Why the New Republic had the GREATEST NAVY of all time | Star Wars Legends 

They HAD one. The whole fleet got one shoted into atoms while in orbit to the Capital planet. They kept their whole gov't and military muscle in one convenient spot in a universe where planetary scale super weapons exist.

Bryan Gammill In their defense it’s not like they were expecting to get instagibbed by a superweapon after 30 years of peace.

@@bryangammill200They could have more fleets but were probably retired.

@Darktrooper98: Which only goes to show that their intelligence operations were sh+t, too.

@@bryangammill200 am sorry but what idiot packs his fleet into one place...is it eaven fcking possible? XD

"Let's keep the bulk of our battle fleet over the Republic capital and that way they'll both be safe. It's not like planetary scale super weapon still exist or that someone will build another one. So no need to worry about being one-shoted into oblivion.

I mean the legends one was pretty dumb too. Hey full scale invasion by the vong what do we do with a bad ass navy? Nothing

@@speedyoscarin4450 At least they still HAD a navy. To be fair though, the New Republic wasn't perfect, but at least it didn't have leadership that would spend their time exclusively huffing paint.

Yes, the cannon version of the NR sucks

@@Sigilstone17 The fact that it got destroyed via it's own folly brought on by poor writing rather than evolving naturally proves my point. The NR got axed before it had a single bit of screentime the NR in the Old Canon had weight attached to its changes, highs, and lows.

Mik Moen ^this is everything.

lazy writing. Writers wanted Empire vs Rebels so new secret supper weapon completely destroys entire republic in single event. We are living in a time of bad writers.

William T. Sherman Shoudlve been 2 Galactic powers slugging it out in a galactic war. The Fledgling NR with its new fleets and established government, vs the struggling but still powerful Imperial Remnant. Would’ve been great. Maybe have Luke lead the New Jedi Order instead of giving up. Which was his entire thing in ROTJ he never gave up on his father coming back to the light side, even when obiwan and yoda said it was impossible. Then in the new canon his nephew has one bad dream about the dark side and he decides to try and murder him, give up being a Jedi, and give up on his new order. Ya know seems like the same person to me.

@@nicholaswong6737 personally I think they should have had both a weak new republic and weak Imperial remnant. most of the galaxy is independent and lawless with less of a clear cut good. the main issue is trying to tell a classic story within the Starwars galaxy.

@@williamt.sherman9841 main issue with the "new" trilogy is copy-paste of old story, only made on somewhat bigger scale with lots of plotholes (maybe even plot blackholes).

The movie is not about star wars, and is not about the fans or lore.It is a real life parody, about politics, just like trump want to militiary strongness , in the movie they want military weakness, get it.is hard to believe but their agenda is real, and they starting with our shildhood heroes and movies.

cadbane bountyhunter Exactly! I too strongly oppose rampant American militarism, offensive wars, and the Republican Party’s stance on foreign policy. But Star Wars is fictional and it’s not supposed to convey political messages because that takes away from what Star Wars is. Furthermore, it’s unrealistic to compare galactic conflicts with the foreign policy of a single nation on a planet that hosts a species which have yet to set foot another planet and have only set foot on its own moon with twelve astronauts several times!

It’s super fucking retarded, it’s like the US deciding to keep every single ship in Pearl Harbor, worst part is some fucking dumbasses actually think it’s a good idea to do something like that

@@thiccchungo1041 The US did not keep every ship in Pearl though

@Warren Nelson it was a comparison to show how fucking stupid the idea of keeping your entire navy bottled up in one place is

A fleet of Resurgents vs a fleet of Nebulas would be cool, They could have had a Nebula instead of the MC-85 in The Last Jedi, which would explain how it managed to hold it's own against so many ships.

Save money on cgi

Mario Badia highly doubt it

THANK YOU! I've been thinking the same thing

Hmmm... Subverting expectacions?

Yeah because their fleet was vaporized before anyone got to actually see it.

@Ruosong Gao imagine how crammed the space in that system would be, especially if the new republic had an Executor class equivalent 😂

@Ruosong Gao I want to know where Palpatine got all tens of thousands of star destroyers. That were all scaled up. Even the windows. Lmao. I guess the Star Forge still exists.

Of course the gungans are stronger, they have Lord Binks on their side

@@sherk3286 they actually had! Not quite as big, but they had a super star destroyer kind of thing! The star hawk! Buildt out of like 3 Imperial 2 star destroyers 3 of them were used in the battle of yakku 1 survived and got vaporized in the 7th movie

So it’s treason then

Probably focused on a more desirable "Life Insurance" policy

Idk man Yularen was pretty cool

Cause it wasn't just 'H?' :)

this should be made top comment ahahaha

Degradation is a thing my friend next time they be fighting with stick and stone. Truly the bomber is ridiculous.

Wait those things were bombers? I thought they are the red barrels from Half-Life but in space.

Something from decades before was far superior even when it got stripped down

Tbf the bombers could hold 20 times the bombs of a Y-Wing

@@aperson325 It doesn't matter how many bombs you can carry if you get destroyed before you can use them, the bombers were fragile, slow and quite a bit larger than most fighters, basically easy targets.

old republic: i hve best navy sith empire: ima bout to end this man’s whole career republic: ima bout to end this mans whole career CIS: im about to end this mans whole career empire: imabout to end this mans whole career rebellion: imabout to end this mans whole career first order: im about to end this mans whole career resistence: im about to end this mans whole career new republic: amateurs

Disney: Hold my starkiller....actually gimme dat shiiit

Also New Republic: Here is how you properly use and support an ISD.

@@isaiasvalladares4210 yeah thats why they killed the new republic, because they were too well developed for the first order

Isaias Valladares T70 Xwings equaled a dead Starkiller. Imagine what the Legends NR could’ve done had Starkiller been discovered. The Canon NR intelligence commitee knew about the construction of Starkiller, but did jack shit cause of “politics” and “demilitarization.” The Legends NR would’ve sent the 5th fleet and ended Starkiller instantly. A single Kwing held more ordinance than Poe’s entire Xwing squadron combined.

Stephen Lutz plus the Raddus had limited firepower compared to the REAL New Republic Navy

Gial Ackbar Fan Indeed, sure it had the carrier aspect but that got blown to pieces, fuel efficiency? still the same crude and inefficient fuel consumption. Firepower? laughable. Shields? ....might have to watch it again but it seems to me that there was no redundant shield generators

The New Republic in the current "canon" were such idiots

William Parcell the canon new republic might as well be compared to the Imperials in terms of incompetence

Indeed the new trilogy new republic is filled with nothing but a bunch of idealists thinking that rest of the imperial remnant would just give up, didn't realize that you still needed to carry a big stick in a big galaxy already full of large ships

Wils The Limit Yeah the new star wars is more star skirmish at this point.

The Sequel Trilogy should have been an updated version of the Thrawn Trilogy.

@@heavyarms55 that or given the timeline we shouldve seen the Vong invasion at the current point in the franchise. When matched with the books... which also woulda been a better war, and better story

they did, star killer base destroyed it with the republic.

@@robertagu5533 I would have liked to see the Vong War eventually, but I don't think it would have been good to jump right in.

The alliance of planets which lasted a month and came after the rebellion and before the new republic A stepping stone towards a new republic could do better than the resistance

Tbh, if the resistance existed during the Galactic civil war, they'd be considered a Rebel cell.

An Alliance that *apparently* had only fought the Empire for *a year* before winning.

@@mrridiculous4896 The Resistance is basically what Disney wanted the Rebellion to be, cause as far as they’re concerned, the well-equipped and organized Rebel Alliance defeated the Empire in a year. The Resistance seems more fitting as a movement that’s only been fighting for around that long, though it’s so shit they should’ve been easily stomped but still not be run by winy bitches who are so easy to call it dead

@@teleportedbreadfor3days Yeah, the Resistance, if used properly, can be deadly, if they had competent leaders, which they have (I.g Admiral Ackbar), but almost all of them have been destroyed,

Same

Just every single thing, only not canon

​@@crayzkato6607 "Canon" can be whatever I want it to be. We're talking about made-up space wizards and clone armies, idc what some multi-billion dollar company says is the "true" make-believe. It literally doesn't matter.

I know what you mean, but just to be a little sarcastic: Their best army was probably the one they had around like 40 BBY ;)

@@TomteMiley the only army the republic had during 40 bby was local defense forces

@@mitthrawdoritos30 the only reason the clones at umbara were getting their asses kicked Is because their general at that time was an idiot.

@@Jacobhull04 I know, that's why I wrote "but just to be a little sarcastic"

@@TomteMiley why is it their best army?

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

@@user-rr6jj5mr6f Indeed. Republic no capital ships. Empire barely no carriers.

Because, the empire wasn't completely wrong. Thats why there were many who genuinely believed in it. It brought order to the galaxy, or so it seemed. But the sith were in control and their desire for power corrupts all. There's a bunch of arguments that can spawn from my comment. I made it in less than a minute, if you have a counter argument I probably agree to that too.

@@Dynoids yeah. Its. Kinda like the conflicts between the pope and hre emperor. The ones who joined the republic was the one who was oppressed and other minorities and races that aren't mainly human While the one who joined the empire was rich people and rich planets who needed a better economic faction

And the best part is they used upgraded SDs too

The part that irritated me was that he didn't discuss any of the other contenders in Legends. E.g. Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, Fel Empire, Sith Empire (that succeeded the Fel Empire), the Eternal Fleet, the Rakatan navy, etc. etc. The NR had a meh fleet in that context.

Old meme, solid execution.

@@ChickenWilickers gffa was the new republic tho.

@@shauryapallav5674 I mean it wasn't? The NR was only one member of the alliance that would make up the GFFA. It also had a different government structure and balance of power. Also, the GFFA's navy would be about twice as large as the NR's navy and would also consist of different types of ships entirely (Hapans, Imperials, and the advent of the scythe-class ships come to mind). There's also the change in Navy philosophy as the NR went from whatever was available to the New Class Program to the Star Defender program. Meanwhile, the GFFA shifted from the expensive Star Defender program to a set of less expensive but heavily armed compact capital ships. It's sort of like creating a video about the greatest land-based militaries of all time and then declaring the Roman armies of the Marian-reforms the victor, without considering any of the other forms the roman armies would take.

They arrac They protecc But most importantly Their turbolasers are taim & bacc

Disney: NO

Eck already did a video on this. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aAkDZwo19lY.html

The mc lines have always been reliably good designs, though purely shape-wise, I like the mc80b, myself.

@@apathymanthemundane4165mine is the MC80 Liberty

Not only that. The ISDs etc were mainly designed to envoke fear, so the repressed citizens of the galactic empire wouldnt rebell. But this was achieved at the expense of combat effectiveness. The imperial navy had huge flaws and wasnt as effective or dangerous as it looked like. Combined with partly incompetent personnel due to political fights within the empire and spreading corruption, the imperial navy was deeply flawed. This is one of the biggest reasons the rebel alliance was able to defeat this fascist dictatorship.

Quality wins in this case, also if a star destroyer with 10 turbolasers (no prices for guessing which) can destroy a ship that has more than 20 and have two giant cannons in front of it (Munificent frigate), I don't think it will have a chance against one that has 80 turbolasers (Nebula destroyer)

Alejandro Hernández an Imperial Class Star Destroyer has 60 Turbos of varying sizes depending on the class. Much more than 10.

@@nicholaswong6737 I said than, even without many anti Capital weapons, a Venator could wipe the floor with the mayority of the CIS capital ships individually (main exceptions are the Providence and Luckrehuk), so something than was specificaly made to counter something as well armed as an ISD (in this case being the Nebula SD) would be more than an unfair match for almost all the CIS capital ships

Disney Canon = Not TRUE Canon

LordOfThe Flightless Imma shoot that canon out of a cannon into the pit of non-canon.

*shouts* There is nothing to see here so go on home, I repeat there is nothing of value here, go back to your homes!

@@mcd3424 Legends was never officialy canon ssssssooooooooo..............

@@mariobadia4553 it is to the fans...like the man said Disney canon is not canon

And its almost like they just scraped all the imperial ships and weapons from the galactic warspoils

casbott They developed the Nebula Star Destroyer. It is basically the perfect capital ship.

@@martinjrgensen8234 I meant how did they retrofit the current stock of *_Imperial_* Star Destroyers they inherited.

casbott they really didn’t retrofit the ones they received that much. The tactics and logistics on HOW they used it changed. Unlike the empire, the NR used the ISD’s in their proper role, as a capital ship to ship combatant, not as a general purpose can solve anything ship. They supported it with escort frigates, a proper fighter Corp, etc

Took parts from here And put it over there Ezpz

Han Park it’s not that simple, but they did make slight modifications. But adding anything significant like 30 extra turbos or mon Cala shielding would require an extensive redesign of the entire superstructure and hypermatter reactor, because the standard ISD reactor would not be able to generate the amount of power needed for those modifications.

The high consul of terra in 40k burocratical nigthmare+ religious fanaticism+ ineficient tech.

I would say borsk

Pellaon all day long. Tho in nebulas defense it would be decades if no centuries old because legacy never gave us a exact date of conception of the pellaon I think.

@@danielandrews1212 the Legacy Comics are set 137 years ABY so the Nebulas wouldn't be centuries old.

Idk about round 1, but the Nebula sucks. The Pellaeon wins

As long as you compare the times, napoleons force was great, but any modern military would wipe the floor with them, or the soviet army(If you have the roughly same sized force)

I do believe he's planning on it, but things like that take lots of time and resources. I don't know for sure but I'd venture the one he did probably took the better part of a year. It's amazingly done, and it's definitely worth the wait though

They were still part of the New Republic Navy, and the B-wing was one of the best heavy bombers of all time, though I still like the Y-wing more

Still better than the ones from the Last Jedi

TheWingland what weapons would the Spartans have access to, because missile launchers vs a couple guns doesn’t sound right

@@cookiee818 but Star Wars has much superior weapons to Halo, although missile launchers is a no. How could the Spartans possibly keep up with the Mk3's blasters?

@@hydragony5223 superior guns ? You are kidding rigth?

@@carlosgarcia-lu6re I dunno, the blasters seem to be much more effective than ballistics

@@hydragony5223 well they are effective against The armor of star wars but against halo armors and shields they are toys, by The lore star wars weapons make 1/5 of what a bullet can do (from halo) and armors are also a lot more advanced than what The GAR, Empire and NR have (i believe that The old republic would be on par with unsc post-war). Point is halo is one of The most OP universes, And well The most OP thing of halo is The spartans, they are supersoldiers capable of killing millions in hours, evade bullets going at almost 50 times The speed of sound, ( they are not that fast but theire reflexes allows them to react in milliseconds) thats without spartan time, I mean i love star wars but halo is toó OP

TheWingland brute loses, but a chieftain my stand a chance. Imma put money on the predator though. Although the brutes ability to smell and track prey, on top of raw physical strength and insurance would be an incredible asset. I just believe the weapondry used by the Predator along with their skill set would of put some of the brutes advantages to the point where the predator would win the majority of the time.

They did fight imperial remnant and thrawn (which thrawn shit all over them of course and they only won coz of lucky + plot armor.)

Legitimate question, what does the New Republic do in canon, I forgot?

Isaiah Albers mmm get their capital blown up because they ignore the obvious threat that their military intelligence gave them? Other than that demilitarize to the point that they only have one fleet :)

Even now i have refused to watch it, even for free on Netflix, and i never will.

A valid point but they also hard poor leadership. The CIS was defeated my a Republic Navy in 3 years, when before those 3 years the Republic did not even have a navy. Ya the Jedi helped but a sizeable chunk of the navy was lead by non-Jedi commanders. The Republic Navy did better then their ground forces did.

@Amber Hoke Sheev wasnt directing that tactics of the forces used in a battle. It was deciding the overall strategy of the war. When an equal number of CIS ships encountered an equal number of Republic ships, Sheev did not step in and purposely give the CIS bad tactics. He didnt do anything once the battle started. All his manipulations occurred long before the battle even started. So no your point isnt really valid. Read any Clone Wars novel/comic or watch the show and watch how the commanders act to each other and you will see what I mean. Sheev isnt showing up in the middle of the battle to tell Admiral Trench or Grevious how to move his men around. The CIS military commanders were simply less capable then the Republic forces. The CIS only won their battles if they had like an 8 to 1 odds and the Republic was completely unprepared... as in only if Sheev made it so they had an overwhelming advantage.

IOPSlayer Slayz HOW is that even fair? The CSO is 29km while the Venator is less than 1.2km in length.

@@Reyma777 wait ... Shoot sorry got mixed imma fix that

IOPSlayer Slayz No problem, some of Covenant ship names are confusing, plus some of their carriers and cruisers look very similar to each other. A CSO heavy energy projector would probably one shot a Venator lol.

IOPSlayer Slayz I don’t think a CSO vs a 1.6 km Imperial II Star Destroyer is fair either.

@@Reyma777 how about the long night of solace at only 1/4 fighting capacity?

That was compared to the Rebel Alliance, not its later evolution into the New Republic

BET😂

Actually, that would be cool...

It's CSO class super carrier, CCS class is a battle cruiser.

Logan Whitney EckhartsLadder and ECHenry should do this as part of their next project!

George Labe-Assimo I agree and I've seen some of ECHenry's work like the First Order's TIE Bomber and The Resistance's Y-Wing and B-Wing designs and HOLY MOTHER THAT IS STAR WARS they are awesome looking, check them out if you haven't seen them yet

Yes

A combined fleet of Providences and Venators, boy that'd be glorious.

@@AnakinSkywakka also include some Munificent's and Acclimator's for a fast production and disposable fleet ship and Lukrehulk's for planetary defense and you got a winner but the Quasar, Charger C70, Cr90, and Republic medical Frigate and Carrac class are more meant to harass opponent's in small number's

leon fierce at that point the Venator would be so outclassed by capital ships it’s size it wouldn’t be worth it to use as an all round general purpose ship. As a specialized fleet carrier maybe, but the Secutor and Endurance classes already filled that role and did it better.

@@nicholaswong6737 I honestly don't like the Endurance and Secutor class the venator was an ingenious carrier in my opinion, and all the carrier's after were only playing for second place also, it can't be that hard to modify it with modern star war's technology, replacing and rearranging some weapon's here and there answer me this, if the Venator were brought back and modified to modern-day star wars technology with the same shield's as the Nebula and the same weapon's and weapon placement's, would it not, and be honest, be one of the best capital ship/carriers in your fleet, and if not, please explain why, I like the Venator because it was designed with rationally minded people that knew what they were doing and is in my heart, one of the best star wars carrier's in all of star wars

leon fierce here’s the problem: Power generation. A Venator can’t be modified to the standard of 30 ABY tech because it lacks the reactor necessary to sustain more turbolasers. In order to modify the Venator up to current standards, you’d have to redesign the entire superstructure of the ship. At that point it isn’t even a Venator anymore. In terms of shielding it’s also a problem. Power generation for the advanced mon Cala shields, let alone the triple redundant ones require vast amount of energy the Venator simply couldn’t produce with its outdated hypermatter reactor. It also had an exposed Bridge, and a limited backwards firing arc for its main turbolasers. I love the Venator to death, but it is outdated compared to the secutor and Endurance, which were the next evolution of dedicated carrier. Even the FO in canon recognized the value of the Venator, but did not employ it. Instead they built an entirely different ship taking the best aspects of it while getting rid of its weaknesses via the superstructure redesign. What they got was the resurgent, a battleship as well as a carrier.

That is not even a challenge, warhammer 40K will destroy anything the Forerunners got

@@sidiouswargaming3971 Proof? Context matters.

Forerunners

Battle of the Dreadnaughts

If thrawn wasn't killed, the Empire could have won. But thrawn is no navy, he's Just part of it. And the TIE Defender is good, but you neef carriers to bring Them to another system

@@erikjan15585 except you miss the fact that TIE Defenders have hyperdrives so they don't need capital ships to carry them. TIE Ds can operate independently.

@@dimenzed I forgot that... But still, you don't have capital ships

@@erikjan15585 what do you mean?

@@dimenzed Star destroyers, dreadnoughts, etc.

Battle of the Dreadnaughts