Why US Special Forces Switched Machine Guns 

At first i thought the thumbnail was clickbait ngl

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Maybe, they can crowd funding , and buy into a manufacturer to make the cartilage . One step at a time. If you can't defend your property. It isn't your property for very long. It's why I thought we hired police and sheriff departments.

**is this in response to the (I believe) the PKM 7.62x54mm that in Afghanistan the terrorists would just stay out of range of the 7.62x51mm and just belt away with the longer ranged ammo. **On the bright side that should bring that ammunition cost down quite a bit.

Ohio ordnance should make a binary version for civilian use

"Shmedium machine gun.” would still be "SMG"

@@doziergames ShMedium Machine Gun

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SCHIM! or SCHWINN?

*extra medium

Lol. Have you seen The Fat Electricians recent video about the air war in Vietnam, specifically the US taking out HALF the enemy fighters in 13 minutes? If not, definitely check it out! And you will understand why I'm making this comment in response to yours.

Only for the japanese version

On the bullet.

Oh sorry about that marine how about we give you a sword and -cap- cape instead

@@corinthiansdaniels3728 A bayonet is more like a knife than a sword.

Maybe the should designate it the MRMG Medium rare machine gun :)

I've had those customers "can I get it somewhere between rare and mid rare. " "126 degrees it is"

Would you like a LARGE or MEDIUM coke with that

@@anthonybatissa1417 light medium please..

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I was looking for this comment!

negev is good for spraying

MG3 looks the same as MG42, only diference is NATO caliber

Yeah I noticed that too. I do appreciate the custom graphics though, they are an awesome touch.

​@@andrzejgorzynski6687 there are more differences like the recoil spring and the muzzle device

It also looks a little long don't you think

Well medium machine gun isn't a reference to weight but light is. So not really.

I believe that they have run out of name ideas

its the opposite of rolls off your tongue

Next in line is the semi-automtic burst fire sniper rifle

True, but the optics have made the battlefield longer than before, at least for accurate fire. That won't go away. The enemies of the US have the internet too and have learned to stay our of range of the M4, so there will be an increasing amount of battles started at over 500m. It had gotten to be about 1 in 6 engagements in Afghanistan starting at over 500m, FWIW (based on NDIA presentations concerning overmatch, a decade or so ago). I personally think the US should use a "weapons locker" approach and choose whatever weapon will work best in a particular situation. In other words, use 5.56 when kicking doors, and something longer-ranged in open country.

@@jfess1911 Now now, we can't have that, it would make too much sense! Joking aside, the logistics would be a little more complicated, however, they do need to bring both .556 and 7.62 anyway, so it shouldn't be that hard to manage.

@@nate2838 I just hope that it does not take a disaster with a lot of US Soldiers lost to switch the thinking. I understand the desire to only deal with one type of ammo and weapon for for logistics sake, but 5.56 will be around for for non-frontline-combat troops anyway. I could see 7.62x51 largely phased out for handheld weapons and replaced with something that works better at distance, but I am not sure that the current 6.8x51 is the right answer.

wouldnt that just be a 308 PK?

​@jfess1911 the way i see it the 6.8 phases out the 5.56 and the 338 replaces 7.62. Basically doubling effective range of infantry units. We will see if the 6.8 works, i personally think it might be too much, and that the training ammo works good enough, but i dont know the ins and outs of body armour capabilities.

I dont think the .50 is used in any precision weapons, but it is used in long range anti material rifles i.e. barret

@@saddlepiggy 6 of the 10 longest recorded sniper kills were with .50 BMG, so I think it qualifies as being used in sniper rifles. I think you're splitting hairs between sniper and anti material rifles - I'll admit many extreme distance sniper rifles were to some extent originally designed and built for anti material duty.

@@BenjaminHeyser that’s fair, I’m not gonna pretend to know about .50 ballistics or anything lol

Is .338 Norma Magnum the same as .338 Lapua?

​@JeepWranglerIslander it isn't. Wikipedia actually has a good description of the differences.

This is the special in special operations.

"5 Letters can still fit inside a backpack"

6 letters would make it a medium medium machine gun or MMMG

Didn’t want to get confused with the drone called Reaper which would be in the same AO as this REAPR.

F me. You guys have me laughing. great job

lol things always break

@@TheGonzogibby they've been working on this for YEARS. They're pushing only because the Army takes fucking forever to make a move in ANY direction.

Murphy was a grunt.

Oh it is we call that by many names, Grunt Proof, Private Proof and the most reliable, break proof, easy to use and fix is always labled Lieutenant Proof lol.

But@@TheGonzogibby what's wrong with that? Any company would likely want to make the most of its options. They've been doing machine gun development for the military for ages. Now they've decided to make their own as a bunch of veterans who know what needs improving on the user side. Why not let them throw in their two cents and see what happens? If SIG is alleged to have chosen some less than conventional methods to ensure its recent contracts gaining success, I see very little against good publicity being a means to combat it.

Arma 3 just predicting everything

NoThIn Is OvA

He already snipes with bow and arrow.

Amazing, yeah, but not as amazing as still being in use 100+ years later like the M2.

@@Tekisasubakani the M2 has evolved. A little. Air cooled and quick-change barrels. Inspired by the MG 42?

@Tekisasubakani Mg42s are still in use today, just not at the scale of M2s

Watch europa the last battle

​@Aluttuh the m2 has always had quick change barrels

Well, even 6.5mm creedmoor is a common sniper caliber and is lighter recoil than 7.62x51, but better BC. 7.62x51 is also a common sniper caliber. 300 norma mag and 338 lapua/norma a bridge the gap of 50cal and 7.62x51. Not really anti material although 338 can work on engine blocks up to a point.

What does the ma deuce use if not full auto sniper bullets. Ok technically it's the other way round but still...

Didn't I see something like this from the old isometric Fallout games?

​@@wathaet1386I worked at ammo plant down the road from me. It only makes the .50 for the military. Each shell has to weight within a very small tolerance of each other or its discarded. So each one performs like the next one.

My thought exactly. Its like a machine gun sniper rifle

That would be logical and simple, understandable even - so not a good modern military acronym.

Because it's lighter than medium, but not light enough to be light.

​@@DefaultProphetif 7.62 is medium than .338 would be a heavy medium machine gun

Because of thr weight. They want to communicate that despite being more powerful, it is light.

Same reason they don’t call the MPF a light or medium tank. They have to pretend they’re inventing something new whenever they reach back and dust off an old concept

I missed it , I've got a lot coming this year going to do on location shoot in Arizona with 8 firearms including the XM8 and HK416 . looking forward to dropping those episdoes starting in April

​​@@seththomas3418 'as effective' does not mean its more powerful... putting aside the fact .338 supposedly has higher energy at range than .50 BMG despite the lower muzzle energy, this weapon has a higher fire rate and much more ammo capacity both loaded and carried. I would argue its more effective, and that the military is likely interested in moving on from the M2 in a joint effort with other NATO powers seeking to integrate .338 as a NATO standard round for their respective GPMGs.

@@V3RTIGO222Uncle sam aint ever giving up the M2, The .338 norma magnum round that has drawn a lot of attention can punch through the highest infantry available body armor, but the M2 still has its own purpose. The .50 caliber rounds that are used by the US military are hotter than civilian purchasable munitions, and this increase in powder load ups velocity but increases wear. Doing that with a single infantry served weapon is not such a good idea, due to the issues that arise from increased wear with weapon systems. The M2 was used to reach out and touch enemy infantry at extreme distances but more importantly it can punch through Russian IFV armor. The M2 can tear through BTRs, BRDMs, Tunguskas and Shilkas. The .338 norma magnum lacks that level of penetration. Combine that with the US military-s SLAPP munitions for the M2 (disregarding the faulty rounds that scott got his hands on and almost tore out his own throat with) and you have a weapon that can reach out and touch enemy light armor and punch clean through it without requiring specialized Anti Tank weaponry. The M136 AT4 is a single shot Anti tank rocket launcher that is more effective but with a max effective range of around 300 meters (further if youre a drop surgeon with it like Jamsheed is with an RPG) A Javelin Anti tank Top Attack rocket launcher is far more effective and has the same range as an M2 for anti light armor purposes but the cost of one of those is the same cost as easily 100 belts of 100 rounds of SLAPP for an M2. The M2 is far more effective than most people give the old Ma credit for, and even a graze from a round from an m2 (not center of mass, but hitting the meat of the arm. Dont believe the BS of a near miss still killing. Not physically possible) will put you down, Bloodloss from a loss of a limb leads to loss of life in around 60 seconds-ish without a tourniquet. The REAPR will blend the reach out range of the M2 and the weight of an M240, problem is, it wont be as lethal as the M2 against harder targets and it will wear out faster than the 240. Its pros are massive and its cons are bypassable, but it will never replace the M2. Dont replace what works, replace what doesnt. TL;DR its entire job isnt to replace the M2, but to give infantry the same reach out and touch capabilities as the M2 without requiring a HMVVW or JLTV/MATV with an M2.

Ok so I know the guy that made the .338 norma... Lol he gets .02 for everyone manufactured him and my uncle are very good friends. So the cartridge was kinda a dud till the 300smk came out so it has to use match bullets essentially to get the good properties your talking about, the larger the caliber the higher the BC. If you put match bullets in a .50 it would smoke the.338, that's just a bullet change. They are going back to war calibers 😉 the are replacing 556 with a intermediate magnum and 308 with long action Magnus... The US is planning to win something 💀 and the civilian market needs to keep up before we get out paced lol

Depends on what you're shooting at. At 1500m a 300gr 338 will be moving at 1200fps and hit with 950ft-lbs. At the same distance a 660gr 50bmg will be going at 1400fps and hit with 2800ft-lbs. The 338 is unlikely to penetrate modern body armor. The 50bmg would go straight through it, and most unarmored or lightly armored vehicles. This isn't meant to replace the M2. It's meant to supplement the M240.

They make the HCAR right? The modern BAR? My dad actually has a 1939 BAR that was brand new when he got it

Pretty much, spent the whole time just thinking "isn't that what the BAR's for?"

More like a belt fed breda 30

19,999 plus tax ;)

The M7 civilian fury has more power and more wallet sucking ability.

No point in something that heavy. There's already 338 semi-autos out there with parts commonality with the AR-15. I personally think the carry-able MG is an obsolete concept. The marines were right when they were trying to replace the SAW with the IAR. Put a drum mag on a 338 battle rifle and call it a day. But of course, gotta dial up the debt to 40 tril with this military-industrial complex obsession of ours and invent problems to solutions we don't even need yet. Yes, I typed that correctly. We invent problems so we can spend money we don't have after we spend money we don't have.

@@manictiger The .338 Federal is not as powerful as a .338 Norma Magnum.

@@angrydragon4574 There is always something on the market chambered in anything. These proprietary systems, especially anything being 25lbs. are simply ways to funnel tax money out of a system that's on the precipice of total collapse. The higher ups don't care about that, the fact that 25lbs. is still too heavy, etc. They don't care about saving lives or any of that nonsense. It's just a scam. it's a day that ends in day.

hooah

In other news, you dont have mass shootings every single day

​@@lolmao500but if they try that what can you do 😮

If God favors you, you'll be able to pick one up on the battlefield. Yep yep😂

@@lolmao500you guys have knife problems, we have gun problems 🤷

yeah ... 7.62 (meaning mm) =!= .762 (some freedom length), which would be more than 50% bigger than a .50, so ~19mm

13:31 even the graphics is wrong and shows a near cannon round...

It's 7.62....and what would make you say that after watching this video? This video wasn't about that cartridge at all lmao

@@Kelly-ju1kw The typo at 13:31 hehe

Fn evoly doesnt really do anything that the saw or mark48 doesnt already do. Plus it has a weird barrel change system that isnt quick. Looks cool might be more reliable.

@@chi2251the evolys is 14 pounds fully loaded, 12 when empty. These are decked out M16A4 numbers. Its nothing like the near 20 pound M249.

@@123asap6 no true quick change barrel system. Thats the weight savings.feed tray is cool but it a not enough for adoption. My opinion

I think this weapon will be purchased in small numbers, if for no other reason than experimentation and departments not wanting to not spend any of their yearly budgets. IMO this model may never achieve widespread adoption but once the sideways opening feed tray has its kinks worked out than that feature will be brought over into the M250, or whatever belt fed is the future. @@chi2251

@@chi2251According to FN their research suggests that quick change barrels haven‘t really been used in many conflicts, but they‘d have the possibility to add it if it‘s a customer requirement.

The weight of the round is closer to 308, its the weight of a m240 with the power of a 50, capable of being carried in your bag.

I think the concept has absolute merit. The m2 is such a stable and effective tool, but just too heavy for mobile use. This comes somewhat close to the performance while being very portable.

I too have done a lot of hiking, my mother is actually a famous long distance hiker. I could carry it in my bag but this gun weighs as much as her entire loaded pack

​@@AcidGambit419 ... there is such a thing as a "famous long distance hiker"? 😉

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Robin Williams was much hairier.

Cappy's Italian...so that's SOP 😅

I like the optic set up

It does exist already in 338

@@saomychau7010 He was talking about M134 Minigun.

@@woli6872yup that exists

@@user-wc8lu7qd2m And Armchair Generals are a blessing for SOF. They couldn't exist without...

​@@user-wc8lu7qd2myea do you have anything to back that up I've seen mini guns mounted on helicopters and they're not inaccurate😂 and are far more accurate than the a-10s main gun so I really don't see your point

True. But a lighter bullet will lose a far greater % of its energy sooner, making it less useful further downrange. Accurate long range fire is the key for this weapon. I'd love for a 3 round burst mode of this MG in addition to the single fire mode. I've never been a fan of full auto outside of emplacements. Ammo is heavy.

Quadratic gains, not exponential

there is an argument to be made that the 556 range is fine for 99% of engagements an there are only a few circumstances that are very rare where 762 x 51 doesnt cut it , which would mean its not worth changing entire regular units weapons in most cases yeah

​@@Taskandpurpose 5.56 up close. 7.62 up close and mid. .338 and .50 out far....and close and mid. Level 4 plates and pelvic girdles get wrecked.

Also it should be said, the cost of 'expensive' firearms for all our NATO troops is approximately naff all compared to you know, having to go to their mum's house and explain why they're dead. We can easily afford to have the technological advantage in this area and in every instance in history it's been worth the investment for the dominant military of the time. If you want to save the money, all you need to do is properly control the military procurement procedure and get fair prices for aircraft carries, vehicles, and Coke vending machines.

Its not about range its about armor Body armor has become common place and easy to get for basically anyone 5.56 rounds are ineffective 7.62 is slowly becoming ineffective 50 cal will penetrate any body armor as well light to medium armored vehicles but 50 weapons are extremely heavy 338 is a happy medium because its powerful enough to defeat armor and damage light armor but still light enough to be carried by squad level on down

@@verdebusterAP 97% of enemies don't wear armor I'll take M855A1 SR16s all day.

Same story with the KAC LAMG.

12 inch water cooled 8.6 BLK. 2100-2500 fps. Shoots for 41 minutes non stop.

@@jaypee389supers would cook the barrel in 15 min. You’re thinking the 1050fps subs

*Light Machine Gun. Apparently 308 size calibers are now considered LMG calibers. (Reffering to 6.8 M250)

What a turd of a round 8.6BL is. Trajectory looks like a rainbow.

@@txsicshooterIt's almost like it's intended to be shot subsonic...

Your two options in this instance are True Velocity who has never made a gun, let alone a MG, or Ohio Ordnance who has only manufactured 25,000 guns ever (according to them) albeit the majority of those are MGs. SIG has only manufactured a few MGs (assumed) but will be manufacturing daily for NGSW. Manufacturing infrastructure is an important consideration when deciding a contract.

@@gunguru7020 I agree but so is investing in other new manufacturers. Making like 3 mega manufacturers for military small arms in America seriously limits the options. This is a small enough order that the money could be invested (in the way of a low interest loan or something similar) to grow this company big enough to complete this order easily and on time. It’s a good starter and could bring some new competition into the field which forces innovation by the rest of the competitor to better compete giving us better products in the end.

@@BodilyFunction The US has a serious problem with what you are mentioning. SIG and FN are all that are left. One is privately owned by Europeans and the other is owned by a European Country. There is Colt but its been a mess for a long long time and is currently subsidized by the USG. I cannot argue with your logic but am not sure I want my tax dollars supporting private industry even with the situation as it is.

How many of these drones that can reach 1500 yards and be lethal can you carry? And how long can you effectively keep a group of enemies suppressed? I don't know the answer to these questions. Just seems to me like that would be what they need to balance. Another thing with drones is if they had jammers active in the area. You can jam a drone, but you can't jam a bullet.

And maybe 1/3rd the barrel life

the heavier ammo is an aspect I wish I dug into more in this. it really does start to add up once you're humping it around for a long period of time.

the .338 norma magnum has the effects of .50 BMG with similar weight of the .308

@@Taskandpurpose you're doing what for a long time? 😂😂

It's funny how easy to see problems when you speak like child. I'm completely serious by the way this comes up in construction all the time. "Why round thing so small?" "It must be fit inside truck"

@@Taskandpurpose do these units often deploy for a long time? Or do they get used for 'short' missions, and then resupplied or return to a base? Will they often have a choice of this or another weapon if they do need to be away from their base for longer? Maybe weight isn't as much of an issue because they're expecting to carry a manageable amount of ammo, for a shorter mission? Or... their superiors/they imagine they can just drink more protein shakes and put on some muscle...

And more accurate on the first shot if I understand correctly, which makes that single fire option valuable.

@nate2838 Anything firing from closed bolt is accurate on single shot, open bolt is all about cooling for the barrel/receiver because full auto fire gets toasty. I'm all for innovation, but I'm tired of my stolen money, taxes being wasted on someone's "good idea". Let the company fund their own R&D like they did in WW1&2

@@xxxlonewolf49 Another approach could be to award the design the contract, and if they aren't able to match needed production, then other companies can produce it as well and pay for the use of the design. Patents and royalties or something along those lines.

@nate2838 They did do that or something very close to it in WW2. Which is why Singer, the sewing company, made guns are so rare & valuable.

(Does anyone want to tell him sigs offering for this bid was also chambered in .338 norma)

@@davidfinkel7379 you mean the bid they lost because socom didn't want their proprietary bimetallic .338 which they also had in their bid.

@@jonahhekmatyar it also fired normal 338

@@davidfinkel7379 yes but they would have made socom use their ammo in their gun. Like with the NGSW

I say right in the beginning that the 50 cal is closer to 3 times the power according to some sources. it's kind of a short hand way of saying this thing can have similar effects on target, for instance it can punch through some lightly armored vehicles and take out concrete blocks in a similar way. but yes, definitely not the same thing

@@Taskandpurpose I don't disagree, i was just basing it off the thumbnail saying its .50 cal. I always watch ur vids and please keep them up.