One reason why the Warthog is always seen is cause we are almost always working with Marines. In the Lore the IFVs and APCs are mostly used by the Army units that garrison planets. The expeditionary and spec ops forces (Marines, ODSTs and Spartans) mostly rely on lighter vehicles, since they are bound to ships that have a limited transport capacity.
To expand on the topic of the video: The M12 Warthog and M15 Razorback are a type of vehicle that served a wide variety of Roles much like the M38 Willys MB, the M151 Mutt and the Humvee family. In Lore the reasons why the Warthog was the one vehicle we saw the most was due to the ships cargo capacity and the fact that we never had even the slightest of glimpse at the UNSC Army; the only UNSC Branches we see the most even in Halo Wars are the Navy and Marines. The Warthog and Razorback in my eyes can and would serve roles that even most MRAPs couldn't achieve due to the bed size and and the ability to navigate Rough Terrain with ease. easily if not for its Combative roles they can be used for Logistical means and other non combative roles. though it would be fun to have the APC variants and Improvised Variants of the Warthog. Most of the issues from the two vehicles in question come down too the problem we had with the Consoles and their limitations hence why we never saw vehicles from Halo Wars appear in Halo Reach or Halo 4; also vehicles like the M478 Oryx IFV and m349D Bison APC were Made After the first 3 halo games and by Fans for approval by 343.
@@ryan_1099 yeah but we also only see the parts of the unsc army used to support the spartans in the few battles we see, as a majority of the forces for the unsc army were focused on civilian and military evacuation including the defence of the outer skirts of cities and space elevators. We dont get to see this in new alexandria due to the army not scrambling fast enough as the invasion of reach was a suprise one
I believe lore wise the Warthog was a recon/general transport vehicle that was pressed into frontline service simply because of the threat faced. It is the IRL equivalent of a technical mixed with escort destroyer mentality. Not meant to be in the thick but just how it ended up because of the nature of the war. Plus orbital insertion of anything bigger starts to get unfeasible.
@@oneplayer4805the manual for Halo 2 actually mentions this, if you got the Covenant variant of the Manual when they talk about UNSC Weapons they mention that they're effective although primitive.
Arguably, the reason APCs aren't that common in the Halo verse may be because they really don't do anything that Pelicans can't. A Pelican carries a good complement of troops, can be loaded up with a good number of weapons, naturally comes with heavy armour, and is more maneuverable and versatile than any ground vehicle. In real life, you'd rarely see a Chinook used for APC-specific functions, but that's more a result of their reliance on fuel and hence their short endurance. In Halo all aircraft (and indeed the Pelican is also a spacecraft, further helping its case) are powered by fusion reactors that you just don't see on land vehicles (Scorpion and Warthog use internal combustion engines) probably due to size constraints. Because they are nuclear-powered, their endurance and replenishment needs are probably comparable to or even better than APCs. In that light, why would you ever use an APC for anything?
There's only one problem with the warthog and it can be summed up in a few words Me: sniping enemies Me: sees warthog Me: oh my gosh it has no doors, easy headshot I think the humvee is better its got bulletproof doors and windows but the warthog is probably much faster and much more agile
The lack of a guided missile system on the rocket hog is meant to soft cap the player. If you look closely when driving with a crew the gunner has missiles that track so it is functional but most likely taken out because of multiplayer balancing.
Canonically the Warthog actually has armored variants with doors and heavy plating. In fact the base model has spaced titanium armor but the doors are removed. So I'd say the warthog is a good vehicle for it's role.
Nah the Warthog is not a good vehicle for its role as a light expeditionary vehicle. Compare the warthog with the US JLTV, the Army's replacement for the humvee. It doesn't hold up at all.
@@g1jetfireandrainbowdash798 don't know if the Elephants would be considered APCs. They're too large and slow to really work as one. Honestly I'm not really sure what the Elephant's actual purpose was. It seems like it was just for hauling equipment rather than anything combat related. Edit: After some research, it seems the Elephant is supposed to be both a mobile base and some sort of siege platform, much like Halo 4's Mammoth
I would suggest also taking a look at the vehicles of Halo Wars 1 and 2 and the Expanded Universe since there's some interesting stuff there like the M99 Stanchion which can turn personal and light vehicles into paste even when they are hiding behind 3 apartment blocks.
or the cobra which can do the same to the target AND the apartment blocks lmao still cant believe the crap they replaced that beautiful machine with in wars 2
@@tylerherr4288 The inlore explanation for why the Cobra doesn't appear in HW2 is because the UNSC ended up taking its turret and mounted it onto the base defenses as an anti-vehicle turret.
@@Spartan_Tanner i thought it was phased out due to the proto type plans sabrena "borrowed" before they left arcadia doesnt matter in my case though because the kodiak is still ugly as hell compared to the cobra
The Warthog is a Technical IMO. It relies on speed and concepts of maneuver warfare rather then armor. It's modern Calvary, designed to attack unprepared forces with speed and mass numbers for hit and runs as well as assaults on lightly defended positions.
Makes sense considering trying to fight the Covenant through drawn-out fights tends to hurt the UNSC in most cases. That's why Gorilla like tactics tended to be more favored and effective. Quick hits with speed, powerful weaponry, and in mass can make for good and decisive victories against oncoming enemy forces. Something the Warthog excels at. Most heavier vehicles that are on the the slower scale tend not to last long due to the power and heat of plasma. But throw in a few quick Warthogs that plasma has trouble catching up too and it makes the fight more difficult for the Covenant.
UNSC vehicles are designed with a focus on speed over armor. My head canon on this was always that Covenant weaponry hits so hard that armor would be prohibitively slow, so they just said "fuck it, speed is life."
thats actually exactly true atleast in the books game difficulty is another thing but to put it into perspective a bunch of marines were escaping in a sewer pipe with the chief right behind them they were being chased by a wraith (big alien mortar tank) they were WELL into the pipe and the wraith fired a shot that landed just outside the pipe the heat and shock wave alone was enough knock chief on his ass iirc and burned the rest of the marines alive despite chief and his shields taking the blunt of it another problem with facing down plasma weaponry without energy shields (and even then eshields alone arent enough to save you) is that the shots are sticky in a way if a plasma round nails your shoulder pad assuming your shoulder isnt just gone that plasma round is going to transfer its heat into the armor and its just going to keep melting till it reaches ambient temp which means you are going to get some pretty bad injuries if you are hit even with armor
Probably cause the covvies tend to have air superiority over the UNSC. Whats a heavily armored APC gonna do when it gets hit by plasma fire from a banshee? It'll end up melting and/or cooking the crew inside of it.
They probably tried to use heavier armor in those first battles against the covenant at the start of the war. By the end of the war they had long since decided that faster vehicles were more advantageous. Hence why your seeing full-blown offensives headed by warthogs and a handful of fast tanks by the end of the war.
I just thought the UNSC was using what they had on hand, while fighting a losing war. At least that's how it struck me when playing Halo 3 driving a four wheeler while fighting a scarab.
that was one reason iirc grade A titanium was rare especially after losing reach so rare in fact that they tore every bit of it out of a spartan 2 that just wanted to quit and start a family (though that was very likely out of spite)
It’s worth mentioning that against an enemy like the covenant who makes use of very slow, heavy vehicles with slow moving projectiles the warthog could be a legitimate danger BECAUSE of how light it is. There was a war in Africa where one side was equipped with Soviet era armored vehicles and the other side primarily used Toyota Hiluxes. Essentially just a civilian pickup and they bolted whatever weapons they had on hand to the bed. Despite that they smoked the Soviet armor consistently because they were small targets that were hard to acquire and they could usually get kill shots faster than the tanks could. Granted the moment air power entered the equation those Hiluxes didn’t last long. Regardless think about the setup of covenant vehicles. You have the Wraith which is a slow, heavy mortar tank with a fixed turret that fires a slow projectile. That’s easy as hell to run rings around. The Scarab is much the same, albeit way tougher. Even their warthog equivalent vehicles (the ghost, the spectre and the revenant) aren’t as mobile. They can only reach their top speed by disabling their weapons and even then warthogs can still outrun them. It’s a surprisingly practical design that much like the Toyotas are dirt cheap and so easy to maintain a chimp could be trained to do it.
The books would also mention how covenant weapons would punch through UNSC armour fairly easily, so there wasn't much point armouring anything lighter than a main battle tank and it was better to focus on speed to avoid the hits
Amazing video. I came into this expecting a "yeah it's not realistic but what can you do it wouldn't be fun in multiplayer for players on foot to not have a fighting chance against a warthog"
@@jakebatty530 im more worried about the bumby ride while standing. Unless the turret has a mag lock for your boots or a harness they can quiclky mount to their belt your gonna fly and fall if you aint secured properly.
@@Spaceman0720 True however most UNSC personal have mandatory augmentations so stuff like a range finder would be inside your eyes and assisted by goggles or augmented reality type gear
@@PackHunter117 dude even if you have augmentations to stay standing straight in a bumby ride physics aint gonna give a shite, you still gonna fly and tumble in the turret unless you got a harness or mag boots to keep you in place. Also when did rangerinders and augmented reality gear become part of the topic? Im talking about the warthog not personal infantry gear thats a different topic imo
It should be noted the warthogs chaingun is an antiair gun. Realisticly it prob links up with the marines/spartans visor and allows for a lead indicator.
i think the marines using the warthog also makes sense for the same reasons as odsts. We've got to remember we are fighting alongside marines for every game but reach, and the marines are usually stationed onboard smaller battleships suggesting they are deployed first before your main army backline of carriers move up
Speaking of more heavily armored troop carriers - for that niche, I feel like the Razorback in Halo Infinite fills that niche better, but it has its fair share of problems: for one, it still has no doors, and the back seats are entirely exposed. But the armor on the hood and windshield are much more effective.
In halo infinite we get the mentioned up armored troop transport in the shape of the razorback. One possible reason the UNSC continues to use the warthog against the covenant is because in the books plasma can tear through armor with ease and would very quickly melt through a slow armored personnel carrier like the MRAP or LATV, but the warthog is very fast and agile and can easily outmaneuver and dodge the covenants plasma bolts as easily as those bolts would tear through a slow APC, all while carrying a very respectable amount of firepower
Bad comparisons in my opinion. I feel like games show the Warhog like the insurgent Toyotas. Sure unsc has some western influence and style but then you see the games and it's just a pickup with a gun
It is also sold to civillians as an off road vehicle so your kinda right on the hogs being technicals. I wouldnt be surpired if they started arming spades later on, a vehicle used by farmers, colonists, and transporting industrial materials.
Is the warthog realistic? Considering that it exist in the real world as a functional vehicle.... i would say yes. And if you look at the new special warfare recon vehicles currently being fielded by the US military, they do look like the warthog. So yes.
This was a fun watch! Do you think you could do another comparison video like this with the UNSC’s in-atmosphere aerial vehicles like the Hornet, Wasp and or Falcon?
I agree completely. The Warthog is most suited for special operations forces to use and recon purposes. Its essentially a trophy truck with a GAU-19/B attached to it (yes, this is a legitimate, real-world weapon that exists and you're welcome). The only thing they would need to do is keep the noise output to a minimum and bingo. I'd love to see the warthog actually become a staple vehicle in the US military.
I've always thought the Warthog was an impressive platform considering it could carry up to 3 Spartans in 2 tons of Mjolnir armor without a discernible change in performance. Can you think of a vehicle today that can be loaded up with 6000 pounds of weight and still knock a rough terrain rally race out of the park?
Take a good look at the warthog, & really think about it. It's a technical. It's the unsc's take on a Toyota with a gun in the bed. Up armored cause they can afford it. And standardized for logistics reasons. We literally spend half the halo games wandering around in a space technical.
The Singapore Armed Forces has been using the Light Strike Vehicle in a recce role with limited anti-armour capabilities since the late 1990s. The current iteration, the LSV Mk II (introduced in 2013), is pretty much *exactly* a Warthog.
The Toyota war is a pretty good example of how effective an un armoured pickup truck with a big gun on the back can be. Especially when used with guerilla tactics which the humans are using quite alot in the Halo universe again'st the larger enemy
One thing that usually gets overlooked with Halo vehicles is that they need to be able to function in planetary environments with varying amounts of gravity etc. It would make sense to use relatively light vehicles as a base and add weight as desired
I always thought that while yes it was inspired by the Humvee, it is treated more like the Long Range Patrol Vehicles of the Australian, New Zealand and British SAS. Where the military and the US SF, use vehicles for 4+ troops, the LRPV is a 3 person vehicle. A driver, passenger (Vehicle commander) and rear gunner.
Considering an actual war was won using pickup trucks with guns on the back against a superior military, I would say they're definitely useful and realistic.
1:19 Something to keep in mind here: In Halo Reach, the mission right before Tip Of The Spear is Nightfall. In Nightfall right at the end of the mission Jun and 6 discover the objectives you have to take on Tip Of The Spear, and Jun mentions something along the lines of: "We should head back, sun will be up in a few hours." And in Tip Of The Spear i think it is Dot (Noble's A.I.) who mentions that this is a risky and rushed operation. TL;DR/Conclusion: The U.N.S.C. had like 4 hours to plan the operation and most importantly... In those 4 hours they took every vehicle they found, those being, some Scorpion Tanks, a shlt ton of Warthogs, and 1 random Mongoose that is seen on the cutscene.
Wait, but consider the following: home boys driving old Toyotas with an MG bolted on the bed are being used in urban ops today. They're called "technicals". Some Toyotas have AA guns and some have anti tank guns just duct taped on top of it, giving occupying forces trouble. And consider this, some are just light enough that they either don't trip the mines or are already gone before it detonated. Some of the US forces used them as recently as 2019. Prediction: Toyota will eventually manufacture the Warthog, just under a different company name.
Want to clarify that Hummers where always broken and had almost no reliability, especially when they added all that armor to them. The transmissions in those things where just waiting to shear.
That's because all the add on armour damaged the chassis. They were using the vehicle for a role it was never designed to do. It was a transport vehicle. Not designed to be a tactical one.
this thng has ZERO protection and is more like a Technical then a AFV. It's utterly ludicrous even by the standards of the day this was made in. your gunner is also even MORE exposed then the Humvee which is saying something as most humveee casualties where the gunner. the Lack of UNSC vehicles evolution to match real life also really annoys me. if you got a new game UPDATE your weapons and vehicles to match the look.
To me it also makes sense to use a somewhat exposed frame since the UNSC is fighting an opponent that uses plasma weaponry. Slow but hot projectiles that will melt armor. If you had them covered in armored plates, any plasma hits will splash and melt onto the occupants. That also adds more possibilities of fires breaking out or ammo explosions. When dealing with that kind of firepower from the Covenant, I'd honestly want to be able to get away quick from any vehicles, something that happens in the game a lot as you can just get in or get out very fast. I think the design of the Warthog is perfect for the kind of war the UNSC was fighting.
You guys must check out the Light Strike Vehicle used by the Singapore Armed Forces. It's pretty much the real-world version of the warthog and looks the part too. It's typically fielded for reconnaissance and hit and run missions.
Dont forget that during the 80s and into the very early years of the war on Iraq, the military also had Chenowth Racing built buggies, call the Fast Attack Vehicle or FAV. These were Baja 1000 race spec that had no armor but had light machine gun, M2HB .50 call machine guns, T.O.W launcher. Mostly used for recon and SpecOps. Could have 2 or 3 seater, with the 3rd being a higher mount machine gun or T.O.W launcher.
The warthog looks to be originaly designed as a mobile gun platform, basically allowing groups of marines to have heavy weapons while still being mobile. Also you forgot 2 variants of the warthog, the scout variant which removes the gun, and the transport variant which replaces the gun with a roll cage type thing with seats for troops.
I think the ideas about the Humvee being deprecated in favor of heavier light armor actually works well in the Halo universe. While a heavier armored APC might be better, remember that until the Sangheili defected, the UNSC was fighting a defensive war, and were using tactics closer to insurgency. To that end, it makes sense for the UNSC to use an extra-light vehicle; instead of taking on Covenant forces who frankly had better tech, it was more reliable to use SpecOps techniques - get in, hit a target, achieve an objective, get out and let the Navy shell the place with MAC rounds from orbit.
The JLTV was an absolute game changer it was faster, better armored, and more task and purpose explained about when he once had his doubts about now is actually pretty darn impressed I mean their adding drones, 10-15kw lasers, 25mm chain guns, .50 cal triple barrel mini guns, RWS controlled machine guns, etc it's an absolute beast of a machine now keep in mind remote controlled weapons on top of vehicles isn't gonna fully replace regular man gunner positions and stuff their some pros to it such as being less cost, more eye ball visibility, etc
Its a really good technical. Fast, light but existing armor, usable in any environment, easy to maintain, easy to operate, self-fueling and surprisingly cheap to manufacture. If civilian Toyota pickup trucks with a poorly mounted weapon can be used effectively as a wartime vehicle, I think the Warthog can too.
Keep in mind that the human-covenant war lasted 27 years. I don't think it's far fetched to assume that those first battles probably saw heavier armor that ended up getting more people killed because of the speed for protection trade off (assuming we would still be using very heavy and slow armor in 500 years). Reach is the second to last planet humanity had, after Reach fell we only had Earth, so after 26 years of fighting the UNSC probably moved onto the tactics of lightly armored but fast vehicles to blitz the enemy and try to prevent as many casualties as possible. In the games, the best way to avoid serious damage from a wraith or a banshee is to not hold still long enough for that plasma to hit you, and in the games your also genetically enhanced super soldier with energy shields and very expensive armor.
Cabezon says repeatedly in the video that the Warthog stays the same and no armored variant or replacement appears, but what about the Razorback from Halo Infinite It seems like a lightly armored evolution. I'm curious what people think about that, but otherwise I enjoyed this video it was a good youtube video 👍😎👍
They already have these in the real world. It's a Toyota Hilux with a DShK mounted in the back. They are everywhere in Afghanistan and Iraq. They're called "technicals". Halo didn't invent the Warthog, it already existed.
Personally I think the reason the warthog saw so much combat and took positions in the front of battles was because of it's speed just because plasma would just melt through anything And pre human covenant war it seems to still be decently functional as a recon vehicle although I do hate that the UNSC never considered an APC like variant of the warthog just because of human weapons
They already have these they are called a technical. What you do is start with a Toyota Hilux and mount a big gun on the back and you are done. Sure Halo went for the expensive options and got the all wheel drive package and then jacked the suspension to add the oversized wheels and the custom bodywork that looks extremely heavy while offering even less protection then stock but that is basically what this is. They have been around for decades but tend to be deathtraps if they go up against a top rate military, though there are also reports that the Ukrainians have been making some decent use out of them when properly supported, and Chad showed how well they could work against third rate militaries in '78. The main problems are that they require very specific circumstances in terms of terrain, mission and enemy capability to be effective and are outclassed and outperformed in almost every circumstance by IFVs with the only real benefit is that they are usually pretty cheap and comparatively fuel efficient.
One big difference about the warthog and real life might be due to gameplay. The ability to bring a mounted .50 cal or AGL is really a big game changer. The warthog's MG, however, seems to take forever to kill an elite whereas irl, elite became minced meat
The warthog would probably be faster then the humvee but the gunner on the halo warthog is absolutely exposed so is the driver if someone had a 50 BMG sniper can penetrate the glass or just hit the side and your gone but the good about it like you said it's lightweight and fast and which can be used as a quick backup .
My country has this thing called the Light Strike Vehicle Mk ii, it’s used by special forces and looks and functions extremely similarly to a Halo Warthog
I think biggest reason why the warthog doesn't have doors/armor comes down to aesthetics and the animation capacities of the time. Most games of that era that have vehicles simply have your avatar teleport inside where as the halo team wanted everything animated properly as it transitions to 3rd person. It's the same reason why all the Marines on your lifeboat die when you first hit halo. They were supposed to live but they couldn't animate them getting in and out of the seats in a realistic matter so decided to just have them die instead.
my vision on why the unsc arsenal was so limited and so light weight is that it wasn't in the beginning, but as the war started and it became clear that heavy armour meant nothing when hit with a massive load of superheated plasma the focus swiftly shifted to speed and manouvrability, luckily for the UNSC the marines would allready focus heavily on lighter faster vehicles, the army on the other hand would no doubt need to adapt, as for the lack of an army it makes sense that as they were forced to fight like marines it made more sense to simply make them all marines in name as well
Light cavalry to conduct scouting or raids on is always useful. But the warthog easily becomes heavy cavalry when multiplied and the Gauss and rocket hog are brutal
While I can understand the idea that they were inspired by the unarmored humvee, the warthog wasn't a humvee, it was a military technical. It has far more in common with the technical trucks used by African and middle eastern forces.
Well I mean, the warthog is an indestructible wrecking ball that can bulldoze a hunter and has an infinite amount of heavy machine gun and rocket ammo, of course itll be useful in war.
While this isn't touched on in the video, I would have also noted that the warthog takes a bit also from, ironically, insurgences in the real world, via the form of the "Technical" pick up trucks, which as basic civilian style jeeps, pick up trucks, and other fast paced vehicles, with simple swivel mount points for various weapons system,s such as HMGs, Bazooka's, Recoilless Rifles, and even dumb fired rocket pods, very similar to the Rocket Hogs we see in game.
The main problem i have with the warthog is that its used in situations where a armored vehicle should be used in lore it’s described as a scout vehicle yet its used as an armored personnel carrier infantry fighting vehicle and sometimes a tank The unsc would have better odds if they made a armored personnel carrier
Halo Wars 2 has the M650 Mastodon, and there was going to be an APC in reach that was referred to as “Wolverine” or “Kodiak” during different stages of development before it was scrapped. I can’t really think of a good reason for why these didn’t show up sooner in the franchise other than “Yeah, it uhh… would completely fuck up the game balance” because we all know how broken it would be to carry your friends around in a vehicle with full 360-degree protection unless you friggin’ neutered it by making it out of cardboard.
You're forgetting in most of the games you are basically stranded without the full support of the UNSC. In Halo 1 you're with the Pillar of Autumn which got Scuttled and you're using whatever didnt get destroyed on the Ring. Halo 2, you're on Delta Halo with the limited support of One small frigate that later gets destroyed. In Halo 3 you could argue that we have APC's on Earth but most likely given how dug in the Covenant are most of what we have is wrecked or being used elsewhere. Meanwhile Warthogs are cheap have been in service for centuries and we have tons of em. Would've liked to see the Elephant from Halo 3 get some use in Campaign though that thing is sick. Mobile FOB's like that could've made wars in Halo Infinite a lot of fun. Roll up on a Banished encampment with that thing and unleash the UNSC on em
At this point the warthog more closely resembles in form and function the real world technical ( pickups with turrets emplaced in the bed of the truck.
the Humvee and the warthog are only related in doctrine but not in spec i would actually say it has more in common with a Toyota Hilux with machine gun.
The primary complaint about the Warthog is the lack of armor. That isn't the primary issue. I'm US army infantry, and we have these new vehicles called ISV's that have basically no armor. The problem with the Warthog is the troop carrying capacity, and the inability to carry any kind of equipment load. The ISV carries 9 soldiers and has space to carry all of their equipment. Also, you would never ride an ISV into combat. Again, it has no armor. Similar to the humvee, it was never built to fight in. It's designed to move troops around quickly and excels at that. If you're going into battle, you need to take an MRAP or an APC/IFV like a Bradley or Stryker. It should be noted that there is a way to configure the ISV to have a guy with a machine gun sticking out the top. So in conclusion, if you reconfigure a Warthog to be a bit bigger and more versatile it's perfectly feasible in real life.
You make a super solid point. A lot of people kind of forget that UNSC marines aren't like USMC soldiers, they serve as a sort of midpoint between typical corpsman and special forces, with ODSTs acting as airborne spec ops, and Spartans being SEALs if SEALs wore a tank as armor.
I will say this, the Humvee was also pretty boxy. One of the issues with rounds spanking the vehicle is that they’d do just that. Spank the shit out of it, and ring around in the vehicle if it made it through. It’s replacement had to be curvey, so to speak, as to literally deflect what was previously all too penetrating. Eh hem. Hmmm. Anyway another issue partially resolved is the flat bottom of the humvee couldn’t redirect the blast from an IED which sucks because that means almost ALL the force from the blast gets to travel through the vehicle. It’s replacement vehicles attempted to solve this issue and you can see a bit of what I’m talking about when you compare their undercarriages. Now, something kind of cool, the warthog actually does take on more of an appropriate shape to deflect incoming rounds AND redirect kinetic energy (somewhat) from the undercarriage. What’s cool about this is that already makes it a more effective transport than the early and even later iterations of the humvee... and the warthog is a fake car from a game in 2001... the DoD is a little slow on the uptake.
I just realised something, the UNSC might have only used Warthogs instead of maybe a more armoured transport due to budget constraint. Humanity was quite literally losing the war at the time, they were out numbered by a wide margin and inferior in terms of technology in contrast to the covenant. So it kinda makes sense why they would mass manufacture cheaper and more light armoured vehicles, especially with most of the expenses going towards the Spartan program and ODST training.
Well, that's why UNSC fields Mongooses. I think Warthog still has its place, though. It's more of a long-distance raiding vehicle, like what SAS would use in Africa during WWII - big enough to realistically fit a squad (yeah, gamewise it has three seats, but there's clearly enough space to seat more), and can carry quite a bit of supplies for operational autonomy. On a planetary scale, you might want to have a vehicle like that
Even though the Warthog is inspired by US Humvees also reminds me of the Toyota Trucks used by Chadians which relied on speed and mobility to destroyed thier heavily armored APC counterparts. The Toyotas won.
1 of the reasons you see the UNSC in halo going for low armor high mobility in there armor and even space ships is because without shielding most UNSC weapons and vehicles melt literally in most cases under any sustained fire from covenant forces which is why in halo the UNSC navy is mostly made up of small fast destroyers and corvettes with handfuls of capital grade warships small fast nimble wolf packs of corvettes and destroyers have a much better attritional value to the UNSC i imagine its the same philosophy on the ground
I compared it to the humvee for its role, not looks. Humvees having replaced Jeeps in the 80s and then themselves being replaced in the past few years.
So realistic are the designs that some Halo hardcore fans have literally built actual Warthogs IRL. One having actually being used in a Halo commercial.
The Warthog is legendary. But let's be honest.. alot of its design is actually pretty dumb and only justifiable as "It's just a video game" The fact that it's standard configuration is two seats and a gunner makes it a useless transport. The razorback doubles that count, so that's... better sure. But there's virtually ZERO protection for the driver, crew, passengers, or gunner. Everyone is just hanging out like a 2003 Humvee in Iraq. Its tow hooks are just dumb and unfunctional. They're designed to look like tusks. While cool sure.. not very useful in all honesty unless your going to hang something down an embankment or cliff using the vehicle as an anchor. There's just so many things about it that are video game badass, but realistically stupid and impractical. The JLT (IRL) is a better troop vehicle, scout, and medium/heavy machine gun or equivalent weilder than the warthog. It's only real advantage? It's Fueled by distilled water.
The H2 and H3 had nothing to do with the HMMWV. The only vehicle similar was the H1/H1 Alpha. The Hummer brand was started by GM. Unlike the H1 the H2 and H3 were not made by AM General but by GM. They simply used the Hummer brand name. The H3 used the Canyon, Colrado chassis (for the SUV models).
I'm guessing for Tip Of Yhe Spear that the warthogs were they only thing they could get at such short notice (remember Noble only discovered the landing zone the night before). If there were more heavily armoured APCs available I'm sure the UNSC would have used them instead.
The BMP and co. are actually Infantry Fighting Vehicles, very different from APCs since IFVs are meant to stay in combat after dropping troops off unlike APCs which are supposed to just dip out.
H2 and H3 Hummers are not HMMWV aka Humvees, not even close. Even the H1 Hummer is not the same as a HMMWV. The H1 and HMMWV do share some parts but not many. Teh H2 is a basically a Chevy Suburban and the H3 is a Tahoe. Other than the boxy design and grill design they have 0 to do with anything military. HMMWV and the H1, H2, and H3 are not even made by the same company.
The fact the UNSC was in a protracted afghanistan style conflict before the covenant war makes me wonder why they didn't make the same decisions for MRAP's considering how vulnerable to snipers the warthog is. Also the UNSC needs IFV's if they can carry tanks on their pelicans they can carry an IFV, otherwise they're not a mechanised force really.
