Why we all Disagree about Daenerys Targaryen: Fandom Perception, Going "Mad" & Burning Cities Debate 

Baenery's Targaryen did nothing wrong. 👸🏼👑♥️❤️‍🔥🐉🐲

I like Tormund! He's a big loud boastful joker who acknowledges that life is pain. He still loves and is loyal to his family AND his people. He makes unpopular decisions for other people's sake, and he can still laugh - because what else are ya gonna do? And because I do want to drain a giant horn of mead with him and make bad jokes all night... .

Exactly Gourge whole point is that ruling is hard and that there's no such thing as a perfect ruler not that all of them are bad just because they make mistakes.

@@thatoneblackdude3333I don’t think that’s anywhere near the main theme but it definitely is one of the themes he repeats over and over… I feel like the main point is that evil is plain and clear, it doesn’t take much thought to tell good from evil… sacrifice of life, bad, killing innocents is bad, especially children etc. I’d also say another theme is we see is exactly what you say, but it applies to EVERYONE, not just leaders… life isn’t easy, it requires sacrifices (not blood or life) and it gets messy for us all, good guys do bad things and good, bad guys do bad things and good… and intent matters

@@swayback7375 my comment wasn't refuring to the theme of the series but the point he's trying too make with Dany and jons ruling arcs

To that, I am gonna answer what I said in another comment: This was obvious from the moment people asked Martin why he chose Daenerys who is a woman and not Viserys to have the dragons. Daenerys, Cat, and Sansa are doomed if they do, doomed if they don't. If they do mistakes and have flaws, they are useless and entitled brats, if they don't, they are Mary Sues. Meanwhile, one of our most entitled people, that does weird shit very often, is a creep and not as clever as people say, Tyrion, is a fan favorite, even tho is a character with a great amount of victim mentality (him being salty with Sansa on their wedding night for example), and use it, quite often to excuse that he isn't a good person. As for parallels considering their lives, it makes way more sense for Sansa to be friendly with Dany or at least understand one another and not that stupid bunter they did in the show between all three main female leads.

@@CompanyOfTheCat Yes! I am holding out in my mind for some kind of wary understanding, at the least, between Dany and Sansa as they each struggle toward womanhood. I don't like Tyrion either, but he's interesting to read about. Interesting to know his thoughts. I have met too many bright, alienated, victim mentality people who think they really do know it all in real life. I once was fascinated by them, but I have learned to get them out of my life! At least the ones that never get over themselves. Life is too short, and I'm 62!

Wholeheartedly agree about the stupid petty fight between Sansa and Dany on the show. The only thing that Dumb&Dumber know how to portray is an AliExpress version of Mean Girls where the only possible thoughts Sansa could have are “Waaa! Daenerys prettier than me! SO UNFAIR! WOE IS MEE” 😤😤😤 Like the thought that women could SUPPORT each other ot at least be very understaning of their shared experiences NEVER EVEN CROSSED their dumb mind!

I agree and... Oh, boy. Just the other day I had a discussion with a guy on facebook in ASOIAF group who hated Cat and made up stuff to supposedly shade a light of why Cat was a horrible person and basically everything was Cat's fault, which all the Cat haters basically do, and their reasons are always because yes and because in one passage of a page, Cat screwed up the pooch like all male characters have, but since she's a woman, that meant Cat was an awful person and character and deserved all the hate they throw at her. And after I replied to prove them wrong, the same guy, a minute later, posted another Cat hate post to "further prove" that Cat sucked. Because yeah, god forbid that a character is sad because they killed her husband and children (as she doesn't know that Bran and Rickon are alive and also she thinks Arya is probably dead). Also I had a guy replying to me that supposedly Cat was an awful irredeemable character with zero good qualities. And all of them, after I replied them and wrote them why they were wrong and being bias towards Cat, none of them couldn't come up with anything to prove me wrong because in their hearts they know I was right and that they just hate Cat because yes and because she's a woman but don't want to admit it. And I'm not even a super Cat fan haha she's not even in my top 5 favorite ASOIAF characters. But yeah, she's an awesome character even after she became Lady Stoneheart. But yeah, a lot of male readers don't like female characters unless they're like Arya, a girl that kicks ass and fights. Because yeah, if they aren't that and they aren't perfect and don't do what the male characters tell them to do, then they are bad characters and they suck. Because while they're forgiving of bad stuff the male characters do, when it comes to women, they are zero forgiving.

@@ARVETDEG Thank you for supporting the character of Catelyn against hateful “fans”. You are doing the good work, hah, and it’s always so satisfying when you have the better argument because it’s the truth! We need people who stand up for characters when they are shamed unfairly. I swear all the women in ASOIAF get so much hate in the world. I don’t know if George specifically had that intention in mind, but his book exposed just how MUCH mysoginy there STILL IS in 2023, 21st century! And I hate it. Also on the topic of hating women, I saw one guy in the comments of this video (and he was copy-pasting his hateful response under probably every single comment here, I don’t know - he probably really wants to argue). So this guy said that Daenerys is a spoiled brat and insufferable. Yeah. A character that grew up on the streets with no family and support. A character that was sold into marital slavery. Yeah. A spoiled brat. “”MAKES SENSE!”” Or better Make it Make sense. Final notes - I don’t know why. I could never connect with Arya. I don’t hate her, of course, as I hate no character. I just have characters that I dislike or even really dislike - like Tywin Lannister. But I don’t get the Arya hype. She is a traumatised child. And yet everyone is valuing her like: “That’s what REAL girls should be doing! Other girls are not badass if they don’t dress like boys and fight!” It’s like ughhhhhhhhh. Here comes “I’m not like other girls” again! I am a woman who likes dresses and music and dancing and poetry, so I’m not a real woman in the Arya stans eyes. Hah, anyway, comment over, I’m sorry I wrote so long. Your comment about Cat is fantastic and thank you :)

EXACTLY! I feel like sexual harassment and abuse has been so prevalent in her life that she now has a problematic relationship with intimacy and relationships. Like shes about 16 in dance so her exploring is fine, but i feel like Dany doesn’t realise that both her and others sexualising her is not ok. Sexualization has a time and a place that is interconnected to consent and i hope she learns that🥺

Y E S, in everything!

Oh man, the scene at the crossroads inn where she kills the tickler left me in tears during my latest audiobook re-listen. Such a good and fucked up scene. It killed me how they turned her into a girlboss yass queen type of character in the show, instead of the traumatized messed up little girl she was.

Glad you liked the video! As I mentioned in my pinned comment as well, it's sadly not a new phenomenon that people really do not like teen girls. I must admit, I was pleasantly surprised that many people agreed with me, and even those who didn't were civil in the comments (at least the majority 😂). Regarding the whole conundrum about Dany's position and whether she was sold or not, I wasn't aware it was even a topic of discussion until I created this channel. I was so confused that this was a thing since it's quite straightforward, and George R. R. Martin himself has talked about it outside of the novels, confirming that she was indeed sold. I mean, yes, there were people who did not like her, but I have never seen people disagree about whether she was or wasn't sold to Drogo. The conversation was always about whether she is going to snap in the end or not, so when I saw this I was just a ball of question marks. All in all, the show did a big damage and even though people shitting on it, they still pick and choose the storylines they like, but considering that many huge plotlines were missing I really do not see the reason to even mention it and take it into consideration. (Except if the things are confirmed by the author, obviously)

@@CompanyOfTheCat Oh yeah, the denial of her being a bridal slave is pretty common, for example people insisting that her anti-slavery campaign came out of nowhere (lmao) or painting the situation with Mirri as "Dany was Drogo's second in command and was fine with him taking slaves and then burned her slave alive for something she didn't do because Mirri didn't want to kill Rhaego at all" 🙃 just incredible.

I would not describe Dany as sexual exactly. She is 14-16 in the books meaning a teen with hormones to the god (we all have been there), and even George comments on Jorah being a creep both in Dany's povs and Tyrion's. So the fandom thirsting over a 15-year-old is icky. I think it has to do with the fact that a lot of people cannot really separate being sexual, meaning to an age that sex is in your life, and being sexualized I think. Nakedness and being sexually active don't automatically mean that in a show it has to look sexy, but if it doesn't it doesn't sell. This is the sad truth, GoT in its prime was known for boobs and dragons and that's saying something about the show.

​@CompanyOfTheCat My problem with the show isn't the aex scenes per se, but how it really got off on showing sa and women being taken advantage off when they didn't need to be so graphic. Like we hear about sa and see the horrifying aftereffects in the books but the show went put of its way to depict it in the moment and then even add some. Sansa is the prime example of this with the riot of kings landing and with ramsey. Ros is also a good one.

@@Ashbrash1998 So true. The show went overboard, was a T and A show in many ways, saved only by the early writing and the ACTING.

In the books, Dany's sexual initiation by Drogo is tender and sweet. This is I think important because later she wants to have a lover - bad boy Dario - even if she knows he is mainly attracted by her power. And Jorah creeps her out. He's not attractive in the books, at least not to Dany. But they wanted to show her taking the sexual initiative with Drogo later in the show - show her teaching Drogo, so working backwards from that the first time was just abrupt. They still could have done all that offscreen, you're right.

@@Ashbrash1998 I think the book sa is part of the point of how poverty and war makes this all worse than ever.

I think it was the "broad strokes" comment from 2014. I remember people say this up until after the ending of the show, even though every year after this comment, they were changing this statement drastically.

YES, they should have completely seized their property if not straight-up executions, especially for high-ranking people. All in all, I think it's commentary on the fact that she doesn't want to use violence straight up, but in this situation it is necessary

@@CompanyOfTheCatit’s because her dad was the mad king and those around her will forever put her under that lens . It was the same as her brother honestly he had no chance their dad a d brother really messed things up For them with his so open insanity

You need to do some mental gymnastics and ignore a lot of written stuff to come to some conclusions that are circulating in the fandom fr

100% agree!

Agreed, but that is book Drogo. Show Drogo was killed by Mirri but this is just 1 more example indicating books and show are different stories.

I doubt that Mirri actually applied something good for him from the beginning, and even if she really applied a good treatment, in the end the best option was keep waiting for their own people to apply their own treatment for the wound, just because it would be something that he was used to.

Your a do* Talking about Danny an Drogo I say to all Danny haters Dracarys

It was the reason I put Green or Blacks as a second choice in the poll!!

I guess, but note that male characters also don't get their actions excused if they had a painful past. For example, take Joffrey. Everyone agrees he's awful and no one tries to defend him or ask us to consider his point of view. Even though you can also point out that he's had a traumatic past: - His grandfather is basically Machiavelli (Tywin). - His biological father (Jaime) is someone who will shove a child out of a window to protect his reputation. That's possible psychopathy right there. - His mother is equally unscrupulous. Cersei is power-hungry and clearly gets pleasure out of hurting people who cross her (eg her poisoning a chained-up Dornish girl and then forcing her chained-up mother to watch her die). Again, possible psychopathy. She's also fine with handing people over to torturers if that gives her some sort of advanatage. - And Joffrey was raised by Robert, who cheated relentlessly, didn't really love Joffrey's mother, was drunk and was rarely around / an absent father. There also was a time in the books where Robert hit Joffrey, and another time when Robert hit Cersei. So Joffrey had horrible parents and an absent drunk cheating father who hit him at least once. If psychopathy is genetic then he may have inherited those genes from his two arguably-psychopathic parents. Plus he's a literal child. If children behave poorly, you should blame the parents, not the children. And yet everyone says Joffrey was awful, no one defends him and everyone cheers when that child got poisoned and choked to death. So I don't think it's inconsistent when people similarly go "show Dany sucks, no matter how much trauma you went through you're not allowed to be a mass murderer."

we have barristan and quentyn povs tho. “I told you before that I used a false name so the Lannisters would not know that I’d joined you. That was less than half of it, Your Grace. The truth is, I wanted to watch you for a time before pledging you my sword. To make certain that you were not…” “… my father’s daughter?” If she was not her father’s daughter, who was she? “… mad,” he finished. “But I see no taint in you.” // “She laughed at him,” said Pretty Meris. Daenerys never laughed. The rest of Meereen might see him as an amusing curiosity, like the exiled Summer Islander King Robert used to keep at King’s Landing, but the queen had always spoken to him gently. - The Spurned Suitor ADWD [...] “I told him it was folly. I begged him to go home. Your bitch of a queen had no use for him, any man could see that. He crossed the world to offer her his love and fealty, and she laughed in his face.” “She never laughed,” said Selmy. “If you knew her, you would know that.” // also, how other not pov character can react to dany “Should you reach your queen, give her a message from the slaves of Old Volantis.” She touched the faded scar upon her wrinkled cheek, where her tears had been cut away. “Tell her we are waiting. Tell her to come soon.” - Tyrion, ADWD // “Say the word, my sweet, & I will send you from this awful place. I will find a ship & send you home. To Naath.” “I would sooner stay with you. On Naath I’d be afraid. I feel safe when I’m with you.” // "Daenerys is our hope. Tell them that, at the Citadel. Make them listen. They must send her a maester. Daenerys must be counseled, taught, protected. // ''this Mother of Dragons, this Breaker of Chains, is above all a rescuer''

THAT!!! Thank you so much for this comment. In general, if I kept everything I wanted to say about the show I would be here for 2 whole hours, so I tried to keep the basics. PLus, I wasn't aware of this: This combined with D&D pitching a "What if the Confederates Won" show to HBO is really weird. EW!

Idk man. I'm reading the books for the first time and am on clash of kings. And she is a total spoiled brat that doesn't care about other people or have very much empathy and she is super entitled and all of that becomes 100x worse when she gets angry. So yeah, she is definitely pretty bad in her own ways. She is not exactly "Dragon Hitler" because she is very different from Hitler in many ways but she is definitely very tyrannical, entitled, lacks a lot of empathy, has anger issues and flashes of uncontrolled rage among other things. She is not the "saint" people make her out to be, even though she's not 100% dragon Hitler entirely yet.

​@@CompanyOfTheCat hey man. Amazon did a "what if the Nazis won" tv show and it was very good and very highly rated. I think it was called "The man in the high castle" and it was very well done, i don't think it was weird. Also the Wolfenstein games are extremely popular and also do a "what if the Nazis won....... because their crazy scientists found super weapons and alien technology" scenario. And it is very amazing too.

@@nicklibby3784 60% of Americans read at or below a 6th grade level and something tells me you’re in that group

@@nicklibby3784Man you only live in the Manosphere and it SHOWS in all of your comments. You probably have such a hate boner for Dany because she never once states that she is an Alpha male coming here to rule over all the other Alpha males. 😂 You hate women so much that their mere existence in a foreign land with lots of enemies and barely any means to survive makes them “spoiled”. Cry harder.

🙄😐Yes there will....😐🙄🙄🥱😐 It is obvious. Facts don't care about your feelings......😠😠🤬😠😡😠🤬

I hope not....they did that for the sake of that ONE VISUAL . BOOKS!

Write, George, write!

@@nicklibby3784 uh FACTS? May I remind you this is, in fact, fiction?

Debatable

Jorah is a creep and way to comfortable with slavery. Show-Jorah was fanfic at best

I didn't use the right word I think, I mean character as in book character, not personality. For almost three seasons, the events and the stuff her character did, were very similar with some missing as in everyone else's since they were cutting A LOT of things out. Marrying Drogo, Mother of Dragons, freeing slaves, etc. Her personality for sure wasn't the same as I said after too and I would even say even in the first season, wasn't that accurate where it was the closest, and I think a big reason was the age difference tbh and not only the writing of the character. Her motives and thought prosses were always vastly different obviously.

Ε τα λεω τι κανω καθομαι?

@@CompanyOfTheCat 😂😂😂

Missandei is even worse, there wasn't a reason to be an adult. In general, the sexualization in GoT is crazy and yet people had a problem with Arya having sex with Gendry, bc yes, this was the most disturbing thing in the series.

@@CompanyOfTheCat Very very true!

I understand why they aged dany up because of her sex scenes with drogo and stuff but I thought Emilia did a good job plus she used the books to guide her it’s just disappointing that they were making dany emotionless and cold when Emilia had to fight them to have danys heart be shown because that’s how she is in the books she is very humble and sweet but also lonely and sad

Arya and Bran for me, with Brienne and Dany close behind

Or cosplaying as Dany and Drogo, plz don't

The ages I think are something that we very often dismiss and the reason is the series (or at least a big reason). Dany, Missandei, an even worse one IMO. As for Westeros is gonna be demystified in Daenerys' eyes for sure.

hahahahahaah It's ok!! Glad you liked the video and found it interesting❤️

@@CompanyOfTheCat I do like it, just as you already said before it is a difficult topic, but still everyone who makes one Video about her knowing the Controverse Discussion it will undoubtedly start is worth admiring. But still compared to other characters I find Daenerys very annoying, I like Sam, Davos, Petyr Baelish (mostly because I think he is creepy and that's always something I find entertaining), Sansa and Meera. But you did a great job of highlighting the Problems of the Audience when it comes to this Character.

The thing with Daenerys's advisors is something that isn't commented on enough imo. Dany is a kid and she has good intentions, as well as has done some very impressive things considering her age and position. But of course, she has made mistakes as well and she doesn't have good advisors, especially ones that are trained and familiar with politics. I hear very often people say Dany doesn't listen to her council and I am always asking what council exactly? The Dothraki bloodriders, Barristan as you said too, Jorah, or the Ghiscari ex-Slavers? None of these people are that much more experienced than her in politics or they do not want her to succeed. I think Daenerys is smart, she understands much more than many people her age and even older, but she is currently learning how to rule and what to do, she doesn't already know, she never had training and her advisors are just not good. I think a team-up with Tyrion can be beneficial for both sides tbh and I am waiting to see how this is gonna go, even though I am not the biggest fan of Tyrion no one can disagree that he is much better in politics than most.

@@CompanyOfTheCat as much as I like Tyrion, he'd be good as a shadow advisor instead of being seen as a part of her inner circle, with any real power. By killing his father he made everything negative ever said about him true, at least in the minds of those in westeros. And he not being able to keep his mouth shut has admitted to killing both Joffrey and Tywin, (look at the Freys and the Riverlands after they broke guest rights). I also think he hasn't learned the right lessons from his failures.

@@schmalzilla1985 Also, very true

Not, gonna lie, I haven't seen the videos, I don't know what exactly has been said in there. I am aware of them because they have been discussed in the fandom, I never watched them mostly, because the thumbnails really left a bitter taste in my mouth, but I did research to see what is going on in the fandom for this video so pretty much I can guess what is going on in there. Now, about the tokars, it is a Ghiscari article of clothing, do the freedmen can wear it? Theoretically, yes it is permitted, but the garment is so uncomfortable that you need assistance with everything, so only people who have slaves can wear it, even in the one scene where we saw freedmen with a "job" wear it, it is heavily hinted they were exiles from the Slaver Cities by Daenerys and in the scene were assisted by slaves. "Dog and pig included in lot," the auctioneer announced. "The dwarfs ride them. Delight the guests at your next feast or use them for a folly." The bidders sat on wooden benches sipping fruit drinks. A few were being *fanned by slaves. Many wore tokars,* that peculiar garment beloved by the old blood of Slaver's Bay, as *elegant as it was impractical.* - A Dance with Dragons - Tyrion X Tokars are uncomfortable on purpose, the more uncomfortable and heavy because of the fringe, the higher status the person who wears it has. All wrapped themselves in tokars, a garment permitted only to freeborn men of Astapor. It was the fringe on the tokar that proclaimed a man's status, Dany had been told by Captain Groleo. In this cool green room atop the pyramid, two of the slavers wore tokars fringed in silver, five had gold fringes, and one, the oldest Grazdan, displayed a fringe of fat white pearls that clacked together softly when he shifted in his seat or moved an arm. [...] Slaves and servants lined the ways, while *the slavers and their women donned their tokars* to look down from their stepped pyramids. - A Storm of Swords - Daenerys III The garment was a clumsy thing, a long loose shapeless sheet that had to be wound around her hips and under an arm and over a shoulder, its dangling fringes carefully layered and displayed. Wound too loose, it was like to fall off; wound too tight, it would tangle, trip, and bind. Even wound properly, the tokar required its wearer to hold it in place with the left hand. Walking in a tokar demanded small, mincing steps and exquisite balance, lest one tread upon those heavy trailing fringes. It was not a garment meant for any man who had to work. The tokar was a master's garment, a sign of wealth and power. - A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys I Only the elite have the affordability to wear them because even random freedmen with a job cannot wear tokars because of practicality. If their job doesn't require movement for themselves and they are rich enough, then they still need to have slaves for everything, thus they benefit from a system built on slavery. We know that these cities' whole economy is based on slavery, bc the moment that stopped their economy collapsed. Saying that the last random freedman with a 9-5 job in Astopor wears a Tokar, requires heavy mental gymnastics, IMO. It is explicitly stated in the World Book as well, that these cities' main export is slaves, thus their name. What now remains of the once-proud empire of Old Ghis is a paltry thing-a few cities clinging like sores to Slaver's Bay and another that pretends to be Old Ghis come again. For after the Doom came to Valyria, the cities of Slaver's Bay were able to throw off the last of the Valyrian shackles, ruling themselves in truth rather than playing at it. And what remained of the Ghiscari swiftly reestablished their trade in slaves-though where once they won them by conquest, now they purchased and bred them. - The World of Ice and Fire - Ancient History: The Rise of Valyria Slavery was a part of the Ghiscary Culture since the Dawn Age, even Valyrians acquired this from them, the only difference is that Old Ghis had a similar slavery system, let's call it that, to the Old World, (Roman Empire, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, Sumerians, etc.) in a war the looser becomes a slave (it was the same in the majority of the world from native Americans to Romans to Polynesians) the current Ghiscary have created a slave factory, closer to other types of slavery mostly more modern ones. If someone is from these cities and part of the elite and rich enough to be able to wear a Tokar it is naive and hypocritical to believe that they do not take part in the Slave System, either selling, training, or capturing the people. Glad you like the video, thanks for watching!!!

Amazing response. I super appreciate you taking the time. I was so sure this was a direct "subtweet" response to Hills Alive's vid on this, but I believe you didn't watch it or I think you would have been a bit more detailed like you are here. Many of her vids are excellent, though several of them are trash fires, almost entirely depending on the thesis she seems to choose going in (defending Cersei while trashing Dany is just weird). I think you two share similar values (which I also share, especially about how women are portrayed in the books/shows), but I suspect I agree with your conclusion more. Just started watching your vids, and loving them all so far.

I have seen some of her videos and indeed there are stuff that I agree, that being said weird one liners about Dany were thrown before these Dany specific videos, so I just skipped them the moment I saw the TNs😂

It is obvious I think that Dany will, returned changed, as will Jon. They will be way more "no more bullshit", harsh and merciless, bc it is a war and both of them realized that you cannot accommodate and save everybody and trying to do this, especially when people who are trash are involved will only lead to worse problems.

I very much like your comment and agree with most of it. I agree that Dany won’t be some picture perfect hero because they don’t exist. I agree that both her and Jon will be changed and darker. They will lose their child selves. I just disagree with some opinions that I’ve seen on the internet - that she will do something 100% evil/villainous or end up being the sole villain of the story. Or that she will die a horrible death. Or have some sacrifice or what-not. I think it will be something ballanced. And something beautiful and satisfying because I believe in George Martin. I also REALLY like the line from the Word of Ice and Fire about the Great Empire of the Dawn. This is the exact quote: “These Asshai’i histories say that a people so ancient they had no name first tamed dragons in the Shadow and brought them to Valyria, teaching the Valyrians their arts *before departing from the annals.* Yet if men in the Shadow had tamed dragons first, why did they not conquer as the Valyrians did? “ That part - before departing from the annals of history - is honestly my FAVOURITE. Both Jon and Dany seem like the most important characters in the upcoming War for the Dawn. War is messy. We don’t know what will happen to them. But I’m sure both of them will end up in myth. And if the books ends up with something like “And then the Last heroes departed from the annals” - a girl can dream - I’ll be so happy. Because it’s an open ending and we can imagine that the heroes survived The War for the Dawn and are just living out their days somewhere with a new identity and nobody knows about them. That’s my version of bittersweet. Not “everyone dies, but that’s life.” That’s just bitter. Anyway, this was long, thank you for your great comment, it was a pleasure to read. 🎉

@@CompanyOfTheCat Danny returns from where the Dothraki Sea as in her visions a 1000 grey haied croans bowing before the mother of mountain's Daenerys an her dragons will be needed to help Jon destroy the Others an slayer if Lies is Faegon

If they were smart and had humor they would turn it into a parody/comedy, "A Knights Tale" kind of thing it would be arguably much better with far less backlash.

This was obvious from the moment people asked Martin why he chose Daenerys who is a woman and not Viserys to have the dragons. Daenerys, Cat, and Sansa are doomed if they do, doomed if they don't. If they do mistakes and have flaws, they are useless and entitled brats, if they don't, they are Mary Sues. Meanwhile, one of our most entitled people, that does weird shit very often, is a creep and not as clever as people say, Tyrion, is a fan favorite, even tho is a character with a great amount of victim mentality (him being salty with Sansa on their wedding night for example), and use it, quite often to excuse that he isn't a good person.

@@CompanyOfTheCat Well, he's a man, you know...something, something, concessions and bullshit🥴 I was naive enough in the beginning to think that this series with it's loose historical touchstones, would be a catalyst for a deeper reexamination of women as well as the arch of the folly of children unguided in violent circumstance underneath in/and power. That gets weirdly glossed over and drowned out in most places. GRRM set the board and we decided we're mostly still shitting pigeons. Maybe, I didn't know where to look, so thank you, and I'm glad I found you here.

THANK YOU! Thank you for this comment! ❤ The ammount of GoT people, who call themselves “”””fans””””, but are straight up incels who hate women and everything that women do is straight up concerning. Also, by the end of the comment I get pretty heated - my hate is directed toward the two dumbest writers in the world David and Dan of the show, not towards you. Your comment is so SPOT ON! The audacity of being a woman… how dare we exist in a male society! And the show writers D&D are in the same boat of incels. Honestly, these weird “fan” creeps saw the many SA instances on the show and naked women taken advantage of and thought: “A-ha! Finally a show that agrees with me that women are sex objects!” Because can D&D explain their actions? Why did D&D make the choice for every major woman in the show to “”””””go mad””””” (a plot point which is most probably going to be absent in the book), be disinherited/sidestepped when it comes to power/ die/ or straight up not included (Lady Stoneheart plot). Coming back to the “going mad” crazy stupid plot. Their only lousy excuse it “Oooooh, it’s those MAD Targ genes bruh! Source: Trust me bro” Why was Jaeherys not mad? Why was Alysanne not mad? Why was Daemon not mad? Why was Raella not mad? Why was Bloodraven not mad?? And we can add other Targs to this list.

@@CompanyOfTheCatThank you so much for this comment too. I honestly CAN’T stand just how ABHORRENT Tyrion is!!!! Even GRRM calls him a villain and RIGHTFULLY SO! And D&D on the show thought - NAHH he is a man, he absolutely CANNOT be a villain. But because they are also imbeciles they made Tyrion dumb as hell too. That’s all they were capable of. 😂

I want to make a video about Margaery and Olenna together at some point!

I want to make a R'hollor video as I have about other religions, but I have to read stuff that I am not as familiar with. Unlike other religions, I am not as familiar with Buddhism and whatever I know from Hindu is because there are similarities to other Indo-European religions. But at some point, I want to make one!

Αυτό που μου κάνει εντύπωση tbh είναι ότι και η Ντανυ και ο Γιαννακης θα επιστρέψουν με "τέρμα οι μαλακίες" σκεπτικό, αλλά το φάνντομ γύρω από την Ντανέρης είναι σε φάση "Πωπω είναι μια τρελή, πάντα ήταν" κάτι που όχι. Ξεκινάνε εχοντας αυτό το σκεπτικό και ψάχνουν ξεκάρφωτα αποσμάσματα χωρίς το κοντεξτ για να αποδειξουν οτι θέλουν (κτι που γινεται για πολλες θεωριες γενικα), αν ξεκινήσω με αυτό το σκεπτικό και ψάξω λαινς στο κείμενο μπορώ να βγάλω τους πάντες τρελούς. Και η Ντανυ κι ο Γιαννακης (και η Αρυα και η Σανσα εδω που τα λέμε) ναι θα κάνουν πράγματα (πολεμος εν τω μεταξυ) που είναι σκληρά, αδίστακτα γιατί δυστυχώς είναι αναγκαίο. Και ξεκαθάρα θα καεί το αποκαίδι στο Βολαντις και ναι Ο Τζον θα καθαρισει πολύ κόσμο μετά την ανάσταση του, γιατι πήραν ενα πολυ σκληρο μάθημα, δεν γίνεται ποτέ να σώσεις και να βολέψεις τους πάντες. Αυτο είναι ολο το κόνσεπτ του Μάρτιν και για αυτό έβαλε εξ'αρχης να υπάρχουν προβλήματα στο Μιρίν.

@@CompanyOfTheCat Μένει να δούμε ακριβώς τι σημαίνει η βιβλικη έκδοση της " Darker Daenerys " αλλά νομίζω μπορούμε να απορρίψουμε κάτι αντίστοιχο με την Ναζί Daenerys που θέλει να " ελευθερώσει" τον κόσμο, επειδή στα βιβλία δεν υπάρχει πουθενά η " Break Of The Wheel "ιδεολογία. Αυτό ήταν μια κακόγουστη εφεύρεση τον D&D για να αποδώσουν την δικια τους ερμηνεία στην σκοτεινή Daenerys...Στα βιβλια, δεν θέλει να το παίξει Μεσσίας, το μυαλό της είναι στον γενέθλιο δικαίωμα της, απλά προσπαθεί να ανακτήσει την δυναστεία της χωρίς να προκαλέσει τον θάνατο αμάχων, αποφεύγοντας δηλαδή το στυλ των Dothraki του κατακτώ, σκοτώνω τους άντρες και σκλαβώνω και βιάζω τις γυναίκες...Σε πιο βαθμό θα το κατάφερει, μένει να φανεί όταν ο Martin τελειωσει επιτελους το έπος του...

Fantastic comment! And with sources! So very well done, like an essay!

@@vanessaprincesssa Thanks!

The Others and which thing is happening before or after was handled very poorly. King's Landing will be burned mostly by Wild Fire very soon I think, kinda like Cersei burning the Sept in the series (which should have annihilated the city actually), we have an angry, sick, with PTSD JonCon and a Cersei who is obsessed with Wild Fire herself and we know that the whole city has stashes all over the place. This burning I really doubt would involve Daenerys in the first place since she is still somewhere in the middle of Essos and Young Griff is already in the Stormlands. If Dany is involved with burning in Westeros it would most likely be at the Reach since Euron is also a huge problem and Victarion wants her for that reason exactly. Everything else after that most likely would be about the big games, since the others are the main issue it was in the prologue of the AGOT, the first phrase was "The real enemy is the cold".

@@CompanyOfTheCat Good points. It is possible it could involve Daenerys but not on purpose and I wager Tyrion deserved some of the blame if he did-would he specifically not tell her about it or something like that? But whatever way it happens I think it is very reasonable to have doubts season 8 (which I argue is so contradicted by seasons 1-7 of GoT that it can be argued not to be part of that series) is what GRRM is planning-very reasonable to have doubts.

@@CompanyOfTheCat Also thank you again for pointing that quote out and a few others in your video.

I think that Mirri would have killed the baby, but the magic didn't work and Drogo stayed a vegetable because the baby would have been a stillborn either way, it was a lizard baby and I doubt that was Mirri's work. Mirri would have killed the baby, something that she wanted as she said, bc of the prophecy about the Stallion who mounts the world "The stallion who mounts the world will burn no cities now. His khalasar shall trample no nations into dust.", and after would have killed Drogo too, not caring that in the end they would kill her. She also said this after: "The shadows have touched you too, Ser Jorah," she told him. The knight made no reply. Dany turned to the godswife. "You warned me that only death could pay for life. I thought you meant the horse." "No," Mirri Maz Duur said. "That was a lie you told yourself. You knew the price." From that what I get is that she would try and get rid of the baby. As I said I understand her, but I also understand Daenerys who said straight up, I don't want your screams, you taught me that, only death can pay for life. She was dreaming about the eggs and the pyre. At least this is what I get from the things Mirri was saying. Glad you liked the vide tho❤️!

Exactly that! All that, most critiques about Dany have a load of double standards and at some point becomes more funny than frustrating (at least for me😂). Glad you like the videos ❤️

Glad you like it!

The thing with King's Landing is that Cersei and JonCon have al the foreshadowing on their side. Cersei is compared to Aerys all the time and all the storyline of Jon is that if he was like Tiwyn he would have burnes the Stony Sept and Rhaegar would be alive. Plus, there is wildfire all over the city. If there is one theory that I am am almost certain I am in is that Dany will not be involved at all with this. Daenerys or Tyrion burning KL, both popular theories, is something that doesn't make sense timewise. If Dany is involved with mass burning would be Volantis and the Reach where Euron is wrecking havok. He has ship through the Mander after all and Tarlys supporting a woman is honestly not possible. There I can see Daenerys burning. Thanks for watching, glad you liked it💓

@@CompanyOfTheCat Wow, thanks for noticing me! Love your content! About the burning of King's Landing I think the timeline will be the following: Young Griff receives support from the Reach and Dorne so he manages to surround the city easily and forces Cersei to surrender, she refuses and decides to burn the city instead but Jaime intervenes and kills her (and likely gets killed right after). With Jaime and Cersei dead, Tyrion is the only person alive that knows about the wildfire deposits, so when fAegon refuses to give up the throne and Dany decides to attack, Tyrion makes Dany trigger the wildfire on purpose (because he is a maniac and will only get worse as the story progress) causing the destruction of the city. This massacre of innocents, altough on accident, will put a heavy toll on Dany's guilt and contribute to her madness. About JonCon, I honestly don't know what exactly he would do beyond freak out when hearing the bells of surrender and maybe when discovering the truth about fAegon. I think his prophecy of "giant stone beast" most likely refers to him starting a greyscale epidemic.

Idk, there isn't enough time for that. Daenerys is still in the Middle of Essos and has to finish with Slaver's Bay and Volantis and Vic wants her to get it done with Euron. For me it sounds way more plausible for Cersei and fAegon to burn KL, with Cersei actually winning. Whatever happened from there and after is kinda irrelevant, bc the long night is way more important, after all this is a fantasy series. Dany and the rest of the crew do not have enought time to gather the dothraki, finish the Slaver's Bay campaign, go to Volantis like Moqorro wants and all the rest. Daenerys' storyline was always in Essos, I really see her as being kinda irrelevant in the politics in westeros and her main storyline would be about the Others.

I think that Mirri would have killed the baby, but the magic didn't work and Drogo stayed a vegetable because the baby would have been a stillborn either way, it was a lizard baby and I doubt that was Mirri's work. Mirri would have killed the baby, something that she wanted as she said, bc of the prophecy about the Stallion who mounts the world "The stallion who mounts the world will burn no cities now. His khalasar shall trample no nations into dust.", and after would have killed Drogo too, not caring that in the end they would kill her. She also said this after: "The shadows have touched you too, Ser Jorah," she told him. The knight made no reply. Dany turned to the godswife. "You warned me that only death could pay for life. I thought you meant the horse." "No," Mirri Maz Duur said. "That was a lie you told yourself. You knew the price." From that what I get is that she would try and get rid of the baby. As I said I understand her, but I also understand Daenerys who said straight up, I don't want your screams, you taught me that, only death can pay for life. She was dreaming about the eggs and the pyre.

@@CompanyOfTheCat Yeah I see, you have convinced me it was her intent to kill the baby. Still, I stand by what I said, she did absolutely nothing wrong in striking out against her enslaver, never mind if Dany was a "nice" one. And Dany still burned her slave alive for the "crime" of working against her.

@@KuningannaSansa killing a unborn child who hasn't done anything is justified? God this fandom I swear, dany didn't enslave Merri drogo do dany was not the owner drogo was .

Oh brother 🙄

Ok I have a few counter arguments to your first comment. I will try to make it relatively short. (EDIT) I couldn’t make it short after all 🫠 Firstly, about Mirri and “if” she killed baby Rhaego. Because she told Dany that Dany knew deep down the price for Drogo life wouldn’t be the horse, that automatically means that Mirri herself knew her actions wound cause Rhagos death. Also the reason why Mirri killed the baby, as she herself stated, was to prevent who she believed to be “the stallion who mounts the world” from r*aping, killing and slaving just like his father did. Therefore Mirri’s action was justifiable in a, the ends justify the means, kind of way. On the other hand, Dany’s presently innocent child was murdered in her womb by someone who didn’t tell Dany that the price would be the death of her baby and that the result wouldn’t be a true life for Drogo. So Mirri did two wrongs against specifically Dany, however non personal it actually was. It is also important to remember that Dany was a slave child bride and that her “claiming” Mirri to protect her doesn’t retract from the fact that Drogo owns them all. Thus, the reality in that situation was that both former slaves where right in their own ways because both had justifiable reasonings for their actions. Also why Dany chose to kill her by fire wasn’t due to cruelty but pragmatism instead, ie hitting two birds with one stone. This is just one of the many examples of how asoiaf, like real life, is grey instead of a black/white story. So I hope you understand that saying “kept her from becoming the kind of person who burns her own slave alive for disobedience” is not an accurate description of what she actually did or why she did it. Nor does it explain why the burning happened. Secondly, about the crucifixion of the masters if Mereen. If we are being honest, the JUST thing would have been to kill them all either by crucifying or not. The only BAD thing was her only demanding the death of, I think, 164 master as if the others are innocent. And the NAIVE thing was to kill those 164 instead of understanding them to be the weakest thus marking the remaining masters for death instead. This naivety truly showcases what you seem to have forgotten, that Dany is a uneducated and abused 15/16 year old child that is fighting to topple a centuries long system. Her arc in Dance thus is about Dany learning the intricacies of power, leadership and politics while also learning that sometimes destruction is necessary even if it brings a period of destabilisation as a result. You commented “but made no attempt to even check that these people… where even the once responsible”. Do you realise it would have been close to impossible for her to find out who those truly responsible for the crucifixion of the children where? In actuality justice would have been to kill them all, Dany however has a gentle heart and she mistakenly thinks herself cruel by demanding the deaths of the same amount of masters as dead children. But we as the readers are meant to know that mercy was a mistake, both politically but more importantly, morally. This is something Dany is learning throughout the book, that sometimes killing people is the only right thing to do. Again this shows how asoiaf is grey, much like the world, in that sometimes it is necessary to do bad things for the good of all. Lastly, about Dany approving the torture of the wine seller and his daughter. It is true that torture is wrong, what you are forgetting however is that Dany agrees with you on that belief. After her decision to allow the torture we see her regret that several times throughout the book. But it is important to remember that she only decided to allow that after The Sons Of The Harpy had already killed over a dozen innocent freed people as well as Dany’s Unsullid. And to make matters worse one of those dead was Missandei’s brother thus making the killing an even more personal attack against Dany. Furthermore it is highly unlikely that both the wine seller and the daughter where both innocent. That is because it would be extremely difficult to poison someone using wine unsuspiciously without inside help. Whether that help was given freely or was given due to threats can be discussed. This situation therefore is a moral dilemma where, on the one hand, a horrible thing is being done but, on the other hand, it’s being done to prevent the deaths of even more innocent people and to bring those responsible to justice. So I think it is understandable why Dany, who has shown herself to have both the gentleness and the fury of a mother, allows the torture to happen. But it’s also understandable why she later regrets it taking place. This all falls in line with her personality, her character growth and her overall story arc. I believe we as the reader are meant to be able to see the whole picture, to decide if in this particular situation the ends do justify the means. GRRM has with Dany, like his other characters, shown that this world and its people are shades of grey, much like real people are. I hope you understand my comment as the conversational post i mean it to be. You are entitled to your thought and me to mine. But yeah😁🤷‍♀️

Yeah same, I can totally get behind boring chapters, meaning not finding characters that interesting because you find the writing boring. For the life of me, some Tyrion, Sansa, and Jaime chapters are really not for me, thus they are characters that I don't care that much about compared to others. But if we are talking about the moral high ground, let's be honest here Dany has it over most other POVs.

@@CompanyOfTheCat very much so, her and Saint Edmure are the good ones. This series definitely showed me just how easily I just accept a POV characters viewpoint when it isn't obviously delusional

Oh, I agree, but even in the series, I wouldn't consider her mad. She was kinda moony, yes, but it was not Aerion or Aerys kind of thing AT ALL. The only reason I brought it up is because the only thing GRRM has confirmed about HOTD is the concept of dreams and visions, everything else, even though I enjoyed the series, was taking quite a lot of creative liberties.

@@CompanyOfTheCat taking a lot of liberties is such a generous way of describing it. the ages are off, the women are stripped of all agency and the awful men are given more wiggle room. i had no idea that grrm confirmed that helaena was a dreamer, i thought it was just aegon's dream. she's a very passive dreamer in her case, cause the dreamers of her house are usually more active about their visions.

@@eggactly And Helaena wasn't the only one who took liberties. I am ok with making her kinda aloof and moony, bc there were people of the House being like that, now if they were dreamers or not we do not know, but people like Naerys or Rhaegel who was also described as meek. To be fair, unlike other people like Alicent, Helaena wasn't a character we learned a lot about in F&B, apart from being a loved, happy, and pleasant person and after the whole Blood & Cheese situation was depressed, for obvious reasons.

Καλε σταμααατα, κοκκινιζω. Καλα tbh, δε θα καθομουν να φτιαχνω βιντεα για πραγματα που εχουν υποθει ξανα, του λειζι φορ δατ. Αλλα χαιρομαι πολυ που σας αρεσουν φιλτατ@ και περνατε καλα😊

Preach. The whole "Yeah, well the show wasn't good, but they knew the ending" is at this point delusional since GRRM has said that the more he writes the more different it is and the extra characters alone as well as the extra storyline will cause a big butterfly effect. Basing the characters on an inaccurate adaptation by people who legit said "we didn't want magic" about a fantasy show, it's weird.

We don't know exactly what is their position with Daenerys, but we can easily assume they would not have any issue if not actually teaming with her if needed. Braavos had always very decent relationships with the Targaryens in Westeros (only when they stolen eggs situation happened there were small mentions that were quickly resolved) even when they had dragons. They also were ok with Arianne and Viserys getting betrothed there. Considering that the main issue Dany has is slavery and one of the people she really would have an issue with is obviously Illyrio who not only is a slaver but is also actively trying to betray her and the free city of Pentos where her first comment is: *They were slaves, a gift from one of the magister's many Dothraki friends. There was no slavery in the free city of Pentos. Nonetheless, they were slaves.* And how Braavos for over two centuries had issues and wars against Pentos fairly often, so they could stop slavery and slave trading in the city, easily I can see them making an agreement with Daenerys. Even more, since they already try to support people who will repay the Westerosi debt to the Iron Bank.

Then join in the fight that will give you the right to be free!

I very much agree with you about Stannis. Don’t get the hype around him. Also, he does make shadow babies with Melisandre which is HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE! Yes, I get it’s symbolism for the Night’s king, leader of the Others. From a symbolic perspective i like it and understand it. From a human perspective it’s SCARY! 😂

FACTS FACTS FACTS So well spoken in just a few words! I believe even GRRM has commented on how Stannis and Dany have so many parralels.

Stannis is something like a twisted mirror of Daenerys - the amount of parallels these two characters have is uncanny. Neither were expected to rule, both believe in a strong sense of justice, both are extremely duty driven, both rise others up from “lesser” stations to advise them, both have a big fire motif, both are praised as Azor Ahai, and both have a strong link to Dragonstone etc. They follies of each other.

So did Jon lol, who specifically killed someone bc they did not listen to him. Dany on the other side said, yeap I am gonna kill you, but it's not your screams I want, plus she killed her unborn child. If we are gonna have these standards let's have them for everyone in the series. Stannis, Jon and Dany are evil, confirmed.and obviously our main villain Tyrion who killed a crying 18 year old and thinking of killing and raping his sister. And raped a girl in Essos, and I can continue with many other crap he did.

@@CompanyOfTheCat Mirri was a slave who was raped, and had her community destroyed by the Dothraki. Janos was an oathbreaker. How are they remotely comparable. Dany knew the price for reviving Drogo.

No, she didn't, I have answered the same quotes times and times again (they are in the pinned comments), and it is obvious she didn't and Mirri knew. And Dany was a fourteen years old child (a kid that was raped every day repeatedly and thought about killing herself), pregnant and scared to shit because the power in the Kalassar was shifting, they tried to kill her even before Mirri healed Drogo. We do not have any other mother in the series that she has to apologize for killing the person that killed her child. Plus, Dany is a slave bride herself, she is closer to a concubine than a wife, GRRM himself has said in and out of the books that she was sold off in marriage, so with Drogo gone she wouldn't have much different fait from Mirri after she stopped the rapings. Same for the other women like Eroeh, we saw what happened. Btw, for Janos, Jon is the traitor since he is breaking the rules of the watch, so he considers Jon an oathbreaker. Dany killed Mirri, and I don't say it is great let's do that, bc it isn't, but let's not shift what actually happened, bc it was not a revenge kill and it doesn't indicate anything about her character. Almost all the other 5 main characters have done worse and no one is batting an eyelash, or saying that it was justifiable. At least we agree that with these standards Tyrion and Stannis are evil.

Mirri like many others did something wrong for the right reasons, and as I said I understand her, but I also understand Dany. That being said put your tinfoil hat on I have a theory 😂 I believe that Mirri would have killed the baby, but the magic didn't work because the baby would have been a stillborn either way, it was a lizard baby and that I doubt was Mirri's work. Mirri would have killed the baby, something that she wanted as she said, bc of the prophecy about the Stallion who mounts the world, and after would have killed Drogo too, not caring that in the end they would kill her. Tin foil hat off!

Mirri’s crime is not being sad for her owner even though her owner thinks she’s been being really nice to her.

@@CompanyOfTheCat I see where you’re coming from, I just read that conversation as Mirri telling Daenerys that she doesn’t feel bad for her, and that honesty things worked out for the best for everyone except her.

No worries, glad you liked the vid!

I do think daenerys is “mad.” I think she has been since the end of book one. But only in the sense that her mental health is non existent. She’s easily the character with the highest amount of sustained trauma across all periods of her development, with Rickon being the only one in any position to grow into the title. And that sustained abuse is also imbedding the idea that she’s a god among mortals and one of the most special and important person in the world. Then she gets away from the abuse and the magical powers-that-be start confirming to her that she is that important. I don’t think that recipe ends in a good place. But I do think she has noble character. I’m expecting tragedy, not villainy.

I understand that, but personally, I like both Daenerys & Stannis, I see their flaws and I still like their characters and in a war, even the best people do bad stuff, sad, but also a fact. This is the whole commentary of George in these novels (all of them, until the end, would have done some serious shit for sure, minus only maybe Brienne, who is the only classic fantasy character, the gallant knight). And about Mirri, my answer is in the video, she was 14 scared to death, and with whatever other plan things would have gone to shit even faster and harder. Now, as far as she should or shouldn't kill the masters, there isn't a correct answer, personally considering slavery is involved and not just war, she should have killed way more and/or seized the majority of their property. The whole kids would be mad in the future, will always be a problem with whatever decision, except if she just didn't do anything (which no, they were slavers, and Dany was a former slave bride), but we are talking about slavers not just lords in Westeros. And the whole "Did she crucify the correct people?" is kinda irrelevant imo, sorry they were slavers I don't care how good or bad they were. I think that people see things very black & white and specifically in a revolution doesn't work well as a mindset. Daenerys realized that she brought chaos in these cities, she said to Missandei and to other people who were former slaves and all of them gave the same answer, but freedom as well. From this whole paragraph, I get that you didn't want Dany in the series (since you would want her with the dosh Khaleen) so idk what else to say for this case, personally, I have the same problem with Tyrion, I really do not like the guy at all. Daenerys will not burn KL and I'm 50/50 if she will be there, if burning occur I believe it would be on the Reach, bc Euron. I agree that Dany will have a weird reputation after it depending on the area, like the rest of the Azor Ahai figures and of course, the mythical Azor Ahai who in some places was a hero (in the place close to the area with the demons from the east btw, Asshai and in others was not a hero, Yi-Ti), Jon after his resurrection and the fact that passed wildings from the wall (bonus if she has a relationship with Dany), would have people that would consider him a bad guy. The only person that would have the best reputation imo will be Bran indeed (Sansa & Arya would do immoral things 100% in the future)

@@CompanyOfTheCat Actually even I can admit if she would have been with the Dosh Khaleen, there would not be a Story to tell. ^^ I just think and that was what I wanted to say, but was not able to, that GRRM IMO is not very consistent with her Character, I mean she does all this looking and observing in Astapor but doesn't do something similar in Meereen when it is essential for her Survival that she kills the more dangerous People. If Arya had killed Tywin in Harrenhal instead of these other people, maybe the Red Wedding would have played out differently. Still would have happened, just differently. I know she never meets Tywin in the Books like she did in the Show, but he is there and she regrets that she didn't tell Jaquen his name. And especially with Daenerys and the Way she grew up, I think it is not very consistent in terms of her character if she does one thing in one city but does a totally different thing in the last one. In terms of Jon, I don't see him having a Relationship with Daenerys, not after the People she is attracted to are the polar opposite of Jon. Yes, he will be different after his resurrection in the Books, but Lady Stoneheart became more vengeful, and Beric Dondarrion became more dutiful in terms of he tried to defeat the Mountain and his Men instead of simply going home and finding a new maybe Peaceful purpose, so one of their Key-Features was heightened and more prominent after their Resurrection so that most likely will happen to Jon. He was always the silent brooding type with Identy-Issues and Daddy-Issues, Daenerys likes Colourful Party animals who know how to celebrate and enjoy Life and occasionally become aggressive. Like Daario. If anything she will think Jon is boring. Otherwise, I agree Jon will be not the Hero in this Story, he never was IMO, who switches a Baby instead of smuggling it out of the Castle and saving both Babys? And I don't think he needs Daenerys for a bad rep after the War.

"Egg has the truth of it. Aerion's quite the monster. He thinks he's a dragon in human form, you know. That's why he was so wroth at that puppet show." -The Hedge Knight I see them in my dreams, Sam. I see a red star bleeding in the sky. I still remember red. I see their shadows on the snow, hear the crack of leathern wings, feel their hot breath. My brothers dreamed of dragons too, and the dreams killed them, every one. - A Feast for Crows, Chapter 26, Samwell III. Aerys meant to have the greatest funeral pyre of them all. Though if truth be told, I do not believe he truly expected to die. Like Aerion Brightfire before him, Aerys thought the fire would transform him . . . that he would rise again, reborn as a dragon, and turn all his enemies to ash. -A Storm of Swords - Jaime V For many Targaryens it is heavily hinted that they did have dreams. And I have talked about it more and about the "madness" in my Visenya video about Aegon's Prophecy. Knowing that these dreams and this prophecy exist and put down everything everyone does, it is obvious that they were aware of them and heavily affected them. It is not madness like many people portray it, but it is obvious many of them (mostly men yes, bc they thought it was a prince), get progressively obsessed and start to become unstable.

@@CompanyOfTheCat totally forgot about Aemon, may the seven forgive me. Though to be honest I am not the biggest fan of prophecy when it comes narrative purposes. Aegon, Visenya, or whoever else seeing some vague thing of the future is ok, but having the whole Prince that was promised prophecy being used for events earlier then it was brought up, the woodswitch to Aegon Vor was it Jaehaerys II talking about the special child born from their union, just make the story events lacking, from a writing pov it can be a little lazy or very lazy. Why did the story start? Muh prophecy. How/why is the story continuing? Muh prophecy. Why did the story end the way it ended, despite all actions? Muh prophecy. Obviously I am paraphrasing and just to reiterate have a vague arse vision of something and going "oh maybe I might try something" is different to everyone chasing a prophecy that will eventually come true, regardless if people work for or against it, if the prophecy in question is true or it won't come true if it is false.

That is something that I actually am on the verge of. I really think that many main characters being kids hits harder, is way more effective, and portrays a very sad truth, that children and younger people in general will always face and solve problems previous generations created. That being said it doesn't work in a show, like this one, since it's a completely different thing to write and show these things.

I answered this in another comment as well, but Daenerys begun as a slave in everything but name. George put the scene with the golden collar for a reason and we saw what happened the moment Drogo fell ill, the only thing keeping her alive was the fact Drogo was alive. If Martin didn't want to draw this parallel, then there wasn't a reason for the word "sold" to be in a tilted font every time. The fact that in Westeros people don't call it slave bride, doesn't mean it isn't pretty much slavery, just not on paper. Sadly Dany was a slave bride, and Jeyne Poole is also pretty much a slave bride. And in the first case, our author made the very conscious decision to put her in a golden collar, after the phrase "even Drogo's slaves wear golden collars".

​@@CompanyOfTheCat I would argue that Daenerys was far better off than many of the Westerosi marriages we are aware of. Almost all Westerosi nobles are "sold" into marriage and unless the lord who makes the decisions is nice, they might not have any say in whether they accept or not. Best case, they marry someone nice, find love, and get a good life. Worst case, they marry someone terrible and have no power to do anything about their situation. If Daenerys was a slave bridge, then so were Sansa and Lysa as well. It wasn't just Jeyne Poole. Lyanna would also be the same if she hadn't been "kidnapped". I believe Cersei and Catelyn willingly married Robert and Ned. Cersei's marriage turned sour on her wedding night after the vows had been said. And Catelyn did her duty until she fell in love.

Thank you, I'm tired of people comparing Dany to a slave she was never a slave. She was an impoverished noblewoman, and since they were exiled marriage was the only way for them to have any leverage.

@@viancarobinson4847even in the game a former slave even ask her what does she know about slavery

@@KetilK I am shocked that you sed “daenerys was far better off than many of the Westerosi marriages we are aware of”. First of all any marriage that is made without one of the parties consent, more specifically what is normal in Westeros is slavery. In the Westerosi society however there is some small amount of protections for the slave brides, ie their families and the society around that DON’T deem those women as slaves. However in essos slavery is not just ok in practice but its also legal in name. Thus slave brides don’t get those meagre protections like most of the ladies of Westeros. Dany is an example of one of the worst cases in this time of slavery and we say her contemplating suicide. So i am disturbed by you saying that dany was better of than many ladies in Westeros. It seems that you believe that a crime if it happens long enough make more ok. Yes Sansa and Lysa were sold in all but name. Yes Jayne was sold in all but name and so would Lyanna. If the person didn’t choose nor accept marriage but is forced to non the less that is slavery. The same way if a person doesn’t want to have sex but their partner forces it, that situation is marital rape. How you can say that dany was not a slave is beyond me. She was sold by her brother at 14 to a 30 year old war lord in exchange for his army and you are saying what? That she chose to marry drogo? That her NOT wanting the marriage does NOT mean she was forced to marry? In that case what do you define as being sold and slavery? To go back to the point of whether Dany killing mirri was ok. If you believe a mother has the right to kill the killer of her baby then yes, dany had the right. We also know Mirri killed Rhaego cuz she told dany that “the stallion who would mount the would” wouldn’t do that now. She also told Dany that Dany knew the price for Drogos life wouldn’t have been the horse, so Mirri also knew. Mirris justification of killing Rhaego was however understandable. Mirri wanted to prevent who she that was “the stallion who mounts the world” from being like his father. Also i want to point out that while Mirri did kill Rhaego, his malformations was instead due to him being born in the tent with all that darkness. Proof if this is when Mirri says to Jorah that he was indeed been touched by the darkness. The reason grrm talked about Jorah in that scene and not Rhaego and Dany is because it is obvious they where affected, instead he wanted to confirm that indeed all of them where actually affected. So the darkness passed through dany to gather around Rhaego, thus the touching both. So when Mirri sed that Rhaego was dead for years it was referring to the dark magic. However in a way it was also referring to how Rhaego had to die so that dany could learn the lessen and thus sacrifice Drogo to wake the dragons from stone. Thus it was always mean to be for Rhaego to day, ie we was dead for years. The complexity of that situation is if it’s ok to kill a baby due to the belief that the baby would eventually become a mass murder. And whether a mother can kill her baby’s murderer whatever reason that murderer had. Its not black and white, a notion grrm has sed is not meant to be in his story.

Τι γίνεται παιδια ποσοι ειμαστε? Να το γυρισω στα Ελληνικα;

@@CompanyOfTheCat άκουσα τη προφορά και λέω, νταξει, εδώ είμαστε 😂

Not just good, fantastic someone could say

" Anyone who actually thinks that needs to reconsider their reading level :/" This is sadly true with many events in the series. As I said in the video, I understand Mirri 100%, but let's not shift what happened. Mirri wanted to remove Rhaegho from the equation, she said she knew what exactly would happen. Dany turned to the godswife. "You warned me that only death could pay for life. I thought you meant the horse." "No," Mirri Maz Duur said. "That was a lie you told yourself. You knew the price." "This was no god's work," Dany said coldly. If I look back I am lost. "You cheated me. You murdered my child within me." "The stallion who mounts the world will burn no cities now. His khalasar shall trample no nations into dust." Yes, the baby was a lizard baby and would have died (actually, maybe this is one of the reasons Drogo stayed a vegetable, bc the baby was not in good health, so the lifeforce was not enough to keep him alive), but Mirri is obvious she knew what the sacrifice was, the baby. And she wanted this to since she believed in the prophecy about the stallion. Mirri had serious reasons like Dany and both did what they believed best, but saying that Mirri was clueless is not accurate.

​@@CompanyOfTheCat but she did nothing wrong.

@@theelectricprince8231 She took revange and I understand her, but Dany was a child herself, who was sold to Drogo (argue with GRRM, she uses the word sold all the time) was assaulted every day and wanted a family and this lady killed her unborn child, if you think that it is ok, I guess we disagree on what ok is.

@@CompanyOfTheCat that is not an excuse. We don't excuse the crap Joff does why should Dany be any different?

@@theelectricprince8231 Did they kill the kid inside Joffrey's belly and I missed it? Did Dany do it because he enjoyed torturing Mirrin and I missed it? Apples and oranges. Personally, I understand both their motives, Dany's & Miri's, but you seem to be way too okay with taking revenge on a guy who caused you everything, by killing the baby inside the 14-year-old kid he was assaulting and not him, bc you believe in a prophecy and it is kinda weird, ngl. I am gonna leave it here tbh. I totally understand why both did what they did, I explained it here, and I also explained it in my video, shifting the narrative to make the one or the other the bad guy, doesn't work here, bc both did something bad, for the greater good. Dany knew about the dragons when she woke up and said bring me the eggs and told Mirri I do not want your screams, she herself was in a very bad situation and is addressed both inside the novels and by the author himself, thus why I put always so many quotes even if I do not read them out loud in my videos. Mirri didn't treat the women and Mirri as slaves, even Mirri said that you don't ask a slave, you tell her, but Dany didn't do it. Dany was desperate, and afraid, and was only sensing the eggs, people tried to kill her, killed the other women she tried to protect only to spite her, and yes she also had the right to be mad at Mirri for the kill of her kid, but she wasn't her thoughts do not indicate any malice because she herself was completely out of it, because of the bloodless, the fever and the prophetic dreams.

I'm sorryyyy (even thoi idk for what exactly, I'm guessing the fact that I like Dany)😂

Seriously dude Cenghis Khan? 😂 That's hilarious. Cenghis was a ruthless conqueror not a liberator of slaves. Where did you get that comparison from?

You did not read a single one of POVs did you? 😂

@@ladyvimto5546 Thoughtful refutation.

@@HariKrishnan-kx1is Genghis Khan revolutionized the social order of the times, in the same way that liberating slaves would/did. Dany is evolving to display the same ruthlessness.

@@dbrandow Sure but I doubt anyone worshiped Cenghis Khan as a liberator or a savior. They were scared shitless of him. I doubt anyone wanted the Khan to invade their cities. Whereas a significant part of Volantis is waiting for Dany to liberate them.

Genuine question, did you read the books?

GRRM comments on that in and out of the books. Unlike weddings where we see two people using it as a connection, meaning they continue after the wedding having ties and benefiting both sides (most of the time), Show Viserys-Alisent for example, here it's commented over and over again that Viserys sold (one-time thing) Dany to Drogo for an army that would most likely return to Essos after the taking of the Iron throne. Meaning it was a transaction between Viserys and Drogo, Daenery was a glorified slave. And I think it's very much obvious that Martin wanted to pass it as that, the moment he put the whole scene with the bath, the salves, and the golden collar, right before the meeting with Drogo. It is very sad, but even by Westerosi standards, Dany's situation is much worse, we have way fewer instances where this clear one-time transaction takes place and in the current timeline even fewer, with the only person in a similar horrendous position, being Jeyne Poole.

@@CompanyOfTheCat I respectfully disagree. Jeyne Poole was being passed off as someone else and given to a psycho. Most noble weddings are transactional. For alliances, titles and wealth. GRRM also stated that he meant for Dany and Drogo to be a love story. Dany was Drogo's only wife. She was given the title Khaleesi. The women are abused. Drogo never abused Dany. Yes, their inital s3xual encunters were rape, by todays standards, but not by the standards of the middle ages. Generally speaking he treated her faily well. Slave brides are often a little better than bed slaves with housekeeping duties. Dany was not that. I am NOT saying that she wasn't tramatized or that it was ok for her to be married off to a much older man at such a young age. This marriage did mess her up. But it's definetly not a slave marriage.

@@seastar4194 Its clear in Book I that Dany and Viserys are not "most nobles" they have no wealth, no land and aren't exactly "free" to go wherever since Varys spies follow them. The Dorthraki aren't like most nobles either their entire custom is to recieve "gifts" and give "gifts" in return, so a transaction. Dany did not want to marry him so there was no consent, Viserys abused her verbally and physically so their dynamic was already off, besides that Viserys even told her he would let Khal drogo's entire khalasar fuck her for an army. This is not a normal medival wedding for alliances it's a transaction because they do not have wealth or land. So in cases where the "human" is used as a selling point. That makes it a slave, she has no free, she cant refuse and she can't escape because the one person she was linked to traded her. Call a spade a spade. Did she want to marry him. No. Could she afford to pay him off instead? No. Could she give him a different kind of gift in return. No. The dorthraki never gave Viserys his army because they probably deemed the protection and status as khaleesi was enough because she was just a young maiden girl that got traded.

@@Antisocialpessimist You are not telling me anything i don't already know. But NO noble born women get to chose their spouse. And if a husband wants his wife he will rape her. No consent neeed. Dany is not special in any respect to other Westerosi women. How about Gregor Clegane's wife? He killed her. He for sure raped her. Was she a slave wife? No, because a slave wife is a particular thing. They didn't have slave wives in the middle ages. They had them in ancient Greece.Think of the Ironborn's Salt wives. They are legal wives. They are not concubines. A slave wife is a 2nd wife who is taken strictly to satisfy the needs of her husband while spending a long time away from home. Her husband must support her, but their children have no legal rights. And they are below the legal wife. Dany is not a slave wife. She held slaves her self. A slave wife would never be given the title of Khaleesi.

Some people are slavers. The fact that slavery is in someone's culture doesn't mean it's cool, every culture in our world practiced slavery at some point so what we shouldn't try to stop it, bc it was a part of the culture. Cultures are changing and moving forward that is the point of progress. I am tired of people say "It's part of their culture" & "It was the era", yeah we know it, in case people don't get it the books are commentary, about how people should try to become better and not stick to stupid traditions that many times are harming and oppressing part of the community just because. There are people (in the comments and in general) who don't like the writing in her chapters, there are people who are bored with the politics and frankly I'm ok with that, but this comment is just sad and backing up slavery, bc it someone's culture apparently.

I'm Dutch and her accent sounds Irish or scottish to me 😂 her english is very good.