I started searching for an alternative for polysorbate and just came across your video. I'm so excited to try sci powder. Planning to make my family members and friends happy as well. Thank You
Very enlightening, I was stuck as I didn't have polysorbate 80 but your video showed me great alternatives which fortunately I have in stock. Thank you, looking forward to more videos from you.
I am a senior cosmetic chemist. You need to understand that there are SUSTAINABLE PALM SOURCES AVAILABLE and you are not killing all palms or endangering them if you buy your P60 from sources that make it from SUSTAINABLE PALM FARMS. Too many people make general assumptions that are simply untrue. I've formulated many global brands and please ask if the supplier gets their P-60 from a sustainable source. That's all you need to do. Please don't assume that ALL ARE ENDANGERED. P-60 is also not dangerous to use either. check your sources of information.
Hi Rebecca, we are discussing the use of polysorbate 80 in this video, not polysorbate 60 which is a different (albeit similar ingredient). We have not stated or claimed that P 80 is dangerous and we personally believe it to be a safe ingredient for use in bath products, so not sure why your comment implies that we have said it is dangerous. In regards to the use of sustainable palm, I have spent a huge amount of time researching this subject and learning about RSPO palm and I am afraid that I personally believe it is not as sustainable as it is made to be. In my opinion there is still too much corruption and too many loopholes in the RSPO industry to be able to be certain that all palm certified as sustainable really is. No doubt some is and that's great, but do I believe it all is? Not really, no. If the RSPO industry became better regulated and it could be guaranteed that all palm oil marked as RSPO really was then I would be happy to buy and use it, but all the hours of research I have done on this topic do suggest that although the industry is improving it still has a way to go yet. It is also not a case of "killing or endangering all palms" it is to do with the deforestation that is caused when areas are cleared to plant palms and the loss of habitat for wild animals, specifically orangutans. If you believe that the reason some people wish to avoid palm is because it is killing or endangering palm trees then you need to re check your facts as this is not the issue at all.
Due to it's unique properties, *I use Turkey Red Oil as an emulsifier for bath bombs.* It's also known as _Sulfated Castor Oil._ I use this in place of polysorbate 80. I don't know if this would be an option for you in the UK.
I’m glad I found this video, I had no idea that polysorbate 80 wasn’t palm oil free. I am vegan & but palm oil free soap maker. I really appreciate it 😊
There's a UK company that sells Primesurf P80-PF, which is palm-free polysorbate 80. For colouring, the soap kitchen sells coated mica. Can you tell me the difference between using polysorbate 80 or emulsifying wax nf in bath melts?
We purchased bespoke assessments which means we are in full control of the ingredients and what is and isn't included. They are more expensive than Flexi assessments (which is what it sounds like you may have) but it means we have control over what ingredients are used and are not tied to using predefined ingredients.
I've tested SCS powder in bath bombs in place of polysorbate 80 and I loved it. Although it took a while longer for the whole bomb to dissolve, I enjoyed the fizzing and foam it produced. No greasy film layer either.
You can get a palm free ecocert decyl glucoside which woul aloow you to up your oil content a little, totally agree with you on the water soluble dyes. Much better than mica in a bath bomb.
@@elaineb2733 the decyl glucoside wil come with a recommended usage rate if you make sure to get the documents that come with it. Usually a free download at point of purchase.
Hello Anne. Thank you for such informative videos, I really enjoy them, I am wanting to make bath bombs do you have a video on how and where to start with bath bombs?
Everything you use has some kind of toxin in it. I don't care what the manufacturers tell you. No one has died from using P80 and it has been around for many years.
@@baguazhang2 If it's "not good for health", than it isn't good period. Don't know where you people are getting your info, but it's probably from the same sources that make money off of products that use it. There are MANY studies showing it can be extremely harmful, both internally and externally. Everyone thought talcum powder was safe because it was used for "decades", now we have class action lawsuits from millions of women with cervical cancer because of it.
I appreciate videos like this talking about Polysorbates. Polysorbate 20 caused my daughter to need a pancreas transplant. Horrible stuff showing up everywhere
@@TheSussexHandmadeSoapCompany It is and it's getting worse. It's nearly impossible to eat out anywhere nor pick up any prepared foods from the grocery store.
Thanks for the information and what is so bad with palm oil? I’m new to soap making and can you share a recipe with me. I’m not a chemist so I have no clue where to start with a bath bomb without polysorbate 80? Please.
Exactly, everyone worried about sustainability when it's actually a very harmful and TOXIC ingredient. There are studies showing it is actually harmful if absorbed through the skin and COUNTLESS studies show how it is actually very damaging to cells. Both internally and externally, I would not put this junk in anything I planned to put on or in my body. Regardless of sustainability.
So what is the recommended natural ingredient to actually replace poylsorbate 80? Is it turkey red oil or is there another synthetic free alternative? It seems like turkey red oil is also not actually synthetic free, so what are some synthetic free emulsifier options?
Not sure where to obtain a palm free version of the polysorbates but have you considered PEG40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil. It performs the same function as the polysorbates as an emulsifier/solubilizer of oils. Probably better than the polysorbates honestly and its about the same price. I did google UK suppliers and found 2: The Soap Kitchen has it in stock and Mystic Moments has it on both their website and their Amazon site. Hope that helps. I am also a big fan of SCI but it is considerably more expensive. There are other liquid emulsifiers that also act as solubilizers in the same way the polysorbates do but they are harder to source in the UK than here in the US and I wanted to suggest something that is as cost effective and that you can obtain easily in the UK.
Thank you so much for such a detailed reply and such a good suggestion! I will certainly check out the PEG40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil when I get a spot of free time! :-)
What other liquid emulsifiers have u found? My research found that poly 80 can be carcinogenic, so I don’t want to use it. I’ve looked into using sunflower lecithin, but still looking at where I can get it in Australia. X x I haven’t ever made bath bombs before so I’m wanting to try to make them with products that are fairly natural and not carcinogenic x. X
Oh dear… so this is the reason why you didn’t use it? 🫣 and you’re not going to mention that it is actually forbidden in cosmetics that have contact with mucosa. I guess one cannot avoid it when bathing. I’m more and more scared of you natural cosmetics makers… Terrified of your lack of knowledge in general 🫣
