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Why the Fighting Didn’t Stop for Greece After WW2 - The Dark Reality of a Deeply Divided Nation 

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In this video, we provide you with an overview of the Greek Civil War, as well as an intimate insight into the Macedonian side of the conflict you definitely haven't heard before.
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0:00 Introduction
0:46 Invasion of Greece
1:46 Resistance
3:11 Civil War
6:12 Deadliest stage of the war
7:37 Story of a refugee
9:38 End of the war
10:44 Conclusion

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@waveygravey3575
@waveygravey3575 2 года назад
Sad reality is the fighting didn't stop for a lot of countries just because Germany and Japan surrendered.
@nandinhocunha440
@nandinhocunha440 2 года назад
After WW1 nothing really stopped. It was just civil wars and wars
@ZeroResurrected
@ZeroResurrected 2 года назад
For half of Europe, the war did not end because they were still in the hands of authoritarian regimes
@Shadeem
@Shadeem 2 года назад
war never changes, nor end, peace is just a pause
@deusredeemer
@deusredeemer 2 года назад
TITO WAS THE ONE THAT INVENTED AND PUT THE "MACEDONIAN" IDEA INTO THE MIND OF SLAVS ...FOR OBVIOUS REASONS ...
@tomaszzalewski4541
@tomaszzalewski4541 2 года назад
The reason being Bułgarian claims to the region if anybody wondered
@catfood_03_4stray
@catfood_03_4stray 2 года назад
The uneducated slavic populations of Macedonia claimed a "Macedonian identity" long before Tito and the Greek Civil War. My grandmother - from my mother's side - spoke the Slavic idiom of Macedonia ( now being the official language of North Macedonia ), an idiom spoken by the Slavic minority of Macedonia ( that became part of Greece after the war of 1912-1913 ) and called them "Macedonian". There is a fact of mixed population up there and instead of being ( this population ) an binding element of cooperation and multicultural example, it became the bone of contention and the trigger of the "Macedonian issue", that exacerbated right after the Yugoslavian Territory called "Macedonia" became an independent nation ( Greece claims - justifiably- the term "Macedonia" as part of its history and Bulgaria claims the whole population of this very country as Bulgarians ).
@nezperce2767
@nezperce2767 2 года назад
@@catfood_03_4stray bulgarian 1900
@titobandito1555
@titobandito1555 2 года назад
Lol
@nezperce2767
@nezperce2767 2 года назад
@@titobandito1555 you are right. Alex real name was alexandrovich phil was philipovich and olympias was olympic airways. Proof 1They match with the time of arrival in the area. 2 on their coins there is the head of each one and the name in cyrilic alphabet. Your name is found in texts a bit earlier. Pericles epitaph subparagraph 40 an international greek word beginning with an m......
@user-ry5vq8wy6z
@user-ry5vq8wy6z 2 года назад
They don't speak "Macedonian" they speak Bulgarian and they are Bulgarians. Macedonians are Greeks .
@user-xh5pc3wd2m
@user-xh5pc3wd2m 2 года назад
they dont even know what they are.. i think they are slavs with bastardized language from alban serb and bulgar languages
@Anonymous-kj2io
@Anonymous-kj2io Год назад
LOL @ the master of education 😆 🤣 😂 1440 they spoke Macedonian long before "greece" became a state in 1829 thanks to England
@Anonymous-kj2io
@Anonymous-kj2io Год назад
They have "greek" villages which have been Macedonian for 500 plus years 🤔
@polltegrais6457
@polltegrais6457 Год назад
pretty sure macedonia and greece were separate states for over 10k years you just happen to take it by force 100 years ago
@georgealevriadis897
@georgealevriadis897 Год назад
Also about population,in Greece Macedonia the he slavs was minority and very small,the land we took from turkey and the population was turkic and Hebrew mostly,byt after the minor asia destruction,Greece and turkey exchanged populations and since then greeks are the 99 per cent of the population ,so we took before 100 years from turkey and had mainly turks , Hebrew and greeks and some Bulgarians who spoke Bulgarian language and not macedonian and mostly also exchanged by the greeks of south Bulgaria,and if you go one musium and see ethnographic charts which are actually printed before world war two you never found any macedonian people you see turks ,greeks and Bulgarians which as you go northern they became the majority as in south was the Turks and after the exchange the greeks and thats all folks
@panagis1
@panagis1 2 года назад
as a greek teen i've heard a lot of stories from my grandpa who is now 88 years old.when WW2 began he was 5-6 years old and live in epirus which is pretty close to the albanian border. He told me many things but he almost always pointed out that when the germans came thats when hell began cause from what I understood the italians did little to no damage.So when the germans came they came in greece thru epirus and ironically very close to my grandpa's village.When the axis took over greece the germans would often take much of my grandapa's food which was not much and left.It is also worth noting that my grandpa had 5 siblings so food was really essential.There are many stories but pretty much my grandpa's family sirvived with bread ,cheese and milk which came from their goat.after WW2 things took a turn for the worse.My grandpa wanted to go to school so he decided to move to a city which close to the village but not close enough that his parents could visit.Because he didn't have any money at that stage he was staying at an orphanage.So 1 night so people came in the building I believe they were communists and their objective was to kidnap the kids and send to communist countys like yougoslavia alabania bulgaria and the list goes on.So when the kids were inspected to see which ones were fit enough to come a soldier told my grandpa to kind of bend down and look smaller so that the chief would leave him alone and let him stay in greece.That soldier had also given my grandpa his spare boots cause he was walking in the mud and in the spikes barefoot.after then my grandpa ended up staying in greece thanks to the advice of that man but many others were not that lucky and they visited greece again only when the ussr collapased
@billert_bone5663
@billert_bone5663 2 года назад
Epirus Brother💙
@kostiszamanis6096
@kostiszamanis6096 2 года назад
Epirus brother 💙
@gregvassilakos
@gregvassilakos 2 года назад
My father's family lived near Gytheio on the southern Peloponnese during WWII. My father described the difference between the Italians and the Germans this way. If Italian soldiers went into a shop, they paid for what they wanted with counterfeit money. If German soldiers went into a shop, they just pointed a gun and took what they wanted.
@alexanders.170
@alexanders.170 2 года назад
Interesting Story! Thank you for sharing! Eventhough the video has it's flaws regarding it's way of presenting, I think what it does Well is to say 'germans' not 'Nazis' or anything like than. Because in the end, I presume it was Wehrmacht Policy executed by 'normal' soldiers...
@Protein967
@Protein967 2 года назад
Stop lying malaka.
@johnryder1713
@johnryder1713 2 года назад
After acts of heroism by the Greeks such as the Pilot Marinos Mitralexis, who when his PZL 11 was outta Ammo flew on a Kamikaze run into an Italian Bomber, baled out and landed nearby to take the survivors prisoner and march them to nearby Greek positions, it makes anyone sad to hear how divided the country was when they were finally free
@nikosk3080
@nikosk3080 2 года назад
Thanks to G.Britain and Winston Churchill personally.
@andrewbrindescu6666
@andrewbrindescu6666 2 года назад
Yes. And the Brits end it in blood bath.
@GuinessOriginal
@GuinessOriginal 2 года назад
You can thank the CIA for that
@johnryder1713
@johnryder1713 2 года назад
@@GuinessOriginal Would it be the first time you could thank the CIA for something like that?
@rixter69
@rixter69 2 года назад
It was a failed communist coup It was a failed communist coup On one side were only Greeks and on the other, communist Greeks, Albanian,Bulgarias,Skopia...Isnt Civil War
@kostakatsoulis2922
@kostakatsoulis2922 2 года назад
My grandfather lived in Athens during the Civil War afterwards, ended up immigrating to Canada. Thanks for covering this!
@TheFront
@TheFront 2 года назад
No worries
@dogfrosinos70
@dogfrosinos70 2 года назад
My grandfather lived near Athens through Ww2 and immigrated to USA during the civil war
@user-pw2bw7fu4x
@user-pw2bw7fu4x 2 года назад
From where your family root derive?
@mariosmatzoros3553
@mariosmatzoros3553 2 года назад
@@thotslayer9914 Why would he?
@andreav318
@andreav318 2 года назад
My grandmother came to the US due to the civil war.
@user-vn5xj6yc9p
@user-vn5xj6yc9p 2 года назад
There are not many videos on that topic, excited for this one!
@TheFront
@TheFront 2 года назад
Hope you enjoyed it
@praos143
@praos143 2 года назад
@@TheFront It's actually not very thoroughly taught in Greek schools either so it's a double bonus !
@tomnewham1269
@tomnewham1269 2 года назад
I read that Hitler had no desire to invade Greece but after the bungled Italian invasion decided to invade Greece to save face. Also the largest Greek population outside Greece resides in Melbourne, Australia.
@commandergeokam2868
@commandergeokam2868 2 года назад
Now the most Greek population outside Greece lives in the US
@user-gu9qj7tw4k
@user-gu9qj7tw4k 2 года назад
More to not leave his backdoor open for an Allied reclaim over the Balkan. If he went straight to USSR then maybe the Brits would have landed and got him from behind
@tux407
@tux407 2 года назад
I’m Greek from Melbourne :)
@Tefera-hf8fw
@Tefera-hf8fw Месяц назад
@@tux407 that sounds weird
@christermi
@christermi 2 года назад
I feel like there was much talk about "Steve", and less talk about the Greek children that were forced to leave Greece (some argue that it happened for their safety) and the actual destruction that the civil war caused (the economy, the deaths, the growing divisions inside Greek society, etc.), which were only briefly mentioned. Good video anyway 👍
@antimimoniakos
@antimimoniakos 2 года назад
Another one myth by the winners of civil war. Those were children of antartes/partisans.
@Jovan_Jarkarane
@Jovan_Jarkarane 2 года назад
Communist's kidnapping child's during the war and senting them into military camp's in Yugoslavia and Albania. Let's say it straight
@nikosk3080
@nikosk3080 2 года назад
Let's also talk about the child mass of Queen Frederick.
@charlie8344
@charlie8344 2 года назад
Well they needed content
@samryan180
@samryan180 2 года назад
@@charlie8344 I find it just as interesting as harriet tubman. Both are just individuals in a larger narrative that are singled out to help personalize the historical issues
@panos617
@panos617 2 года назад
"If the Greeks never fight ech other, they would have conquer the World" Otto von Bismarck
@colinmcdonald2499
@colinmcdonald2499 2 года назад
Bismarck pretending that the conquests of Alexander the Great aren't common knowledge :-)
@johnskrelnik
@johnskrelnik 2 года назад
Greeks fought vs Macedonians not vs themselves smh
@sergeant_chris6209
@sergeant_chris6209 2 года назад
@@johnskrelnik most supporters of the communists were still greek.
@O_Tade
@O_Tade 2 года назад
I think that was said for the Spanish
@indeofidemus
@indeofidemus 2 года назад
„I am firmly convinced that Spain is the strongest country of the world. Century after century trying to destroy herself and still no success“ - Otto von Bismarck κοφ' τις μαλακίες
@LaRotte1234
@LaRotte1234 2 года назад
"were speaking Greek and not Macedonian". Hurts my ears to hear
@weirdo9958
@weirdo9958 Год назад
What are you trying to say "macedonian identity doesn't exist. Now days "north macedonia" was named vardasca Tito gave them the name macedonia to get access to the aegian sea "macedonian" language isn't real ether they speak a dialect of Bulgarian
@MichalisG1821
@MichalisG1821 2 года назад
I commented on your previous video about how Greece resisted the Axis Invasion - Spoke of my Great Uncle who was a forward Medical Officer and his experiences during the war. I mentioned that he saw action in the Civil War but never went into depth about it. To give background - My great uncle fought during the Greco-Italian War, where he acted very bravely, and thus was on leave when the Germans invaded. After some time enduring the occupation in his own village, he managed to rejoin the Army in Exile and in 1944 he returned home with his unit. When the Civil War broke out, he of course went to both fight and save lives for the King's Army just as he had done during the War. Before he died he told a story from the Civil War to several members of my family - myself included as I was a boy at the time. At one point during the Civil War, my great uncle was working at a field hospital in Epiros near the Ionian coast. There was heavy fighting happening further inland, and they had a lot of casualties coming in from the battles. There was an Infantry Officer that my great uncle was treating who was mortally wounded, and it was soon realized that the man wouldn't survive. The officer asked my great uncle if he was going to die and asked him to please be honest as a fellow Army Officer. He told us that he decided to tell the truth, that it looked as though they wouldn't be able to save him. The officer thanked him for his honesty and produced a photograph of him and his young wife together. He told my great uncle the name of his village and his wife's name, and asked him if - when the war was finally over - he could take the photograph back to his wife in the village and tell her that her husband loved her in his last moments. My great uncle agreed, and not long after the Officer died of his injuries. Sure enough when the Civil War was over, my great uncle attempted to honor the Officer's final wish and find his wife. He went to the village to try and find her, only to find that she had been killed during the Civil War too - executed with a number of other inhabitants by the Communists. He told us that he saw many terrible and disgusting things during the war - that he would never forget the horrible feeling of having to fight against his own countrymen, and how different it felt from actually defending Greece from invaders like the Germans or the Italians. In his own words after telling that story: "That still fucks me up today." Let us never forget what divisions can do to even the most courageous of people, and the most resilient of countries. Let us never forget what they saw in those dark years, and may we never let such a terrible thing happen to our country again.
@tsampa13
@tsampa13 2 года назад
As a Greek who studied modern history in the UK, this is a very good video. Impartial and to the facts. The biggest mistake of the communist party was to abstain from elections and use force to take power. These actions led to the pardoning of greek colaborators and turned public opinion against them. Slavs living in Greece were suppressed, its true. But the majority of children were transported against their will. I know stories of Greeks living in Poland, they were given german homes as Stalin pushed borders westwards and evacuated all germans. By the way these slavs were not macedon as they did not have such identity as a nation. They were descendants of Bulgarians, who we fought in two balkan wars and two world wars. Also the historical macedonia of Alexander the great was different than the geographic borders of today that macedonian land is shared between 3 nations, thus the confusion as one has the monopoly. In Greece we do not learn at schools about the civil war or the 1967 dictatorship so as not to scratch old wounds. The persecution of communists and exiling them in islands was brutal, but was the price to be paid as a defeated, looked down as traitor.
@nezperce2767
@nezperce2767 2 года назад
If you only go back a bit furhter you might find out much more
@nisiotisparis2583
@nisiotisparis2583 2 года назад
As a Greek who has also studied history abroad at the University i would kindly ask you to cut the crap and keep the propaganda to a minimum. The KKE (Greek communist party) had ONE objective, and that was to cut of a huge slice of Greeces territory and to make it satelite state of the soviet union. The whole "poor persecuted communist people" fairytale is part of the narrative that was adopted by the party in order to promote the victimization process. There are quite a few books about the atrocities commited from the guerrilla army of the poor communist party. They really liked to burn down villages , rape women, execute people and kidnapp children.
@nezperce2767
@nezperce2767 2 года назад
@@nisiotisparis2583 indeed. One thing though. Recruiting villagers, even by force, had a specific characteristic. Most of them they ware uneducated, farmers that had never left their home but just once. When they ve fought turks italians or germans or bulgarians a bit earlier in time. People easy to be manipulated by
@SwfanredLotr
@SwfanredLotr Год назад
@@nisiotisparis2583 I can relate to that. Here in Spain our socdem government wants to rewrite our history regarding the civil war by showing the republicans (communists, anarchists, socialists, catalonian separatists, etc) as righteous fighters for democracy against fascism and poor victims of Franco's regime while trying to implant a law that forbids any apology towards the nationalists, while ignoring all the catholic and rightwingers brutally murdered by their militia or even during the years fo the Republic at the hands of the leftists. Its embarrasing.
@johnsoulou9720
@johnsoulou9720 2 года назад
My grandfather fought the Fascist in Albania, the Nazis in Egypt an later in Italy alongside the Canadians and then the Communists with their Slavic Allies. So a big thanks to all the men and women who fought to keep Greece free and Democratic.
@user-ss3qo3gd2z
@user-ss3qo3gd2z 2 года назад
was he part of the 3rd mountain brigade known as the Rimini brigade?
@Jim89M
@Jim89M 2 года назад
''free and democratic'' lol
@johnsoulou9720
@johnsoulou9720 2 года назад
@@Jim89M what's to laugh about?
@kenhart8771
@kenhart8771 2 года назад
Yeah and now these socialist fascists are running the WEF with their politicians puppets bring The Great Reset alive.
@DaimonaC
@DaimonaC Год назад
@@Jim89Myes free and democratic as it can be but still better than communist shithole
@Gk-ug6gu
@Gk-ug6gu 2 года назад
Civil war is the darkest page of Greek history. And no one want to speak about it. It's like taboo. Even in schools we skip this part.
@dimitrisg45
@dimitrisg45 2 года назад
Yeah and they don't learn the crimes of the Communists .
@jupiterkarma1021
@jupiterkarma1021 2 года назад
You could cover the Italian civil war and it's dramatic consequences, this would be very interesting like this one
@TheFront
@TheFront 2 года назад
Will have a look into it!
@SarsTheSecond
@SarsTheSecond 2 года назад
@@TheFront Next video should be about Yugoslavian mass murders after the War.
@eminemeatingmmswithotherem5879
@eminemeatingmmswithotherem5879 2 года назад
An important insight is that many of the nazi collaborators during the occupation fight in the side of greek state as a result the gained amnesty and never punished for the crimes during the occupation Another aspect was many people accused as suspected communists even if they were not. Just like my grandfather sister who fled to Tashkent in order to avoid persecution. You could search the validity of these events
@aris9560
@aris9560 2 года назад
same here. my grandpa was pointed out by a jealous neighbor and was executed by communists in June 1943. His crime? he was a soldier and policeman before the war and was seen as a threat to the upcoming communist gov. After hearing a million stories about killings on both sides I still can't believe that Greeks were consumed with such hate, and killed each other like animals. WTF?!
@redalert1288
@redalert1288 2 года назад
My grandfather was a commander in Elas during the ww2 and in Democratic Army during civil war. The husband of my grandmother was a soldier in Greek army during the civil war. A whole family devided. I heard too many stories about second world war and the german occupation about the rebels in the mountains, the traitors, the hunger but when i start ask about the civil war everybody avoid to talk. They just say ''mistakes. mistakes, mistakes from both sides that we are paying until today''.The slavs of Florina area dont speak macedonian, they speak a bulgarian dialect and of course they are macedonians only in their dreams.
@MrThessalonikiman1
@MrThessalonikiman1 2 года назад
@@bobthetree5935 Claims of pseudo-language are claims of land and identity in the Balkans.The concept is this, i claim myself to have your origin and ID and then claim your home and replace you.The so called Macedonian language and identity were a creation by Tito and the communist attempt of the USSR to influence all Balkans. Albania Yugoslavia, Bulgaria Romania were all part of influence Greece was off ,so they equipped and supported Greek citizens as partisans with communist ideology to do this.
@weirdo9958
@weirdo9958 Год назад
@@bobthetree5935 Macedonian identity didn't exist back then "north macedonia" was named vardasca the only reason they have this name is because Tito wanted access to the aegian sea. A dialect has with a few differences from the first language but you can understand what someone with a different dialect says to you
@user-fw2oo9fg1b
@user-fw2oo9fg1b Год назад
Πως έλεγαν τον παππού σου, καί που υπηρέτησε
@fotis1964
@fotis1964 10 месяцев назад
By saying this you call their offsprings Bulgarians which is wrong. Bulgarians were turkmongols same as their language.
@Estelleeeeee
@Estelleeeeee 8 месяцев назад
@@bobthetree5935 But the Macedonians are the Greeks, the macedonians spoke Greek as we do today. Calling a foreign language macedonian,giving it a greek name is a bit outrageous don't you think? They spoke slavic in Macedonia Greece, as they speak slavic in their country now. It's like u are saying they speak Greek but they dont. Macedonian language is Greek and Greek is macedonian and we are the Macedonias, living in Macedonia Greece and we will identify as such ,cause this is our region and out ancestors were also Greek and not slavic. Their language is south Bulgarian dialect and you can ask any Bulgarian about it.
@apmoy70
@apmoy70 2 года назад
Unfortunately, Steve's story is wrong, the Partisans and the Communist party did not promise a "state within a state" (sic) but a secession of Greek Macedonia & Thrace and the creation of an independent Peoples' Republic according to the Yugoslav or Albanian pattern per the decisions of the 5th national committee of the Communsit Party of Greece. This led to the voting and implementing of Emergency Law 509/1947 that considered those who aspired or enforced the secession of Macedonia & Thrace, as perpetrators of a "High Treason"
@carlustin4034
@carlustin4034 2 года назад
That was innitial plan of Tito and Stalin . Ib 1948 they split.They wanted Balkan Socialist federation with equal by territory and strength states .So they needed Macedonians state as conterbalance of stronger Greece , Bulgaria or Serbia. Russian imperial doctrine modified by communists. Weaker dependent states
@MuffinManUSN
@MuffinManUSN 2 года назад
@@carlustin4034 I'm following you. I know you have no videos and don't post content. But I dig your seeds planted in these comments. Consistent with wisdom, general knowledge and the desire to help us all in sharing that. You are a Human Being #Pride
@MuffinManUSN
@MuffinManUSN 2 года назад
Oh Communism. How she looks so good on paper, and 2 AM just hits all too soon and time being the snitch she is leaves no doubt that the mistakes in implementing have become far too embedded to reverse in simple regime or Operational structure such as within Russian systems of today. .... why can't we be better without so much destruction? Sad 😞
@googlesmostwantedfrog147
@googlesmostwantedfrog147 Год назад
When you find out the same Central Bankers control both Russia and the United States you will see why the Greek Civil war happened
@MrThessalonikiman1
@MrThessalonikiman1 4 месяца назад
This is the most accurate comment in this video.
@chrisnissyreos1039
@chrisnissyreos1039 2 года назад
My grandpa was 16 then when the communists forcefully took him from his home but he managed to escape and go to Athens.
@aris9560
@aris9560 Год назад
mine didnt. Kidnapped and killed in June 1944 as revenge for some relative who was targeted by communists but escaped. Left his 7day old twins behind him. The shadow of the civil war is too thick still
@georgekaragiannakis6637
@georgekaragiannakis6637 2 года назад
Thank you for a good analysis of the tragic Greek civil war. One important point to make is Tito supported the Greek communists because in return the communists would cede Macedonia and its strategic port to Yugoslavia. The big game for Tito was Thessaloniki and access to the Aegean. Many innocent throughout Greece suffered, not just in Macedonia but also in Peloponnesos.
@ghost_1153
@ghost_1153 2 года назад
True
@johanlassen6448
@johanlassen6448 2 года назад
Classic Serb tactics then. What I am curious about is why Greeks keep insisting on the Slavs being their friends.
@madPAOKI
@madPAOKI 2 года назад
@@johanlassen6448 Only the Serbs... We fought together for the liberation from the Ottoman empire alongside the Bulgarians, but the latter turned on us after we pushed back the Turks and they tried to occupy Thessaloniki.
@NickStrife
@NickStrife 2 года назад
@@johanlassen6448 Slavs and Greeks are a complicated matter... Some specific moments in History they are brothers in arms and some others bitter and sworn enemies.. And there are many reasons for that... I would need to write a 2 walltexts it explain it all.. And then you would still have questions..
@johanlassen6448
@johanlassen6448 2 года назад
@@NickStrife No, its a simple matter. Greeks let themselves be fooled by nonsense talk about "Orthodox brotherhood". Name me one time that Serbia ever did anything for Greece. I can name you plenty of times when they did things against Greece.
@johnryder1713
@johnryder1713 2 года назад
I heard a quote once that 'no one kills Greeks as good as Greeks' and isn't that such a tragedy, that in thousands of years of heroism, someone let ideology get in the way of freeing their country for them all
@thesoundinyourhead1782
@thesoundinyourhead1782 2 года назад
This quote is totally true. In Greece there are even poeple who work for turkey's interest and I'm not kidding...
@johnryder1713
@johnryder1713 2 года назад
@@thesoundinyourhead1782 Unfortunately I could find out what wise man first said it
@redalert1288
@redalert1288 2 года назад
Its a ancient curse. Greeks fight each other in the whole Greek history. They started in pelloponesean wars. In the revolution of 1821 against the Turks had two civil wars. In ww1 there was again a civil war. Even their ancient Gods was devided in two sides that fought each other. Its the easiest thing in the world to put the Greeks fight each other. P.S. I am Greek.
@aris9560
@aris9560 Год назад
Greeks have always fallen victim to ideology. Citiy states, Byzantium, 20th century politics, sports teams... you name it and we'll divide in 2 camps and fight over it haha
@manavein8870
@manavein8870 Год назад
What you call 'ideology' was our right. If our leaders abandon us and Greek Communists fight, why do we get singled out? Because the UK/US didn't want Communists in power.
@alexfatgee5559
@alexfatgee5559 2 года назад
My grandfather was a teenager still alive 92, our village kratero refused the communists. They killed the church and town officials razed it to the ground for 3-4 years my Papou lived in a military camp.
@greekcommie621
@greekcommie621 2 года назад
Kratero in Florina?
@tomaszzalewski4541
@tomaszzalewski4541 2 года назад
All in the name of their hypocrites in power. When the so called people's government turns on the people - they are not better then the other side
@pangout8534
@pangout8534 2 года назад
That was the true face of communism in Greece. Either you were with them and they let you live or if you opposed them they forced you to join them or they killed you. I have a similar about my own village in Peloponnese
@PakBallandSami
@PakBallandSami 2 года назад
"Recognizing and accepting both the responsibilities and the opportunities leadership offers you is a significant step in your development as a leader." -Kevin Eikenberry
@victorthimm8263
@victorthimm8263 2 года назад
I remember how my grandpa would tell me how he found his brother dead in a ditch, when he asked some people said he was caught saying socialist things. What they didn't know though was that his brother was mute his whole life so his death was irrelevant. The greek civil war also reminds me a lot the Spanish civil war.
@condedooku9750
@condedooku9750 2 года назад
I am Spanish and as such I do not see many similarities between the two Civil Wars beyond the fact that there was a White side and a Red side, that both sides committed horrible atrocities and that they were supported by external countries, although I am curious to know in what you see resemblance with all sincerity.
@nikosx6905
@nikosx6905 2 года назад
7:52 "they were speaking Greek and not Macedonian" there is no Macedonian language like there is no Athenian or Spartan language, you are referring to the Slavic population in Macedonia (region of Greece) which spoke Slavic mostly Bulgarian language, what you said is historically inaccurate destroys the whole meaning, Macedonians are Greeks and live in the Greek region of Macedonia.
@antimimoniakos
@antimimoniakos 2 года назад
You are willing to give greek slav lingual people to Bulgarians in order to avoid Skopia. This is huge mistake of greek politics because Bulgarian nationalism is greater than Skopian. The language of Bulgarians was turkish and they changed it to slav were spoken to villages near Thessaloniki. Bulgarians were not slavs so modern Bulgarians must change their name or stop calling themselves slavs.
@nikosx6905
@nikosx6905 2 года назад
@@antimimoniakos We got to start from something and we can continue from there.
@sick1mind1
@sick1mind1 2 года назад
You get back the ancient Macedonian history (as you should) and we get Macedonia back within Bulgarian borders, I think it's a fair deal. Also, the Slavic culture and population almost completely assimilated the incoming Bulgarians (who were not Turkic but that's another topic) so we can claim to be as much Slavic as the Czechs or the Serbs.
@sick1mind1
@sick1mind1 2 года назад
@@EthnikoPneuma Alright, we have a deal
@limboprime4008
@limboprime4008 2 года назад
I assume you haven't heard macedonian and Bulgarian then
@kourtourafi
@kourtourafi 2 года назад
It is obvious that research has been made in the process of making this video, however there are mistakes and omissions. First of all, it is not mentioned that the civil war that followed the three-fold, Axis occupation of Greece (German, Italian & Bulgarian) was actually the first episode of Cold War (although a hint is made). Within the frame of the conflict between Britain and USA endorsed and supported monarchists - governmentalists and members of the EAM - ELAS organization, the will of the Greek people was totally ignored and the country was used as a... lab rat, for the implementation of new policies, new doctrines and ultimatelly new weapons (e.g. who knew that napalm bombs were first used in the Greek Civil War at the expense of the DSE?). Second, the use of the term "Macedonian" to describe the slavic community of Greece is scientifically unfounded and historically arbitrary - to say the least. Macedonia is a territory, a region if you will, which includes parts of present day Greece (the biggest part), North Macedonia and Bulgaria, thus there are Macedonians of Greek and Slavic ancestry. There is no Macedonian ethnic group. I'll stop here although I could mention more.
@maxdiak5954
@maxdiak5954 2 года назад
The first recorded us of napalm was in the pacific theater in ww2 against the Japanese
@user-gu9qj7tw4k
@user-gu9qj7tw4k 2 года назад
@@maxdiak5954 first recorded use of napalm was in Greece during the Civil War in the battle over the Grammos River, it was the final blow to the DSE. Maybe the Japanese got a taste of a primitive corn of the bomb, but in Greece America used the final form
@nickmavro9412
@nickmavro9412 2 года назад
For one reason the authors they delete my following comment? Either they have something to fear or they have a reason to disiminate wrong information. If someone reports it then they have to prove why? This video Lacks historical clarity when automatically omits the crimes of ELAS committed just on the first round against ordinary Greeks that occurred even prior the Athens ELAS mutiny of December 4, 1944. Around 53 plus thousand Greek citizens were exterminated by ELAS- EAM-OPLA during the Red Terror of 1943-44 in Nazi occupied Greece and that just on the first round of the Greek civil war. As far as calling them Slavic Macedonians and why they chose ELAS as their savior against the threat of the Greek state due to their called pseudo "Macedonian culture", the author of this quick produced video fails to distinguish Slavic identity with real Greek historical events that took place in the region since the start of the 20th century and the crimes that were committed by the Bulgarian Axis power during the Nazi occupation. Not to forget the atrocities committed also during the Greek Civil War by communist dominated Slavic SNOF organization that actually composed 70 percent of the Greek communist army at the last stages of the Greek civil War. Everything is documented if someone doubts . Facts are sacred comments are free. twitter.com/DrRadchenko/status/1487292421809618947/photo/1 Sergey Radchenko @DrRadchenko More on the Greek civil war. Markos Vafeiadis recounts the difficulties of recruiting troops for the Communist army. Says (in a letter to the Soviets) that recruitment in 1947 had a "forced character". "No more than 10% of recruits joined the army voluntarily."
@kourtourafi
@kourtourafi 2 года назад
@@nickmavro9412 You bore me to death; the usual one-sided, myopic... narrative. Nothing new...
@nickmavro9412
@nickmavro9412 2 года назад
@@kourtourafi Facts are sacred comments are free
@kostazlatinis
@kostazlatinis Год назад
The photo of "Macedonian villagers in Greece in 1947" is in fact a photo of greek sarakatsani (nomads), judging by their clothing, and due to the fact that the baby is my grandmother with her brother peaking on the left and her cousins on the right, her auntie is holding her.
@southernsun25
@southernsun25 Год назад
My grand father was a resistance fighter for ELAS and his Brother a lieutenant of the Greek army. The civil war torn families apart and in same places it still is a very painful memory
@kostakatsoulis2922
@kostakatsoulis2922 2 года назад
BTW for those who don't know Hellenic is another word Greeks often use to say they are Greek.
@aftastosk6016
@aftastosk6016 2 года назад
Everybody knows the word Hellenic in our days. But not everyone knows that Skopjans are not Macedonians, so there is still some work to do.
@indeofidemus
@indeofidemus 2 года назад
@@aftastosk6016.....οκ μπρο
@aftastosk6016
@aftastosk6016 2 года назад
@@indeofidemus μπρο να πεις τον κολλητό σου
@cpttankerjoe
@cpttankerjoe 2 года назад
And public schools don’t even bother to tell you about the Greek civil war
@Jovan_Jarkarane
@Jovan_Jarkarane 2 года назад
Nah they don't because they are arguing that its a very ""sensitive"" thing and a tragedy for Greece . But if Communists had won the war they would celebrate it with a parade every year till today
@pyrothefriendlyarsonist9195
@pyrothefriendlyarsonist9195 2 года назад
They hardly talk about any Hot Spots in the Cold War They would skip Korean War and jump into Vietnam, not talk about the Cursed Soldiers groups of Polish Home Army who resisted the Communists, Hungarian Revolution, Bay of Pigs, Red Scare, African Conflicts
@cpttankerjoe
@cpttankerjoe 2 года назад
@@pyrothefriendlyarsonist9195 we talked about Korea for a few days but that was it. It’s almost as if they are washing the history books of any communist wrongdoings while exaggerating the fascists and democratic wars and wrongdoings.
@pyrothefriendlyarsonist9195
@pyrothefriendlyarsonist9195 2 года назад
@@cpttankerjoe my school skipped Korea and went into Vietnam
@dimitrisoikonomou3568
@dimitrisoikonomou3568 2 года назад
Unfortunately its a very sensitive matter and most history teachers being politically biased, prefer to not go in deapth.
@gregvassilakos
@gregvassilakos 2 года назад
When you drive through the Peloponnese, you come across monuments to WWII atrocities. After visiting one of these monuments, I asked my father how his brothers could own German cars. His answer was that the Greeks did worse things to each other after the Germans left.
@nickmavro9412
@nickmavro9412 2 года назад
This video lacks historical clarity when automatically omits the crimes of ELAS committed just on the first round against ordinary Greeks that occurred even prior the Athens ELAS mutiny of December 4, 1944. Around 53 plus thousand Greek citizens were exterminated by ELAS- EAM-OPLA during the Red Terror of 1943-44 in Nazi occupied Greece and that just on the first round of the Greek civil war. As far as calling them Slavic Macedonians and why they chose ELAS as their savior against the threat of the Greek state due to their called pseudo "Macedonian culture", the author of this quick produced video fails to distinguish Slavic identity with real Greek historical events that took place in the region since the start of the 20th century and the crimes that were committed by the Bulgarian Axis power during the Nazi occupation. Not to forget the atrocities committed also during the Greek Civil War by the communist dominated Slavic SNOF organization that actually composed 70 percent of the Greek communist army at the last stages of the Greek civil War. Everything is documented if someone doubts . Facts are sacred comments are free. twitter.com/DrRadchenko/status/1487292421809618947/photo/1 Sergey Radchenko @DrRadchenko More on the Greek civil war. Markos Vafeiadis recounts the difficulties of recruiting troops for the Communist army. Says (in a letter to the Soviets) that recruitment in 1947 had a "forced character". "No more than 10% of recruits joined the army voluntarily."
@Yiannis2112
@Yiannis2112 2 года назад
Yep, that's some great logic, right there! Through 30+ centuries of your/my/our history, you/we fought almost everyone. According to your "logic" and if you're in need of such a clear consiousness, you/we should be making our own. Not only cars, but pretty much everything. Since we make nothing, apart from wine, oil, appricots, corruption, unemployment and debt...
@phantom3969
@phantom3969 Год назад
oh please, every country has fought agaisnt every neightbour of theirs at some point in history
@YiannosG
@YiannosG 9 месяцев назад
@@Yiannis2112 perfectly put. the fella sounds like those types of americans whose knowledge of the rest of the world is skin deep
@Yiannis2112
@Yiannis2112 9 месяцев назад
@@phantom3969 Really? Everyone fought neighbours? Who knew...? Yes, you can keep that horizontal, simplistic view all you like. If that's how you comprehend it. Let me tell you though, how it really works so far, on planet earth. Others became nations last year. Others before 300 and others before 5000 years. Some are 10 million and were less than one 3000y ago and some became 300 million in 3 centuries. Some numerous ones are old and some are new. Some small ones fought empires, some big ones fought Luxemburg. Some fought stone age nations with cannons, swords and rifles. All fought one civil war at least. Many of them say they were more brutal than wars with foreigners. Now, about buying cars. Why Poles are also buying German cars? Why Chinese buy Japanese TVs? Why Iraqis are buying American arms? Why many are buying Athenian democracy and Roman political structures? Why many others don't even want to hear about it? According to you everyone seems to be a tad confused.
@aseriesoftubes08
@aseriesoftubes08 2 года назад
Stop calling the dialect of Bulgarian spoken in Skopje as Macedonian, it’s Bulgarian.
@Vaelar2007
@Vaelar2007 2 года назад
facts
@demetriusstiakkogiannakes1326
@demetriusstiakkogiannakes1326 2 года назад
Exactly. The South Slavic populations in the region of Macedon always wanted to be Macedonian but they have nothing to do with the Ancient Macedonian people and their Kingdom.
@aftastosk6016
@aftastosk6016 2 года назад
@@Vaelar2007 ask a Bulgarian
@carlustin4034
@carlustin4034 2 года назад
@@demetriusstiakkogiannakes1326 Slavic is not an ethnic group. It is a linguistic family but not a nation. Macedonia is the toponym of a region defined as such last 250 years ago (in its modern borders). Such mumble was introduced by Greek Patriarhists Slavophonik Macedonians (Greeks who forgot to speak Greek, people who come from Alexander the Great) a euphemism to uproot people from their Bulgarian ethnicity. Yugotalibans(Serbians allies of greece) borrowed this strategy and upgraded it of their use and that backfired in its designers.
@carlustin4034
@carlustin4034 2 года назад
@@Vaelar2007 Archbishopric of Justiniana Prima and all Bulgaria (Greek: ἀρχιεπίσκοπὴ τῆς Πρώτης Ἰουστινιανῆς καὶ πάσης Βουλγαρίας), was an autocephalous Eastern Orthodox Church established following the Byzantine conquest of Bulgaria in 1018 by lowering the rank of the autocephalous Bulgarian Patriarchate due to its subjugation to Constantinople. In 1767 its autocephaly was abolished, and it was placed under the tutelage of the Patria . Even Basil II Bulgarktonos (Bulgarslaeyr) calledthe administrative district in EasternRoman Empireas the Church there ''Bulgaria,,.
@breachstudios9511
@breachstudios9511 2 года назад
My grandfather grew up in Epirus during the Civil war, his mother was a Refugee of the Constantinople Pogrom. The Albania PLA marched into his village and massacred all men of age starting with his Grandfather, the mayor. His aunt who lived in Athens hitchhiked and walked all the way to his village to bring him to Athens
@user-fg5gs8wg6h
@user-fg5gs8wg6h 2 года назад
I think that this is kinda difficult, because the pogrom happened in September 1955.
@dimitrisoikonomou3568
@dimitrisoikonomou3568 2 года назад
@@user-fg5gs8wg6h Came here to comment just that...
@Dynamo_Kyiv_Fans_Peristeriou
​@@user-fg5gs8wg6h The christian taxes and the property grab started by the Turkish Goverment when Greece was figting in the epirus front the Italians.
@lauritorni8571
@lauritorni8571 2 года назад
You should probably mention that ELAS executed most other resistance groups calling them "fascists" as in not communist enough despite those groups being democratic.
@googlesmostwantedfrog147
@googlesmostwantedfrog147 Год назад
And did so with arms supplied by the US and with the blessing of the US That's the part of the story no one mentions
@user-xw8sp7cx5r
@user-xw8sp7cx5r Год назад
so yeah they were doing well to kill colloborators with nazis of other resistance groups
@lauritorni8571
@lauritorni8571 Год назад
@@user-xw8sp7cx5r It is interesting that the resistance groups happened to be anyone that wasn't communist, very interesting.
@user-xw8sp7cx5r
@user-xw8sp7cx5r Год назад
@@lauritorni8571 yes because they were collaborating with nazis so they can fight Communist, Communists in greece were mucht more , for example the Communists resistance had 100000 manpower and was the biggest resistance group while the second biggest resistance group which was rightist had only 10000, so the only way to win communist was to collaborate with others
@user-xw8sp7cx5r
@user-xw8sp7cx5r Год назад
@@lauritorni8571 i am not talking a fairytale, and the most amazing is that the most collaborators ,got forgiveness from the rightist government because they said we joined security battalions (which was the organisation that nazis made for collaborators) so we can fight Communists
@mrtrippy8320
@mrtrippy8320 2 года назад
Makedonia language ? Haha Makedonias language was Greek with their own dialect just like Cypriots , that language you say its bulgaria(Slavic) nothing to do with the Makedonia.
@ricklyle3739
@ricklyle3739 2 года назад
Good stuff! I knew “about” the Greek civil war but I didn’t know any details.
@TheFront
@TheFront 2 года назад
Glad you learnt something new
@connorgolden4
@connorgolden4 2 года назад
Love this channel so much! I love how the intro feels like something from the hay day of the history channel!
@TheFront
@TheFront 2 года назад
Wow, thank you!
@daveanderson3805
@daveanderson3805 2 года назад
Nice job!!! There isn't much around on this subject, in print or on video. So this was very interesting
@nikosk3080
@nikosk3080 2 года назад
Hundreds of books have been written about the Greek civil war. But most are in Greek. I do not know if and how many have been translated.
@kostiszamanis6096
@kostiszamanis6096 2 года назад
Yea the one thimg you forgot is that in many places near the border of macedonia the comunists burned and destoed any village which did not agree to help them i know because my ancestery is from epirus and when we went to see the villages there where many villages destroed
@barber798
@barber798 2 года назад
Can you do post ww1 albania? Alot happened with the country, with the king too, the heaviest smoker and the man who turned the gun at his assasin
@gameoflife9576
@gameoflife9576 2 года назад
Yeah,I would be glad if The Front did a video about that period of albanian history and our eccentric king.
@barber798
@barber798 2 года назад
@@gameoflife9576 shqipe
@anotherboat
@anotherboat 2 года назад
Can say I've actually got family related to this, as my Great Grandfather was involved here as a British engineer. It's nice to finally understand a bit of the conflict.
@blackpanther50
@blackpanther50 2 года назад
There is no macedonian minority that was expelled after the Greek civil war, just bulgarians slavs living in macedonia who after aligning with their axis aligned bulgarian countrymen in bulgaria proper found themselves on the opposite end of the stick when the war finished. You conveniently forgot to mention the pogrom the bulgarian army did against the greek populace during WW2 i.e Drama uprising, instead focusing on 'Steve'. Well what about my ancestor who was killed by the bulgarian nazi affiliates, were is his story. 'Steves grandfather at least escaped with his life. But as the says "what goes around comes around". Payback is a bitch
@sick1mind1
@sick1mind1 2 года назад
And if we go back even further you'd see that Bulgarian Macedonians suffered greatly due to the megali idea that led to many villages being destroyed by Greek paramilitary groups throughout the first half of the 20th century. Violence only leads to more violence eventually. This being said, I think the Drama events were a great tragedy that is not well known by most Bulgarians. I sincerely hope nothing like this ever occurs in the future again.
@petervarelas198
@petervarelas198 Год назад
@@sick1mind1 And if you go back you shall see the Bulgarian Paramilitary groups abducting kids and forcing them to become bulgarians for their safety. Those Paramilitary Groups Slaughter the greek population in macedonia in hopes of removing the greeks and making the children Bulgarian.
@epasopa7962
@epasopa7962 2 года назад
An uncle of mine from the region of Epirus is one of those kids that went to Uzbekistan with the remnants of DSE. He was lucky enough to be taken there with his parents.
@user-fw2oo9fg1b
@user-fw2oo9fg1b Год назад
Πως έλεγαν τον θείο σου
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 2 года назад
Good work The Front 👍
@braysonecla1952
@braysonecla1952 2 года назад
Guyssss....I just ate the most amazing orange
@stuart4341
@stuart4341 2 года назад
cool story bro
@scottanos9981
@scottanos9981 2 года назад
Was it a chocolate orange?
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 2 года назад
I'm happy for you.
@OmegaHamster
@OmegaHamster 2 года назад
Thank you so much for covering this! My great grandfather fought in WW2 and in the Greek civil war. He was a officer in the Greek army and fought in Albania until he got caught and tortured by Italians. Afterwards he return to his village and joined ELAS to fight against the occupation, until the situation escalated. When ELAS started fighting with other partisan groups, my great grandfather stopped supporting them, but kept the weapons. Since he got a lot of them by assaulting many Germans and Italians, he was able to protect himself and the village. He was more or less a lone guerilla at this point, and would even go as far to threaten to kill traitors in his village. Because of this no one messed with him, he was basically like a Cretan in the Pindus mountains. When the Greek government returned, he for some reason joined the fight against ELAS, but I don't know why since he didn't talk much about his past when he was still alive. I also don't know what he really did during the Civil War, especially since his village was in a ELAS held region. I only know that during his time in ELAS and the Civil War, his nickname was Xanthis because he had blonde hair. After the war he opened a construction family business which he had until around 1980 or 1985. I wish he was still alive so I could ask him more about my family and his life back then. I would appreciate it if someone who knows more about the situation back then, would explain why my grandfather did the certain things I mentioned before. I can give more details if needed, since I left some things out to don't make it too long
@dimitrisoikonomou3568
@dimitrisoikonomou3568 2 года назад
I can't know for sure why your grandfather acted the way he did, but i can give you some facts. EAM was the largest partisan group during the war, however not all its members shared the same ideological beliefs. Most of them joined because of its size (thus larger chance of survival) and the hatred to the Nazis. Then, during 1943-1944 EAM was actively hunting down other guirela groups (even more than the Germans). Its goal was to disband said groups and recruit or dispose their members (by that point Germany is loosing the Eastern front and EAM is preparing for the future of Greece once the Axis leave Greece). To sum up my assumption, your grandfather was a man of freedom, a man that wanted to save his loved ones and free his country. So he joined the group that gave him the best fighting chance. But when he realised that EAM didn't fight only for freedom and only the enemies of Greece, he left. Thats why he didn't fight for them during the civil war. He was fighting for a free Greece and not for a "Socialist Republic of Greece".
@greekcommie621
@greekcommie621 2 года назад
@@dimitrisoikonomou3568"... EAM was actively hunting down..." let's conviniently leave out the part of what the other partisans did,like the provocations of the millitary wing of EKKA (Of which Psarros had lost control of, admittedly)against EAM,or how right wing pelloponisian partisans already from 1942 were making agreements with the Italians against EAM...
@MrVibriocholerae
@MrVibriocholerae 2 года назад
obviously, dont expect the book to be 100% objective. but using your critical thinking it should help you understand what happened to epirus during the civil war and maybe understand your grandfather a little better
@user-jf6yv8rj2s
@user-jf6yv8rj2s 2 года назад
Your story is kind of weird. Every citizen who was joining ELAS was doing it unforced, by his own free will. But everyone joined ELAS was giving the oath. The oath was military and noone could leave ELAS like that. Someone leaving like that was considered a deserter. There was a court martial and the penalty was death. For me it's weird how someone could desert ELAS and to be free to have and his guns.
@OmegaHamster
@OmegaHamster 2 года назад
@@user-jf6yv8rj2s He probably stole the guns or something like that. But it is still weird how he never got caught by Elas afterwards. The only thing I know is that no one messed with him
@PolSof_Archives
@PolSof_Archives 2 года назад
My grandfather was a DSE guerilla during 1946-1948 where he got injured and sent to yugoslavia. he joined because the monarchist killed his 16 year old brother for suspicion of collaborating with the communists. My grandfather used to tell me stories how he destroyed american shermans with the pantzerfaust in the hills of macedonia , after he got injured he fled to poland where he eventually met my grandma and continued with his allegiance to the KKE from poland . he returned to greece in the 90s after the communists werent being persecuted anymore and till the endo of his life worked for the KKE newspaper.
@nickmavro9412
@nickmavro9412 2 года назад
Shermans were not used by the Greek Army during the Greek Civil War. Greece was believed never to have used the Sherman tank, although several British Shermans were in action in Athens during the Communist insurrection of 1944, in support of government forces. During the Greek Civil War, which followed, in the generally mountainous terrain where fighting invariably took place, like at the battle of Mount Grammos in 1949, the favoured tank was the lighter British Centaur, or "Kentavros" in Greek, a variation of the Cromwell tank, a few of which were made available earlier to the National Army. However, at least until 1985 two Sherman turrets, probably M4A2, single-hatch version, minus the guns and set on concrete bases as improvised bunkers, could be seen in the Greek Army's School for Army Engineers at Loutraki, their presence at odds with the commonly accepted view that the Greek Army used only recovery vehicles based on the Sherman and not gun tanks. Recently digitized footage indicates the use of at least one Sherman Tankdozer, probably a M4A4, by the Hellenic Army seen during a visit to Greece by General Eisenhower Facts are Sacred Comments are Free
@greekcommie621
@greekcommie621 2 года назад
He was a true hero,my respect to him. Mine was in makronisos
@KiNGGAMESgr
@KiNGGAMESgr 2 года назад
From my mother's side my mikrasiatis grandfather was in makronisos because he was a supperter of plastiras ( a centrist ) . From my father's side my grandfather was almost killed by communists the were terrorising people in his neighbourhood during dekemvriana . They almso killed him in his house because they confused him with someone else . He was a veteran of the greco italian , and thus he joinned the army again in the civil war .
@gappzapp1248
@gappzapp1248 2 года назад
Your grandfather was a traitor
@fanis1414
@fanis1414 Год назад
@@greekcommie621 Ευτυχως νεκροι και οι δυο. Δυο λιγοτεροι προδοτες.
@EDX2308
@EDX2308 2 года назад
My Greek dad (no relation just what I call him) told me how brothers fought brothers and how families were torn to shreds during the civil war after WW2. It's really sad to murder someone who thinks differently. The Greek civil war should be a reminder of what happens when we are no longer civil towards another person's ideas by using violence. This event is more relevant in todays age than ever before.
@thelordofcringe
@thelordofcringe 2 года назад
But "sPeEcH iS ViOlEnCe" and its absolutely necessary to beat old men with bike locks if you cant beat their argument! Because clearly if my ideas are illogical, the right thing to do is to force them on people anyway. Its almost like im a religious zealot, how odd!
@hohooooooooify
@hohooooooooify 2 года назад
agreed man the day's grow long with strife in some area's just hope level heads can prevail and things don't get like they did in greece and countless other places
@OmegaHamster
@OmegaHamster 2 года назад
During the Greek civil war my great grandfather's father had fights with his son, because he (the father) was a radical Communist and his son stopped supporting ELAS after they started fighting with other partisan groups. It ended with his son shooting him with a shotgun (he survived with only shrapnel in his back) after he wouldn't stop fighting with him and throwing bricks at him. Later he was exiled to Czechoslovakia for being a Communist.
@Konstantinos1404
@Konstantinos1404 2 года назад
How was it a war among brothers ?While it definitely happened to some families, The majority of the communist army was outside of Greece, they were not Greeks and they wished for Macedonia to be united with yugoslavia. Not that much of a clash of ideas and politics, rather than an attempt to fracture Greece
@Yiannis2112
@Yiannis2112 2 года назад
@@Konstantinos1404 Typical, Tito's grandchildren drivel, decorated with utter bs
@mikep3180
@mikep3180 2 года назад
The Greek civil war saw the first deployment of Napalm bombs, and napalm as a weapon
@wojtek1180
@wojtek1180 2 года назад
I first heard about this war today and im history geek . Wow good job :)
@gunsconguest7080
@gunsconguest7080 2 года назад
They were not speaking this fake makedonian those villages were the remains of bulgarians that came to makedonia after the third Bulgarian Empire!!! They were and are a lot of villages with bulgarian influence in greece but they are only like 20 30 of them!! Stop spreading titos lies and rewrite history!!!!! There are no makedonians they are only bulgarians that speak with a weird accent!!! You forgot to mention as well that the name vardaska wazs change to makedonia during this period so in case of a KKE victory tito could control the port of Thessaloniki which is the current capital of the real Makedonia!!! I love your work i watch this channel since it had 1k subs but please as a real makedonian and as a greek dont spread misinformation!!!
@user-nn3pz1ef2n
@user-nn3pz1ef2n 2 года назад
Please tell Steve to read this comment. You should have a look at the recently declassified reports and memos from the former USSR archives, that give a very interesting twist to the whole story. This video, though well filmed, is based on a rather poor research. Especially when it comes to the matter of macedonia, it ends up being a bad propaganda video. It is solely based on what "Steve" told you from his grandparents or whatever. This is not research. Stories such as Steve's but supproting the exact opposite exist in the hundreds of thousands. You should look them up. Decades before the civil war the peoples of this region were asked to choose whether they wish to stay under the authority of the Ecumenical patriarchate of Constantinople (and hence were considered of Greek beliefs) or switch to the Bulgarian exarchate (and hence consider themselves as bulgarians). The overwhelming majority of these native peolple (though they spoke a bulgarian dialect) chose freely and willingly to side with the Greek cause. Many of them payed a very dear price for that, being injured or worse by bulgarian insurgents. Yes, a mentality of assimilation existed since the matter was settled, however such practices was a common place to all the countries and nations especially in the balkans (you should look up what happened to minorities in Albania, Yougoslavia, Bulgaria). Of course there were villages that chose to side with the bulgarians,howevere these were a mere fraction out of the whole population. What I write is based on a huge ammount of accounts of local people (such as Steve's grandparents). In the area where I live, out of 48 villages, only 2 sided with the bulgarian cause. A "macedonian" language never existed and the aforementioned dialect is a bulgarian one. The matter of a "Macedonian" nation was fabricated by the communist parties of yugoslavia and the KKE in order to achieve a situation similar to the one between North and South Korea today. As to the migration of childern to eastern block countries, this happened both willingly and unwillingly. As you can easily understnd the willing peoples were the members of the communist army who wanted to save their families.
@stoufos
@stoufos 2 года назад
Glad to read comments that depict the truth!! This is a true propaganda video. Everybody knows, there were no ''Macedonian'' language before Tito's taking over.
@weirdo9958
@weirdo9958 Год назад
I'm pretty sure Steve doesn't exist
@VladTevez
@VladTevez 2 года назад
Two observations. 1: At 5:41, it wasn't "someone who fired a shot", all testimonies agree that the police opened fired, unprovoked from the protesters. 2: Before WW2 the Slav Macedonians of Greece self-identified as Bulgarians, and their language and schools that they wanted to take back were Bulgarian schools. The emergence of a modern slavic-macedonian ethnicity occured during WW2, after Tito wanted to stop Bulgarian irredentism
@justburb4811
@justburb4811 2 года назад
Ah yes let me just make a new ethnicity in 2 years out of thin air, If Serbia annexed Greece do you think in 2 years you would be a Macedonian. I literally have a grandma that emigrated from Greek Macedonia in 1932 that is still alive and she told me that every slav in her village identified as a Macedonian. The Greek government was literally forced to publish a Macedonian textbook after the second balkan war. Dont spread false information made by the Bulgarian government after the fall of communism as a way of undermining the Macedonian ethnicity.
@VladTevez
@VladTevez 2 года назад
@@justburb4811 Now you're lying. The schoolbook Greece published, was published after the Politis-Kalfov protocol between Greece and Bulgaria and this agreement for the publishing of the school book explicitly referred to *Bulgarian minority in Greece* . TIto's communist Yugoslavia transformed the regional identity to a national one. It codified the slavomacedonian language and changed the alphabet in 1944 to de-bulgarize it. And it wasn't a process of two years. For the next years many families were split having a Bulgarian self-identification and slavo-macedonian one. And it's not me. Check your diaspora organizations like MPO, who identified as Bulgarian before WW2.
@justburb4811
@justburb4811 2 года назад
@@VladTevez It was a regional identity in the 1800s, by the turn of the 20th century many Macedonians after the occupation of the Turks, Serbs and then Bulgarians formed a nationalistic identity. And yes the language was codified by ASNOM in 1944 but that only means that there is now one true Macedonian language, before the codification there were many different dialects of the Macedonian language some were based from the north and some from the south of Macedonia. And of course some people identified as Bulgarian, what do you expect when your education is so poor youre only fed propaganda. After the war there was no split in self identification as most people identified as Macedonian after having the Bulgarian government occupy and send the Macedonian Jews to Germany. There werent any sympathies towards the Bulgarian government after WW2 because of their forced Bulgarisation during Ww2.
@VladTevez
@VladTevez 2 года назад
@@justburb4811 My education is not based on Greek documents but international peer-reviewed academic sources. All persons mentioned in the national anthem of North Macedonia self identified in paper as Bulgarians, so it was well into 20th century, and after WW2, and it wasn't some people but most of them. In 1941 the Bulgarian army was welcomed as liberator
@justburb4811
@justburb4811 2 года назад
@@VladTevez Im not denying that some of people in our anthem self identified as Bulgarian, the reason why they are in our anthem is because they fought for the freedom of Macedonia, whether that freedom is independence or joining Bulgaria doesnt matter. I think you should know that in every major resistance there was always a split between the hardline Bulgarians and Macedonians who wanted an independent Macedonia which would be a part of a Balkan federation. Vmro was also split that way. And yes the Bulgarians at first were welcomed as liberators, after decades of serbification why wouldnt they be welcomed as liberators. But soon enough the Bulgarians showed their true colors. Random beatings, robberies were common for the Bulgarian army stationed in Macedonia. The Macedonian people who were alive during that time say that even the Germans treated them better, the Germans would wave to you, when they were in the bar they would pay, while the Bulgarians had a god complex. After the occupation of Macedonia followed Bulgarification, anyone saying they spoke Macedonian and were Macedonian were jailed.
@persondog6215
@persondog6215 2 года назад
Love ur vids
@oneshotme
@oneshotme 2 года назад
Enjoyed the video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
@KonstantinosFrizz
@KonstantinosFrizz 2 года назад
What you are referring as Macedonian language, its actually a mix of Bulgarian and a little Serbian. Macedonians speak Greek (Hellenic) since the dawn of the Hellenic nation. Other than that, a very accurate analysis.
@sick1mind1
@sick1mind1 2 года назад
As a Bulgarian, I confirm.
@limboprime4008
@limboprime4008 2 года назад
As a macedonian i disagree Our languages are similar, but not the same
@sick1mind1
@sick1mind1 2 года назад
​@@limboprime4008 It's called a dialect, not a language when the two tongues are 95% the same. It took me 3-4 days to start properly speaking in your dialect while spending some time in Skopje - something that would be impossible with Czech or Russian. Ajде, не се секираj, молам те.
@limboprime4008
@limboprime4008 2 года назад
@@sick1mind1 well our languages belong in the same language family, doesn't make it a dialect just because you learn it fast I mean i learned english pretty fast yet its not the same as macedonian or serbian or belonging in the same family Again just because you learned it fast doesn't mean its a dialect Specifically when that "dialect" has a different alphabet and a different proper way of speaking from its cousins
@sick1mind1
@sick1mind1 2 года назад
@@limboprime4008 Having 3 different letters doesn't make it with its own Alphabet. Also, did you learn English in 3 days? You must be some prodigy. All the VMRO revolutionaries from Gotse Delchev to Dame Gruev considered themselves to be Macedonian Bulgarians. Maybe read their actual words, rather than the modern 'interpretations'.
@ToppysTalkShow
@ToppysTalkShow 2 года назад
My grandpa allegedly fought the nazis in ww2 and was one of 3 rose gardeners for the king. Unfortunately I don’t talk to the Greek side of my family so I don’t really have any more information. I tried to do some research on my own but couldn’t find anything
@billert_bone5663
@billert_bone5663 2 года назад
I've heard that my great grand father fought in the civil war, from what I've heard my grandma didnt see her father until she was 4 years old. Even though I've not heard a lot of him thats something I know. Thanks for the video
@chasetsotsos3792
@chasetsotsos3792 2 года назад
Amazing video! Especially the part about Steves family, my fathers side of the family is from around there as well, a village named armensko or alona now, I’m trying to learn more about the village and history. I’d love to here more stories like that if possible!
@weirdo9958
@weirdo9958 Год назад
Steve's story is not true "Macedonian identity" wasn't a thing since tito named the previously known region of vardasca macedonia to get access to the aegian they also don't speak "macedonian" they speak a Bulgarian dialect
@KiNGGAMESgr
@KiNGGAMESgr 2 года назад
9:32 ) My grandmother ( still alive in the age of 88 ) , was taken by rebel in the late summer of 1944 to a march against the germans in the town of Feres . They made a wall of chirldren and told them to sing rebel songs . She remembers the german machinegunner aimming at them , thankfully never firing . We are proud of her , but as she told me , it was a really risky move ... . During the civil war some children were abducted from the nearby villages , she was living in Doriskos at the time . The most of the famillies moved to Feres after this . After that there was raid in Feres with casualties from both sides and the police evacuted to Feres the last 2 remainning famillies ( including hers ) . So yeah there were some abduction made by DSE .
@KiNGGAMESgr
@KiNGGAMESgr 2 года назад
Also when it comes to those slavs , let's not forget that Ohrana burned some Greek villages during during the occupation and that they were suppoerted by the Bulgarians and the Gemrans . Ironically enough , only the communists fought them and destroyed them twice . Mention both sides next time . I should also mention that from my fathers side my Grandfather , was a veteran of the greco italian war and generically a prop goverment guy . He was almost killed by the communists in Dekembriana in 1944 when the communists confused him with someone else and almost killed him . He joinned the army once again and took part in the civil war . When it comes to atrocities from pro goverment forces . There were some hardcore member beating people in Doriskos if they cought them walking late at night . Thise used to scare my grandmother ( from my mother's side , the one mentionned above ) a lot , she still remembers their footstep running to beat people at the street . They also tried to trap a relative that tried to keep the village nautral in this mess , but failled ( they told him late at night to come out of his home and follow them to the police station because they knew he was a communist . He wasn't , but that's what they thought . He didn't come out of the house and thus he was not killed that night by a death squad waitting for him outside ) Both sides were a mess , but honetly i think the victory of the hellenic army was the best resault . Imagine a basically destroyed Greece with no communist or nato allies , with a more powerfull yugoslavia at it's north and a more powerfull turkey at it's east . Stratigically speaking was better than a victory of the DSE .
@captainsidog5531
@captainsidog5531 2 года назад
Here’s a simple way to determine the sides in a war in Greece: If they come from the south, they are Athéniens. If they come from the South-West, they are Spartans. If they come from the West they are Ionians. If they come from the North they are Macedonians. If they come from the East they are Thracians. Ok, if it wasn’t clear by now this is a joke.
@DraigBlackCat
@DraigBlackCat 2 года назад
During the Greek civil war one of my high school biology teachers (a former captain in the British Army Education Corps) was at university and had heard how much blood donors were paid per pint of blood (about £20 GB). Being human biology students they worked out that if they drank lots of fluids for a week or so then they should, over the next month, be able to sell four pints of blood each. Straight away he and his friend hatched a plan for the upcoming summer holidays - they would hitchhike down to Athens via Italy to sell their blood and earn their beer money for the entirity of the next academic year! Unfortunately for my former teacher he and his friend had miscalculated how much the food would cost in a country fighting a civil war and they couldn't afford many meals containing the meat or other proteins they needed to fortify their bodies enough to make new blood cells over their concentrated blood selling campaign. After their 3rd blood sale in two weeks they both collapsed upon getting up to leave the clinic. They woke up in a ward within the main clinic, each having been given transfusions amounting to four units of whole blood. After a few days they were discharged, but had to pay for their stay in hospital - including the four pints of blood they were both given by transfusion. Even worse for the intrepid friends, the hospital had informed the British Embassy who, because both were under 21 years old, had sent a telegram to their parents informing them their sons had collapsed and been admitted to hospital and they had to send the British Embassy in Athens the money to buy them both air tickets for immediate repatriation back home once they were well enough to leave the hospital. My former teacher and his friend thus arrived back in london £20 down on after their net blood transactions plus the £15 they had each had to pay for treatment in the hospital's emergency department and the £30 each of them had to pay for their three day stay in hospital. As if this wasn't disaster enough, once they arrived back home they had to confess their scheme to their parents. Their parents, disgusted to learn that rather than a student holiday, this had actually been a money-making expedition and made them both get jobs to pay back their £150 air fares home (Athens - Rome - Paris - London)!
@CitizenRolfe
@CitizenRolfe 2 года назад
I'm glad you covered the Greek Civil War, it's a conflict I don't see mentioned often
@pattomuso
@pattomuso 2 года назад
Interesting personal reflections, thankyou!
@FLORATOSOTHON
@FLORATOSOTHON 2 года назад
Macedonia has always been Greek. The so called Macedonia you refer to, was Tito's creation in 1943 in order to lay claims on Greek territory, by taking advantage of the warring factions in Greece. Before this time the area was known as Vardarska Banovina and not Macedonia.
@stefan3304
@stefan3304 2 года назад
And people still believe in this nonsense....hmm interesting 🤔
@yyytttwww
@yyytttwww 2 года назад
This video is quite unfortunate. The slavic population in Greek Macedonia received favorable treatment for the standards of the time. They first were staunch supporters of the Ottomans against the Greeks in the Balkans Wars. They then supported the Bulgarians in WW1, participated in the Massacres of the Greek populace. And they still were allowed to stay and live more less freely at a time when Greece had population exchanges with not only Turkey, but Bulgaria & Yugoslavia too. Then they jumped on the communist bandwagon while Greece was occupied in WW2, and again fought with ELAS more or less for succession. Which other country in the Balkans / Near East would of given such favorable treatment to such an openly seditious minority at that time. Need I remind you of the fate of the Greeks of Turkey who behaved similarly? And all this at a time when emigration from Greece was sky high. Secondly children don't willingly leave their parents. The Greek communists are famous in this period for specifically targeting, and massacering children. The Greek communists certainly don't deserve such a favourable doco. Sorry but overall this video is pretty low quality!
@KiNGGAMESgr
@KiNGGAMESgr 2 года назад
You are wrong . They did not join ELAS , they joinned Ohrana and cooperated with axis . They were destroyed by ELAS 2 times !!! But kke needed soldiers , that's why they were let in DSE ranks .
@yyytttwww
@yyytttwww 2 года назад
@@KiNGGAMESgr Correct. Where they joined with the promise of succession, when things were getting desperate for the commo's. I think recent declassified much publisized Soviet documents confirm that intention as well.
@yyytttwww
@yyytttwww 2 года назад
@@bobthetree5935 Hilarious??? I suppose the thousands of child soldiers ELAS had went willingly from the first? The communists kidnapped an estimated 30,000 children to assert their authority. Parents that tried to rescue their children were shot. That significantly different to government evacuations.
@chrispaton2870
@chrispaton2870 2 года назад
Nice video and its an interesting and dark piece of history. Currently living in the Ionian and you often hear stories of how a whole village and families were lined up and shot by the different groups. Brutal and a civil war is just that, a war on the civilians.
@jamesbodnarchuk3322
@jamesbodnarchuk3322 2 года назад
Very interesting!
@marinostsalis314
@marinostsalis314 2 года назад
One important thing to keep in mind civil war is a tool for the Great Powers to divide Greeks since the liberation from the Ottoman Empire. No one would like a strong naval nation in the middle of mediterrane that lean a bit east. Its the same tactic European countries and US later use to influence middle east for centuries. Divide and conquer.
@cortomaltese1203
@cortomaltese1203 2 года назад
The video doesn't give many details and present EAM-ELAS as the aggressor. In fact it was the British obsession to bring back the unpopular king that destroy the greek unity. EAM and the KKE didn't want to establish a communist regime but to follow the italian example. The Papandreou government was a british puppet government. Also the video doesn't mention that after the liberation the british rushed to save the collaborator forces like the notorious Security Battalions the majority of whom found refuge in the greek government forces.
@JohnSmith-mv7dc
@JohnSmith-mv7dc 2 года назад
I have to agree. The British where obsessed with bringing back the king (obviously to serve their own interests), a king that was unpopular in almost all the political spectrum in Greece. And this made the Communists extremely nervous since they where persecuted by the Greek government for their ideology before the second ww. Most historians agree that if EAM wanted to siege power in Greece, it could do so as soon as the German forces left. It had 50000 fighters under arms in EAM proper and maybe hundred of thousounds (estimates ) in the reserve EAM, and there was not a single British soldier in Greece. By the way I am glad it didn't happen, but facts are facts, whether we like it or not
@IVAN_ENT
@IVAN_ENT 2 года назад
Good video didn't know about this
@achilleasmanousakis4622
@achilleasmanousakis4622 2 года назад
Finally someone covered this one! Thanks
@SuperThemis
@SuperThemis 2 года назад
My grandmother is born at 1942, soufli village in thrace. During the civil war she was a little kid and witnessed her neighbours leaving the village for the mountains to join the communists. Because her village was the bigger of the area the hellenic army fortified it and had a garrison of militia inside. Soon refugees started coming from nearby villages and they got crowded inside. They were hearing stories that communists were abducting kids and women from their villages and so the militia organized an expendition with civilian volunteers to rescue them. At nights the village was attacked constantly by the communists who were coming down from the mountains just to harash the militia and terrorize the civilians. The village was well protected by fortifications so they never make any progress but my grandma was living in fear. After the war all the communists were banned from greece until 1975something. Thats when the right wing corrupt party that rules today greece invited them back and gave them priviledges. Free pensions etc
@arnowisp6244
@arnowisp6244 2 года назад
Right wing and yet invited back the commies with free pensions. I assume Greek Right wing would be called Left wing in America then.
@user-xw8sp7cx5r
@user-xw8sp7cx5r Год назад
yeah this communists monesters were so bad for fighting against the colloborators of nazis that right wing goverment gave pardoning to fight them , really bad peple who droped their weapons to make a common goverment from both sides and right wing start hunt and killing them with the help of british , damn this communists mosnters ....
@Ed-kx7jl
@Ed-kx7jl 2 года назад
The mighty parachute regiment smashed the ELAS to bits post war
@nikosk3080
@nikosk3080 2 года назад
The KKE leadership did that.
@hellfruit5612
@hellfruit5612 Год назад
Excellent video buddy keep up the good work. Like Steve my family also went through similar stuff in greek Macedonia and when we omit such crucial facts as the spying and violent activities of hellenic army and police, it's like we never talked about the civil war. Bravo once again
@michaelandreipalon359
@michaelandreipalon359 2 года назад
For every grand conflict, there's always a series of lesser yet still important and bloody legacy conflicts after its end... Star Wars fans might know this quite well. At least the Reds didn't win here. That's a good thing. 1:35: Wonder if the Allies and the Soviets were inspired by this for their 46-year occupation of Germany?
@Ratich
@Ratich 2 года назад
@Lex Bright Raven Well it's democracy Vs what I would describe as a feudal dictatorship
@redcrown5154
@redcrown5154 2 года назад
@Lex Bright Raven yes
@megasbaladoros
@megasbaladoros 2 года назад
@Lex Bright Raven To simplify, ww2 was between the fascists (axis), the democrats (western allies, i.e. UK, USA) and the communists (USSR). Post war came the cold war which was between the open societies (USA, UK and more) and the authoritarian societies (USSR and more). (Yes, the communists did have that in common with the fascists, that's probably why they started the war as buddies). The open societies were doing better and better, more countries became democratic while they did better themselves (end of colonization). But after the end of the cold war they started doing not so well. New kinds of authoritarians are getting stronger (China, Russia, Iran, Turkey and more) while even inside the open societies there are phenomena that resemble the first wave of fascism (Trump and more). In retrospect, we can look back into the history of the past century and see that this is more or less the gist. But when the events are in the present and you are a part of them it is not easy to see the big picture. So, I do not want to disrespect anyone, no matter what they believed in and did about it. However, I do believe that it is hard to argue with my first paragraph.
@user-we2on3nj4o
@user-we2on3nj4o 2 года назад
"At least the Reds didn't win here"?? I'm not communist but I think I'm mature enough to realise that the communists were trying to preserve the power they had gained without wanting any conflict, untile the exiled goverment made coup with some help from the Aliies. The only reason Stallin didn't helped the communists was because he still considered the Allies as his friends. So don't think that the "Reds" were the oppressing tyrants and ignore the actuall facts that exist.
@lamogio7938
@lamogio7938 2 года назад
@Lex Bright Raven ah yes , because of course the bandits who kidnapped children and sent them to foreign nations so that may be trained as soldiers and agreed to cede Macedonia to a foreign nation would have been much better. Not to mention that their brave heroism saved Greece from the fascists during the occupation, I adore the part where they collaborated with Bulgarian forces and executed Pontic rebels in Thrace and I am also fascinated by the several other times when they refused to cooperate with brothers to fight the Krauts and instead chose to hang them for petty power grabs.
@achillesapostolidis2166
@achillesapostolidis2166 2 года назад
great video man but... MACEDONIAN IS GREEK.Its one and the same not a different language...And as a Greek i assure you that most kids were forcibly taken out of their homes...
@Ascuded
@Ascuded 2 года назад
Seriously bro, calling the Slavs of Vardaska Macedonians?? I was even about to share the vid but this shit is straight up bull, this is clear propaganda you calling them Macedonians implying that its an ethnicity which is not and claiming it to be is completely ahistorical and unfounded
@elforeigner3260
@elforeigner3260 2 года назад
War didn’t stop in 1945 not only in Greece but Ukraine, Romania, Croatia, Poland, Baltic republics… And in some cases it rumbled until the late 1950’s
@vielleicht70
@vielleicht70 2 года назад
As a Greek, it's such a fucking shame we never get taught about this in school, we are so stuck in our ancient glory days, that we don't even mention what happened just 70 years ago. Thank you for this video.
@nicholask7173
@nicholask7173 Год назад
So true. I'm also a greek and all we were taught in school was basically this " We had this super cool dude called Alexander, he made us an empire it fell apart then after centuries Ottomans occupied our country however we liberated ourselves in the revolution of 1821 then world war 1 where we kicked the Ottomans ass but then got betrayed by the allies, crazy guy with a moustache takes over, the end." So yeah we were basically taught nothing.
@isocratist2026
@isocratist2026 2 года назад
“Partisans escorted children to safe neutral countries” downright lies, the children were forcibly taken from their homes in order to force their parents to join the communist terrorist militias, when the communtists lost around 20.000 children were carried off to countries of the eastern bloc by and along with the communist leadership, barely any of them returned to their families. 90% percent of the communist fighters were either slav and Albanian nationalists who sought to have parts of Greece become autonomous and join neighbouring countries, or forced conscripts. Also there’s no Macedonian language, there’s only Greek and slavic
@isocratist2026
@isocratist2026 2 года назад
Also according to declassified Soviet archives we learn that the USSR actively and massively supported the communist cause in Greece sending captured German equipment from the eastern front to them, along with other material support. There’s either bias in this video or the research is seriously lacking.
@chrispapadopoulos3080
@chrispapadopoulos3080 2 года назад
100%. see my comment too.
@perseusarkouda
@perseusarkouda 2 года назад
That was pretty much a British mess as usual. ELAS wasn't a communist organisation. It was democratic and it happened to have communist leaders like Ares Velouchiotis (not KKE leaders, just members). ELAS just wanted to participate to a coalition government as it had the majority of Greek population supporting them and the British said no and started firing at them (Dekemvriana). It is also interesting the fact you covered a part of why Macedonia is a complicated place (Greek Macedonian here). Until Ottoman Empire's collapse slavic was spoken in the region. After the rise of nationalism in Europe, countries were seeking to create homogenous populations to avoid future conflicts. Greece did the same and probably a bit sloppy but at the end it worked pretty well for us. We are not divided among Pontics, Vlachs, Arvanites and Slavophones (slavic tends to disappear) in the meanwhile the northern Balkans are in constant conflicts ruining their countries.
@HippyRanger1
@HippyRanger1 2 года назад
As a Greek I have to say it is true, just with a lot of war crimes in between. And the role of USAs intervension was much more significant than stated.
@jothegreek
@jothegreek 2 года назад
So what u mean the role of usa dude
@georgesakellaropoulos8162
@georgesakellaropoulos8162 2 года назад
@@jothegreek The American army sent advisors to Greece to help stop the communists. Those who were there were retroactively allowed to wear the green beret and considered the forerunners of Special Forces. They were mostly stationed on the Albanian border.
@dimitrisoikonomou3568
@dimitrisoikonomou3568 2 года назад
@@jothegreek Also, napalm was tested in Greece
@dimokratisnt3637
@dimokratisnt3637 2 года назад
During the axis occupation of Greece, the Bulgarians were the wrost. Particularry in a village called Doksato, they found the priest in his house cut in half and hang on the wall, his wife with her eyes taken off and their children slaughtered. The entire village got burnt down afterwards. The bulgarian paramilitary also tried making the Thrace region of Greece more Bulgarianized, by banning the Greek language and changing names on graves in cemeteries to bulgarian ones
@tracymilne5165
@tracymilne5165 2 года назад
My daughter worked for a gentleman who escaped by boat from northern Greece to Athens as a boy and recalled how, huddling in the lower portions of the small boat, he heard the Communists shooting his Uncle under suspicion of attempting to escape. He remembers vividly the sounds of the machine guns killing his uncle! I can’t even imagine what that would have been like for a young child!
@dimitrisoikonomou3568
@dimitrisoikonomou3568 2 года назад
A well made video all around, though "Macedonians" don't exist the way people understand it nowadays. The majority of these people were either Bulgarians or Serbians. When Yugoslavia came to be, what is now North Macedonia was a mojority spoken Bulgarian population, Tito used these lies to make uneducated people believe that they were something they weren't, so Bulgaria has no justification against him. "Macedonian" are a dialect of Bulgarian, both can understand each other. Its like saying Creatans don't speak Greek but Creatan...wat de fak What is true however is that the Greek communists promised the entire Macedonia region to Tito once they have won the civil War. Before the break up of Stalin and Tito, an attack from Yugoslavia was very likely according to Greek intelligent services, however, after the fact, Tito was afraid of neighbouring countries attacking him, so thats why he didn't have a more active role. Finally, several soldiers have reported that the majority of communists fighting them were children or non Greek. Children are more interested on school and playgrounds, not guns and killings.
@user-mi3tq5qd4u
@user-mi3tq5qd4u 2 года назад
One day the partisans came to my aunts village, all fighting strength men were forcibly taken into a nearby forest, none returned. Note, the village was pro government and among the men was her grandfather
@A17YT
@A17YT 2 года назад
As a greek the civili War and as someone who has known and met people who fought in that war, this topic is gonna be interested to me
@achillesprimerakis161
@achillesprimerakis161 2 года назад
There is no Macedonian language these are Bulgarian
@georgesakellaropoulos8162
@georgesakellaropoulos8162 2 года назад
My Father lived through this and was a staunch anti communist for the rest of his life. He was just a kid during the Nazi occupation and the Greek Civil War. The things he had to endure, and saw, shouldn't happen to anyone, let alone a child.
@JohnKopasakis
@JohnKopasakis 10 месяцев назад
In college I did a 25 page research paper on the Greek civil war. Got stuck in 1944
@tootactcertified9876
@tootactcertified9876 2 года назад
Song at 10:44 ? Description wasn’t really any help
@georgezachos7322
@georgezachos7322 2 года назад
Too much 'Steve' makes for a one-sided presentation.
@antonisp469
@antonisp469 2 года назад
There are no such thing as Slavic Macedonians
@paulie_r1538
@paulie_r1538 Год назад
What sources did you use for this?
@MrTristanryan
@MrTristanryan 2 года назад
I’m in Oakleigh eating a souvalaki, and watching this video! I love Greece from Melbourne.
@mihichot
@mihichot 2 года назад
Thank you for covering a part of this postwar period, especially for the part with the exodus of innocent civilians simply because they didn't speak the same language.
@pyeitme508
@pyeitme508 2 года назад
When will u talk about the failed invasion of Afghanistan? Cold War, War on Terror or both of them
@bee-fs3vb
@bee-fs3vb 2 года назад
Another video les go
@G_Kchrst
@G_Kchrst Год назад
You forgot to mention that the Partisans that were caught were send to exhile in concentration camps in isolated Islands like Makronisos and Giaros where they would work all day in the sun to mine rocks. My Great Grand Father left for exhile 4 times.
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