Why the Night Lords are the Best Traitor Legion | Warhammer 40k Lore 

Don't talk bad about my father, only we can do that.

You should cover the rogue trader era

Make video on lucius the eternal and all these space marines chapters flame falcons raptors silver skulls storm giants Mantis warriors Noise marines Sons of malice Sons of antaeus Also make a videos about the machine god omnissiah beastmans in 40k ollanius pius Soul forge Daemon engines Warp smiths and dark mechanicum

Maximum damage...minimal losses. They are a finite resource and use it well.

Talk about Sevatar damn you!

Which book is this? This sounds really interesting

@@necrosis7525 Horus Heresy Volume 2, The Long Night by Aaron Dembski-Bowden

That would be Sevatar!

Sevatar is an absolute gigachad, and a criminally underrated character

@@evanf.4801 Sevatar for President!

Yeah, well. The clue is in the name. Chaos. They are chaotic. Those that have standardized combat doctrines, "sane" tactics and such are always going to be outliers in a faction literally named "Chaos."

-Be Iron warriors. -Your Team and Bros go insane. -Hard Carried the Siege of Terra.

@@codysing1223 Perturabo had literall headache while dealing with his corrupted brothers. Honestly, there is high chance that Horus and company would not even reach Terra if not for Lord of Iron

@@codysing1223 I'm surprised Perturabo and his sons didn't end up with hunched backs with how much they carried the traitor legions...

@@PumpkinHoard that logic is pretty shit as we could go on to say that the fact that they have ranks is also not Chaos-like. Chaos doesn't have to automatically mean "can't organise yourself" (e.g: they literally have ranks of authority as I said).

This

Idk if better than anyone else, the Alpha Legion does it differently but still at least on par with the emo bois imo.

Batman

I remember reading a book about a lone Night Lord that ended up on a hive world. Chaos tried to tempt him, but he wouldn't have it, believing that fear was the weapon, not the goal. When another Night Lord band turned up, he rejected them for their corruption. Does anyone know the name of the book, and if there was a sequel? He had an ex-Inquisition psyker lady, with one arm missing, as his new companion.

@@ThePathStrider The Lord of the Night. You were talking about my boy Zso Sahaal, Talonmaster of the Night Lords and Captain of the Raptors.

Uh, Krieg Archebus is a Daemon Prince yet his Warband is the larges Painted Count is a senior leader in the modern Night Lords

@@christiandauz3742 It's less they obey the will of chaos and more many leaders have been corrupted overtime and they're not ones to overthrow already placed authority. All the shit they put up with for Cruz is proof of that.

@@BadGladeCrazy Uh, Krieg has the largest warband Painted Count orders them Even Talos' warband is corrupt

Ehh pretty sure the Iron Warriors and Word Bearers also disliked the Imperium before Chaos told them so. But yeah the Night Lords are awesome.

@@christiandauz3742 my boi Zso Sahaal will come back one day and tear Acerbus a new asss. AVE DOMINUS NOX!

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Why the hell did they WANT Konrad crazy? Did they just think the night haunter side was doper so fuck this "justice" side?

Lmao

No he still had favorites.

@@nothuman3083 I think he only liked one of his children and that was Sevatar

@@jerelly9469 Shang, Talos, etc

@@ShockFist oh my mistake, I’m not the most knowledgeable about the night lords, I’m more of an iron warriors fan

I agree, Sevatar is cool

Agree, Sevatar is a very under utilized character!

Prince of crows, and a lesson in darkness

Yeah i like sevatar i lot specialy in his dead because is when he is talking with the astropath girl that he understand what are the night lords need and what the shoud became a legion of true justice and not a legion of night and darkness

love his lore

Honor is for knights and fools ... You can die with honor but a Night Lord would rather live to fight another day.

Yeah that part was great. And when Huron turned around to try and give them the hey we can do it together pep talk they had already bounced to commence stealing the Echo back. This sums up the NL really well.

In 30k the ability Nostromen Blood literally lets them fall back 1” inch further lmao

The crimson corsairs. Yeah it was really funny hiding behind them and the terminators could hear them laughing behind their back which became better when Huron turned around to have a go they stole one of their original ships back and then their cruiser which their captain on who was possessed nicked his body back from the demon and destroyed a whole squadron of cruisers and destroyers in a yolo just to troll his demon.

@@jakehughes6087 Varial just killed the captain where I’m at but good to know they succeed XD

"As if you're any different"

"You exercise exterminatus every time things get hard for you"

But for me, it was tuesday.

"War crimes are for the losers, you are never convicted for your senseless destruction and bloodshed. I kill a few thousand in the most deplorable ways to save billions, you kill hundreds of millions in nuclear fire to lay claim over the ruins and then think yourself as righteous."

The imperium existence is a war crime by itself. I wonder if there are any human factions that exist outside the imperium. I mean the interex, diasporex and serverand dominate existed but I think they all died out.

Even their slaves are still treated better then most serfs, they literally get anything they ask for if they ask. They might get murdered though.

True….

Wait those were our guys ?

And that bitches love cannons

"HEY KIDS WANNA SEE A DEAD BODY????"

@@GCHumanGuy clearly he’s just bonding with them the same as when he walked the streets as a kid

@@GCHumanGuy you activated my Alu Card

See, as much as I love Konrad and Night Lord's, this shows the hypocritical nature of Konrad. He let the assassin kill him to like prove a point thay the future can't be changed, but he just changed the future by killing thay guy instead of him getting away or training under him

@@shockwave.9749 To be fair he didn’t know wich would happen, he just chose to take the safer option.

@@requiemlul3140 yea but, and not meaning to sound rude, isn't really relative to my point. He successfully changed the future that he foresaw, but he let the assassin kill him

@@shockwave.9749 He didn’t change the future, he chose one of two he saw. Changing it would mean he purposefully made it a future he DIDN‘t see.

@@requiemlul3140 killing the criminal was neither of the two futures konrad saw.

Can't forget "DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR"

100% disagree

Obvs never heard of the death guard, world eaters and emperor’s children 🤦‍♂️

80% Agree!!! We need more of this...!!! GW has options... hopefully they won't burn out their fanbase before they start thinking outside of this corny little box that many fans want them to stay in... Nightlords Omnibus was a lot more than I expected it to be and the diversity amongst the Chaos Worshippers/Chaos Undivided legions is a big draw... If they continue to make it hard to pigeonhole Chaos and Loyalist... I also appreciate the same differences in the Loyalist Legions too.... i.e. Jagathai and his sons are just as crazy as Chaos Legions...

@@DanielLee-cb1dp subjective opinions man

100% agree. Batman’s Boys Are Better.

People with nothing have loyalty to nothing. Until, that is, you're the first person to give them anything, let alone superpowers and most importantly purpose.

@@finnl6887 That is such a good comment my mate! I love it. This given me new thoughts. The Imagination of a Story, that the Big-E purposefully went to the most wretched places, to find loyal recruits. He could've just taken noble sons and the like, but he needed something more. Such great thoughts, thank you.

In "Sigismund: The Eternal Crusader" it seems recruits are taken from all over Terra, certain Legions scour certain regions, but in the end all recruits no matter if their sons of nobles, nomads, gangers etc. are taken to processing centers were they are psychological screened and then assigened to legions they would fit best e.g. Sigismund was almost assigned to the XII, but then it was decided to assigne him to the VII. Sigismund always despited the Night Lord, the main reason for that was that he was taken by a Night Lord that frightend the s**t out of him.

@@cdev2117 Yes, that is true. It's more so the timeline. The first recruits on Terra were taken from different places. Later on, from everywhere, and than often from the Primarchs planet. For example. Look up the Blood Angel Legion, the Revenant legion on the lexicanum. There is a line: "..as the early IXth Legion recruited from the lost and dispossessed of Terra.." The early. The foundation. They were also used to hold the line, as they were especially murderous. Which is an interesting combination of how that came to be. Also, it's not a one time thing: "..On the moons of Neptune, 12,000 warriors of the IXth disappeared but nonetheless managed to endure and complete their mission. They had largely replenished their numbers taken from the barely human dregs of Neptune's tunnels. .." And: "..They became spectres that haunted the wild places of the Great Crusade, the terrors loosed by the Emperor to clear his path across the stars. .." The early history of the Legions are quite interesting. Why did they favor recruits like that? Why have the initiates became like that after the implantation. There is more lore about the Revenant Legion. In one, they were recruiting from people who were mutated, corrupted or disfigured by the warp. Their geneseed being super resilient, healed these people, and turned them into how Blood Angels tend to look like. Why? How? I find it interesting.

Definitely the other legions reasons were complete bull crap though I do respect the Word bearers for at least admitting it

Tbf, I think anybody would if they had the nails drilled into them like Angron did. Didn’t help that the Emp let his gladiator brothers die by teleporting him out when it mattered the most.

@@GigachudBDE that’s why I said I kinda get why he hated emp like if my dad stopped me from helping my bros and left them to die when he could 10000% of helped I’d probably kill my dad lol

The Imperium kept slaves (eg: when they killed the diasporex they took the humans in there as slaves). The Emperor also teleported Angron out and left his friends to die. Even if Angron never had the nails, I'm sure he would have still rebelled, even if not as a Khornate.

Iron Warriors not so much. Perty was as analytical as they come, he had no qualms sending in Army forces as fodder, heck he even allowed Warsmiths to throw legionnaires around like they're the freaking World Eaters if it meant an "efficient" war. But his autism prevented him from seeing the hypocrisy of his ways when he "boohoo no one loves me, the Emprah hates me" when he didnt even give a flying F about normal men under his command.

Bell of lost souls was fun, the rules still make them effective even against the rail gun tau since they group together. You spread out and have heavey fire power spaced out in the front lines I am screwed. To be completely fair I solely focus on morale not fire power, which is devastating unless against crons, nidz, or Grey knights.

Chaos legions like the NL's deserve their own upgrade sprues, GW is such an negligent IP owner, busy selling Ultra Marine leggings and investing in mobile games lol

@@GloriousGrunt I was told by an ex-GW regional recruitment manager the other day that she wouldn't be surprised if the accessories upgrade kits you can buy from GW for Night Lords are just left over stock from 20 years ago still sitting around gathering dust in the warehouse. If they're white metal, it is definitely the 20 year old stock, should check the metal tags, they have the cast date on them. Those, along with Catachans are still some of the only metal model kits GW still sells. (mainly because they made a lot more than they should of expecting them to sell well but none of them did and they're still sitting on hundreds of boxes 20 years old I'm told). If you order something online from Games Workshop, either from their tiny catalogue on their webstore, or their complete listings on Ebay and it comes in a White box with Warhammer on it and an Aquila with nothing else, it's new old stock from decades ago they've just been sitting on waiting to get rid of. I assure you GW doesn't throw anything away, they try to sell anything they can, which is why they have an Ebay account. The only stuff they don't keep, is anything that has had it's models or parts updated at any point. Older stuff either gets dumped to landfill or (more commonly than not) somehow ends up being thrown into a storage garage and left forgotten. I remember someone telling me once when they went to a blind storage auction in Sydney Australia as the owner had stopped paying the rent and they opened it, they found it and I am not kidding or paraphrasing here, top to bottom filled with 2nd edition Warhammer 40 000 boxes and boosters. Someone from Games Workshop AU/NZ just started dumping the remainder of GW's entire Oceanic inventory from when they started phasing it out in 1999, into that one storage garage at some random storage place in north Sydney and it had been sitting there for over a decade (I had this conversation in 2014); Whoever did it, simply stopped paying the rent on it, so their stuff went up for auction. He won it and told me he's been selling it all online. This was 8 years ago so it's likely all gone now. The vast majority of it was 2nd edition starter boxes I'm told.

@@foxdavion6865 that would have been the sickest find holy hell

@@GloriousGrunt Since he is in the antiques and pawn trade, he didn't really appreciate the value or the significance of it all, started selling it cheap. He didn't appreciate it till after he talked to myself and others online about it whom he met in Warframe (which was the game we were playing together at the time). He told me he was "disappointed" it was full of "wargame toy model kits". As most blind Auctions usually are blind listed because it's something highly sort after like comics, cards or a small number of valuable antiques mixed in with 90% junk wood crap from tourist traps. We let him know why it was a blind auction. He didn't tell us how much he won the bid for, but did tell us it was in the 4 figure range. I don't really have a high opinion of pawn dealers in general, they have a well earned reputation for grifting people out of often hundreds of dollars on rare items to sell to rich celebs, yuppies, CEOs, antiques collectors, museums etc etc for often 2 to 3 times the amount they paid to get it in the first place and then brag about how much they banked on their find. They share the same personality quirks as the greedy a-holes who sleep soundly at night who make gatcha games.

Iron warriors 😑

*Warriors

XD I thought I was the only one who mistaken their names.

IMO Alpha Legion would arguably be a much better candidate to be described as "black ops" - conducting almost every mission in total secrecy, using assymetrical warfare tactics to destroy the enemy without sustaining casualties, utilising covert operatives, adopting whatever tactics and equipment necessary to suit situations and opponents, operating with complete focus on the mission and remaining pragmatic no matter the circumstances. Even the Iron Warriors would be better candidates than Night Lords as their whole modus operandi is ruthless efficiency and they have a very calculating mindset that would serve any special forces operator very well. Of all the Legions, Iron Warriors seem to be the most like real-world soldiers in that to them war is simply an equation to be solved by the economical application of firepower and brute force rather than a matter of honour, ideals or personal glory. Night Lords are more like Batman, The Joker and Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now combined (in fact, Colonel Kurtz and Apocalypse Now are referenced many times in NL background, not least of all with Konrad Kurze's name). They have some effective tactics and when they're motivated they're highly dangerous, but they're far too petty, divided and emotional to have anything like the utterly focussed, tactical and pragmatic mindset of special forces operators. Not trying to discredit your opinion though, only contributing my own. I'm glad you're enjoying reading about the legions. Iron Within, Iron Without!

@@kellerblair2952 Iron Warriors are the siege breakers. The hammer to the nail

That’s how Batman works dummy no one’s asks Bruce shit but they all fear Batman

@@loganesposito265 bad analogy, Bruce Wayne is always shown to be using his wealth and power to set up social infrastructure and help purge what corruption he can on that side

To be fair he probably didn't even need to do that. Could have probably just left a few trusted squads to continue his work while he was gone.

It's dumb they couldn't just pretend he was still on planet and either use holograms or insane looking servitors as well as the government themselves flaying someone every once in a while to keep everyone in line Konrad rly didn't give a fuck

There was no one who could form a stable government. All the people of Nostramo were corrupt. Even his own sons whom he hated. Nostramo needed proper education to social engineer people, so they could live like a normal society. Maybe instal govermnent and law enforcers from some other planet...

Ave Dominus Nox

They arent a Chaos Faction, they are a Chad Faction

Haarkan Worldclaimer works for the Black Legion Decimus is Talos' successor

woah, same here, spooky. I'm on a Sandy Mitchell and ADB binge read

Honestly by this point I think GW should just get get of the black legion as the big bad of chaos marines.

Crazy to think that the trilogy was my first entry into 40k… been hooked ever since.

@@chadstorm92 nice

I started it recently and can't put it down, also painting CSM as night lords, the new CSM models really lend themselves to the NL look especially the warp talons

They have war band leaders that are chaos, they have some that aren't. The legion as a whole is spilt, though they actually occupy worlds and rule. They even build things.

Machiavelli is wrong though; fear only works until something scarier than you comes along. Then they will turn on you in an instant. Love and respect on the other hand, will at least buy a moments hesitation.

@@SH-qs7ee also pretty sure things didn’t end well for Machiavelli

That would be the coolest shit over!

No. Traitor legions hate each other and don’t get along unless Abaddon creates a new Black Crusade

@@royaltyfree9607 the Iron Warriors don’t care who they work with as long as they win

Aren't they too small to actually pose a threat, since they aren't even aligned to any god??

They did cooperate with the Red Corsairs a few times. Quite well, in fact, due to being given roles that superbly suited their combat doctrine.

Might be assuming but always nice to have more LGBT Warhammer players

@@blooop1286 You've assumed right there and yeah,glad I'm not the only LGBT Warhammer fan

A Night Lords combat patrol seems unlikely since only factions with their own codex or supplement get a combat patrol. Though it would still be reasonable to hope for a Night Lords character or maybe an upgrade sprue if they decide to expand the concept from regular to chaos space marines.

@@easonyeung2779 I can see that I was being hopeful but I do really want to get plastic Night Lords or at least upgrade sprues. Hopefully better ones than the noise marine ones

@@PelinalDidNothingWrong Although, since they're refreshing the Heresy range into plastic, meaning that they're also likely to remake legion-specific units which you can probably substitute into 40k because the Night Lords don't seemed to have changed much in terms of tactical doctrine or organization since their legion was broken.

The moment he realized it probably wasn't the best of ideas made me burst out laughing.

@@Shawaeon honestly that whole fragment is great. "He had to admit, even if only to himself, that this was one of his less wise ideas. No amount of biological enhancement, nor even the most advanced suit of Maximus-pattern power armour, could shield him from the gravitational forces pressing against him. He felt nausea for the first time in over a century, which was novel enough to make him grin."

No

White Scars are interesting but the Raven Guard feel like a budget Night Lords that got mogged on by everyone lol

There is a reason Malcador and the Emperor never told Dorn about the True Nature of the Warp, Chaos Had they told him he would have studied the Warp and be corrupted

@@christiandauz3742 I get the Dornian Heresy reference where Rogal Dorn got corrupted by Chaos when he gets a little too much into his Pain Glove. I mean in canon, Dorn apparently saw the Emperor in his vision when using the Pain Glove (prior to the Iron Cage incident) which is kinda sketchy and it won't be a surprise if Chaos Gods can appear in his visions too.

@@TheWarmachine375 Malcador told Dorn during the Siege that his tendency to extremely study something he did not understand was why he did not tell him about Chaos. He would study it and not know it would corrupt him.

@@christiandauz3742 To be fair, Dorn is a very firm believer in the Imperial Truth (yes that one was deemed heretical in a current Emperor-worshiping Imperium) and would find logic at everything after studying them. Dorn outright disowned Sigismund because from his perspective, his formerly favored son gave in to superstition for listening to a prophecy of some old woman instead of ignoring her and follow his logic. Yeah, Sigismund has daddy issues because of that and became the founder of the Black Templars where they are absolute lunatics.

@@christiandauz3742 And yet they just let Lorgar with the obvious Shrine World and Magnus the Wizard King slide? That's just weird. Tbh every 'explanation' for 'why did the Emperor lie about Chaos/the Warp' just digs the hole deeper.

Going into the NLO, I pretty much hated every night lord character. By the end I loved them all except Cyrion. Fuck Cyrion.

@@KnightofLondor uzas or whatever his name was was the worst

@@nurgle333 Did you finish the omnibus?

@@KnightofLondor yeah, I still like cyrion more, he'll get his eventually

@@nurgle333 I like Uzas for his increasing lucidity throughout the omnibus, becoming more and more of an actual character. Cyrion to me was kind of boring the whole time until the end - where I dislike him, naturally, as ADB intends

Mark 3 and 4 kits are solid for combining with the raptor kits or even between themselves

I just use the HH raptors and heads. They are dope.

Why not both

@@frostyfoster7267 My wallet

Yeah, it's one of those things in the NL trilogy that often gets overlooked is that a lot of the portrayal of the Night Lords is distorted thanks to Talos' POV. What MK is talking about in the vid is a lot closer to 'how Marines like Talos see the Legion' rather than 'how the Legion is'. Plus even Talos acknowledges in the first book that the most powerful known warband of the VIII is that of Kreig Acerbus (antagonist from the older 'Lord of the Night' book), a Night Lord Daemon Prince firmly on the 'sadistic, flay them for the jollies' side of the Legion.

His soul is in a eldar soul catcher that was in his crown he can come back but his loyalty depends Big E could do what he did for roboute and revive him and forgive him then he’d be loyal but that unlikely

Rumour has it that each meal from the Dark Angels, was just so good, he could bring himself to leave XD except to break an Astropath's neck.

They're Raven Guard sucessors