He never wanted an apprentice in the first place Snips was forced upon him so how would he be so upset because he wouldn't get an automatic promotion ? Also she was given to him so he could learn to accept loss brutal but effective
Uh just because you have a padawan doesn't mean you get the ranking of Master. Padawan's simply refer to the Jedi training them as Master even though they are usually Knight Level. The Rank of Master usually comes when you do some incredible feat like training multiple padawan's to Knight class or prove your wisdom or deep connection to the force. The main reason Anakin was never made a Master was due to his immaturity and headstrong nature. They put him on the council because they needed someone to spy on Palpatine.
Because you are good, really good actually to achive such a honor, yet you're still missing something, still lacking the final touch, but since then you found this missing piece, at that moment you'll become the G.O.T.A ....but you're bot now, you still ain't there.........Well but Anakin took that personally
“Well Skywalker, you’re completely unqualified for the position and only here because of your political connections to a man who may or may not be raping you.”
Good thing the man known as Kyle "Forcedamned" Katarn wasn't burdened by this MMO style ranking system. Hope his students will follow the same principle, even if the prime one, Jaden Korr, is a Dark Sider.
Yes, star wars is an allegory to our own world. That's why franchise is still actual and still in process od releasing new one's even though they've been first released in 1977
The Councilors' mistake wasn't that they kept Anikin as a Knight, but that they failed to explain to him **why** he wasnt being made a Master. None of the Masters on the council showed THEY deserved their rank in that moment. Instead of using the moment as a teachable lesson and guiding Anikin on the path to become a Master the proper way, Windu simply told him (very rudely) to "Take a seat, young Skywalker." In that moment, I believe Windu gave into the seed of dark fear in his own heart, and sealed their fate. If anyone on that council behaved as a Master should, Yoda included, Anikin may not have fallen.
@@Mourtzouphlos240 so that means he cant have any misconceptions at all and his teachers have no responsibility to ensure one of their many students understands the ways of their order when he clearly doesnt. Or better yet you could just not be an ass hand waving away a valid point. Wouldnt that be swell.
First mistake was not training him themselves, and allowing a just promoted knight to take on the challenge of training an older youngling who happened to be the chosen one. Pretty dumb move in my opinion . No excuse for it.
What? They’re a religious order and you think the highest most accomplished members of that group need to tell a junior member why they aren’t being elevated as the youngest person EVER? That’s utterly ridiculous. The council didn’t do anything that showed they shouldn’t be Masters and in fact Anakin showed exactly why HE SHOULDN’T be a master. He was a petulant child and responded like one. An important aspect of being even a Jedi Knight was self control and following what the Order deemed to be right. He exhibited neither in that moment or in many of his actions throughout the war. Even a child’s level of self awareness would have told Anakin that the way he responded is EXACTLY why he wasn’t deserving to be elevated to the rank of Master. The lesson was being taught to him, but as usual, it went over Anakin’s head when it was anything dealing with patience, wisdom, or authority. And it was always for the same reason, Anakin was incredibly arrogant and felt as though he didn’t need to listen to anyone. There was nothing even sort of rude about what Windu did, Anakin was WIDELY out of line. To even suggest that it was Windu’s dark side peaking through is just absurd and speaks to the common theme in the Star Wars community of trying to justify Anakin’s actions and blame them on everyone else. The real problem seemed to be that Anakin had become comfortable acting that way and regularly did so with no repercussions.
Makes you wonder had they made him master if he’d still turn to the dark side. That decision was the crushing blow Sidious needed to plant the seed of doubt in Anakin’s mind
@@Lawrence_Talbotif his turn to the dark side was contingent on him being promoted at that point, he would have fallen at some point in the future. “I’m going to turn evil if I don’t get what I want right now,” does not bode well for the future of the chosen one.
This actually makes me wonder if the Jedi Order ignored Anakin's Mother, to potentially test him with the pain of loss. I can fully understand them not making exceptions, but with the potential of how powerfull he could be, giving Anakin peace of mind that his mother was safe and well likely would have prevent him from going down the dark path he went.
No. Listen to how Lucas talks about Shimi. It is about her Letting Go. Anakin has no future on Tatooine. And Shimi apparently uses the money and relationships she has there to gain her freedom and have a family not long afterwards. They go to the Lars Farm a week earlier in Episode II and they see a perfectly happy wife and mother on a small farm.
@@Mourtzouphlos240 Are you joking?! Shmi?! You've seen the movie right? Or have you forgotten? She ends up tortured to death by Tusken raiders. That's why Anakin slaughters "Not just the men, but the women and children too". Where did you get that from? What's your source with Shmi getting freed? My source is episode 2
@@Blessed_V0id she lived with the lars before then. If she was brought somewhere else. Sidious would hired dooku, who he hires an assassin (like he did with the tusken) and killed her. The jedi had to 24/7 have her monitored. But keep blaming it just the jedi, instead of anakin, who could help or padme.
@@ketamineheadyoda2248 I'm not defending Anakin or the Jedi. Nor am I claiming anything without evidence. I'm team grey all the way. I just hate arrogance, whether it's Jedi or Sith just depends on how they try to control you. I sympathise with Anakin, however he didn't have to kill those younglings. He could have fled with Padme. You've made assumptions about me, provided no sources, and for what? To try and keep the Jedi from having flaws? Your choosing the hard path. Legends Lukes Jedi are much more compassionate. But in your fan boy ways, you have become blind. Ki Adi Mundi dissapears, George Lucas' views on the Jedi lost. You spit at truth because you don't like it. It. Flaws. Mistakes. Rude words uttered in belittling tones of 'masters'. If George can't convince you, what hope do I have? Scratch that. It's not my problem
Maybe you could do a follow up video on what happened to Padawans who failed to become Knights. There was this character from the KotoR comics that went full Sith after being denied the rank.
Yeah, I dont think they should have given it to him either. I dont think he should have had a seat on the council either, but that’s a little different. Besides, if Anakin’s ego hadnt gotten in the way, he would’ve realized that’s a flex. A Jedi Knight making it onto the council? Now that says something
@@benjaminbrockway5998 If only he knew any Jedi Masters who knew and liked Padme. Maybe ones who sat on the Council. Perhaps if he actually told people what the hell was wrong they might be willing to help. But then Anakin would get in trouble and not get access to the secret powers that would make him cheat death.
The thing is, the Council offered Ahsoka Knighthood, so he probably was entitled to it. I would agree that he was absolutely not ready for it, but he DID meet the requirements. However, the Council should have explained their decision beyond "Have a seat."
Only by the COUNCIL'S uber-anal definition of what a Jedi should be Need I remind you that they were SUPPOSED to be impartial peacekeepers, not glorified shock troopers doing the bidding of a corrupt ruling body That's not even going into the fact their outright HATRED of emotions guaranteed Ani's downfall
Temple guard: "by the right of the council by the will of the force, kanan jarrus, you may rise." Cere: "by the right of the council by the will of the force, cal kestis, rise jedi knight."
Think the Council had a right to deny Anakin the rank, buy how they deny him was kinda being like a jerk. They could have explained why he didn't get the rank and give him some kind words.
Why should they be explaining to what was a kid who would’ve barely been out of college at that point why he isn’t being made one of the highest ranking people in the Jedi Order? And his reaction itself should have clued him in on why he wasn’t ready.
The councils were always jerks. Best example is ahsoka. They didnt even entertain she was innocent even obi wan completely turned on her rewatch that episode obi wan is a snake. Only plo koon stood by her the only council member with integrity
@@kingofrivia1248 no they weren’t. The Ashoka situation was complicated and was being manipulated by Palpatine to make it even harder to deal with. They should have apologized to her I will say that, but it’s also not true that they just threw her under the bus because they felt like it. They were being pressured by the Senate.
Perhaps they were correct not to give Anikin the rank of Master. But if they were equally stringent with themselves there were quite a few that also shouldn't have had it.
One thing that always irked me was that Anakin KNEW his addition to the Jedi council was at the request of Palpatine, not at the decision of the council itself. Anakin knows it's a political appointment so Palpatine can have an 'inside man' on the council. But then Anakin acts like its disrespectful of the council not to make him Master, while completely ignoring the disrespect the council is being shown (by Palpatine and by extensions by himself) by being forced to add someone to their rank.
Probably due to his accomplishments during the clone wars (not only military, but also intellectual, as he was right about Ahsoka's trial), years of frustration towards the Order as a whole (having to keep the love of his life secret, the disregard for the safety and well-being of Padawan, the lack of action against slavers...), being so close to his goal (becoming a master would have given him access to restricted holocrons where he hoped to find the wisdom to save Padme)... He later collected himself and realized his behavior had been rash. Also, Anakin failed to see Palpatine's agenda. To him, Palpatine was nothing but a trusted friend who cheered him up when he felt down and gave him helpful insights. So, in his eyes, the promotion was just Palpatine insisting that he is given his due after all he has done for the Order.
Here’s one lesson that the Jedi Order should’ve been taught: Emotions don’t always lead the Dark Side. Unkempt emotions can lead down that path but not if they were allowed to express their emotions and feelings in a positive way.
And why do you think that isn’t exactly what they taught? I mean that is almost word for word what Mace Windu said to Jar Jar Binks when he was worried about his girlfriend.
I don’t think you have a grasp on Jedi philosophy The Jedi embrace positive emotions, like compassion. The issue isnt having emotions, it’s allowing your emotions to cloud your judgement. If you’ve watched the TCW show, it’s one of the lessons Ahsoka learns Even the line from the Jedi code people love to quote and twist for their agenda, “there is no emotion, there is peace.” When the time comes, you need to focus on peace, not your emotions. It’s like the popular saying people use now, “facts over feelings.” I dont think the Jedi Order needs to be taught a lesson, I think it might be you
Both the Jedi and Sith are highly flawed... that is the clear vision George Lucas showed us... there's a reason Luke's Jedi order, and the early orders, don't have even half the rules that the order did in TCW era.
@@Mourtzouphlos240 Mace was a very strange exemption of the Jedi order... *cough* and absolutely should have been the only choice to train Anakin! *cough cough*
Not completely related to the video but wouldn't Mace Windu have been an ideal teacher for Anikin? As he was a jedi who got close to the dark side but was able to channel it into his own light Saber style?
It sounds good in theory, but that would not have worked out. Between Anakin's lack of patience, humility, diplomacy, and emotional control, he would've drove Mace up a wall.
Jedi Ranks aren't power levels. They are WISDOM Levels. It is not based on strength. Jedi gain ranks as they become older, gain experience, and become wiser. We know some Jedi Knights are are stronger in combat than some Jedi Masters.
This makes me wonder how a dragon (like azymondias or spyro) would become a jedi, since wielding a lightsaber wouldve been uncomfortable for a 4 legged creature
Ashoka wasn't in the picture so that had nothing to do with anything. Secondly, it happened at the end of the CW and the event that the Council refused Anakin to the rank of Master much much earlier and before Ashoka was even around.
I may note that the Jedi firmly believe that all life is sacred so you should never execute prisoners, is probably a reason why Anakin was denied the rank of master, because despite Dooku being so threat anymore (since he lost his arms), and he could have been a valuable prisoner since being the leader of the Separatists he still killed him so he couldn't be trusted to do things like show mercy to everyone so he didn't deserve the position of Jedi master.
I think they were right to not to give him the rank of Master but they should have given him more rights and benfits then any knight along with give him a voice on council. Maybe not the vote but at least let him say his own opinions as well as Palpatine for it is possible that it would have far unlike stop his fall or more likely slow it down.
Memes aside allowing Anakin to be a member of the council without being a master was both outrageous and unfair to all the council members that came that had to prove themselves a hundred times over before they were even considered for the position
Wasn't Ki Adi Mundi a Jedi Knight at the time, not a Master, when he first ascended to the rank of the High Council? So what happened with Anakin isn't unheard of.
@@rickyrobby8133 Let me clarify: if Ahsoka had taken the Knighthood offered her, Anakin was entitled to the rank of Master by dint of his successfully training a Padawan. Because the Council ran Ahsoka off, they really OUGHT to have allowed Anakin the rank he earned. Barring that, they owed him further explanation beyond "Take a seat."
@@benjaminbrockway5998 no one is “entitled” to the rank of Master that mentality is the same as Anakin’s and is EXACTLY why he shouldn’t have been made a master. His Padawan went through an extraordinary ordeal that made her worth of being a Jedi. It didn’t mean Anakin was ready to be a Master. Hell, he didn’t even train her for three years, that’s hardly enough time claim that you fulfilled being a trainer of Jedi in a way that would be a justification for being a Master. He was not “owed” an explanation. I don’t know why you’re not making this connection but everything you just described is exactly why Anakin should not be a Master. You actually perfectly laid out why his mentality made him ineligible to be a Master at that point.
Question: Does Anakin Skywalker suitable to become a teacher? Not saying that he was a bad teacher for Ahsoka or anything. It's just that if he believed he himself cannot make a good teacher, what made Obi-Wan and the Jedi Council think he can?
You kinda misrepresented the stage between initiate and padawan, you don't become a Padawan until you've been selected by a jedi master to be their padawan.
I think yoda and the other masters didn't want Anakin on the same level as them was they felt threatened by his power and his ability to sway the people to his cause and they for sure didn't like it so they kept him " under" control as a knight they were blinded by their arrogance and self importance and sowed their downfall as they created Vader
This is one thing that gets me with all this about knight/master - in reality, what difference to his power/ability does a title make? Does he become insanely powerful when they call him a Jedi master instead of a knight? He is who he is, the title you call him means nothing. If he walked away from the order, and was no longer a Jedi, what difference would that make to his power. So fearing him being a master is stupid, either fear him for what he can do, or not - do not fear a stupid label/title given.
I honestly think it was a test. If Anakin had simply sat down in humble silence i imagine Yoda, Plo Koon, and Kenobi would probally have spoken up. Sometimes we are harsh to our students for a reason.
Everyone seems to ignore what you said in that last sentence, everyone is saying “why didn’t they just explain why he wasn’t made a master,” like he was entitled to an explanation. His reaction is a major reason why, and the fact he never realized that says quite a bit about him.
Sadly i have to agree. Anakin failed the test and was punished for it. You saw it in Obi-wan's face. Anakin thought he was so big and bad. Yet he didn't see his flaws.
@@vallettapetracyneran8587 which is what Yoda had been saying to ALL of the Jedi. Anakin just so outwardly exhibited it. So many of them weren’t looking at their own flaws and Anakin seemed like the most prideful of anyone. Frankly as strong as Anakin was, he clearly never understood what it took to actually be a Jedi. If it weren’t for the Clone Wars he seems like the type that actually might have stayed a Padawan for a while. He was immensely powerful in the force, but on the philosophy and wisdom side of being a Jedi, he was sorely lacking.
If Anakin was made a master he would have been granted access to the restricted section of the Archives and would have been able to check through the Sith artifacts and records and see that there was no way to prevent Padme dying through the dark side. Not only that but when he checked through the master level Jedi archives he probably would have found out there were very clearly force healing abilities... 👀😒
If there’s one thing the Jedi never fail to do, it’s create their own enemies. There’s the idea that they believe they’re entitled to all force-sensitive people in the galaxy so much that they keep a record of the lot (kidnapping children in the past not withstanding). Grief? You’re not allowed to be unhappy. Having a sense of self-accomplishment? Oh dear, intrusive thoughts. Having a family like nature intended? Nah, the force doesn’t want that mess.
I like to think that some Jedi were tested by the Force directly. There may be several reasons for the Force to take such actions, but I think the main ones are 1.) There were no Masters to teach them or 2.) The Force deemed the current given Master as inadequate to provide sufficiently insightful trials. For the first case, examples would be people like Caleb Dume or Galen Marik, both of whom lacked a Jedi Master to provide such trials. An example for the second case would be Anakin Skywalker. Obi-Wan was a very capable Jedi Master in his own right, but his attachment and bond with his apprentice went beyond that of a typical Master and Padawan. Such attachment, as well as Anakin’s own powerful presence in the Force (and the fact that he was born from the Force itself), would have hindered any trials that Masters in the Jedi Order may have given. As such, Anakin’s trials were provided by many events in his life that were guided by the will of the Force. Which leads me to my next theory that Anakin’s Trial of Spirit actually came well into his Knighthood, when he was standing before Mace Windu and Palpatine. The test was to see if he would finally let go of his fear of loss and choose the way of the Jedi, in spite of the many grudges he held against the Council and desperation to save his wife, or if he would succumb to his worst fears and fall to darkness. Needless to say, he failed. This is just a theory of course, and in hindsight it is a bit extreme, considering that this so called Jedi Trial cost the entire Order its life. But considering he was the Chosen One, maybe it needed to be that extreme.
I think for Pong Krell is he did "Face the Mirror" and that is why he became a knight. When Pong Krell was a master I feel that he felt that the Force was displeased with the Jedi and thought to go to what he felt was going to be a winning side and the side the Force favored. So I can see him passing his Trials of becoming a Knight
Shouldn't there be a master for each knight? Assuming average jedi took 1 padawan? Or was it common for jedi to take multiple padawans throughout their career?
You explained how Jedi became knights and masters, but what about padawan? Not every initiate became a padawan. Some failed there trials, and others passed, but weren't chosen like Kenobi was in the apprentice series.
To become a knight you had to pass the test of insight to detect lies and deception- LMAO then none of the masters on the council should've been knighted in the first place!! They had a freaking SITH LORD staring at them for a DECADE and didn't realize until too late.
If training a Padawan to Jedi Knight was an automatic promotion, there should have been A LOT more jedi Masters at the end of the republic. Most jedis fighting were knights with Palawans, and as mentioned by Mace Windu in the phantom menace, it is rather uncommon for a Jedi to take more than one padawan in their lifetime. That would require close to a 1-1 ratio of masters and knights, which is completely bonkers.
Ya it’s interesting how most of the Jedi order or knights and padawans and a lot of those knights aren’t combat oriented. Only The top% of jedi were masters
Every jedi during the fall of the republic failed the test of courage: they all let the republic become tyrannical without stepping up and stoping it. Well, every one of them except dooku in his younger years.
It wasn't tyranny. It was the corruption that came with political and economic power. And the natural friction between the Core Worlds higher population and greater industrial capacity, versus the Mid/Outer Rim resource base and lower population. Despite what you see in "Tales of the Jedi", most of the time those problems can't be fixed with a lightsaber, unless you want the Jedi to become the tyrants.
It would have been cool If Luke Had His students tò choose If they wanted tò learn by books and experience alone or If they wanted a group of study. And Jedi Masters shouldn't have taught that way, only helping and advising, but letting students have experience by themselves
Great analysis but one serious flaw with vid. How many times have we see 👮♂️ cops? Answer many, many times we have seen police ... How many real situations have you seen a cop draw his weapon. I've only witnessed this twice out of hundreds of times seen. My point is seeing an actual jedi draw his weapon would be a very very rare sight. Most artist nearly ALWAYS show a jedi with lit lightsaber and statistically that's impossible.
Spends 20 hours grinding up to level 50 and loses it all in a second to random B1 battle droid. “Failed you have, Scrub player you are.”~Pro Gamer Yoda.
Including people in the thumbnail in Anakin’s lineage (Yoda, Obi) but leaving out Ahsoka for some random white boy Jedi no one has ever seen before was definitely a choice.
To me if u single handily save ur master and kill the best duelist the jedi have ever had maybe! I dunno just seems like enough for me! I mean striaght up then he gets the info from palpatine about grevious for them and then tells them about him becoming a sith lord ! i mean they had their chance to have the chosen one and looked passed him accomplishments and only to what might happen! SHAME ON THEM
I have said this all along and I’m glad to see this channel also say it. Namely, the council was absolutely right to not grant him the rank of master. However it’s for that same reason I don’t lay the blame on the council for his downfall at all. Anakin’s ambition his inability to control his fear and anger after being warned is what did him in. Like he said, Vader killed Anakin, not Obi wan or the council. I think you disagree with that part but I’ll take any agreement.
Anakin would've been totally fine with being denied master, if he was also denied a seat on the council. He explains it's insulting to be on the council and not a master. Anakin felt like the council was too politically motivated to say no to either his council seat or to make him a master. If they instead made him a partial council member, in the effect he wouldn't have an actual seat, but would be brought into council meetings, it mightve been different. Instead they sat him in the seat of a master, while denying him the rights thereof.
what they thought was darkness was just his live for padme which aint darkness! he didnt want power for power ever! he wanted it to save her alone! sith want power for power!
We all know the Jedi Council could have handled it better. I can't the humiliation Anakin must felt when he was denied the rank of Master. Yet told to take a seat like some disobedient child.
Anakin's biggest problem was being trained by Obi-Wan. He was a fresh knight and was completely unready for the job as a master. The way he treated and molded Anakin was a cause for so much of the young man's sheer arrogance and other issue that was allowed to evolve under Obiwans watch.
That is because he was more of a surragate older brother than a father to him. If qui-jon had survived, he would have made a better master for Anakin. BUT... then you wouldn't have the movie. 🙂
A shame Anakin never learned to control his Darkness an even conquer it. Which is WHAT the Council wanted to see him demonstrate enough to ease those fears of him. Probably at least to show that while there he had them under control an shove them under firm control to do what needed to be done when it was required. Which at times he showed barely capable of at times. An to be a teacher is typically a Master or least capable of teaching. An while he wasn't too bad at it the times he did even out doing himself a bit as both Sith an Jedi his students in EU an Cannon in Asoka an Starkiller never got bout to the highest ranks a Force User could see. Least unless it had to do with fighting which apparently Anakin/Vader both excelled at AND was VERY good at teaching as those 2 Forcd Users were known for being able to wipe the floor with anyone not prepared for them an not sure bout Tano but Galen we all know could solo armies if he had to.. kinda hinting in the alternative reality Anakin had stayed Light he'd made a great Grandmaster battle master or least a Mace or Sin Dralic 2.0.
That's hypocritical as Mace invented a lightsaber form that literally draws on the dark side, but sure he's allowed to do it because he's the master of the order. He lets his emotions get the better of him several times he's no better than Anakin is.
If I was Anakin I would challenge Mace to a duel. If Anakin wins and shows he is stronger than even the master of the order he should get the rank of master
@@neilstone3571 something I wonder if they'd show if we ever learn Mace SURVIVED which has been repeatedly a hotly debated question. An since Disney always keeps doing their own thing constantly changing crap we have zero way to be sure he's DEAD dead or not. But IF NOT turns to be a or the case. They'll be serious questions in need of answers. From the time he was falling outta sight to his appearance later. Probably in similar fashion to how the latest Kenobi show has been showed to us. Something dunno Disney can seriously do an show well
The road to Knighthood alone is difficult, so the road to Masterhood is even greater. I'm still trying to become a Knight, every time I think I'm close with my increasing knowledge of Star Wars lore you come out with another video that proves I'm still a Padawan, Grand Master Geetsly, but I'll get there eventually, someday.
@@kingorange7739 Yes he is. The best Star Wars RU-vidr in my book, even if I disagree with some of the things he says, I still respect and enjoy most of his content.
@@kingorange7739 I know I've been watching his content for 4 years now, so it's impressive to see how far his videos have come. Not to say the earlier ones where bad, but there are some I still enjoy like his explaining why The Clone Wars got darker as the conflict went on, The Good Side of the Separatists the writers never let us see, or his video where deduced which Jedi had the least amount of Clone casualties and he concluded it to be Obi-Wan do to him actually caring about his troops and being a Form 3 master, but the later stuff, like some the series are really good with how much the quality has improved.
@@zexalbrony4799 Perfectly agreed. And it is nice he is willing to bring up topics few other content makers do. He gets rather philosophical with his videos and I love it. Even when I don't always agree with him, he always has a way to promote a respectful and engaging community.
