Why was the Venator Class Star Destroyer Scrapped by the Empire? 

@@davidordaz5251 Doesn't really matter considering how stagnant technology in Star Wars is.

They might not have been built with a long service life in mind.

@@jamesricker3997 if we include legends in the mix palpatine might've scrapped the republic ships cause it ain't gonna be effective against yuuzhan vong. in legends every thing palpatine did was for preparing the galaxy for the arrival of vongs , the death star was suppose to be a mobile fortress and it's main purpose isn't to destroy insubordinate planets, though it does a good job at it. it's main purpose is to be a command ship / main gun to shoot down massive planet size vong ships. that's the whole reason why palpitine wanted to be the emperor to preserve galaxy against the vongs. well like they say road way to hell is paved with good intentions. but that doesn't mean palpatine is a good guy ... he is far from it ... he just doesn't like the idea of him losing against an alien species from another galaxy.

Seeing an entire lucrehulk getting scrapped is not just a crime, but outright repulsive

@@davidordaz5251 the venator seems more technologically advanced than the imperial star destroyer and the arc fighter and the y wing were way better than the tie fighter or tie bomber

Holy crap! Now that you mention it, the Venator DOES look like a Gungan's head!

Damn, that just might be it :'D I think he'd rather have a sandcrawler than any reminder that he hung out with Binks ^^

@@floutsch oh yeah!

I can never look at the Venator the same way ever again.

This is also why the b1s were phased out. Not cause they were weak, basic and inefficient on a battlefield... it's cause they look like gungan skeletons

DeAth makes them stronger

@@sasquatch668able also capital ships in star wars are mostly no where near large enough to present a significant gravitational pull. Even if it did, TIEs fly in atmosphere all the time just fine so gravity clearly isn't that big a problem

@@sasquatch668able huh i have seen quite a few videos about space combat in star wars and I of course knew they had artificial gravity generators, never heard of them being effective outside of the ship though. I stand corrected

@@sasquatch668able ah so that's what that was. I always thought it was control system damage or pilot error thst caused that, thanks for letting me know either way

They were designed to defend star destroyers or shoot civilians

Ehta how is your comment 10 hours ago

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The image is sometimes as important as the fonction when you are an egocentric sith emperor

Yeah pretty much. Palpatine was an expert in force and political related affairs, but lacked skill in standard military strategy

Then you sell it to the private sector. Itd make a perfect planetary defens ship.

I love v wings

Yeah, but they were brutal towards the Separatist Holdouts, and the Seppies were my favourite bunch, with the exception of Sith Lords and War Criminals in it’s ranks

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I do like the separatist holdouts, but I like this era cause it’s sorta like a combo of the trilogies New empire with the old republic gear

Yes cause thats when the ball was rolling

When Imperials ask me about my views on the right to bear arms...

This is quite the scam I can already tell

I have one

I wish I had one D:

@@craig.9229 one? I am looking to unload 5. Buy three and you get free shipping, includes complimentary load of v wing interceptors and y-wings. I also know where you can get some "large freighters" if you catch my drift.

I saw the Troop Transports from Rebels and there is the mentions of the CW era Nighsister massacre to RO Tie Reaper and Cargo Shuttle with what looks like an early Tie Interceptor used by Secend Sister.

@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 and don't forget the ninth stister's TIE striker.

@@leventelevai643 Never, but that was a Tie Reaper (cargo ship).

they already screwed up enough times.

It's a fun and interesting game for sure, but fuck me is it simple, mainstream as fuck and dumbed the fuck down so much that I feel like I'm playing a movie almost ala The Order 1886.

I once saw an interesting theory that said that if you take just the OT in isolation, it could be interpreted as taking place in an age when the giant battleships of old are starting to be overtaken by fighters and bombers (perhaps because of some new invention, like the proton torpedo). In that interpretation, the Venator would actually be the successor to the Imperial, not the predecessor.

May swing back due to advances in lasers, rail guns, and electronics warfare. The first aircraft carrier was only 105 years ago, just a blip in naval history.

Personally I feel like the Tarkin doctrine is just what Imperial Japan was doing to an extreme.

@@Cpt_Boony_Hat Yamoto was laid down in 1937 sort of a last of her breed.

@@benwilson1088 I was semi commenting on there view that the carriers would kill are carriers then the cruisers would drop there torps and then the Yam kills everything afterwards p. Along with the fact how thr IJN went from having carriers at the start of the war to having to relay on BBS at the end I.e Leyte Gulf and Tengo

Agreed. Out of all the Star Destroyer designs the Venator is my favorite.

It looks like an arrowhead.

It still would've served well as a dedicated carrier dotted in small amounts among Imperial Class SD fleets.

That's genuinely the best argument I've heard yet. The Empire is conducting a massive military build up based on the assumption that the next war will be fought along the same battle lines as the last one which has been a common mistake made by militaries throughout history. The Empire was perfectly designed to defeat the CIS in an open war that never came.

Or that the Emperor is just an incompetent military commander, using fear factor yet impractical weapons to quell rebellion. After all, no planetary system would dare secede the Empire and form another CIS.

Nice.

The problem is the empire forgot the tiny factor of putting in point defenses weapons

@@JohnSmith-qz6xb they had a decent amount in the Imperial-I star destroyer, but the Imperial-II class removed them entirely

Oh

Lol

So *thats* how you funded the Death Star

Ok

Jaela Aurelius does....does that matter?

Tarkin Doctrine favours doritos...

@@centurion0-199 I think you got wooooshed, it was a joke.

@@warrelambert1988 don't utter the word woooosh, I think saying it's a joke is sufficient enough.

Venator will still be mah babeh no matter what

Saemin Kang I would take both

@THE MEMER no

THE MEMER absolutely not

Victory Class 1

Laughs in Lucrehulk

Simple Answer: Because George Lucas haven't thought about that back in 1970s. Long Answer: Rebellion directed most of the funding to procure X Wings and A Wings, so they have no money left to buy Venators in the end they had to resort to converted civilian vessels like MC80. Also the Starhawk battlecruisers during and after the Galactic Civil War are rumoured to be another Hammerhead variant, however some fans thought it was a more advanced version of Venator, maybe Ep9 will reveal what Starhawk really is.

@@ReviveHF additional reason - because all venators were scrapped by the time rebellion started? :P (and only people who could actually build them were imperials sooooo)

Because most got scrapped.

@@ReviveHF Another thing can be a factor is that the Venators are crew intensive, meaning the rebels need more man power to crew it than what they have.

They did use oen or two in legends, I think. But they were crew intensive so like the Lucrehulk training base, they were mostly used as mobile bases...

hey uh wrong universe bro *stares at 173 intensely*

Just like the battleships that were salvaged after Pearl harbor only to end up scrapped or sunk in nuclear bomb tests.

@@sergeantdornan4386 a real bloody shame and waste

@JT if it was up to me, I would repurpose those ships because of how they actually were in space combat. Most of the Rebellion and New Republic fleet wasn't really the best in my opinion

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purely capitalist empire, Disney.

Gave us mando tho

*insert 9+ star wars shows and many marvel shows here*

kempmt1 They had the Liberation, which was a Venator.

@@nomaem3341 what happened to it?

Cancerous Content Is there a way to view this ship? Comic?

Liberation was mostly crewed by Kota’s men. Elite Rebel Vets. Beautiful ship. I love using her in EAW AOTR. I always get my hands on a couple Venators so she has two sisters. Love Venators but you should always send about three just to be safe. Better investment than an ISD at least

@@harrybade8315 So your telling me that in a galaxy full of Quadrillions (which is still a small fucking number all things considered galaxy-wise) with a rebellion that *_DEFINITELY_* numbers in the billions they don't have the capacity to fill a Venator with at least a skeleton crew?

Lol what? How does a "power dictator" not care about costs? They cant just pull money out of their ass.

@@robertharris6092 well any government can print money and when your Emperor and can't be voted out of power you can #1 create as many imperial credits as you want #2 take money through forced taxes #3 or simply don't pay anything for supplies or labor. For instance they enslaved as many wookies as they wanted for labor rather than worry about market costs of paying skilled labor.

@@bullbythehorns808 its still a waste of resources and more importantly lazy writing.

@@bullbythehorns808 Inflation doesn't create productivity. Cost matters & no amount of wheelbarrows of printed cash worth no more than the paper it's printed on will change that

@@bullbythehorns808 #1 Get a better understanding of economics. Credits would devalue, "printing" more would do nothing. He still had to act within the economy. He was a dicatator, he wasn't all powerful. He was certainly the strongest in galactic history, but he needed logistics much like real life. #2 They already did that. #3 They enslaved aliens because the majority of the republic/empire was human, and they fostered xenophobia so they accepted it as okay to enslave them because they're not the same as humans.

ISDs were primarily orbital siege platforms that also happened to be good at taking down other capital ships as well. They were mainly used for invasions and orbital bombardment, with TIE Fighters pretty much there to defend the Star Destroyer from fighters that could threaten the command tower. During the early Imperial Era when the Tarkin Doctrine developed, there wasnt much need for efficient ship-to-ship pitched battles like the sort in the Clone Wars, since the Rebellion mostly just had fighters, light frigates, small cruisers, and corvettes, relying on hit-and-run tactics. TIEs kept the fighters at bay, and the Star Destroyer could pick off the light cruisers and frigates. Aside from a few Mon Calamari cruisers (which were defensively beastly, but lacked the offensive power to threaten an ISD directly), and a Lucrehulk or two, the Rebel fleet didnt have much. The pre-Yavin Imperial Navy had far more use for orbital siege platforms/mobile bases than they did for a naval carrier

@@BroadwayRonMexico the ISD were basicly gun platforms, yes their purpose was to smash a planets defences and bombard the surface, ence the pre ww1 doctrine lots of guns and to shamsh a ship our defences, but i will disagree whit you on the use of the TIE they were there yes to only suport the main ship, they were usles in a dog fight exept on mass, one x wing was wort 6 TIE, the empire doctrines were similar to the Mahan doctrine, large capital ships fireing numerous guns, they had nothing that could go against a fast frigate and that was also their downfall,

But the imperial class only did one of these well, anti ship. In all other roles it really kinda sucks, for example the ISD1 holds 76 fighters, the venator holds 400 so as a better carrier it fails on all accounts. Same goes for the assault role the ISD1 can't enter atmosphere and deploy its troops, the acclimator can and even in space it can deploy its troops faster. And then in the anti ship role where the ISD1 excels it won't be very useful since no one really has large ships anymore except the empire and the ISD is terrible against star fighters which is mostly what it would be fighting. So it doesn't really replace the other classes at all in actuality. And to make it worse a single venator with a full fighter&bomber compliment would absolutely destroy an ISD1 because before the ISD can even get in range the ridiculous amount of fighters and bombers would probably be able to take out the shields and engines. TLDR the ISD is good in theory but in practice is a significant step back.

@@zynarax The Venator's amount of fighters were designed to deal with the droid fighter swarms. Post Clone Wars, ( up to the height of the Rebellion, which was 20 years later), there was absolutely no need for that many fighters. During those years, there wasn't that many full blown planetary assaults, so the Acclimator was useless. Toss in the Victory, now you have 3 ship types, that you have to crew and maintain, in a period that you don't need them. The ISD could carry 20 AT-AT, 30 AT-ST's, 15 Troop Transports, and up to 9,700 troops. That amount right there is enough to put the Acclimator out of business. As for entering atmosphere, I distinctly Remember seeing a ISD in atmosphere in Rogue 1. The preferred method is to use Assault shuttles, but they can get closer if necessary. Don't get me wrong, the ISD does have faults, the lack of point defense being a major one, but the movies don't do the ship any justice. At least in the books, they remember that the thing also mounts 60 ION CANNONS! And 1 of the major losses to Rebel fighters was more bad tactics than bad ship design. Early in the Rebellion, having a simple Combat Space Patrol out would have saved alot of ships.

@@gregdomenico1891 Plus the Victory had 80 fucking concussion missile tubes which made it an absolutely ridiculous planetary assault platform. An Imperator could Base Delta Zero the planet, sure, but a Victory was a better choice for actually assaulting it. The only real issue the Victory had was it was slow. It was incredibly slow. Both at sublight speeds and in hyperspace.

@@gregdomenico1891 Having a battleship instead of a carrier against a guerilla movement is the dumbest idea ever, how people defend the tarkin doctrine in the Rebellion era, is beyond me.

@@KaiserMattTygore927 couple of points of contention; The Venators in the timeline were scrapped 5 years after the end of the Clone wars ; ten years before the Rebellion even got really going. So yes, the ISD predates the Rebellion. And they were fine during that period. As for during the Rebellion, until the later major scale fleet actions, having a Carrier heavy fleet only wouldn't have helped the Empire. And here's the reason why; in the beginning, the Rebels hit lightly defended convoys and bases. Their advantage was having hyperdrive equipped fighters; they could pick the time and place of the attack. Even if the Empire had a Carrier, say a modified Venator, the Rebels still have a major advantage. Even though technically the Venator has the fighter advantage in numbers, only a couple of fighters are actually in space , with maybe a squadron on 5 minutes ready standby. Most people (especially Sci-fi RU-vidrs) just look at the numbers that it carries, and think it can launch them at a moment's notice. That's not the way Carrier op's work. Unless directly in combat, only a fraction of them are manned. You can't keep pilots in them 24/7. Also, it takes time to launch them all. The only way they would have been devastating against the Rebellion, would have been if the Carrier was paired up with a Interdictor, and some Lancers. That way, the Carrier would have time to bring it's full compliment to bare, before the Rebels jumped back out. What killed most ISD's was their lack of point defense; they couldn't hold off the Rebel fighters long enough to get their own fighters off. ( Sorry about the long reply, Carrier's are great, but they do have limitations).

The Venator isn't even that versatile in my opinion. As was layed out in this video it was great as a carrier and had good speed and shielding. But it realy lacked firepower. Despite what Episode III and The Clone Wars show us, Venators are not designed for ship to ship combat against things like a Providence-class.

@@jonasb104 it lacked in firepower department but it more than made up for it with top of the line fighters, and tons of them. Unlike droid fighters or even Imperial ones, they were really great fighters.

@@KoteDarasuum Of course it made up for it. The Venator is a great ship...in it's role as carrier. I just wanted to point out it isn't as versatile as people always say it is.

@@jonasb104 Well yes that is fair. I mean there is a reason why Imperator (renamed Imperial I during age of Galactic Empire) and Victory class star destroyers were made in legends, not sure of canon. but atleast in legends Republic knew they need heavy hitters to compliment their Venators carrier capability

@Deathsdayoff person Sure, through it's fighters it can practically do anything that needs to be done. But that doesn't make the ship itself very versatile, just it's fighters. Your point stands though.

I definitely prefer how this was handled in Legends, where the Clone Wars era tech was phased out gradually instead of being outright replaced for the sake of appealing to OT nostalgia.

It would also make sense that the Venator was a rushed stop gap measure for the clone wars. Built quickly and in large numbers but only expected to have a very short service life. Take real world emergency ship building programs like the liberty ships, flower class corvettes, various escort carriers, ect. They were all built quickly and in large numbers but following the end of ww2 the majority were scrapped with some being sold off or converted to other roles. Personally I think it's quite realistic to see things like the Venator phased out or scrapped soon after the end of the clone wars

@@themadhammer3305 I believe that Star Killer Base was a phase 3 ultimate weapon Palpatine developed to destroy planets the Empire could not conquer -- like Mandalor or Naboo. But he didn't like to see his ultimate weapon used.....or did he?!?

best in universe guess? keeping even a single venator repaired, supplied, fueled and staffed required far more capital than most pirate outfits could manage. With groups that relied on smaller hyperspace capable vessels, someone who could field a venator would be better served using it as a mobile, or semi mobile base of operations safely tucked away out of the action. It can move around, so authorities never know where they're operating from, Pirates could hit up a venator for rest repairs and refueling, get their forces organized, Hop a few systems over in hyperspace, hit a few choice vessels, and then hop back. Rinse repeat.

Vader killed all the hipsters, so there’s no nostalgia for them lol

In legends a Mandalorian faction had one in Empire at War Forces of Corruption.

Also in Legends the Smuggler Booster Terrick owned an Imperial Star Destroyer named the Errant Venture. He could barely afford to keep it space worthy. In one book, half the bridge systems were down, the turbolift system was barely functional, and he only had 3 working turbolasers.

@@murphsmodels8853 lol thats cool tho

The rebels would have loved to have gotten their hands on a few to use as a mobile base of operations

So to use the Venator almost like an auxiliary or support carrier?

@@nomaem3341 yea their compliments of hundreds of fighters each would crush any rebel fighter wings and they have bombers and main guns to assist with anti cap duty as the Japanese and Americans learned during ww2 a single carrier is worth much more than a single battleship

If the Imperial Navy had used the Star Destroyer as it was intended enemy Star Fighters wouldn't have been a problem. The Tie fighters were intended to act as an Imperial Star Destroyer Point defense system. Overly aggressive (mostly all) Imperial officers use the Tie fighters as a strike force leaving the Star Destroyer vulnerable to attack.

@@jamesricker3997 TIEs still have to be deployed. That takes time. A good hit and run attack can take less time. The best point defense system is A POINT DEFENSE SYSTEM. Even if they sacrificed a third of the ISD's turbolasers, it would've still easily been the most well armed ship of its class.

@That One Lad The death star : The venator class fighter

The Venator Class Star Carrier?

Navy Boys : Venator class Aviation Destroyer

Gigachads: Republic Venator-Class Command Cruiser 'Negotiator'

Ironic. The empires defocus on fighters is what made them loose.

FFG have already shown the Starhawk...

Just like the franchise today

NEVER!!!

Just an effect of the prequels being newer. Theres a reason the US. Or any significant navy to my knowledge. have no battleships in service anymore.

So economically is better for the empire to have a Titan sized Death Star, completely unsupported, meagre AA defence againts small fighters, and a single core weakness that can chain reaction of explosion if hit just by a single Proton Missile... right...

In terms of the enemy the empire was fighting ironically they did.

old rep has quality because they didnt have or need anything in quantity, in a comic mace windu strom a planet with some fighters from judical force that have 5 times price tag of a x-wing.

but it do not carry star 👴👴👴

Harre hahahahaha funny. But the size of the ship is classed as a carrier

calum Wilson Aye thought in the Imperial Navy it couldve been used as either an auxiliary unit or a support Carrier within battle groups of ISD 1’s.

Uhh but there was no need for anti capital ships though.I mean the rebels mostly used fighters and smaller ships.

@@AbyssWatcher745 Pretty sure they still didn't exist well or that wide spread,don't know about the early Empire doctrine maybe the Imperial Star Destroyer where used to hold and expand the empire's influence,and using it to keep the systems in check.

MoreFaster Aye, so sad to see a capable carrier go to waste.

It looks like a weird praetor

@@reedcoffman3210 Yeah but it looks better than the original praetor no offence I like the Allegiance better

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with hookers & Blackjack??

According to Legends, the Mon Calamari were a peaceful race until the Empire enslaved them. Then they took all of their cruise and transport ships and armed them.

So it was made for good starfighters

Ya that would have been an awesome battle

Maybe so no one would one it against them

That would have been a disaster for the empire. A Venator could function as a mobile strike base. Jump out of hyperspace launch a strike group then the fighters jump to their Target while the Venator jumps to a pre-planned recovery point the fighters complete the mission and jump to the pre-planned recovery point land and then Ventator jumps away.

at least one or two did. One imperial managed to get a fleet of them somehow and hid them behind an asteroid, and there were a bunch sent to patrol low risk star systems.

@@Red-S-267 Yep. Admiral Daala and her irregular fleet.

probably more along the lines of the Old Republic, since those were the tactics and doctrines he learned his craft under as a jedi general.

Emperor Vader would probably be more practical, he'd keep the Venators as escort carriers that tag along with the Imperator-class Star Destroyers, and he'd keep the shielded fighters instead of throwing waves of cannon fodder TIEs at the enemy. He'd probably shit-can the TIE Fighter program unless they slap shield generators on them the way Thrawn did to the TIE Interceptors during the Thrawn trilogy.

Battleships are out of date in modern times. At least as we define them. No amount of practical armor can defend against a sufficient number of warplanes (e.g. the Yamato during operation Ten-go, where the largest battleship in history with 150+ AA guns and it's escorts were sunk at the cost of only a few airplanes), or nowadays missiles. Even active defenses are finite in what they can shoot down if the enemy saturates them with enough missiles. And it doesn't take too many missiles to put even heavily armored ships out of commission. For now the best strategy seems to be to split up firepower between multiple ships so if one is lost ten more can still fight. At least until someone invents a game-changer in terms of defense.

*Cries in Azur Lane playing, Warspite-loving, weeb.*

@@AdmiralBlackstar Hey Captain Obvious McObvious face, sorry to burst your ''I know history and wanna show off'' moment, but I already knew that. ALL of that. I was obviously talking about preserving them for museum ship purposes. Duh. Is HMS Belfast an active front line combat ship in the Royal Navy? No. But I did mention it being saved. It's obviously a museum -.- HMS Victory is a different matter and is more ceremonial in spite of being on the active roster of the ship lists of the Royal Navy.

@@ceilyurie856 Who you calling a weeb? I'm British so I care about British ships. Start/finish the end of the point. Nothing weeb about it unless you're calling yourself one lol

@@ThePalaeontologist I am one. Warspite is one of the best shipgirls in Azur Lane.

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