement for a single lifetime.
Without the death of Gamora he definitely was a different Titan. You could tell by the way he fought and talked to his opponents. And when Captain Marvel destroyed that space ship you could tell by then he was definitely starting getting a little bit sad again. Until he died.
The only think I didn't think about was that this could be spoilers. Once J said something about spoilers I comment I'm seeing Endgame next weekend so I can't watch this vid rn.
Thanos : well, now i can finally live a normal life since i turned half of the universe to dust! Mouse (in end game) : I'm gonna end this man's whole career!!!!
You touched upon something that bugged me. Thanos snapped away half of all life. Half plants for half the plant eaters for half the carnivores in the universe. There would be no net gain.
Yeah, I was thinking about that. Living organisms, or at least everything on earth, can only survive by ingesting other living creatures, even if they’re dead before. So basically after the snap we are back to around the same amount of food per person and Thanos did nothing but genocide
@@jwonjwonk1777 Nope. They say specifically that it was half of all living creatures, & when they reverse the snap, one of the first signs that it's worked is that there's birds outside again.
it was said that he snapped away half of all living creatures, and i'm guessing plants doesn't fall under "creatures" but the false logic still holds once the population grows
AdraicStarks Bird are sentient, so his point still stands. Better evidence would be if we could see trees and crop fields reappear, but we don’t. Still, I believe the snap wiped out all living organisms, they just didn’t show that.
i've always thought thanos was a narcissist who was good at manipulating people into bending to his will. the sympathy for him honestly bugged me. he's a great villain, yes, but his plan is in no way understandable and he was never doing it "for the right reasons". he was just good at making you think he was selfless. thanos was manipulative and abusive through and through, with nebula and gamora being prime examples of this. definitely a narcissistic sociopath. which, imo, makes him even more compelling of a villain for a movie like the avengers because to me, there is no remorse in him dying which makes for a huge win for our heroes.
That's pretty much why I thought that Endgame Thanos was entirely of the same cloth as Infinity War Thanos. Bullies who like to pretend that they are acting "for your own good" can turn on a hair to nakedly nasty if you dare decline their "generosity".
@@AhmerAbbasi456 but halfing all living things is getting rid of resources as well the only living things that don't consume living matter are plants microorganisms.
Also, can we talk about the fact that some of the planets that had half their population disintegrate might have not really had a big population to begin with? Like some planets may have been relatively new, and only had like a couple hundred or thousand creatures on it, making the decrease in half of them unnecessary and maybe even harder.
And let’s not forget the populations he had already culled! Imagine finally recovering from a horrific traumatic event where half of everyone you ever new or could know was slaughtered, and then just having half of everyone that’s left dissolve before your eyes. *shudder*
melsoft121 that definitely happened to the asgardians, just imagine how they felt, and It’s hard to not expect Thor to go into a depression so hard after all that had happened to both his people and his friends and the last person he called a family.
Does anyone want to talk about how Tony and Bruce's decision to bring back the lost half population to the five year future would cause even more problems than Thanos' culling in the first place? Cause here's how this scenario time-line should work out with population dynamics, economics and geopolitics accounted for: 1) Thanos kills half the universe's population. Another good chunk of population is going to die in the immediate after from things like pilots and first responders and people in charge of safety events dying. 2) many political and economic systems start completely falling apart. Half of government gets killed off, so lots of power vacuums all over, and trade grinds to a halt. Oh, and remember, he killed off half of all life, so half the food supply is gone too. 3) Power vacuums will fill, either by rioting or military force, so a lot of conflict over resources that used to be available but the people who made/traded them are dead. 4)But after 5 years, there should be a bit of stablization. Some nations would probably have quelled there unrest and gotten food supplies lines operational. World is just barely starting to work normally with this new population 5) but now, you suddenly throw in another 3.6 BILLION PEOPLE to this world that is already hanging on by a thread. How many of those people are going to starve because there wasn't enough food. How many people will go to war because they suddenly woke up in a post-apocalyptic world that has no place for them. The chaos caused by this reintroduction of billions of people on one planet alone would be nearly as if not moreso devastating than the snap itself! There would be coup de tats and resource wars almost immediately.
Well remember that technically half the food that disappeared with the 3.6 billion would reappear with them so starvation might not be as prevalent as you might think. But who knows? Maybe they'll dive into the consequences of reversing the Snap in future movies.
True but now at least for earth they have the resources and people to go into space and trade with other planets. So it may not be just earth on its own. Some humans may now be able travel to other earth like planets, some already vacant. Thanos's world "the garden." Looks like a good start for a farming colony for some brave humans to start.
Can you imagine? They replace the lost governmental leaders then the old ones just... reappear. Doubt the constitutions have lines for what would happen in that situation.
Just thinking of Thanos hard work throughout the millenia: Step 0: Snap for Eternal life Step 1: Snap the universe Step 2: chill in your garden for a couple decades Step 3: repeat from Step 1
If the gauntlet can affect time and space, could he not just snap once and have it cull the population of the universe every 3 months? Or 3 years, or 3 decades?
buciallstar I honestly thought he was gonna do that. I was shocked when he destroyed the stones like...really? Obviously people are just gonna have kids and the population will increase back up to the original level. If he was serious about this he should have done something like in Mass effect with the krogans and the the genophage to decrease birth rates. Wow I thought Thanos thought more about his plan than this
Cheri Berry yeah, which might have been the original idea when they referenced it in the first avengers movie when thanos was see the first time and one of his “sons” referred to challenging the avengers as “courting with death” and thanos smiles.
Thanos be like "I'll wipe out half of life" Remaining life be like "Let's Breed Some More" Thanos be like "Nooooo, it was all for nothing! Everything went back to the way it was in a few generations!"
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You don't get it? Thanos likely assumed that they would be smart enough to know that they shouldnt reproduce more than before just to fill the gap and recreate the overpopulation Problem. The Plan CAN work, it's just that he didn't asked anyone and the other races don't Play along. But yes, the solution could work, if all had agreed on it.
He snapped away all sentient life. Animals were snapped but plants and such remained. Culling animals is also mostly fine because most of them reproduce at an extremely fast rate relative to humans
What’s your name man? Alexander thanoston My name is Alexander thanoston And there’s 3.6 billion people I haven’t killed But just you wait, just you wait
Varietygirl1 tbh, I couldn’t make an accurate judgement right now seeing endgame as little as I have. And frankly I’m still fanboying a little bit especially with cap and Thor I gotta calm down before I can decide
THANK YOU! Oh my gosh, I've been saying stuff like this since Infinity War came out and people are like, "He's the *Mad* Titan." And I'm like, "No, that's not madness, that's stupidity." In the comics, he's mad: actually, incredibly, mentally unstable. Here, like you've said, he's cold and calculating and logical (as best as he can be). He's acted fantastically, but he's hardly who he was in the comics.
