You stand correct. Plus ill add over priced. The maker of this video commented on every single comment except yours. Hmmm... Wonder why?. These youtube "watch experts" are all full of shit. I stopped watching them. Cant say nothing bad or the truth about rolex!. You will be hanged an judged!. Its all nonsense.
I want to agree with you so bad. My problem is if I ever need to liquidate my assets I won’t get anything near my initial cost. Grand seiko doesn’t hold its value, at least yet
Yes I feel the same way Bubba I want to agree so bad with Dario but cannot afford to spend 5500 on a GS and see it depreciate 35%. Besides a Rolex Explorer, Submariner or Seadweller are considered classics. A Spring Drive GS is a great addition to any collection plus they are fun to have. But the questions is if you could only own one luxury watch under 9K (Retail) which one will it be. The answer most likely will be Rolex Explorer or Submariner. And let's not forget Omega Speedster or Aquaterra. However without talking availability Rolex is #1 Omega #2 GS Close 3rd. Own all if you can.
Damn that is a Grand Toyota Camry!!!... Said no one literally... No one. Same reaction to grand seiko. Because its a seiko. Japanese got the world saying oh what a feeling.. Yes feeling bored of toyotas and seikos.
The thing I like best about GS is how they tend to stick with an overall very clean, elegant design, which allows their amazing dials to take center stage. They aren’t overly flashy or gauche. There’s an understated elegance to them that you can almost miss at first glance, and they need to be examined before you can appreciate how truly impressive they are.
@@WatchCrunchOfficial An honest assessment. What you're getting is more viewing time, which allows you to see planned effects as they become clear. If you visit a Japanese garden you find such planned effects everywhere. The same applies to their architecture. See enough of that and you'll become sensitized to that kind of thing. So, it becomes very important when the underside of one watch hand is reflected on a lower watch hand with no distortion but with less light. The endless ways the hands and indexes reflect light become a source of pleasure, as does the interaction between dial texture, amount of light, and warmth or coldness of that light. These effects are very important to the aesthetic. GS uses certain hands repeatedly because all the effects are understood to the artist-designers. Also, every change in hand design will likely change their weight. The GS movements are optimized for very specific weights of hands. In my view, GS is as much a precision engineering and industrial design company as a watchmaker. That's why a Spring Drive movement can exist in watches actually available to the public. It's not just the movement. For this moment to drive a watch, there must be extreme precision in the functioning of the other components. This watch sips barely any power. Mine was exactly on time over a five-day period, based on an atomic clock.
Both are awesome brands, both can coexist comfortably in a collection. Both make stellar watches. I like to judge each piece separately as all brands can have stars and duds.
wait is there something way more affordable say ur 27 just outta college got an ok job and want to buy just 1 cool all year round great watch up to i guess ... 1k? 2 maybe if its fire fire.. im getting the feeling the minimum for real dopeness seems to be 5 k... or 6k for that cartier watch, any calls for something sleeper 1k 2k mega fire?
"Why we need to STOP comparing Grand Seiko to Rolex" Proceeds to COMPARE GS to Rolex in every aspect. I knew it's a click bait even before clicking the video.
@@WatchCrunchOfficial it’s what detracted me from getting the GS that I sort of want. I want the SBGC221 I saw one at my local dealer and it had a pinned bracelet with no on the fly adjustment. I love the look, the spring drive and the complications of the watch as well as the thought of the accuracy. BUT I work a blue collar job and my wrist swells and shrinks from day to day and activity to activity. I was at the watch dealer and I currently have a submariner I got 2 years ago, I love the watch AND the bracelet so the dealer told me they could order me any DateJust. I couldn’t pass it up. I got me a two tone DateJust, rose gold, chocolate dial, on a jubilee bracelet, I like that even the jubilee bracelet has the quick adjustment to it. I will say I still WANT the SBGC221 but until I stop finding other watches I want a little more, the SBGC221 will have to wait.
I wouldn't describe Grand Seiko as a "new kid on the block." Grand Seiko have been taking the Swiss to the Alpine woodshed for a long time. I think the problem is that we create this conception of Grand Seiko as comparable at all with the watches produced by Rolex (or other Swiss watch companies) in terms of brand image and popularity. The Grand Seikos from the 1960s to 1970s defeated the Swiss watch industry in movement accuracy, case design, and case finishing. But Grand Seiko has never had the brand cache that Swiss watch companies (like Rolex) have had, and that's why we can't compare them......at least not yet! Take popular branding out of the equation and Grand Seiko watches are far superior than ANY watch produced by Rolex.
Yeah I think that could've been articulated better, I mean to say they got some things to fix before they are at Rolex level. Buy they got the craftsmanship nailed
@@WatchCrunchOfficial No worries, and I enjoyed your take on the Grand Seiko vs. Rolex conversation. Grand Seiko do indeed have some critical issues to fix, especially their bracelets. Rolex has some of the best bracelets, but Grand Seiko's bracelets are not what I would consider even close to luxury level.
Absolutely agree that GS can't just add a gmt bezel on their case and called it a sports watch. Gotta try harder on their sport watches which is the mainstream now. Would seriously consider a GS with Spring Drive if that design happen.
Imo the heritage line is where its at. Tbh i bought my SBGA413 over a Dj41 because i wasnt going to play waiting games, and looking back, i dont think I settled, i stepped up. The finish on some of these GS pieces is so much closer to that of Patek or something of that caliber than rolex imo
@@thefreshprinceofbelleairbeach I do not like the heritage case shape and the snowflake feels too big when I tried it on else I might have gotten it. No doubt the GS dial details and finishing is great but there is always a deal breaker for me when I was considering the 3 watches below: 1) Snowflake - case shape, size and bracelet. 2) Skyflake - the power reserve on the dial seems to be darker blue tone when viewed at many angles. 3) SBGY007 - too dressy and only WR 3bar All the above are great watches, its just me that I can't get over the above.
OK. I have the same GS. Beautiful! You cannot compare the two for one major reason. The Rolex is a mass produced robot production line million plus per year fashion watch whereas the GS is a work of artistic endeavour. Some people bring up the bracelet as an excuse for it being better, but that's like saying the tires on a mass produced Ford Focus are nicer than the tires on an individually built Ferrari, so you should buy a Ford Focus. Just my opinion.
Superior watchmaking, yes. But bracelet, sports models design, marketing. All these things they have hiccups with. One day they'll be there with Rolex 👍
@@WatchCrunchOfficial I found the "diver's" Spring Drive watch appealing in photos. Given the increased price of Seikos nowadays, the GS was priced competitively (SBGA463). It's made of titanium (important for repeated dive use) with a black dial. Given that a real dive watch must be designed to withstand huge pressures, this kind of watch is generally heavy. Titanium reduces the weight needed. It's a very GS approach to the problem. And it's not a case of just adding a bezel and calling it a dive watch.
Rolex is King. GS is the Emperor. Cultural Implications applicable. They both have a rich cultural story that beautifully expanded beyond their borders. I wouldn’t compare because they don’t. They are unique and both have weaknesses. But Rolex is King. Even the haters know it.
@@lengue2001 yes it’s no Roger Smith right? I’d agree with you there. But Roger would say there’s no Roger Smith without Rolex…in other words Ferrari today (commercialized or not) doesn’t take away from why Ferrari is Ferrari. In my opinion, there’s a dialogue because Rolex well is Rolex. Especially if someone cannot stand them…it only proves the point more. Personal opinion.
@@ClassicalProtestant I am not a hater, I just say that there are more beautiful and luxurious watches for the same or less for those who know about watches. Ferrari is not an example of your point, I would say a Lexus.
Rolex is highly recognizable not because they create the best or the most beautiful watches, but because they invested a lot in advertisements since the beginning.
*Agreed. The two watches, Rolex and GS, are different beasts. Rolex best compares to Omega, but for prices & availability. GS compares more to JLC, Zenith, Glashütte, PP, VC, AP, UN & IWC except for the Spring Drive movement, which has no comparable alternative.*
Seiko makes watch, Rolex sell watch. Guys buy GS don't care market value, Guys buy Rolex are worried about market value. Guys buy GS don't think when to sell it, Guys buy Rolex constantly worried about when to sell it. Guys buy GS got real class, Guys buy Rolex got bourgeois complex. lol
Owning both I have to say they are completely different beasts. Rolex is a solid watch extremely robust engineering and classic design where GS with its spring drive is pretty much the leading innovator in Horology in the past century. Rolex really has no comparison because you can’t even purchased them these days so it’s a null point to me it’s the best dead brand in the world.
If not dead then definitely off-putting. I was saving up for an Explorer thinking I really wanted one but I can’t give my money to someone who won’t take it. If anything I imagine here recently that Rolex has helped GS sales. I bought two myself this year.
I think the title of this video could have been worded better. It's natural to compare GS to Rolex, as you've demonstrated for over 9 minutes. What I think this video was pushing back on was the notion that GS is the "Rolex of Japan".
Both great but buying a Rolex for about double the standard recommended retail price is not worth it. If I could buy a datejust for retail price that would be great.
I had a watch fanatic get excited when he saw my 413. He didn't know what it was, at first, because he'd not seen the model, but its shimmering and color changes in different light obviously got his attention. He wears a graduation Rolex every day for sentimental reasons and also for its readability during surgery. I showed the same watch to someone who was not in to watches and he just didn't get it. I showed it to a jeweler who carries only a few Swiss lines (mostly selling diamonds), and he said he didn't get into Seikos, but the color was nice. There you have it. Virtually no watch snob would dismiss this watch (the 415 is also superb), but others just don't seem to get it, unless they are given some viewing time. Am I upset? Not really. I'm happy to fly under the radar. But if you are not, this brand is not for you.
I dont' want GS to become like Rolex. I hope they put every resource to development, NOT to branding. I don't care about brand recognition at all. Let the quality and only quality speak for them. Branding thru hype marketing and endorsement are just to fool the masses. Quality is everything, every other thing don't matter at all. In my opinion. Compete only with the highest quality possible with comparable price.
Isn't a lot of this comparison driven by Grand Seiko's own North American marketing efforts? There's a big push for GS to get a bigger slice of the luxury pie since the market for lower and mid-end pieces (where they excelled) is nowhere near as profitable as the luxury segments over the past decade.
OK had to drop this extra in. Let's unpick some of your points. By the way full disclosure I'm a Seiko fan boy. Not necessarily GS though I love it as a brand. 1. History Fact is Seiko predates Rolex, and by the time seiko (as GS) were making award winning movements Rolex was still casing movements from others. I love the way you said "introduced men's wristwatches" made me chuckle because of course no one can claim to have INVENTED men's wristwatches as that's nonsense. Blaise Pascal is rumoured to have worn his watch on his wrist. And indeed men's wristwatches increased in popularity from the mid 19th century when soldiers found it easier. Seikos place in history, with quartz and spring drive on the other hand is assured. 2. Design Another interesting one. Up until probably early 80s most Rolex watches used one case Design.. the oyster case. And yes they did "slap on a bezel" and call it a diver. They also increased water resistance as you need to. There is more Design innovation in the Seiko 5 series than all of Rolex lineup (which even now is essentially 2 case designs). 3. Cache I'm not sure when the proletariat became appropriate arbiters of haute horology. Ask any of your non-watch friends about FP or ALS. Go on 😃
All fair points, but why do we need to STOP comparing them? The reason that people are comparing them IS because they're different beasts. Looking at different perspective, if GS is following Rolex's footpath, in terms of Heritage, Marketing, Demand and Availability, then it'll be always be behind Rolex's shadow. That's why you never hear about Omega watch as a Rolex-killer.
Rolex's design hasn't changed since the last time they came up with the Oyster case. It has been so stagnant for decades. It's an amazing design, but it's the same. Praising them for tiny adjustments to the lugs when they were already great is something I don't understand. I need to see some innovation, some new case shapes, more variety to their dial finishes, more complications, things like that. They don't even bother to try and finish their movements to show them with an exhibition case-back, whereas GS learned to showcase the movement by removing the big print for a couple of years now. Comparing the two brands is inevitable when they have similar price brackets. GS wins hands down if the watch is on a strap. If it's on a bracelet, it'll come down to the bracelet because, if we're being honest, GS's bracelets are crap. The last few releases actually have decent bracelets, but that needs to be all their watches and not just a few before this becomes a non-issue.
I think it’s fair to compare the two companies, in fact everyone does it all the time and while the two brands are very different they’re both luxury watch makers. Is one better than the other? Not really, because that answer will vary from person to person, but Rolex is the most recognized watch brand in the world, so people who are spending thousands on a watch want to know that their money is being well spent, and how better to know this than by buying a brand that everyone knows. Design wise, and the culture of the two companies, are like night and day, and for me, I’d like to think that my watch is an extension of my personality, and to that effect I picture myself to be elegant, but humble and low-key. Needless to say, you can imagine which brand I prefer.
The main reason you can't compare Grand Seiko (or any other brand) with Rolex is that you can't buy Rolex's, at least brand new ones. So it's really a moot topic
My sports watch days are in the past. Want simple well built on my wrist. There is always room for improvement. That goes for the person as well as the watch he chooses to put on his wrist. Be mindful!
Once again your tone, perfect analogies and straightforward attention to detail in your videos are spot on. Appreciate your taking the balanced approach in laying out the point you are making on why Grand Seiko is not and never will be Rolex. Other than both being significant watch companies they are different animals in how they maneuver in the market. Well done!
Rolex is pretty much for lifestyle / wealth flex / achievement flex . In terms of movement and quality GS all day . In terms of style and presentation its rolex .
I feel your interpretation of GS's history is unfair. Grand Seiko is Seiko at its best. It isn’t a company that was cooked up in the 60's. You circle back to say that GS has to carry Seiko's baggage in their sport watch designs. Why? They are either their own company started in the '60s or they are a better Seiko. If they are dragging Seiko's baggage they must be related and therefore they share their history.
As long as Grand Seiko keeps making a Date-Just that’s better than Rolex’s in every way and nothing else worth owning in my opinion, I’m going to keep comparing Grand Seiko to Rolex.
You might have also contrasted the manufacturing process, i.e. Rolex giant automated factory vs. much more hand work by Grand Seiko. And which is more exclusive? People look at a Rolex to verify that it is a Rolex. They already know what it looks like. No one says "Oh, look at that." like they do when they see the Spring Drive sweep second hand and then the beautiful dial.
Compare the finishing level in both .. you will be shocked with how GS have done amazing job for little details .. rolex finishing is ok . GS finishing can compete with the 3 big guys. I think GS failed in marketing whereas Rolex succeeded in becoming number 1 watch for the working class.
Well, Rolex sells 1.2 million watches a year, GS approx. 70 thousand. Rolex is a brand everyone knows, it's another luxury brand that most people buy because they.. can afford it and like to show it off - same people will buy products from Hermes, LV etc for the same reason. GS is pretty much for watch enthusiasts and only those who resonate with GS vision of watchmaking. It's a small and, well, exclusive niche. I love GS and frankly, I have never seen another one on someone eases wrist! And yes, noone knows what GS is - 90% of people don't care about watches anyway.
The bulk of the money you spend on a Grand Seiko goes towards the watch, the bulk of the money you spend on a Rolex goes towards marketing and maintaining the image.
Fully agree. This message needs to resonate better in the watch community. GS themselves are not even focused on comparing themselves to Rolex, so why should the consumers. GS is fully focused on the artisanal aspect of watchmaking and valorizing craftmanship. If that's what you appreciate as a consumer - GS has most likely pulled you in.
I have both a Explorer 2 as well as a Snowflake. They're completely different, must not be compared. Wearing the Explorer 2 is like driving my 911 Ruf Rt12. Wearing the Snowflake is like driving my Audi R8 V10. Before seeing your video, comparing the two, trying to figure out which is better never occurred to me. They're so very different from each other, and ought to be simply enjoyed accordingly.
GS bracelets are of superb quality. I have never needed any adjustment... GS sits on wrist so well and stable, super comfortable. Rolex no comment... past...
I love Grand Seiko because it's a natural filter for 'strange admirers' Those that know about watches, stay and talk... the perfect kind. Those that realise it isnt a Rolex, walk away... 😂
No love for Seiko Kinetic movement. A self winding mechanism charges a capacitor that drives a quartz oscillator....for 250$. The capacitor stores energy instead of a mainspring; a week or more of reserve. Capacitor lasts 8-10 years; I suggest that a Spring Drive should be serviced more often.Any thoughts?
Finishing and technology Grand Seiko rules. I wouldn't buy a Rolex, because the hype around that brand and most people who buy Rolex do it for the flex.
The reason we compare things is to discover the ways in which they resemble each other and the ways in which they don't. To say Rolex and GS are too different to compare is silly. They both show the time of day. They both do this by presenting an analog of how we describe and measure time: things going around other things. They are both worn on the wrist. They have those basic characteristics in common, so the ways in which they're different are relatively far less significant. You say we should stop making this comparison, then you proceed to make it, in great detail.
My understanding is that men started wearing wrist watches as a result of their experience in the trenches in WWI. I’m not sure Rolex had anything to do with it.
Grand Seiko is definitely on the cusp of positioning itself as a true luxury brand. It already has far more class than Rolex. It will hopefully focus on dials and hands while differentiating itself from Seiko.
Rolex being better than GS just because more people have heard of it is not an argument. Most people in the world know Mcdonalds, but almost every burger place in every town has better food than McD.
"Sore, chocolate eating losers" 😂 The work that is obviously put into every aspect of a GS movement, dial and hands is just lovely to see. Value for money might seem a weird thing in a luxury watch, particularly in the times we live in, but for me I'd buy a GS over any similarly priced rival. And quite a few more costly ones.
Watches is also cultural as much as it is individual, for example I am Asiatic African and, personally I would prefer to place my papers with the Japanese watch makers before any Swiss watch company, In the other hand, I know Caucasoid (Europeens) would prefer Swiss watches before any Japanese watches, this is the reality of the watch world, the other watch purchase fell on the choice of the individual liking the actual watch and, have put their cultural feelings on the side, if you think Europeens like placing their papers and investments toward the Japanese, well you have not read world history yet, you have failed to read Decline Of The West by Oswald Spengler volumes 1 and 2, I urge my peeps to read this book. I love watches, watches they are not a investments, least not for me, Gold Silver Platinum stacking is, investing means gambling, I like my papers into precious Metals, the deDollarazation has begun a long time ago, wear a watch, invest in Gold which never fold.
To a Vietnam Veteran as myself, calling the Turtle/ Captain Willard watch among other Seiko watches LUGAGE is totally improper. When you have lived life with a real history, you will know why Seiko or GS honors history. By the way, Rolex power system can NOT even come close.
Comparing a GS with a Rolex is like comparing BMW with a Maybach with GS being Maybach. I don't care about Rolex and its history if GS makes better and more superior watches. To be honest GS beats Rolex in every category in my opinion, the design, the finishing, the movement, everything. The only thing I dont like about GS is their dive watches, they are pretty much more refined SKX/Turtle. But the snowflake...the snowflake 😍😍
GS is a small production (50k per year, maybe less), mostly hand-made, hand-assembled, hand-polished and hand-inspected pieces of art for connoisseurs AND it follows the Japanese way of perceiving nature and time (it is a bit of story-telling, but it is very philosophical way of story telling and that in itself deserves kudos). Rolex is a machined and mass-produced (1000k per year) watch. Ubiquitous. They are for "investors", and, because of waiting lists, for people who want to brag about their importance because they can "get one" at AD very fast or for those who can brag that after waiting in queue for years (I know one who waited 5 years !!! for one) while kissing AD salesman/woman ass they finally got one. It is hilarious and absolutely ridiculous. Go to Rolex in Zurich, groups of badly dressed Chinese served by Chinese saleswomen, and Rolex sales staff often behaves like they are something special and not merely sales staff. Yeah, do not compare Rolex with GS. I rather get an Omega, super-strong brand, great watches, available and priced well. Sales people are better than Rolex AD staff, as well. And no need to call Seiko "baggage". Seiko is a company with its own history and its own achievements, it almost single-handedly killed Swiss watch industry, which was saved by the genius of Nicolas Hayek. Calling Seiko "baggage" is disrespectful. Moreover, Seiko watches look just fine, are mass-produced, like Rolex, but do not cost a kidney, and are well-loved. Every collector has a Seiko or three. And your SBGA415 is beautiful.
if rolex doesn't manufacture artificial shortage and gate keeping with there ADs, rolex would be in the exact same price braclet with GS, omega etc. i don't see anything wrong with comparing watches within the same price bracket. people who are looking at $5k - $10k watches aren't wealthy enough to buy everything they see like fp journe customers. so they do need to compare and decide which one(s) to get.
@@dtownmoto @Obihwan Kenobi go to any watch forum and ask people who have at least one 5-10k watch "how many 10k watches do you have/how many can you afford". i guarantee you at least half of them will answer you "1, plus a few low-hundreds to low-thousands beaters". i personally have a tudor north flag and a bunch of micro brand watches. i can't afford 1 watch more without thinning my collection. i know a lot of people irl in the same boat. money is for sure an issue for the 99% and comparisons are absolutely needed.
@@Ballacha I have few and i am not the only one. But this was not the point. I was just trying to explain, that even people who can afford only one 5K watch should consider that they are wealthier than most other human beings in the world. So you should appreciate it. Many watchcollector see one guy with an 100k patek and thinks that they are kinda poor, even they own bunch of omega rolex GS JLC etc. By the way great choice with the northflag.
@@dtownmoto thanks mate. I for one love the power reserve indicator on the dial. That’s also partially why I love GS. So yeah I’d watch the shit out of comparison videos and reviews to help me determine my next watch (likely a GS), after I make up my mind to sell the Tudor.
I think stating Grand Seiko is from the 80's is highly disingenuous as a slight when comparing to the Rolex. Seiko made their first wristwatch in 1924. Rolex made their first wristwatch in 1929? What was Rolex doing starting in 1905? Seiko.... such history, such cache. What an eye roll when you determine how companies make watches today. But, if I had to guess I'd say more people are involved making a Grand Seiko than a Rolex. You know, more of that handmade craftsman stuff.
I checked out watchcrunch, and while the UI was very slick, I still think it needs work. Most of the posts I saw were silly polls like "Do you prefer bracelets or straps" while the rest were just wrist shots. What I'd really like to see is deeper conversations about watches and horology.
Titles the video *Why we need to STOP comparing GS to Rolex* , then proceeds to compare brand history, design philosophy, polishing, dial, case shape, then finally says: no let's not compare them. As a owner of both multiple Rolex and GS, I say: why compare at all, just buy the next one you want on your wrist. Unless, of course, you get a call from Rolex AD for an SS sport model.
When will they (and other makers) STOP scribbling some nonsense logo on the exhibition caseback, which obscures the movement?! argh! talk about dropping the ball on the goal line.
Why does everybody keep talking about Rolex anyway ? In terms of innovation, finishing and actually looking after the wider portion of their fans they are also-rans. They are the most over-hyped and heavily over-rated watches in the world. Brands like Omega, JLC, Zenith, GO and GS are much more exciting imo. I wish people would wake up and smell the coffee.
Dropped in to say title is dumb as hell. GS wants to sell at luxury prices, create limited pieces, and only sell at certain dealers thus creating a demand for certain models. They want to be seen as a luxury brand, right? They're going to be compared to the likes of Rolex PERIOD. I'm not even going to watch this video. I don't care about the craftsmanship, the horology, Seiko as a brand being the "collector's" brand. The price and exclusivity they set puts them up against brands like Omega, JLC, and Rolex, to which GS imo ranks last in the fact that most of their models don't really hold value. When you're spending big money on watch pieces, it isn't just for the love of the brand or craftsmanship. Value is a major factor. These are heirlooms, for some investment pieces to rise or simply hold near value, and prized possessions/trophies. GS creates beautiful pieces, but they are luxury watches at the end of the day. They are not their own genre or type, they are simply expensive hunks of metal that help tell the time of day. Let's not get lost in the philosophical aspect of collecting luxury watches or tell ourselves lies to make one brand seem more competitive(or not so competitive?) than the others, ESPECIALLY when mentioning Rolex. When all the marketing and mumbo jumbo is stripped away, all that will forever be left is the dollar amount to the name. Edit: And at the end of the day. Collect what you want and like. Just be honest with yourselves about why you're purchasing any of the luxury brands. Don't worry about what others will say or think. Luxury watches are not for everyone and everyone in the community does not agree with one another. I, for one, look forward to owning a GS quartz model some day. Yes, one of their quartz watches LOL.
People only compare Grand Seiko to Rolex, not the other way around. I wonder why? Team GS will say it’s because true watch lovers like GS and Rolex is only bought by fanboys, team Rolex will say it’s because Rolex are better. Then team GS mention zaratsu polishing… team Rolex then point out that zaratsu is just the type of German made machine GS use and the argument continues…
I’d never wear a rolex. It’s too flashy. Too recognizable. Too bragging. And that nasty date magnifier destroys the sleek look. The GS on the other hand is a sleeper. You own it for yourself and your own joy. People who know it, recognizes and acknowledges it. The ones who don’t care or know, won’t care or know. Thats how it should be
The problem with Grand Seiko is the name. People associate the Seiko name with beater watches featuring quirky proportions and questionable quality control. They should have done like what some car manufacturers did: change the name to something entirely different. If I ever bought one, I see myself forever explaining that "It's not a Seiko, it's a Grand Seiko".
"Those sore, chocolate-eating losers..." brilliant!! I really appreciate your perspective. Honest and well thought out. Keep it up!! I, too, am a spring drive fan - on my wish list for sure. (Along with a bunch of alpenhorn honking brands!)
Rolex .. has long and fake waitlists, empty dealer windows and cost several times their retail value (and cost several times as much as a grand Seiko). I don’t think people currently buying Rolex’s are doing it for the love of a 25k tool watch, it’s for bought speculative value or with the primary goal of impressing strangers and showing off. So the types of buyers are completely different. Not many rappers wear GS.
I don't understand why any watch collector feels the need to run down any brand that someone else likes. I agree with you. Buy the watch because you like. It's not a competition.
But do you need a Grand Seiko to go into the woods. I just purchased the Seiko green dial Alpinist. It is a beautiful watch. Some of the dials I have seen on the cheaper Champagne Seiko watches could give the Grand Seiko a run for it’s money for a beautiful dial! The Grand Seiko has a better movement. But if you could upgrade the movement of the Champagne watch is that all that seperate the two watches. Seiko has a very delicate balance between It’s level of watches!
Yes Grand Seiko is still aSeiko. That’s the problem. Lovely watches and as good as most Swiss brands. However, will never have the kudos of something like Rolex or the value retention. With all the technology and innovation they can’t even make a decent bracelet. Sorry I will pass.
Not the main point of the video, but the comparison between each brands' dials reminded me of the difference between english gardens and japanese gardens. English gardens are literally a natural forest whereas Japanese gardens are more symbolic.
We shouldn't compare Grand Seiko to Rolex... Then compared Grand Seiko to Rolex for the rest of the video. Also, Rolex didn't put watches on people's wrist the way did as it was impractical to carry a pocket watch in the trenches, so soldiers put them on straps. As they returned home it became the male standard. 🙄
I would say Grand Seiko absolutely crushes Rolex going by the evidence provided by you. Yes the bracelets can improve but even Rolex fanboys would secretly admit that Spring Drive is the most significant advancement in watch technology in recent memory. Leave it to Kevin O Leary to popularise GS, he is doing a wonderful job of it
Hey, which leather strap is featured in this video? I think it pairs beautifully with the 415. Never mind, did my own research since the last time I watched.
Phrases like “flowing curves are sublime” on the Rolex does nothing to help things - motivational cognition at its finest. Another example of subjectively biased descriptive prose based on absolutely nothing but the ruminations of the blind and the gullible.
If you see someone wearing a Rolex , you have no idea if that person knows anything about watches. If you see someone wearing a grand seiko, its another story.
