Why The New Honda CB750 Hornet Will Be The Best Middleweight Naked! 

yes, honda nailed it with the neo sport cafe style, although i have a cb1000r BE and not the 650.

Yes,, the Iconic 4 into 1 sexy exhaust is the holy grail 😍👍.

Indeed. BIG FAIL for them to go with the ugly, bug-faced, 2009-era headlight. By contrast, round headlights are timeless and will never go out of style. That's why the original Hornets (599 and 919 here in the USA) still look so good to this day.

Most, but not all. I (and many others I'm sure) enjoy the feel and responce of a cable throttle way more than its electronic counterpart (present on any bike with "rider modes"). I'd be willing to give up other features (like the modes, auto blip, etc) to retain it. Same goes for that ridiculous monstrosity they call a gauge cluster. I already have a big screen. Several, actually. Don't need one on the bike. It'll make all the professional opinion-havers very happy I'm sure, but to me it detracts from the experience.

Absolutely! The 650 has that solid and robust quality look. The 750 looks like some shit made of cheap plastic. I know that as a rider I could enjoy that perfect Honda everything (I find that perfectly suitable for me) but still the quality machine SHOULD have a quality look too. It IS a part of that rider feeling since we, human beings, have a memory...

Me to. The main reasons I bought one was the 'neo cafe' looks and the peaky in-line four

Yup. Large lcd screens, plastic bug aesthetics and a thousand nanny modes are a negative. Especially to a bike like the CB which has always been classic lines.

Round headlight is always timeless...

Me too. I bought a 2019 Kawasaki W800 last month with 700 miles on it.

The pointy headlights look like crap

Totally agree. I' m very disappointed

I'm thinking the same thing. I'll happily keep my CB650r.

Tbh, it was known for a long time that it was gonna be a twin?

great , they have made a ikea bike

Everything they changed was the reason I bought my CB650R so it’s kinda disappointing

Look I'm pretty partial to the I4 but honestly I think people are needlessly being prejudice, despite it's excellent stats, just because it's a P2. Like it or not unless you're buying a 1000cc you'll sparsely find an I4.

This bike is actually for me. A twin that's bigger than an MT07, but cheaper and more reliable than 890 Duke R. The 2 cylinders are where it's at. I love my inline 4 but 2s are so much better for backroad. I will be buying this!

It looks like a 300cc bike

If Honda made this styled more like the z650rs and sold it at the same price or lower, it would crush z650rs sales big time and probably steal a few trident sales as well.

They should throw in jail the person responsible for designing that poultry inspired headlight…🤣😝😉

@@Fee.1 I dno? its a twisty/town bike and has more than enough power for that, I test rode one and thought it was amazing, so light you can just throw it into bends and sounds great too, 100% not a motorway machine though, even for small amounts

@@Fee.1 in a vacuum? sorry i dont understand

@@Fee.1 ohhh i see, I have rid quite a few nakeds I just said about the trident as its what the comment section was talking about

And the SV650X if you like the round headlight.

Dig deeper into the specs. It’s technically not the Cb500f chassis... but it is... the tires/rotors, the rear suspension, the weight, the size, the same forks, the same headlight... it’s more displacement, smaller gas tank, led lights, tft changes - that’s it. With that being said - I do like the cheesy red forks /black color way and it will be competitive at 8k usd... but maybe a little small

Agree

The price had it completing with 8-900cc bikes though. They wanted to compete with other 650s so they had to find a way to reduce the price.

Totally agree the inline 4 made it unique

@@Motoboo_Marine Well I agree I do not think it was meant to compete it was meant to be a step above.

@@Motoboo_Marine was it though? The 650 is cheaper than the trident and £500 more than a mt07? Unless the current price is after some cuts

They didn’t just not “move away” from old design language- it is old parts on a modified frame.... the wheels/rotors , suspension, headlight, size , weight - it’s a new engine in a Cb500f chassis...... a downgrade from the cb650r

Isn't the round headlight version still around?

Yup. Thought that’s what it was when I seen the thumbnail. How disappointing/boring..

@@scobeno1911 Good news for us wanting cheap bike thougb

@@carlosandleon sure it’ll be a good ride, just thought it would look a bit better. I was considering the new hornet but not now.

@@scobeno1911 exact same position as you. I was holding off on the MT-07 until I saw this. Jesus it looks nothing like the drawings or model revealed at EICMA. I think that so many people went at Honda for 'copying KTM' that they went more conservative. Such a shame. Still looking out for the new pstrom tho

there is the Z650RS, but it use 180 degree twin, so it will sound like a ninja 250 but if I'm not mistaken team green charge quite a lot for the look

Hornets don't so much buzz than make a grunty helicopter sound. Which I suppose a P2 more closely resembles.

@@ThermicLight Fair enough 😄

My elderly neighbor nick named my Hornet 600 a "bumble bee" because of how the I4 engine sounds at idle.

Yeah, the old hornets sounded more like Mosquitos...270 P-Twin is gonna give that Huey sound. Thankfully it isn't a straight P-Twin, that would have sounded like my neighbors new riding mower.

Agreed! Trying to drum up excitement with that name and then unveil what is effectively a CB750F...

lol. That´s one boring bike dude. Ride an mt 07 or and xsr 700, those are a different experience.

Agree. This Hornet is ugly AF and a twin. A downgrade.

@@ignaciobrenner1620 most people like that low to mid torque. Some like top end torque. But the supersport sound of inline 4 is so good. It screams. A perfect bike would be inline 4 sound at low to mid range torque like that of a v twin. But that's not possible. Most of these bikes bring their full potential on highways and not on regular commutes so inline 4 is awesome on highways. It pulls like a spaceship like in Interstellar travel.

@@Oatmeal4Breakfast mmm i really dont agree with the "pulling" you say. The perfect bikes are not 4 cylinder bikes. The best bikes are triples, that´s why no one is making 4 cylinder bikes. They are almost extint for a good reason.

@@ignaciobrenner1620 I didn't say 4 cyl bikes are perfect I said it's their sound that is perfect. And if with the early torque of a v twin for popping wheelies and quick accn, that would be a perfect all rounder bike. But all of that doesn't matter if you're going on a weekend blast on highways or racetrack and not in day to day traffic commutes. You can always keep the engine on boil to extract the max power of 4 cyl. And in that situation only the sound of the engine matters and that's where inline 4 wins. And the smoothness vibe free that it brings is also an added bonus. The only thing 4 cyl are lacking is their low to mid range torque which is very essential for in and out traffic accn. without burning much fuel and drawing unnecessary attention when you're not really going fast. But still the accn is more than enough to go woosh* from stop or slow moving traffic, it's just that it's not as good as v twin bikes. But on highways 4 cyl is better than any twin or 3 cyl coz of the top end performance. Thumpers Twin and 3 cyl will run out of max torque much earlier than 4 cyl when you're going really really fast. There's a reason for almost all leader bikes having 4 cyl. And no; 4 cyl are not going away. They're just going away in the middleweight segment. 1000 cc is dominated by 4 cyl.

Hopefully they make a "mini Hawk 11" version of the same engine. It'd be one great-looking affordable middleweight cafe racer that somewhat competes with the SV650X and Scrambler 800 cafe racer (Suzuki please don't discontinue the SV-650 line)

@@gsm_liv8980 You know what, that's a great idea! I really hope someone at Honda comes up with this idea. SV seems like a great bike. Eager to see what Suzuki have been developing though.

Hopefully Suzuki won't give us the "mini GSX S1000" look that the leaked bike had. Would be so sad to see the more old-school bike go just to be replaced by that ugly "sporty naked" thing.

@@gsm_liv8980 It would be such a disappointment. I don't like how the GSX S1000 looks :(

If it's anything like my Africa Twin's TFT then yes it will!

It look just like a cb500f ☹

It already looks dated

I agree with you,in the patent video they show that the Hornet has a agressive looks but in the end it looks like a CB500F with a CB650r tail light😪Honda dissapoint me again on their styling

Very generic look

Why 2 cylinder, only not 4?

I think it's all planned how all the bikes never quite compete on a level playing field.

@@chrishart8548 Yep it's smart. Creating an identical product makes for a much sharper head to head competition. Here they can upsell from the MT-07 crew on the basis of TFT screen alone. Or power. Or USD suspension. People will be willing to pay for it as long as it doesn't bump itself into a totally new price bracket (MT-09). This is a softer Duke 890 for commuting and playing. Nothing else on the market like it. We will have to wait for the specs for the new SV700 but I think that will compete more on the budget side. I hope Honda does Up/Down quick shifter on this bike and it will be perfect.

@@drewmorg. reminds me of when bmw came out with the f800 bikes (800cc twin) most of the competition was either 650 of 1000cc or an inline 4 and when bmw offered an 800 or a 1200 honda did the Africa twin 1000cc better than the 800 not as good as the 1200. The price weight and power fell right in the middle. So no real comparison. Triumph did all triples so not really comparable.

@@chrishart8548 It's kinda like inventing new flavors with hints of other flavors. They are all foundational, yet create something unique when mixed a certain way. And we all keep admiring and buying lol

@@drewmorg. I realised what looks shiny and new will look old like the one I bought after a few years. Every time the new what comes out the old one looks a little worse. I'm not falling for it anymore.

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Street triple all the way. I was hoping that Hinds would’ve added some basic things to the hornet like cruise control and heated grips to out play the street triple, but they dropped the ball..again

@@bas7a881 agreed 👍🏼 street also out performs stats I believe ?

@@unclemearl easily. And let’s not forget, street triple has been in the market since 2006, they have been refined and perfected over the years. I am personally waiting for triumph to just add cruise control and heated grips to the street triple before buying one.

@@bas7a881 the heated grips are an extra I think £250. I have the Street Rs so all the extras bar heated grips. Unsure how cruise would go on motorways as mine loves to scream so would be fun lol 😆

@@unclemearl oh that’s good to know! Heated grips oem are critical. As far as cruise control, I mean they put it on the speed triple - so why the hell mot offer it as an option on the street triple lol!

Totally different market. Those are entry level mid-weight bikes. When aprilia offer the absolute highest end of the category for double the price.

a 2009 shiver 750 has better specs than all of those bikes, it’s a pity it wasn’t even mentioned

Japan vs Italy. The stereotypes are real.

They're nice bikes for sure, but they're £10k. These are £7-8k. I wouldn't call them direct competitors.

Aprilia quality is terrible and the dealer network is lacking.

It’s ugly as F 😂

@@KapitanPisoar1 As "F", you mean... :)

yUP looks like mine too lol

@@WL2K funny that! 😀

Coming soon!

@Michael Bigdongovic Would the cb650r still be around? That's the part I'm confused over. The old Hornet has been long gone right?

The 650 I4 just passes current euro 5 but isn't future proof. It's why others have retired their midsize fours in favor of twins. But yeah I wish they kept the neo cafe styling.

$$$ , the cb650r is too expensive.

Portugal is a small market. Honda will probably just tell you to buy an NC750 instead.

Same in Serbia, was dissapointed to see 755cc engine... I think I'm gonna go with suzuki's new 700cc naked, especially if it looks as good as the ongoing gsx s1000 (and I believe it will), because this hornet looks very bleak to me

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 or loose the rest of it's customers for the MT07 and Trident. Seems more likely.

@@Shketri94 some people say the suzuki might be an 800cc

same thing in Croatia

I was just about to get on the blower to a friend and ask her how many miles she gets to a tank as I thought that was mental at over 300 miles to a tank!

The difference in weight is near what you can expect between a full fuel tank. Not something I'd so easily scoff at.

It kind of does just not quite as ugly

Exactly my thoughts. At least a round headlight would've been interesting.

Have you seen the new Suzuki 8s? Imo looks great. For sure my choice. I too was looking at MT07s but compared to the Suzuki, the MT feels like a dinosaur

@@metaomicron72 wow those look nice, maybe that’ll be my third bike someday. I am actually currently preapproved for my buddies ‘14 Fz09, he’s extremely meticulous and does all of his own maintenance and he’s sellin it for $6k

@@HuntPost22 thats awesome! Enjoy it :)

I don’t believe Honda will EVER price their stuff under anyone else.

Also my view... let's hope Honda launches something classic looking based on this. After all having a new platform from scratch will allow them just that... new models with as little as possible rework a la XSR or Z650 RS

@ i hope so, its really dumb to only take of the market the cb 650 r with the neo retro looks

Shoot, the SV650 still looks better.

No regrets mate. The sv looks better and that v twin is a legend of an engine

What is your bike?

@@rabbychan Now it's 2022 Yamaha XSR 900

Hopefully 🤞

Unfortunately I4 are becoming a thing of the past. At least when regarding anything under 1000cc. Though P2 have their strong points too.

I thought that was it's biggest downfall 😂 honda had an opportunity to make something new and different, yet kept the old styling language. painful to see

You are quite right. The front is very similar and I like it to. Drop by when have time.

I was looking to buy it ill see what suzuki new 750 is saying

@@MrPagro21 any release date for that suzuki? Based on what honda said, I was really expecting something different, but visually it really is a cb500f with a bigger engine and a 5 inch TFT display

@@im.js.17 Any time soon next year around the same time as the Honda. Also just wait they might release a sports bike version of the hornet. Honda always give you the most basic look than after 3 years then make it look nice and force you to upgrade.

Gsxs750 is head and shoulders above all of those bikes, especially when you consider the price. Mt07 is ridiculously overpriced in comparison…

HONDA É HONDA. SUZUKI 👎🏿