Why The 'Flawless' 7-Way Speedrun Tie ISN'T Perfect

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A Video by Maximum - On the 9th of December, 2017, ollymuirs performed a speedrun of This is The Only Level's Pauseless and Glitchless category with a time of 2:24.675. Over the next four years, this time was tied to the exact same frame by six separate runners, leaving a 7-way tie to the frame for first place. With TITOL runs being regulated by a 10 second cycle gate in stage 25, each runner squeezed through the 2:00 gate on the first possible frame, going on to play the last five stages to apparent perfection. The only way to break this tie would be to find a new timesave in the last five stages or to save enough time in the first 25 stages to catch the 1:50 cycle. Thankfully, many new breakthroughs were made, and this video will discuss their impacts on TITOL's infamous tie and the future of the speedgame.
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TITOL Links:
Documentary on the Original 5-Way Tie: • The CRAZIEST Tie in th...
Ollymuirs' first 2:24.675: • [FWR]This Is The Only ...
dha's Current WR (2:24.550): • (WR) [2:24.550] This I...
Current TAS WR (2:15.200): • [TAS] This is the Only...
This is The Only Level on speedrun.com: www.speedrun.com/titol1
This is The Only Level Discord: / discord
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Maximum Personal Links:
Twitch: / itsmaximum
Speedrun.com Profile: www.speedrun.com/user/Maximum
Speedruns Channel: / moremaximum
Twitter: / itsmaximum_
Discord Server: / discord
World Record Graphs Available at: / speedrungraphs
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Huge thanks to @LeKukie with his help in investigating the human potential of Left Right March! You can find the videos of his runs at his RU-vid channel: / lekukie
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Music List: pastebin.com/6ZSUZ72P
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World Record Progression Graphs Created Using- flourish.studio/
World Record Data Obtained Through the Speedrun.com API- github.com/speedruncomorg/api
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@Maximum 2 года назад

Embarrassing moment: The original TITOL video was actually uploaded on *March* 3rd, 2021 🙃 Also, I am really sorry about messing up the audio mixing and making the montage music too loud. I'll get it right next time.

@potatobearsmo 2 года назад

That makes me seem even older lol

@vrimb1 2 года назад

I thought it felt shorter than a year ago I watched it, lol but it was longer, time is flying by

@ig2d 2 года назад

For the button mashing you could always try rolling maybe? (As per Tetris)

@Maximum 2 года назад

@@ig2d rolling probably wouldn’t work very well because the rhythm is extremely inconsistent. You need your presses to be very consistent for left right march

@browniex5120 2 года назад

Why was it so late though?

@Aaron-cs3xl 2 года назад

The year is 2030. There is now a 50-way tie for first place in the speedrun. Every competitor uses guitar hero guitars for speedrunning so they can execute frame-perfect left right marches. Many of these speedrunners are also competitive nes tetris players who use hypertapping to its fullest potential, consistently maxing out their score, with the winners usually being decided by who survives the longest, with a record match lasting for nearly an hour before one of the players started losing feeling in their hand and had to be rushed to the hospital since they were stuck in a state of constant mashing.

@steele_heart77 2 года назад

We could make a religion out of this.

@gamerdomain6618 2 года назад

@@steele_heart77 No, don't.

@steele_heart77 2 года назад

@@gamerdomain6618 *The power of yes compels you.*

@zackbuildit88 2 года назад

Ugh, no Tetris player still uses hypertapping, or at least not any important one, they all use either rolling or crunchbooping, no other strategies are even viable these days

@steele_heart77 2 года назад

@@gamerdomain6618 Ah. Far Cry reference but understandable, have a nice day.

@adamnielson42 2 года назад

16:01 The fact that the game ends with just a big "YES." is so fitting.

@PotofGlue 2 года назад

Never considered the fact that that stage would make the entire game basically work on a 10-second framerule

@mathismt1222 7 месяцев назад

now imagine a bus

@lifinale 2 месяца назад

@@mathismt1222but like, several times slower.

@DustyyBoi 2 месяца назад

@@lifinalea really long bus

@ThaRixer 2 года назад

Your videos are so passionate. Amazing that the 1:50 cycle actually happened in a TAS setting, by so little too. Great job!

@Maximum 2 года назад

Thank you so much Ricky! It is pretty remarkable how tight the 1:50 cycle ended up being; there were actually 0 frames to spare for a good bit before a few more refinements were found.

@broran_ 2 года назад

@@Maximum Somehow knowing it was 0 frames to spare, and it still ended up with more wiggle room in the end is just so satisfying

@dropkickedmurphy6463 2 года назад

Shouldve expected to see you here, Ricky. Dunno why I didn't.

@EEEE42069 3 месяца назад

mashing

@bipen1176 2 года назад

can we talk about how max just seems to have the fastest masher in the worlds like on speed dial?

@Maximum 2 года назад

I have lots of connections 🥸

@bipen1176 2 года назад

@@Maximum for a second there i thought that ludwig was gonna appear

@drakez341 2 года назад

@@bipen1176 ludwig is nowhere near the fastest masher in the speedrunning community. Lekukie is however

@bipen1176 2 года назад

@@drakez341 I know he isnt the fastest, but it would have been a funny edit.

@FacialVomitTurtleFights 2 месяца назад

Fastest masher makes me think of potatos xD xD

@norathemediocre 2 года назад

It's amazing how a seemingly simple flash game effectively combines two of the most notorious elements in popular speedruns: the Framerules of Mario 1 and the absurdly precise mashing of Wind Waker. Would love to see a 1:50 cycle become humanly achievable someday, but that'd take some _serious_ dedication.

@joostinatortje Год назад

As long as many of the keypresses register at a minimum time of more than the frametime (don't know about the guitar), it is close to impossible for even a frame perfect human to achieve this. The presses have to be placed after a new frame started, but well before the next frame starts (so that it only registers at that next frame. So you not only have to be 100% consistent, it also matters when the keypress cycle starts. But knowing speedrunners, this might still be achievable. What is not achievable, is for a human to know which frame is going to be delayed and which not. As explained in the video, while the frame time averages on 25ms, flash player frames often are shorter or longer than these 25ms. Since this happens on random, it is impossible for a human to train this. Basically it comes down to being a robot-like human which can press and depress 20 times per second at a perfect consistent rate while being lucky for over 100 frames in a row. While in theory it is still possible, i dare to say that without exploit or new strategy a 1:50 gate will not be reached by human input. (Don't forget that not only the left-press level has to be frame perfect, but all of them)

@mauer1 Год назад

You don't need to be frame perfect for 3 frames.

@th3on3c 2 года назад

In all honesty I never understood how people were able to break the tie until now because this video explains it so simply and now I feel stupid, I don't deserve to have a brain as my pfp lmao

@Maximum 2 года назад

I felt extremely stupid while I was researching this stuff don't worry

@victorvirgili4447 2 года назад

Hmm yes not being an omniscient god=dumb

@Soupious 2 года назад

Theon are you still on the run from the police

@th3on3c 2 года назад

Thankfully the RCMP isn't currently on the lookout for a kidnapped cow and 4 dozen scarecrow homicides anymore

@Soupious 2 года назад

@@th3on3c thank goodness

@AnAverageArceus 2 года назад

This was definitely one of the craziest things I've ever seen (and been a part of) Great vid once again, maximum (Also I still find it insane how both me and kripto got the .675 on the same day, there's something funny about that even if it's no longer our PBs)

@Maximum 2 года назад

Yo, thanks Arceus!

@BorisGamingChannel Год назад

Why was there only one reply here lol

@zdmacstudios 4 месяца назад

O Lord, may you stay strong and determined as you continue in your honourable quest to become the very best like no-one ever was!

@PatrickDavis28 2 года назад

I can only imagine how many attempts it must've taken to even get that low on level 13

@Maximum 2 года назад

I think he put in around 2-3 hours. Already being extremely good at mashing helps a ton.

@PatrickDavis28 2 года назад

@@Maximum That's pretty impressive. By the way I started speedrunning the game today as a result of this video and I got a 2:20 cycle with like 5 seconds to spare after just a couple hours of learning the game

@katincko 2 года назад

@@Maximum nego tem muito tempo em mãos

@shinygiveaways1920 2 года назад

@@PatrickDavis28 good job

@leftysheppey 2 года назад

Imagine being so good at mashing that technology designed to be responsive and quick struggles to keep up. Man is truly a god

@ollymuirs 2 года назад

Brilliant video as always. Even though I saw all this happen in the discord, it's great to have a video that explains it all so thoroughly and clearly. This game wouldn't be where it is now without you man.

@herisruns 2 года назад

this is the only level: the human limit

@Maximum 2 года назад

in the video script, the left right march section is labeled "The Human Limit of Left Right March" 🙃

@herisruns 2 года назад

@@Maximum nice. it's awesome that you got lekukie to help you. especially since he was the player to save the most recently saved frame at the beginning of 8-4 in super mario bros

@DEDERTEEE 2 года назад

great video explaining things I didn't even know myself lmao

@wariolandgoldpiramid 2 года назад

my gosh, I could never have imagined these games of my childhood being taken so far. And I've done casual speedruns of certain flash games even back then, as the Armor Games high score boards motivated me. But this is some next level stuff.

@LeKukie 2 года назад

17:41 I was not prepared for how funny this bit was this is too good XD Glad to have helped with the video, hopefully I can improve my mashing speed to the point of getting 24cps on 10 seconds one day, tho I'm very satisfied with having gotten 23.0cps on 10 seconds. Maybe I'll even find a proper rhythm to get 3.05 in LR march which would be very hot, tho idk if that could be consistently done.

@ItsPietroFelix 2 года назад

Sub 3

@Maximum 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed and thanks for the help🤝! Also I had no idea that you has 23 cps for 10 seconds thats insane 🤯

@LeKukie 2 года назад

@@Maximum dude I've hit 27cps 1 second aswell if I'm not mistaken, I don't remember if I uploaded that or not but the genes are there... I wish that translated to guitar hero but the grip change is too much for it to work so I'll have to figure out something different to tap fast I guess...

@Xnoob545 2 года назад

@@LeKukie 27 clicks in one second? Damn, that's very good

@TheGaming100 2 года назад

Do you plan on running any flash game Lekukie?

@NicknotNak 2 года назад

I loved this game growing up, its always nice to see content on it :)

@doodlegarbage6769 2 года назад

Never heard of this game, never cared about this game, never knew it had a speedrun community, and yet I still found myself smiling at the TAS achieving the 1:50 boundary.

@ThatNotSoAznKid 11 месяцев назад

Basically how it feels to watch any summoning salt video

@kriptopolis9444 2 года назад

Awesome video! Might have to go for wr again soon

@Maximum 2 года назад

if you can get the button jump down im sure that you will be able to get at least a 2:24.525!

@burgerminus9390 2 года назад

…so imagine a bus stop

@deathcatthor Месяц назад

Give this man a pin.

@sage5296 2 года назад

Some small corrections and more technical explanations: 3:31 - The hack uses 1-0 for 1-10, and then q for 11-20 and w for 21-30, with 0 being registered as a +10 4:45 - The technical reason for this is that, in processing the game's collision, if the elephant collides with a floor or ceiling then a horizontal friction is applied, halving the speed of the elephant. During normal movement, the elephant "collides" with the floor roughly every other frame due to gravity, so the effective ground speed is 75% of the max speed. 15:08 - The reason for this is that the game normally checks if you're holding up (w typically) and sets the holdUp variable accordingly. If holdUp is false, it makes you fall a bit faster. On Center Keyboarder, the normal code is not ran and a separate bit of code for the new keys runs instead, but it lacks the check that sets holdUp false when you stop pressing up. Since holdUp is set true when you jump, it effectively gets stuck true. 19:12 - This is not generally true, but it is true in the case of titol and redball. In titol, the game simply only checks inputs on the frame, likely due to the fact that the game was infamously made in just a few hours! In redball, the press and release are both registered but aren’t acted upon until the frame due to the fact that the game uses acceleration based physics.

@Liggliluff 2 года назад

Awkward on the layouts that have the numbers as 0123456789 instead

@sage5296 2 года назад

@@Liggliluff true, but you can't make things work for every layout.

@ziwuri 2 года назад

If lekukie doesn't get a 1:50 cycle with a guitar hero controller, we're not in the best timeline. Great video.

@seanbrownlee9474 2 года назад

I fricken LOVE this channel. You have really gotten me into speed running, so thanks. I cant wait to see what you make next!

@NorXor 2 года назад

dha may be able to break the 7-way TITOL tie, but I broke 8 bones in my arm, hand and leg when I was in 7th grade so who’s the REAL winner? 😏

@Maximum 2 года назад

Incredi tore apart his wrist playing red ball 4. Do better.

@bloodlust_9890 2 года назад

@@Maximum Ok currently giving myself a heart attack

@thedemonslayer51 2 года назад

I like how the second I say to myself "I don't think human fingers can literally tap 30-40 times a second" I'm proven wrong and I'm just like "well fuck me then huh"

@Parzivle 2 месяца назад

10:32 this shit gave me Vietnam flashbacks. I remember playing this game over and over again when I was younger because I was obsessed with the Ruth em of the jumping and collecting. Oh flash collectathon platformers, you’ll always have my heart

@Patashu 2 года назад

I was *invested* in this story ever since I found out about the tie from the previous video. Here's to it going lower!

@ironicallypineapple 2 года назад

Thank you so much for putting the songs in the description, it’s super helpful

@user-id2nr1zp1u 2 года назад

I think the music when you're not talking is way too loud. Otherwise, this is a fascinating video! Anyone would thought a 7-way tie guarantees any timesaves to be depleted.

@Chizypuff 10 месяцев назад

The music was excessively loud, other than that good video

@peacefulscrimp5183 Год назад

These videos about insignificant things are so much fun and well done. I forget things going on that trouble me as I watch . Thank you for making videos like this.

@rubengoldman5830 2 года назад

This is the most competition over an Individual Level leaderboard I've ever seen.

@ecatskid 2 года назад

Is there something wrong with that

@Jamac89 2 года назад

Nice video, but the volume of music during some montage sections was much louder than your speaking volume and I had to turn my own volume down or up on a few occasions. May want to consider that in future videos.

@marvelvsanything Год назад

Ha ha ha... idk bud... that sounds kind of like a you problem???? LOOOOL maybe you just need a girlfriend, like me??? ha ha ha good luck out there kid, you are definitely gonna need it with ears as weak as yours...

@LoadingError0 2 года назад

brilliant video as always max, huge shoutouts for making speedgame videos about games i played when i was like eight years old

@eduardpeeterlemming 2 года назад

Its great to see Max upload

@LunaticJ 2 года назад

Well this is an interesting plot twist…

@jamesknapp64 2 месяца назад

I supposedly had watched this video before (about 16 months ago) but had totally forgetten everything about it. And man I'm sure people are envious I got to watch this twice "coming in blind" which was nice. Great as usual.

@Luciousness 2 года назад

dha is my favorite Maximum character

@Maximum 2 года назад

I wish dha was real

@Luciousness 2 года назад

@@Maximum me too man. me too. :(

@Luciousness Год назад

Luciousness is now my favorite Maximum character sorry dha

@GMPranav 2 года назад

Ruffle+libTAS is an immense blessing, and I was very much looking forward to it being covered in your video :D

@puck1180 2 года назад

The perfect sequel for the perfect speedrun. Great video!

@PressRToZeus 2 года назад

Flash game speedrunning is so wild, I love it. Thanks for making these videos so much

@somniad 2 года назад

wellllllll, TAS tools were just recently developed - it wouldn't surprise me terribly much if human viability for the 1:50 cycle came in the next few years, but it also wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. Exciting times!

@YellowSkarmory 2 года назад

I think something big would need to be discovered - the mashing has its limits as well, and they seem less breakable.

@sage5296 2 года назад

I mean the frame advance for titol has been around for nearly a year at this point, a lot of new things were found with it but even another round of improvements with proper TAS tools it's just barely possible for a 1:50... then again you really do never know with TASing

@APerson-14 2 года назад

Imagine a wrong warp gets discovered and 1:50 gets destroyed

@sage5296 2 года назад

If a wrong warp did get discovered, it probably wouldn't be allowed in the glitchless category. There is a bug where after level 4 you can get the elephant to keep following the mouse, effectively trivializing all but a few levels already.

@APerson-14 2 года назад

@@sage5296 ohh k

@dan1RR Год назад

DHA is such a legend, he just pops in every video holding records of different games

@player3024 2 года назад

11:04 it just occurred to me that I’ve almost never heard maximum laugh in one of these documentaries

@Drybones898 2 года назад

What a fucking legendary collab with the one and only Luke

@AwareOCE 2 года назад

Awesome video! So glad to see that youve been putting out all this content, more speedrun videos on youtube = better youtube 21:30 That GH controller is such a pro move, screw the official PC peripherals, he doesnt need a tone of keys, just one thats fast enough to keep up with him XD

@QwerbyKing 2 года назад

The only winning keyboard is not to... keyboard.

@GROTTM4NNISKA 2 года назад

amazing video! i dont even speedrun and have never played any of the games you've covered, but your videos are so entertaining that i have watched them all. keep it up! PS: music between segments is a little loud?

@Drayruns 2 года назад

banger as always

@BlueDavrial 2 года назад

I havent watched anything about this game, or even flash games in general, in well over years at this point. And i rarely watch speedrunning content. I have 0 idea why this was recommended to me, especially on a completely unrelated video. None the less, fun watch. Good vid

@Sawyer-mr8bf 2 года назад

Just finished watching and...wow this vid is great

@Maximum 2 года назад

thanks toyers 🤠

@LeonesTM 2 года назад

-7 Way TITOL Tie- 68 Way Red Ball Level 1 tie

@browniex5120 Год назад

- Timestamps - 00:00 Introduction/Recap 02:13 The New Perfect Tie Competitors | Kriptopolis And AnAverageArceus 03:05 Trying To Find Ways To Breaking The Tie 04:11 A New Breakthrough | The Invention Of Ground Jumps 05:20 The Race To Break The Tie And The Upcoming Improvements 06:20 The Near Perfect Run 07:36 A Second Breakthrough | The Use Of Vertical Acceleration And The Invention Of Button Jumps 09:04 The Perfect Run 09:52 The Theoretical 1:50 Cycle Solution | Creating A Full TAS Of The Full Game

@justmax2356 2 года назад

Man i love your content

@kog_l4mp 2 года назад

7:19 i forgot about the time river and I both went for this I spent more time than i want to admit playing it lol might come back to this game

@kog_l4mp 2 года назад

also i still have the stage 10 wr for some reason dont ask me why

@neutralnarwhal8184 2 года назад

Flash game speedrunning retrospectives was not something I knew I needed in my life before this very moment.

@tdiogo_gamer 2 года назад

Great video!

@traeghniwwingyl8167 2 года назад

Great video! However, a few times the music in between the sections gets really loud, like way louder than your voice

@KoalaBread 2 года назад

pretty good video max

@blars7312 2 года назад

Very well made video

@SuperDZ555 2 года назад

can't wait for another 7-way tie

@dylhas1 Год назад

Wow this is a nostalgia trip. I remember playing this game when I was still in school

@drylynn 2 года назад

your songs and sound effects are louder than the air raid siren on pearl harbor

@eventerminator1382 2 года назад

Oh shit I remember playing this game back then! Didn’t expect a speed running scene for this

@leggolandthemusicman4029 2 года назад

Max chose some banger tracks for this vid.

@TheFizzster 2 года назад

Good video but please normalize your volume levels when playing music. I constantly had to adjust the volume to either hear you, or not wake up my neighbors.

@rominkivela9351 2 года назад

one of these days we're going to get an evil scientist who starts genetically modifying the world's entire monkey population in attempt to attain the best theoretically possible speedrun time in every game there is. after all, if you give a million monkeys typewriters, they'll eventually write shakespeare

@ajomagurd 2 года назад

You wouldn't need monkeys, in fact they're probably innefficient because they arent totally random. All you would need is a computer with good processing power, and a program that runs instances of a game and presses random inputs. Eventually one of those programs would be fast, but it would be extremely unlikely.

@alvarodiazrodriguez2603 2 года назад

Shakespeare %

@wolfetteplays8894 Год назад

@@ajomagurd yeah, just orphans from third world countries. A lot smarter, and you’re giving them a stable home and food

@flock8903 2 года назад

Amazing content Maximum. Having grown up playing a quite few flash games, it good to see them still living. Have you done a tutorial of how to play flash games?

@Maximum 2 года назад

I made this video a while ago but I guess it would be applicable- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-G79najbLQ2s.html

@Hummeldon 2 года назад

I heard that Digimon World 3 music! TITOL is such a good game. I love this community’s dedication to flash runs.

@ImplodingChicken 2 года назад

WHY IS THIS VIDEO ABOUT FUNNY ELEPHANT GAME SO GODDAMN HYPE

@wildbub 2 года назад

I love this channel

@PC_YouTube_Channel 2 года назад

The most unexpected appearance of Luke Saward I've ever seen.

@LukeSaward 2 года назад

Yep. I'm a TASer of various Flash games too.

@DougSalad 2 года назад

@@LukeSaward hey Luke, pleasure seeing you here, and in this! :)

@LukeSaward 2 года назад

@@DougSalad Oh my shit, it's DouglAsshat! Never thought I'd see you in here :D

@madkirk7431 2 года назад

Why is the music so much louder than your voice? I keep having to turn my volume up and down.

@amseager Год назад

After watching the video, I've got a feeling that the whole titol speedrun community was founded just to show lekukie's beast eventually

@zboredskilled 2 года назад

Good video

@Maximum 2 года назад

glad you enjoyed!

@m0destuffs94 2 года назад

20:40 i have seen that when i have numlock locked and i try to speedrun 2048 most of inputs are not getting registered so i need to always check that i have it open

@ryansmith9063 2 года назад

volume leveling my dude

@1snivy10 Год назад

Your taste in VGM is superb, you gotta make a playlist of your faves sometime.

@mickzivpetreanu3267 2 года назад

Yo it's the AeonAir bgm at the end pog

@Maximum 2 года назад

I wasn't aware that Aeon uses that track; its just Jubilife City from Pokemon Diamond / Pearl. You can find a music list in the video description.

@mickzivpetreanu3267 2 года назад

@@Maximum o cool, I never knew what it was called lol, thanks!

@martykahuna 2 года назад

The Razer Huntsman is worse for this purpose because the debounce is still quite high, even if the keyboard itself is precise. The minimum press time is ~21ms but the minimum release time before you can register another press is closer to 44ms. This causes a full press and release to make up around 65ms, or a bit less than one fifteenth of a second. This unfortunately limits the Huntsman's CPS to just over 15, an unfortunate drawback to a solid high-level platforming kb. The Huntsman v2 has been said to alleviate this issue, introducing a "gaming mode" that makes minimum presses only about 6ms (unsure on minimum releases but no reports of them being longer).

@Maximum 2 года назад

Ah, that is really great information to know, thanks!

@ItsPietroFelix 2 года назад

Fetch a fruit is indeed a serious speedgame.

@TheGaming100 2 года назад

yeah, it's such a serious game that I was able to get top 10 in a day lmao

@ItsPietroFelix 2 года назад

Relatable

@607 Год назад

I did not know there was Flash game speedrunning, but it's unsurprising! Cool video. 8:08 Weird that that took so long to find!

@bangles7437 2 года назад

Cracking video

@thevoidwalkerbr 2 года назад

I wasnt expecting that

@ranchsauce3232 Год назад

Very highly rate the Jublife City night theme at the end too mate brilliant video ❤️

@latergator9622 Год назад

You know the speed running scene on a game is getting big when a specialist is called in to solve a level. That’s awesome!

@kiweping5 2 месяца назад

Of all the childhood games I played I did not expect this one too not only be pushed to the limits this hard, but also to have had the best button masher in the world, use a guitar hero guitar to get optimal times on a flash game

@JesseSwaney Год назад

Man, dha is such a legend.

@Forsakei 2 года назад

That multitap button stage, could time be saved by using that air-button press/faster falling trick after pressing 4 times, doing the 5th with the fall? I definitely don't know my stuff, but just a though.

@Natibe_ 2 года назад

As an armchair biologist I would be very interested in someone doing a study on reaction times and twitch reflexes for speedrunners like this. Lekukie getting within such low margins of a perfect 20hz (which is the low end of human hearing!) mash speed is beyond insane. As a practicing computer engineer though, yeah the moment you said the TAS saved that many frames doing something THAT precise I knew damn well it wasn’t doable on a keyboard, especially with a human in the mix lmaoo