Geetsly's CIS! My favorite faction to date. Dooku's motives are extremely relatable, Grevious is brutal and if you go into more depth his story is really depressing, and the other various figureheads of the CIS are pretty interesting to watch when they interact with each other. Alto Stratus may very well be the most badass CIS leader next to Grevious. I also like the huge similarities between the Rebel and CIS motives but the drastic differences between their respective leaders. But the Rebellion and CIS infantry were basicly just starving poor people who wanted to overthrow a corrupt government explioting them.
Argument-wise I think the confederacy had some very valid points and should have been allowed to leave. I mean the only reason the sith could use them was the war that the republic forced. I mean really until very late in the confederacy just wanted out and to be left alone the republic started the aggression of the war.
Geetsly's you think during the war guys like wat Tambor and others thought "aw jeez, why am I such a cheap ****?" After they see their droids fail? Lol
I have a good feeling that Clone Wars will be in the next Battlefront. EA has been listening to the BF community, responding out on Twitter and the forums, doing everything (within reason) they can to make the game better. The first game was made in about a year with only Dice working on it, the next game will have 2 years with Dice, Motive, and Criterion working on it!
So was Dooku lying when he berated Grievous for taking out his anger on his subordinate droids? He specifically said 'those battle droids are expensive'.
I love the CIS so much. Despite the idiot B1 Battle Droids. They are basicly the Rebellion with far more badass leaders and generals (Aside from the TCW villans 😧) I wish TCW did them like the comics did. More Relatable, Violent, Grim rebellion with Legitimate motives and well written and deep villans. TCW kinda made it where the CIS was so blatantly stupid and evil that nobody could ever relate to them. Oh yea...And the fact that the CIS kicked the Republic's ass until the final year of the war is much wanted by me...And most likely only me because everybody likes the clones better XD
Lenny AKA Ark Bumpy Roose J.R Actually the clone wars made the droids while dumb super effective as most of the clones death in the clone wars came from droids, there was also skilled leaders introduced like admiral trench who was really cool. But personally.........Clones are the best..
acutaly what i liked is that episode in the clone wars that showed the senate and asoka met the child of a fallen C.I.S soldier killed by clones, i liked that since it showed the acutaly goverment folk and not emps pawns or a mega corp rep.
It was a popular movement to bring a more representative and empathetic government to the outer rim! Simply funded by the corporations in order to accomplish their goals- and inevitably bring much more trade and income to the people of the outer rim.
You said that the separatists created the droid army in response to the clones but weren't they using droids way before the clones were issued into battle?
There also wasn't a CIS in Episode 1. there was only the Trade Federation using droids, as they had done for centuries. After the CIS really formed they happily sold battalion after battalion of droids to the rebelling systems.
The trade federation in The Phantom menace used OOM droids. Red were security droids, yellow were command droids, blue were pilot droids, and unmarked ones were supposedly general labor, even though they were used as infantry. In the Clone Wars, the Separatists were largely using B1 battle droids, which looked identical to the OOM droids. According to Legends, the old droids were still being produced in small numbers. The strange thing is I can't see much difference the B1 battle droids were from their identical looking precursors, in fact I see less difference in function between an unmarked general purpose OOM droid and a B1 battle droid (both of which look identical) than between an OOM command droid (marked in yellow) and an OOM security droid, so why aren't the B1 droid design just considered a continuation of the OOM line? In fact, before I heard about the OOM series, I had assumed the droids in The Phantom menace were B1 battle droids because they acted the same! So can someone tell me the major "upgrade" the B1 battle droid had that caused them to be favored over the seemingly identical OOMs? Particularly when there is more variation among the OOM droids than the between OOM and B1s.
The Battle Droids existed before the clone wars. The reason for their "dumb" behaviour is because, the B1 droids didnt make the decisions for them self as much. They were controlled by central mainframes. If something not planned occured, the Droids had to query the mainframe for data on how to procced. That created a delay.
Lenny AKA Ark Bumpy Roose J.R I know but imagine if they all became ARC troopers, they all survived the whole clone wars and if that in any way would've changed what would've happened with Fives you know? Sometimes I put too much thought in these lol
TheScruffyGamer Honestly I like the thought too. I was just making a joke. But I suppose them *all* becoming Canon Arc Troopers would be...Both odd and interesting.
I loved that Battlefront II missions where you played as 501st Stormtroopers and fought CIS Remnants. SO cool to see stormtroopers VS battle droids, TIE Fighters VS Vulture Droids, Star Destroyers VS Providence Class Carrier/Destroyer. *SO* cool to have a clash of Eras
but quality is less easily replaced. Eventually in a large war/series of conlficts with almost continuous fighting quality loses from quantity if there is a large enough gap. The roman empire fell, because it couldn't keep replacing the soldiers it lost. Great quality, but eventually not enough quality men (core roman citizens) or time/money for quality training.
The Republic would've won because both Dooku and Grievous were killed. The CIS also lost a large part of it's fleet at the battle of Coruscant and the Republic saw a influx of new troops prior to the battle.
lkj53 Dooku's demise was Sidious doing, perhaps the battle of Coruscant would have swayed the CIS way if it was not from Sidious' manipulation.
How bout that they took children from their families and made them live a life where attachments were discouraged and your goal is to defend the Republic, not because it's the right thing to do, but cause it's your duty.
A real world example of this strategy is the mass produced inferior armored and armed US Sherman tank vs the superior armored and armed German King Tiger tank during World War II, it's only flaw upon taking fire was the unarmored gas tank at the back. The Sherman had speed however, Tiger was slow...
if we gonna use WW2 comparisons: The Wehrmacht vs The Red Army (at least in the first few years) most Soviet Soldiers had little more than a few weeks of the most basic of basic combat training and were equipped with old WW1 rifles, while the Germans were Blitzkrieging them with MG34s.
@@xenon9030 Misconception - the German army in WW2 wasn't particularly well equipped. They had some advanced designs but not the production capacity to produce enough of them. Most soldiers carried rifles and walked, with supplies on horse-drawn carts. The concept of "blitzkreig" was largely a mutually beneficial propoganda fabrication to justify how France could fall in just six weeks - flatters both sides to say "Germans had new exciting modern tactics" rather than "the Allied commanders fell for a fairly straightforward feint".
Joseph Gallant Think of it like a Zerg Rush in Starcraft. Just send a large amount of troops that greatly outnumber the enemy so it guarantees the death of the soldier.
Your chronology makes no sense. The B1s were being built for use by the Trade Federation, and being mass-produced on Geonosis, long before the first appearance of the Clone army at the Battle of Geonosis.
In episode 2 count dookou himself said "how could they come up with an army so quickly" suggesting he and everyone else didn't know about the clones until they attacked. Yet the droid army was a response to the clone army? Hmmmm... idk what to make of it lol
AR_119 The clone army was already in production years before the events of the prequels. in canon Jedi master Sifo-Dyas had a vision of the separatist and the droid army so went to the council about it but they wrote it off and so went to Kamino and told them that he was under the authority of the Senate and the Jedi order to have a army cloned, this caught the attention of Sidious and Doku who arranged to have Sifo killed while on a mission and took over the clone army and had order 66 implemented in a control chip. So Doku knew about the army, he thought that once Palpatine had gained control and Anakin was turned and the fake war ended, He would have a seat in the new empire.
Okay so from what I know(I am no Star Wars expert here)wouldn't the droids win?Just sheer numbers they would be victorious. By using logic and common sense.The clones would take years to train and produce.This means paying for food, equipment and other resources a clone would consume.Meaning it would take longer and cost more to produce the clones. While droids should take a short amount of time and be fairly cheap.Since you just need the material, power and ability to transport them.Making droids more efficient since you can store more of them in a area then you can clones. Just doing a short match up.Clones need food, water, more space, better transport and more.While droids need power and transport(not counting ammo, weapons and so on since both sides need these).Also droids could be melted down and re-used.
The CIS were victorious in MANY more battles than the Republic. They usually did win. However, clones were the better defenders, in fact most of the planets that clones defended resulted in victories. A famous example is the battle on Kamino, I have a video on it if you're curious
I have already seen that video.I have been watching a lot of your videos and other star wars stuff.I still feel the CIS should have won.In a short term war?I feel the clones would win hands down as the better training and higher quality would be benefit them very much. However a long term war going into years should see the CIS have a big advantage.Since the clones take longer to produce and train it would just be the clones dwindling numbers while the droid numbers would maintain or even grow assuming the CIS can fund it.
Why were battle droids poor? Why do so many forces around the world still use the AK-47 when there are much better rifles around? Why do so many people use bic pens that are quite unreliable and are prone to not working in the cold? Why are so many AA batteries actually quite inefficient? The answers to all these questions are the same: because they're cheap and can be mass produced easily.
The creation of the battle droids can't alone be due to the clone army, becuse they are not aware of them before episode 2 and you already see battle droids in episode 1.. but having said that, we all know that Sidious really controlled both sides of the fight..
Can someone explain why it's the programming that costs that much? Sure I get that the more advanced programming costs more to develop the first time but why can't they just copy and paste it into the others later?
Geetsly! I have a video request! Please inform us how clones and stormtroopers used the bathroom and what (if there are any) their bathrooms looked like!
I wonder what would happen if the CIS made their Army primarily out of commandos droids. Would their armor and acrobatics be able to overwhelm the repunbil forces in some major battles?
on another note, why would you have your droids SPEAK? assuming that the Confederacy had much more advanced technology than we do today( even though it takes place in the past technically), then they obviously had wifi of some sort. And if they had bandwidth connections, why not just communicate with other droids over those, and have the vocabulator set aside for human-droid interfaces?
all their robots are incredibly incompetent. as far as I can tell, the shots from rifles on both sides never seemed to drop, or only very slightly, and the shots moved incredibly quickly. even cheap machines, equipped with weapons that have no drop, should be deadly effective on a battlefield. a droid should have been able to immediately identify it's target through the sight of a gun and fire, nailing the shots with near 100% accuracy. EDIT: Grammar are hard
Think of the massive casualties the clones would face if the separatists went quality over quantity, old but gold, and started manufacturing HK units as their main front-line soldier. According to the legends continuity, the separatists did find the remains of HK-47 near the end of the Clone Wars and used the advanced technology to make their own line of HK units that never saw combat. But what if they had manufactured them from the beginning?
I'm guessing they found out about the clones before the phantom menace, as there were droids around at that time, or were they for mass fighting such as the battle of naboo
If I can make a suggestion. You should make a video based on your favorite clone armor paint designs. Ex) best color scheme, patterns, etc. love the videos btw.
You have very well researched videos, i love the way you speak with such passion on things you enjoy. Although this is off topic, just know you're doing a great job and i'm real keen for more video's to come!
There is a reason the T-series tactical droids were so "fat" too much interior computer parts. So they aren't the best soldier. They do have the ability to use a standard droid blaster though.
i think it might of been smart of the Republic to use a army that is made up of 50% clones and with the other half being made up of enlisted non clones and republic battle driods. see you have that mix between quality and quantity.
Very good points, but i'd like to add one more theorie to it. After watching all of the movies + rebels + clone wars, I would also consider that CIS was maybe even afraid of a highly intellegent army, because we have seen many story arcs where droids ( for example R2 D2 or that imperial Droid who befriends Chopper ) disobeyed orders and outsmarted humans. In fact many of the advanced droids were programmed to learn on their own and so managed to get independend and very smart... So if the CIS had a very large army full of independet droids, there would have been high risks: like the most powerfull army turns against their owners or the droids do what they want and stop following orders correctly / they side with the enemy
If they had the commando battle droid A.I. then why didn't they but the commando A.I. in the normal battle droid "body" the only cost of programming is making it, then you can replicate it for free...
Here's one: Why didn't clones use the magical item called cover? You know the enemy outnumber you and therefor outgun you why would you stand in the open in an upright position trading fire?
Programming is a silly reason why they'd cost less. Once you've developed the software, it can be put in any system with very little extra cost. The major reason here would be the expensive hardware that's needed for the extra processing power required for better software to actually function.
Droids were dumb because someone took "soulless army" comment to his films like an offence and decided to make a "soul" for droids... Like, I can understand the basic programing that doesn't have even "take cover" order in it. I can even understand a droid that can't catch some basic orders/numbers told to him. But only if that droid is not programed to mimic human emotions, while being defective in every other way. And not just any emotions. The most annoying of emotions.
B1s are very effective in open field battle lines and surprise overwhelming assaults. Commando droids are better at infiltration and smaller more important missions
This gave me a new respect for the droids. Granted, I think over time the Clones would win the war, quantity has proven effective in real life. In WWII the panzer tanks were far superior to the American Shermans, the Sherman tanks could overwhelm them.
Geetsly's, Looking at all of the feed back to your question (Who do you sympathize with?) it is really cool to see the trend which was also true of the galaxy at the time of the war. The Confederacy of Independent Systems, or as most people of the galaxy knew it: The Separatist Movement, truly was a _popular_* movement. The CIS accepted and fought alongside thousands of volunteers and grassroots uprisings to offer a government that cared and represented the people of the outer rim. If I were born in the Star Wars galaxy I would have absolutely signed up, immediately, to help the cause in any way I could.
from a strategic point of view it makes very good sense. it would have allowed the cis to attack in multiple areas while another force holds down the republic army, even should the pinning force be destroyed it would still lead to overall gains as long as the other forces could hold or if what was taken crippled the republic effort
You'd think that a civilisation that had mastered interstellar space travel would have mastered basic wifi signals, meaning that droids ought to be able to identify and communicate with one another from a distance and non-verbally and would never be fooled by clones pretending to be droids.
What if the Republic won the war, how would the clone army be phased out. Would they be used until they retired? Or would the Republic go a similar route as the empire and phase the clones out for regular humans and humanoid citizens that wanted to join, maybe even conscript an army?
also logistics were different. they didnt need food and water, and they never supplied repair parts for them, since they werent worth that effort. that by far must be the biggest advantage they had over the clone army, who need food, water, medical supplies and armor.
Is the cost of the clones just their "inception" and armor and weapons? I'd imagine that a living clone army has considerably higher costs in maintenance than a droid army as well, and I'm curious o the numbers past that (like how much a single clone set the Republic back per day of deployment versus how much a B1 Battle Droid set the CIS back per day of deployment.)
In legends practically every major conflict was a direct fight between the Jedi and the Sith. However the Clone wars was more of a galactic civil war and the Jedi and Sith did not fight each other as openly as they had before.
The commando drones shown at 2:25 remind me of the geth from Mass Effect. Is that a sign of a potential crossover between SW and ME? Half life 3 confirmed???
The thing about programming is that when you have written a program once you can copy it as many times as you want. When you are making 100 000 000 000 of something it might have been worth writing just slightly better code _once_ and then install it in _all_ the units. Christ, they clearly _had_ better AI already, since smarter droids do exist. How much could it cost to just port this code to the B1s? With 100 000 000 000 produced I'm sure it would have been worth it.
Another theory is that because they were actually smart in the battle of theed, because they were all commanded by the lukerhulk. And after it was destroyed, the realised the dependence they had created so they switched it.
Wait when did the separatists learn about the clones? It was a secret almost until the war started, but in the Phantom Menace they were using B1 droids. Granted they were fighting the only thing stupider than they were but still.
well, the easy answer is, to have comic relife and plot armor. the dumbnes is basically a excuse for the heroes to escape from dire situations witout much hassel.
I must argue one point, the Droids seen in Episode 1 and 2 seemed more intelligent, not running from fights, taking cover and communicating, it is definitely seen in episode 1. Not to mention that the clone army wasn't known if by the separatist until the first strike at Genosis where they were building a droid army, where the first waves of droids more intelligent than the next ones they made through out the war?
If I remember right this was actually fully explained in the clone wars, the droids were dumb or at least not that smart because making them more intelligent would have been to expensive, doing things this way allowed them to overwhelm the republics soldiers with droids that were smart enough to carry out the simple tasks they were given while being commanded by hyper intelligent droids which gave them a bit of lee way to create specialized units like the commando droids. Basically quantity over quality as one clone trooper was worth several battle droids and it would take at least that many to take one out. Plus considering that the normal droids could be taken out in one shot and were not really that agile making them really intelligent wouldn't have been the best idea because you would have to create more agile, powerful and armored bodies so that those droids who were hyper intelligent wouldn't die that easily.
This doesn't seem to add up to me. You only need one set of good programming to copy to all the droids and basic sight and sound sensors would be enough.
In the films they were obviously made to give the heroes something to destroy in masses. They make absolutely no sense from the perspective of a rational being building a fighting force. The simple AI is just not belivable since other more advanced droids existed and copying code has almost no cost. When looking at their overall design, if you had the option to double the production cost and make them more agile and effective but only get half as many it would be a no brainer decision.
Dooku (RIP Sir Cristopher Lee), CIS (droids especially), and Grievous (at least in the 2D cartoon) were what made the sequels era great.Say what you will about Lucas this era was amazing
can you make a video on if the clones new about order 66 before it happened? when palpatine said "the time has come, execute order 66" it sounded as if clones and palpatine was planning on it the whole time?!!!!!
That was the one thing that urked me, droids tended to outnumber clones a 100 to 1 BUT because droids were so overly rediculous and ludicrously dumb and bad 1 clone could kill something like 2 or 3 hundred droids before going down himself, even with the numbers clones massively out competed the droid army to the point of it being a joke
