Why the Adeptus Mechanicus Codex disappoints you. 

Problem with points reductions is that it doesn’t make the faction/units any funner to use.

The current admech army is so large already, dropping the points turns it into the largest horde army in the game

Vehicles to BS3. Allow 20 man skitarii units. Design a heavier tank for us with more weapons

AdMech is already sitting just over 1.2pts per dollar, reducing them any more and they go from being prohibitively expensive to comedically expensive. Which, I mean, they nearly already are.

A basic problem is: The Army isnt even fun to play. Rolling lots of dice and dropping half of them because of WS and BS 4+ feels bad. And all the other mechanics - disembarking from a transport, thee need of a battle line unit next to your unit, getting stealth as a bonus after it was taken away before - don't feel rewarding, they just punish you for failing the setup. And why did nearly all the characters loose the ability to repair vehicles or units next to them? That would be a kind of theme, a faction identitry

The real problem is that the rules pigeonhole admech into a horde/immobile gunline but all the elites were writren as melee skirmishers who now have nothing to do because nothing really benefits with them doing so. A great example of this is Serberys Raiders. 8 and 9th ed, part of the reason you took raiders over hounds was because Tactica Obliqua was a stratagem/rule they had where they could react to charges by retreating, making it harder for your enemy to capitalise on trapping them and then slingshotting their way to the backline, which made them excellent melee screens as well as decent scouts for objective play/scoring on top of getting easy access to shooting rerolls. Now they only get it at the end of non-charge movement and you have to end close to a battleline and you don't get access to rerolls so good luck killing unless you have a lot of them

All admech units will cost like 10 points by the time this edition wraps up. I have no faith in GW making big changes to army, detachment, and unit rules in a printed codex. Not to mention, they probably make more money off points decreases.

Would’ve loved to see a HQ to join to Sicarian units instead of stilt boy

Well as of right now, I will not be buying anything for admech. Which sucks, as this is one of the reasons that I got back into 40k. They really do need a complete rewrite at this point. I would give props to GW if they did come out and say that they screwed up with admech, but I don't think that would happen.

Here's my take. The design team went in with the goal of removing bloat to improve onboarding and blunting the killing power so games were less about tabling and more about scoring. However I believe somewhere along the factions they lost sight of this primary goal and didnt double back to compare their first work to their last work and see if it still held true to their main design philosofy. Design goals can change along the way sure, but at least have the courtessy/ throughness of applying the new modified design goal to previous prototypes. Admechs codex/ index felt and still does feel like its a prototype.

This situation demonstrates once again the utter failure of printing army lists for a game constantly in flux and expecting players to drop AUD150.00 on broken books and cards.

AdMec is a joke. Whoever in GW did them must be FIRED IMMEDIATELY. And GW needs to rewrite them ASAP like in a couple of months time. THey are unplayable and I refuse to spam 1 unit only to play a game! Why did i buy so many different models ? So I play only Breachers ???

The biggest issue with me is it is not fun. Last game i tried the stealth detach rule against space marines. That forced me into sitting in my deployment zone so i could get heavy and try to destroy enough of his models so i could move onto objectives. So my movement phase took 10 minutes. Most of my guns are low volume shots so shooting took 10 minutes too. So the game was me watching my opponent play. Rolling saves and removing models. He dominated the table and almost tabled me by turn 3. I destroyed 3 basic marines and did some damage to his vehicles. Not fun. The rules are so conflicted. So Dunecrawler gives battleline models 4+ invuln. But also had heavy with 2 shots and blast. High strength. Neutron gun. Makes no sense. The rules are encouraging me to stay still for heavy. Move with battleline. Shoot at vehicles cuz high strength. Shoot at horde infantry because blast. A random throwdown of rules

They designed admech to decide between surviving and losing and trying to play the objective game and losing its a no win situation

I am convinced GW is trying to kill all interest in this army, ever since their time in the sun at very early 9th edition, it has been all down hill. They are systematically making them the one of the hardest armies to pilot with how may restrictions their rules have, while also being underwhelming rule wise, in addition to making them more and more expensive with price rises AND points cuts, AND they are not giving us any interesting models.

It may well be that Ad Mech are going to mainly be an army for the casual and narrative side for a while.

Honestly, they should probably make the doctrina imperatives apply to all of the units but also consider something like having conqueror also add the lance keyword to melee weapons and make the AP not just limited to ranged. They should probably add something defensive to protector like units without ranged weapons gain stealth instead of heavy or some other defensive buff. Also they should probably make the deployment zone part of each also apply to when in objective zones to make them a bit less lame. (Other options than lance would be excepted as well, just hard to spit ball a good option when they have the sheets behind a paywall now)

Physical rules books with the amount of changes they constantly make, makes little sense as a player but unfortunately for us as players it works as a business model for GW. Digital rules that get updated and tweaked makes much more sense that rebooting every 3 years.

Yeah, the dragoons, etc have always seemed to want to come in large units, but priced like dreads.

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The tech priests cant even heal vehicles or mechanicus units...

Thoughtful video thanks

I am a new Ad Mech player as I decided to start them for an escalation league at my LGS. I have to say, the codex is disappointing, but I still think there are some builds in there that are good. To me, the best way to fix it, is to give the army more access to re-rolls. With BS 4, you need re-rolls to get consistent damage output for a shooting army. It's either that or drop the BS to 3 for everything, which I don't think they will do because of the doctrines.

I have a lot of issues with it really. A good example is the vehichles. Ignoring the fact that we only have access to 2 tanks as a faction that builds armies, our tanks are seemingly over resilient? All whilst having pitifull damage output. My onager can be insanely unkillable but the the overall damage ends up being more like chip damage, you need sit it in your home objective or the back line to keep heavy. Obviously it's melee is shit so it's not like you can run about charging people. The enginseer makes it even more resiliant with absolutely no benfit beond that, and is the only *tech priest* that can repair things. It feels like there were just a bunch of blanket nerfs thrown over Admech, then a bunch of blanket changes that were game wide. The change to D6+1 damage that is seen everywherebeing a good example just ends up doubling up. There seems to be a fear of GW to give admech anything that makes them stand out, and the weird tankiness that is currently a thing was just by pure accident. The meta units again feel like a complete accident, and I have a strange feeling that armies of 4 units was probably not what they were going for. There wasn't a design behind what is currently available, there's no character. 9th admech was a rule salad but the webs of buffs and consistent shooting balanced by poor survivability and adabability made it interesting. Even if they weren't exactly very good by the end

I don't like hoardmech, i want an elite army. I want more units I didn't get any. I want robots, I get gimpsuit stilt man. Who is a crappier more expensive vindicare. OH AND ITS FRAGILE. our rule still doesn't effect our whole army, so they give us detachments to cover for it. And since you mentioned castellans, they are crap. Thier shooting is terrible, the only good thing is their fist, but they are so slow using it is difficult., i love admech but I'm not having fun playing. Ill take a shit win rate if I'm having fun. The codex is broken, badly.

My take is that AdMech sort of struggles in the writing and it ends up translating to weird choices for the tabletop. They can't use the old tech from 30k because its "corrupted with heretical scrap code" They can't use new tech because how dare you make something new you heretic. What you're left with is a faction that essentially has "stagnant" as one of its key features. What the authors need to do is put Cawl in charge of the entire mechanicus and lets see some new abominations being manufactured. A few heavier units and some weapon choices for captain models like a rifle for the skitarii marshal or some such would be a neat option. I'd love to have a thanatar siege automata for something bigger too. Barring that we need the AdMech heavy tank too. Something with 18-24 wounds and a big ole chonker of a gun. Praetorian skitarii would be neat. Servitors coming back would be nice. Basically we just need datasheets that aren't just copies of other datasheets.

Reducing points vost has a limited utility. The army just feels horrid. Turning it into a horde army feels fucking bad

AdMech seems like a really tough sell these days. My impression of this was that the community leveled so many complaints about codex creep in ninth edition that now we get armies that are *too* reasonable upon release and come to us pre-nerfed, essentially.

admech into DG is some crazy matchup. DG chooses -1WS/BS aura and can use smokre/flies gem to give you -1 to hit. so you hit them on 6s :D

What's the likelihood that they'll change the rules and the points with an update?

I never hate on the studio guys as they are always under the thumb to grind out content to time limits. No, I'll save all my bile for GW marketing, all problems stem from there.

i love the desighn and lore of admech so much its sucks that the army is this bad in the actual board game

Im completely new to the game, but I would like to know more of allied battling, my friend has now some space marines and tyranids, so would it work if there would be like tyranid+genestealers vs space marines+adeptus mechanicus or templars+mechanicus?

2:25 minor correction. The Tau also have this issue. The Tau army rule doesn't apply to Kroot or Vespid. kind of a bummer if you want to run lots of those units.

Incredible likeness to DJ Khaleed in the thumbnail

At timestamp 9:45 you mention that it's in print before the index. This is a point I've seen a lot of people make and I'm not sure I agree just based on what we've seen. There's been several instances where the index had blatant incorrect rules, which were fixed in the codex (first that I have at the forefront of my mind is the kastellan infantry fiasco when datasmith was attached, I don't believe that was added in after the fact). I understand that the timescales are long for publishcations, but it does seem to be backwards from what makes sense in the rules being odd in the index, but attempted to be righted, in the codex. Otherwise thanks for the vid, I'm still going to try to find something interesting to run with my cogboys that isn't 27 chickens...

Im new to 40K, how often do dataslates happen? When can we expect a next one ish? Ive read on warhammer-community that one is in the works but nothing about time

There are 2 fixes for the army. one is a quick fix. the other is more granular but better. fIX 1. Add the following rules to the army rules: Conqureror improves ws by 1 Protector improves BS by 1. It means you can lean really heavily into ranged by standing still but at least you'll be hitting on 3's but you'll miss that AP. Or you'll lean into meelee and worse shooting for more Ap. Fix 2. Improve the bs and ws on select units. Essentially all units.

Admechs problem is that they have awesome models with boring and lazy rules.

Ye there factions rule is weird and not efekting whole army is weird and half of them efekted is combat units. If they had the Protector imperetive give +1hit in combat when being charged. And conquerer be 1+ hit in combat when charged. 9ed codex had buff debuf/buff you picked. That fealth nice.

This Codex is so confused with itself. It wants to be too many things and doesnt have the strength or amount of unique models to be any of them. Not enough preists, robots or elite units. I also hate the karaphron models. I dont want 40 of them.

Only 2 of the detachments are decent

If a big dataslate returned most of the Skitarii units to BS3+/WS3+ and increased AP values on a lot of things, the army would become vastly more playable. Specific datasheets that could be transformative if buffed: -Cawl, who is a joke right now -Both tanks, which hit like wet noodles -Ruststalkers. If they got +1S, and +1AP on their melee, with a return to WS3+ (as they should always be) they could actually be rather impactful Generally the army rule not applying to a lot of the army, the bad WS/BS, lack of re-rolls, and total lack of melee buffs, need to be addressed by GW befofe the army will feel playable. Even in games I win agaibst weaker opponents, Admech feels miserable to use right now.

The doctrinas are bad and the rest of the rules suffer for it. "Just buy more" will not fix the issue.

Just a poor codex poor powers and gins and usless powers limited range of units

How important is lore to rules design? Admech IS a BS 4+ army in fluff....im not prepared to boost them to 3+ just to fit in with admech players head cannon....id be ok with their weapons hitting harder, but not more often

Custdoes one does not affect all units in the "book" since they don't have a actual book just yet. Sisters Of Silence get nothing, not warlord traits, strats or any special rules really.