No, Kondo wanted him. Early into the fight on Earth, he claimed female fans loved him. I have no idea how he could be so right. AT was taken aback, but went along with it. The original plan was for Vegeta to lose the rematch and die as main villain, but instead Frieza (with Kondo's personality) was made to fill that role. Vegeta was killed at all BECAUSE of fans asking for him to live. Toribot hates fan requests. Want Bulma with Goku? Fuck you, he gets the flat hag literal-who (becoming a tiger mom insert of Akira's wife). Bulma? Leaves Yamcha for Vegeta (of course). Want Goku to win Budokai? **raffs** Jobs him out twice. They stop asking? He finally wins. Amazin'. As for Vegeta, he was fated to stick around, but requesting that saw him put in his grave faster than his sins (not all that much in canon, but a handful of Nameks is still not a clean slate). For a few chapters, anyway. Kondo is also the one who put a stop to moving goalpost insert Roshi's antics (along with stupid gag characters). King Piccolo (based on previous editor) results. First thing that happens? Krillin gets killed (off-panel, too). Hilarious. Kondo leaves just after Cell reaches perfection. Result? Satan (and Gohan taking over at random). Then the Buu Saga fiasco ('yes men' letting him do whatever).
@@jasonone8726that’s true I think wha they meant was DBZ lol yes it probably would have still been a success but idk with out Vegeta I know I wouldn’t be such a big fan not gonna say I wouldn’t be a fan but i wouldn’t be the fan I am today with out our prince
You what? Arm holding predates Vegeta (who made Krillin hold his). Very likely Goku has done it more in the source material. Surely you don't mean to invoke the meme talk of 18. Way back in his first fight he already held it (despite no damage being taken there **typical use by AT**). You kids don't know this franchise very well and spread misinformation (disguised as jokes) as with Jobber Pose (Goku did it twice and lost both times with one against Vegeta **who did it once and beat his foe before the rematch**) and even crying (Goku did it 18 times in canon). NOTE: Stop being an unwashed anime-only. That can help get your mind right on these matters.
@@DomshereStudios >dead Like Gokek's fight record against his "rival" (read: NEMESIS). >a joke Such is the score of the protagonism fumbling lead. Anyway, you're not a strong reader, are you?
@@blueshot333 Yea difference I don't give 2 sh*ts, if yall are fine getting cash grabbed over and over again GO FOR IT. That is exactly how you don't get NEW THINGS. Keep enjoying your new hair colors though 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 by all means go for it. Even sparking is just an updated graphics/story Tenkaichi. Understand that there are new characters cool what has changed about the original Z warriors in 20+ years outside of hair color? How many instant transmission Kamehameha/spirit bomb finish's do you need to see from Goku? Can the character get any new skillset in 20+ YEARS. Even the spirit bomb has only worked vs Kid Buu and NEVER again. Kamehameha this Kamehameha that it's a joke. You know what I challenge you when Sparking drops not evev go play any DBZ game and tell me Characters don't have the exact same skill set with only new forms MAINLY SS forms being added to the game. Yall are lucky tournament of power came out they finally added new characters to the game. CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
@@DHankins19 you have to be naruto fan judging by your whimpering and slander for dragonball having a new game while naruto gets a remake with 2 additional characters, but its okay maybe someday you will find happiness
@@blueshot333 I don't play that bs either🤣most anime games SUCK and are just cash grabs but DBZ/Naruto are def the biggest cash grabs out there. Bro couldn't deny a point so swears I am just unhappy no I just don't spend my money on reskinned bs. Hey waste away though. RIP Toriyama sure. Hopefully the content he created can evolve into something more though than the same skills for 20+ years. There is so much potential just wasted because idiots like you EAT IT UP and love it.
@@GuyVick "Are you in a puberty time loop? One moment replying to me 'its a opinion bruh,' and the next it's 'i wasn't talking to you.' Must be those growth spurts affecting memory lanes."
rafitz flapa froly turles etc… the flist goes on , as a response to your godam comment. 😅it always felt weird seing Goku referred to as COCK-willROT by some angry moron who acts like a biitch just cause he cant win a fight😂😂😂
@@apuertorican1773 bruh. something felt off about it, raditz & vegeta going on and on w/ the kakarit thing: bc in dragon ball Goku was not an “alien” and Piccolo was not an alien either, dat sht was added on Dragon Ball Z (for the better obviously) since the Namek saga is irrelevant to, dragon ball without the Z🦦
He's certainly got the most respectable fight record against MCs. He has beaten all of them and lost to none of them. Repeatedly beaten MCs, actually. Goku is no exception. He's got the worst score against Vegeta (0-4 in canon **0-6 in Super**).
Vegeta is a complete idiot. 😂😂He let Cell absorb the android which killed Goku, he caused the birth of Buu which killed him etc… the list goes on. They would have created other characters in 1991-92 if Vegeta died on Namek🦦The Vegeta in the Buu saga is not the same as the real cocky original Vegeta, they changed him completely 🦔🦫
Vegeta is one character that has changed significantly since he showed up. From villain, to a kind of neutral party on namek, to being an ally that let his pride endanger others, to a relatable character that when it comes to combat, he is no nonsense, he ends the fight as efficiently as possible, and of course has found his humanity.
I don't know, him thinking, "That's right boys, mondo cool" is still funnier to me. Also I always thought Nappa's "What 9000?!" was the actually funny line from that bit.
@@russdaripperwilliams8032 in BDZ Frieza represents a Tyrant! Hitler was a Tyrant, who wanted to erase all Jews, Frieza wanted to erase all Sayans. Jesus fuck christ balls, it's an analogy for jesus' bald balls' sake. Thus Vegeta was under Frieza's shoulder at first so he was on his side that's why he was bad at first. Anyfukways, if u create a good story u need a horrible vilain, plain n simple, like that when the heroes win it feels good, so of course the author is going to hate his antagonist. I'm making a script about zombies now, and my antagonist is horrible to the point that I want to cut him out, if I do I lose the contrast in my story. Capish?
Toriyama sensei make "Ultra Ego Prince Vegeta" kill Black Frieza this time it will make you like his character more than others even Goku too please this is my request sensei from all of Vegeta fans ❤
Vegeta and Piccolo are the most relatable characters in DBZ. Their character development is the most human considering neither of them are actually from Earth
Really? Vegeta literally kneeled before Frieza and Broly in DBZ and he also kneeled before Beerus and Whis offering them food grandma style. Is this what a warrior would do, is this Saiyan pride? I don't think so. And now he has purple hair and no eyebrows.
@@Alexander-ix2jp So? Kakarot had blond hair with no eyebrows, and that was ok? Give me a break :D You always met someone stronger then yourself. He never gave up. Beerus is a god, if you would met a God, you would kneel too. Cause you have no power, to say "no" And Vegeta know that there is no use i dying, while you can grow stronger to someday say "NO"
no, u NinkapO0P, the Hero of DBZ is Goku NOT Vegeta . Vegeta crushed Goku into pieces when he went Ape sht Ape. and u thought that was cool? then u dislike Goku so u dislike DBZ then oooooooo
@@daetomrossington3623 >emoji That goofy look reminds me of the prince's vassal (BOZOku) asking his Lord and Liege to kiss his flat wench wife. Alas, her lips shall forever remain dry and virgin. Bejita-sama will never reward the former lead (now merely 'co') even after being 7-0'd by THE NEMESIS.
@@crimsonkore Agreed! He trains ten 10 times harder then Goku, only to catch Ls, while we as the fans hope he'll fumble that L one day. At least he finally beat Goku
He doesn't need to W against the main villain. He just have to get his own unique opponent for him to W. Vegeta by no mean is not an actual main protagonist, he just one of the major character. The problem with DB is they always make Vegeta try to fight the main villain as well and then lost badly. Look at Zoro in OP, he always look badass and has his own W moment and spotlight because he always have his own opponent to fight. Those fight is enough generate hype moment for Zoro without shaft him. That what Vegeta need in DB.
@@shawziiz5031bad comparison cuz Zoro submitted himself to Luffy and he’s not a rival to Luffy and never will and second of all zoro never surpassed or beaten luffy in a fight meanwhile vegeta beaten goku and surpassed him multiple times
Thank GOD!!!!! Vegeta has gotten me through my heartache, depression in college, and life. To go beyond your limits. To go Super Sayian. To achieve greatness internally!!! Thank You for sparing his life!!!!
Vegeta's story and character development blows Goku's out of the water. From a sinister killing machine to a confused and lost man looking for purpose again. And now he's a proud warrior, father, and husband to the richest person on the planet. Vegeta is winning in life.
Very boring by now... not sure why fans keep on whining about him to this day, he supposed to be a villain, that's it, his grumpy, arrogant role was already taken by Piccolo, who was a more complex character, so Vegeta's character was boring and pointless, except for the fusions later, which Goku could have done with Gohan too. Vegeta is always the same, grumpy, angry and wants to beat Goku, but cannot. I bet those fans who keep whining for Vegeta to be more relevant, are cat owners. I think Vegeta just stole the spotlight from much more interesting characters, like Goku's old friends.
Vegeta hands down is the best character in DB, he’s seen the most growth and although he’s a powerful Prince, he’s actually more down to earth and human than Goku is, just his fear of pissing of Bulma makes him so relatable. He’s a good father, husband and will protect Earth with his last breath, that’s hella growth seeing as though he came to destroy it. Hands down Legendary character. 💯💪🏽
Feel like this was worded poorly. Toriyama didn't "hate" Vegeta, he found it difficult to write him into the story because he planned for his presence in the story to end as a one-off villain. That's why Toriyama became more comfortable in writing his relevance to DB as time went on. Y'all acting like Toriyama is out to beat Vegeta's ass out of hatred or something.
@@Marcus_shawn NO. The show got INSANELY popular when Goku turned Super Sayan and beat Lord Frieza's ass. Vegeta was annoying w/ his megalomaniac lines, and when Frieza kicked his ass I didn't even feel bad for him, I was like, can you just kill this Vegeta guy so Goku can come save the day ffs
Then beerus pays earth a visit, dines on it's amazing most delectable, most unique cuisine, *_✨ Pudding ✨_* and leaves the planet in tact, promising to keep an eye out on it putting the planet under divine protection due to it's food being so delicious, with the only disappointment being the Super Saiyan God was a mere ancient myth... Oh well... Oh and Frieza almost returns... It was a very close call...
Vegeta pretty much is the main character of Z and Super with all that character development, we're seeing *_his_* story from the general radius of the final, unchanging obstacle, Goku.
Originally, piccolo was goku's rival, but for a very short time, it looked like he started liking vegeta more and piccolo less The more time you start creating Manga.
THATS MYYY BULLLMMMAAAAAAA!!!!!!!..😅😂.. Vegeta is as or more powerful than Goku... he just never cared for no one but himself..whereas Goku cares for everyone.. .. when Beerus slapped Bulma on her birthday.. I believe it was the first time Vegeta actually got extremely Mad.. he took a punch by Beerus in the face and it didn't even affect him..👊😎
The main reason why Vegeta and Squidward Tentacles are the best characters in their series is because that they are relatable for grownups only, probably.
Toriyama never hated VEGETA!!! It’s a misconception. He was just shocked at the reception of the character after the saiyan arc and how people could like a villain that much. Stop spouting nonsense
I am not a watcher or a fan but I NEVER knew Vegeta even could have not been there. Thats insane how it worked out. R.I.P Akira Toriyama, you made many others lives even that little bit better.
Definitely one of the most annoying characters with the absolute most annoying fanbase 😂😂😂 the quality of the manga especially its character writing falls off of a cliff after he gets revived in Namek. Great as a villain though. His death in the Freeza Arc was perfect imo
there is no db for me without vegeta, we love gku but there are always 2 sides of coin v=and vegeta is that other side. he provides depth to stories. many stories are inspired by such pairs like naruto sasuke
I love when shorts just explain the basis of the question rather than answering it. Also I believe the answer is that piccolo was Toriyama's favorite rival for Goku and Vegeta kinda diminished that.